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00:28
what's up, people
hi @Samuel
yo @Ted, how's it going?
decently, thanks, and you?
pretty good. I've been learning to use sage for a graph theory project and it's really satisfying
I know nothing about Sage and not much more about graph theory, so you're ahead of me !
00:37
well I'm sure you've got me beat on a hundred other things, to be fair
I wasn't complaining that you were ahead of me :)
@Ted Got a question for you about UGA. In the last few years were you aware of any confrontation among students or between students and the administration over issues like sexual assault, due process, etc?
or perhaps also trigger warnings, students objecting to material being presented in class
I haven't heard much over the past years, @Kevin. I know there were a few issues with a few particular faculty members.
@Ted Okay, thanks. It was always an issue at Duke given the Lacrosse case and its been a big thing at a lot of places recently. But I never know if the fact that I never hear about it here at Tech is a Tech thing or a Georgia thing or maybe Im just ignorant
We've definitely had a few faculty members who have been censured or forced to resign.
00:45
Over things they said? Or some relationship they had with a student?
Re goodnight @MikeM
Yes and sometimes yes.
You'll never know the real reason I retired, will you, @Kevin? :D
@Ted I didn't think there was one reason. I figured you just figured that it was time to be done.
Well, you'll never know if I was forced out for inappropriate behavior ... will you? :D
A friend of mine who taught German was. They arrested him cross-dressing and hiring a male prostitute. Never should have been fired for that. But this is (was) Georgia.
Well, @Kevin, I went and kibitzed at today's duplicate bridge game. I'll play Saturday night. Very scary trying to remember all this stuff after 20 years.
morning
Not to mention the Walter case at MIT @KevinDriscoll
Hi pal
00:54
@Ted This is what I can't understand about the movement on the left to empower campus administrators to enforce 'civility' and 'decency' among what the students and faculty say and do. These are the same groups that have done this kind of terrible shit in the past like fire someone for their sexual orientation. But in any case if you WERE forced out, that probably raises my opinion of you.
Theres veyr little intersection between the things deans will fire you over and things that I dislike
evening chat
That's my rant for the evening.
Anyway @Ted I feel your pain. I can't remember most things for 6 months, let alone 20 years.
Walter Lewin . . . goodness. I felt so, so betrayed when I heard -- I was a fan. Goes to show how you shouldn't put people on pedestals or something like that.
Allo, @Rem.
01:01
Allo,Soham
@SohamChowdhury i think that philosophy is wise
No one is infallible.
Yeah.
Although that wasn't exactly "not being infallible", don't you think?
Anyway, what are you working on, @Stan?
And you, @Rem? No school today?
@SohamChowdhury Currently, I am trying to outline a set of core axiomatic principles for how to make music
Hbu?
@Ted: Is the reason why physicists (AFAIK) represent tensors by matrices the fact that any $t\in V\otimes V^*$ is a linear map $V\to V$?
@StanShunpike Going to school. But algebra, some linear algebra and differential forms, more generally.
@SohamChowdhury I am on summer break :D differential forms are great
I found a nice book on them
01:08
@Kevin: I was totally kidding with regard to me. Although some right-wing religious parents have forbidden their kids to take classes from me (and others have because my courses are too demanding and my grades too low), no students have ever complained. Nor should they. I do not condone sexual harassment.
Has Ted blocked me?
Hi @Stan — you really do need my book in its entirety ;)
Ask him for me, will you, @Stan?
@SohamChowdhury well said, he let down a whole generation :(
01:09
Why would he have blocked you? He takes time to respond, given the bit where he's human. :)
@TedShifrin which one? Maybe i can get it used :D
I was busy typing, Soham. On my iPad it's slow and I make tons of errors.
@MikeMiller LOL
Oh, oops, sorry.
Hahhahaha I like how Ted read all of that. Very funny
01:12
Don't tell him I called him human. I don't want to be smacked.
I dunno about physicists, but $V\otimes V^* \cong \text{Hom}(V,V)$.
I don't know what tensors are if htey aren't like amtricies except with more dimensions
The one you have 2 chapters of, @Stan. Chapter 8 is diff forms.
Don't know yet if I'm visiting Chicago next spring, @Stan.
01:16
@dREaM I solved the problem, but turns out Eric beat me to the punch
was offline
Hi anon
It seems I may need ot retire soon as well. I'm typing up some notes that I wrote out not 2 months ago. And every few lines I have to stop and spend several hours figuring out why what I said back then was true is in fact true
hi
@TedShifrin what??!?!? You're not changing your mind! I will have to visit Cali then lol
I am not waiting several years since you forecast you only have a few left. :P hahaha
01:32
Hello. Are there stats guys in the house? I just have a basic "where to go" question
Well, hello
Hello
I might be able to help you, but I warn you of my lack of intelligence
There happens to also be a statistics stack exchange
Yeah, but the chat's dead, lol
01:41
@TedShifrin What exactly does "distance" mean on a semi-Riemannian manifold?
I mean, I will post my question there
but I wondered if I could get a quicker answer here
@StanShunpike Depends on what you mean, its not the same as distance in the Euclidian sense
anyway, here's my question: I am asked to see if temperature changes affect a certain parameter of enzymes in a drug
so, I am given data
however, the data is broken down into two variables: temperature, and time
there are 3 different times for each temperature values, and 3 different temperature values
so we have 9 points
$3^2$ is $9$
...yeah...
01:45
haha sorry, just verbalizing my internal monologue
...lol, anyway, to see if temperature has a statistically significant affect on the final parameter (suppose the parameter description is unknown, but I have numbers for it- we could call it "y")
what analysis (or analyses) would you recommend I run on the data set?
actually, for each of the 9 different temperature and time combinations, there are 4 different observations, so I guess there would be 36 points
Ya I have no idea sorry
mmk, thanks
@StanShunpike Just like in the Riemannian case, you minimize over lengths of (broken) geodesics between two points. But the way to define length is with the pseudometric, and the lack of positive-definiteness means it's entirely possible for a given geodesic to have negative length, and when minimizing to get $-\infty$.
At least, that's roughly true. I know nothing about pseudo-Riemannian manifolds.
I know lots about 1 pseudo-riemannian manifold, minkowski space and nothing about anything else
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I guess maybe I know a little about Schwarzschild black holes
01:57
@KevinDriscoll that stuff is super cool
:D
02:11
@MikeMiller But a pseudometric then had no correspondence with our usual intuitivr notion of "length" or "distance" then, right?
Not to me.
02:36
I feel like there should be a map $\pi_1(X)\to\Bbb \{\pm1\}$ where a loop is sent to $\pm1$ depending on whether dragging a local orientation around it preserves or reverses it when getting back to the original point. In fact seems like it should be a natural transformation to the constant functor $\Bbb Z/2\Bbb Z$ with identity map. Is this right, and does it have a name?
if $X$ is a manifold, this homomorphism is the one corresponding to the orientation double cover $\tilde X \to X$.
no idea about functoriality
03:07
@Stan, @MikeM: I think distance is only defined when $\sqrt{\sum g_ij v_iv_j}$ makes sense along the paths.
@ted Is there an obvious example of a manifold for which that sum wouldn't make sense?
Lorentz space, if you take a path inside the lightcone, then the quantity inside is negative. (If I don't have it backwards.)
depends on the signature you choose
Well, whatever signature gives me tangent vectors with negative square length
03:13
or pursuant @MikeM
so, Mike, have you gotten guidance from your prof about what you should be doing in recitations?
East Coast metric is +++-, West Coast is ---+
so east coast would make time-like intervals (such as those inside the light-cone) negative
that's what I had in mind
right, i just had to look up the jargon to remind myself
@TedShifrin thanks, fixed
smacks MikeM
03:20
nice thing about east coast is that doing a wick rotation in time (i.e. analytic continuation to imaginary time) gives the usual euclidean metric in four dimensions
is that like burning the candle at both ends, @Semiclassic?
@TedShifrin only when you're a grad student doing QFT homework
Hola yall
Hows my southerness today @TedShifrin ? Lol
Hi pal :-)
03:26
pretty bad, forgot an apostrophe
Lolol I hate that apostrophe
I put it in and then removed it
Why is it needed?
Whats that?
03:43
@TedShifrin Nah all you're doing is taking a problem that as-posed looks ill-defined in Minkowski space and then doing the 'equivalent' Euclidian space calculation. Then analtyically continuing hte result and hoping to God that it works
Oh Wick rotation.... how I barely understand why you work
@Stan you need an apostrophe. Ya'll.
its even in the wrong place since its supposed to stand for you all
But I feel like it doesnt stand for anything anymore
It just is yall
You're right
Lol people just say yall. They arent thinking "oh, let me shorten this from you all to yall"
Indeed and the usage reflects that. For example, people inflect it to make it possessive 'yalls' party was great!'
Exactly!
I never even noticed that
Wow
03:47
Linguistics is really cool. It points out a lot of things about your language you may never have noticed.
03:58
@KevinDriscoll you seem really into a variety of subjects :D
@Stan Yea I spend a non-trivial amount of time studying things outside my primary discipline.
@KevinDriscoll as do I, sometimes an absurd amount but whatevs
Like making music
i guess it depends what u consider being a discipline to be
I definitely consider myself a serious composer, but I almost certainly wont make money from it
@Stan Yea I meant discipline generally. Some of my favorites are philosophy, political philosophy, philosophy of science, linguistics, game design, and constitutional law.
@KevinDriscoll thats cool. My dad teaches law. He does copyright, antitrust, secure transactions, bankruptcy
My grandfather loves constitutional law
Ya to me it feels like the 'rock and roll' of law. Its the thing a lot of people would like to do but not everyone can. But maybe thats just my bias.
leo
leo
04:15
I think I settled it
04:30
@10k users: Does this page give you a timeout error? It's supposed to be the question close stats from the moderator tools...
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think they might all be asleep
Well, I'm excited.
I just met the chair of my university's mathematics department and he wants to get me started on a research project as soon as possible.
Only problem is that his research preference seems to be numerical analysis, which I have no background in at all.
@Fargle What year are you?
04:39
About to be third-year.
Do you consider yourself a fast learner?
Well int hat case, do you have a background in ANYTHING?
@skull, not to toot my own horn or anything, but toot toot toot. :D I'm also taking numerical and probability this semester.
@Kevin, I've got background in algebra, topology, differential equations (theory), and a bit of self-study here and there otherwise.
The metric space content of analysis, at least, before integration/differentiation, for example. Or the diff geo I've been doing from Ted's notes.
04:43
@Fargle I don't know anything about what you've done, so maybe I'm speaking totally out of turn and am 100% wrong, but I hope you find that when you start doing research level work you know essentially nothing plus epsilon
that's why its so exciting!
There's far to much to learn in 1 lifetime
@KevinDriscoll I've realized that simply by looking at papers.
Yea, the gap between even graduate textbooks and the literature is already quite large. I've described it as a 'chasm' before.
I've noticed that myself. Munkres is strong, but every topology paper I've ever seen goes above and beyond.
(Granting, of course, that I haven't seen very many.)
a late night howdy to @robjohn
by teh way
thanks @whoever starred my question to 10k users. :)
04:48
@KevinDriscoll good evening
perhaps not so late night for you, if I remember right
@KevinDriscoll going on to 10 PM
05:02
hi.. should math.stackexchange.com/questions/1393993/… have a puzzle tag too?
I am never sure when puzzle should be used
05:21
@daOnlyBG Asked my friend about your question. He says you need a Two-way ANOVA
05:49
@KevinDriscoll yeah, that's what I was thinking. Thanks for the confirmation!
@Lembik me neither, i have used it to post problems that i invented and knew the answer to but received some objections math.stackexchange.com/questions/68701/…
but IMO that is a valid use of this site
I think its explicitly noted as a possible notice of the site
use I mean
06:41
@anon Are you there?
yeah
The book I am reading commutative algebra from says, at the very beginning, that the similarity between $\Bbb Z$ and $k[X]$ is a central point in commutative algebra. I am not sure I am convinced, as they never talk about a serious analogy other than how the ideals look like.
I should point out that I know the F_1 business, and don't understand all of it.
nice, thanks. i'm having a look.
okay. so I guess the whole point is that $\Bbb Z$ is the ring of functions on $\mathsf{Spec} \Bbb Z$ while $\Bbb F_q[X]$ is the ring of functions on the affine line $\Bbb A_{\Bbb F_q}^1$. Guess I can live with that.
07:13
@DanBrumleve any suggestions for other tags for my question?
07:32
number-theory
@KevinDriscoll What do you mean?
 
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08:43
Hey@Balarka
What have you been thinking today?
I'm doing commutative algebra.
Oh. I had a question. Why do we care about lattices of subgroups of a group@Balarka
It's just a good depiction of the subgroup structure of the group.
08:46
Used anywhere?
You can't expect something as basic as that to be used in proving big results.
Don't study something for it's applications sake.
No no. I was thinking can it be used to depict something which is very important for the study of algebra . Eg Galois stuff
It just gives you a good depiction of how the group looks like. You guess by looking at the subgroup lattices of quotient groups that the first isomorphism theorem holds.
@Balarka also I had this question. They have not proved that a given lattice of subgroup of a group is the only one for it . I mean how you prove that it is the lattice for that group
@Rememberme As I said, it's very basic, you can't expect it to be used to prove huge stuff. But it's useful visualizing things. For example, the fundamental theorem of galois theory can be "seen" by looking at the lattice structure of Galois groups and field extensions.
@Rememberme huh? I don't understand the question.
Given a group G, there is only one lattice of subgroups for it. Isomorphic groups have isomorphic subgroup structure.
08:53
How do you prove that there is only one lattice of subgroups for it
"one lattice of subgroups" doesn't make sense. Given a fixed group G, the inclusion between subgroups don't jump around. That'd be a silly thing to ask.
Do you mean unique upto isomorphism?
Yes, yes . I was just not able to formulate that
Okay I gotta go
@Rememberme Then you should be able to prove it.
If $f : G \to G'$ is an isomorphism, and $H \leq N$ in $G$ then show that $f(H) \leq f(N)$ in $G'$.
 
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10:44
Hi @DanielFischer
@DanielFischer I just want to check some reasoning with you. Will type it up now.
I want to confirm in more detail my reasoning for why $L^{2}(\sigma_{S}) = \ell^{2}(S)$ where $S := \{ 1,...,n \}$. I will type it now.
10:58
@DanielFischer Let $\Sigma$ be the sigma algebra of all subsets of $S$. All functions from $S$ to $\mathbb{R}$ are thus measurable. Let $\zeta_{S}$ denote the measurable set $\Sigma$ endowed with the counting measure on it. Consider any function $$f: \zeta_{S} \to \mathbb{R}$$ This can be considered a simple function $$f(x) = \sum\limits_{k=1}^{n}\alpha_{k}1_{A_k}(x)~~~~\text{where }~A_{1},...,A_{n}~~\text{denotes the singletons of}~ S.$$

For any $x \in \zeta_{S}$ we have that $$f(x) = \sum\limits_{k=1}^{n}\alpha_{k}1_{A_{k}}(x) = \alpha_{k}~~~\text{for some }k = \{1,...,n\}$$
@DanielFischer It might not be the most concise or best proof but I just want to know if the idea is correct.
@Moses You should have mentioned that you're considering a finite $S$ at the start. Without that, the "can be considered a simple function" made me go "Uh, no" at first.
@DanielFischer Okay yeah of course. I will state what $S$ is at the start.
@DanielFischer Is the proof fine other than that?
@Moses It's not particularly elegant, but ...
@DanielFischer :) I'm not interested in elegance just 'mostly correct' at this stage. How much would you give it out of 100?
11:14
It has no problems with "mostly correct" ;)
@DanielFischer Kewl thanks for checking.
12:06
@DanielFischer Not sure if you remember but I defined the function $u$ by $u(x,y) := \frac{1}{4}(\| (x+y)^{+}\|^{2} - \|(x-y)^{-} \|^{2} )$.

Could it be simply observed that this function is not linear by taking $\lambda = 0$ and then noting that $\lambda u(x,y) = 0$ but $\lambda u(x,y) \neq 0$ if we take $y \neq 0$.
12:20
I will understand this by the method of prolonged staring.
@Moses You meant $u(\lambda x,v) \neq 0$ presumably. But then we have (I omit the constant factor) $\lVert y^+\rVert^2 - \lVert (-y)^-\rVert^2$, and $(-y)^- = y^+$, so it's $0$.
12:40
But $u(x,x) = \lVert x^+\rVert^2$, and $u(2x,x) = \frac{1}{4}(9\lVert x^+ \rVert^2 - \lVert x^-\rVert^2)$, and that's only equal to $2u(x,x)$ if $\lVert x^+\rVert^2 = \lVert x^-\rVert^2$.
@DanielFischer Typo. I meant to define $$u(x,y):= \frac{1}{4}(\| (x+y)^{+}\|^{2} - \| (x-y)^{+}\|^{2})$$
Okay, then we have $4u(0,y) = \lVert y^+\rVert^2 - \lVert y^-\rVert^2$, which generally isn't $0$.
13:07
zariski topology is the most confusing thing I have ever come upon
 
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14:07
How sad.
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Q: Grant fraud, should I bust my PhD advisor?

ranting PhD studentFor obvious reasons I will try to maintain some anonymity here. So I defended my thesis. Which was funded through a government grant. In order to obtain this type of grant, a professor needs to cooperate with several other research organizations and privately-owned industries. Then it is requir...

@BalarkaSen I saw a couple intro-ish videos today :)
what kind of intro?
i.e., intro to what? @SohamChowdhury
14:29
ah, I finally understand what Nullstellansatz is and why it should be true. Amazing.
@Balarka I was thinking of this: A map between two homeomorphic spaces which is bijective but not a homeomorphism. Will that map from the unit square to the unit disk defined as
f(x)={\cos(x), sin(x)}
Do the job?
what is even the domain of your function?
14:47
@BalarkaSen whatever you were telling me today, more or less. algebraic sets, the ideal-variety thingy, etc.
Nullstellensatz, btw.
I'd have spent time doing more worthwhile things, but ok, @Soham
Oh yea the domain doesn't fit
@MikeMiller Let $V(f)$ be an affine variety, $k[x_1, \cdots, x_n]/(f)$ it's ring of functions. Define the map $V(f) \to \mathsf{maxSpec}(k[x_1, \cdots, x_n]/(f))$ by $(x_1, \cdots, x_n) \mapsto m_{(x_1, \cdots, x_n)}$ where $m_{(\cdots, x_i, \cdots)}$ is the maximal ideal consisting of $f$s in the coordinate ring which vanish at $(x_1, \cdots, x_n)$. A-M says a weak form of Nullstellensatz implies this map is a bijection. Is it also continuous, w.r.t. the Zariski topology?
What do you people think about holding weekly online math competitions on this site in a chat room?
 
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16:02
@Balarka: Think about this a bit more and you'll get it.
16:31
Hello@Mike
@MikeMiller Got it. The map's actually a homeomorphism. Fix some $g$ in the coordinate ring. $U_g$ be the open sets $\{x \in X : g(x) \neq 0\}$. These are a basis for the Zariski topology on $V(f)$. Pushforwarding $U_g$ along the map gives the maximal ideals of the coordinate ring which doesn't contain $g$. These form the basis for the Zariski topology on the max-Spec.
@Balarka we have the idea of fibers in topology also right?
sure.
fibers is just a synonym for preimage.
well, you showed it's open, but you haven't showed it's continuous
it takes basis of one topology to the basis of the other..?
16:37
again it's a trifling detail but you never said the pullback of an open is open. open maps needn't be continuous
ok, ok. well, it suffices to consider the basic open sets in the max-Spec of the coordinate ring. They are of the form $V_g = \{m \in X : g \notin m\}$. Every maximal ideal is of the form $m_{(\cdots, x_i, \cdots)}$, so pullback along the map gives you the set of all points in the variety such that $g$ doesn't vanish on there.
Well since I was thinking that you said the constructing idea of quotient groups a d quotient spaces are the same shouldn't there be some thing called kernel of a homeomorphism? I haven't encountered something like that in munkres yet. Is there something like that@BalarkaSen
oh. I see your point now. showing that it induces a bijection on the bases does it fine because your map is a bijection, so pushforward is inverse to pullback. sorry
that's what I meant :)
@Rememberme kernel is precisely the same thing as a preimage of an element.
Huy
Huy
@MikeMiller: Did you ever prove that the Riemann curvature tensor consists of $n^2(n^2-1)/12$ independent components?
16:46
Nope.
Huy
Huy
@MikeMiller: I've tried for quite a while but my combinatorics is terrible and wiki is giving me a "simple calculations show that" proof.
I should edit the article. =(
@Remember Guess I should point this out : an important distinction to be made between preimage of a point along a continuous map between topological spaces and a homomorphism between groups is that the former might have different cardinalities for different choice of points you're taking preimage of, while the latter will always have the same cardinality. That's why we consider the set of all $g$'s such that $f(g)$ is the identity on the codomain group, rather than any other crazy element.
A class of continuous maps between topological spaces which has the same cardinalities of it's preimages, independent of the choice of the point, is a covering map.
OK, time for me to start on multivariable calculus. Loads to do :(
Bye, and thanks @MikeMiller.
17:03
Ahh.. I get the idea @Balarka thanks!!
@Huy I have a question (if you are free then pls do give me some kind of hint):
Can you give an example of a bijective continuous function between two homeomorphic spaces (both of the spaces are distinct) such that the function is not a homeomorphism
Huy
Huy
@Rememberme: Yes.
@Rememberme: Search on MSE. I've seen such an example years ago.
You know the example?
Huy
Huy
Not anymore.
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Q: Are continuous self-bijections of connected spaces homeomorphisms?

Dan RamrasI hope this doesn't turn out to be a silly question. There are lots of nice examples of continuous bijections $X\to Y$ between topological spaces that are not homeomorphisms. But in the examples I know, either $X$ and $Y$ are not homeomorphic to one another, or they are (homeomorphic) disconnec...

17:20
@Mike but I want distinct topological spaces X and Y which are homeomorphic to each other
That's a pointless distinction. Why would you ever care about distinct but homeomorphic spaces? In any case, if you want, then pick another space that's distinct but homeomorphic to the spaces linked and compose with that homeomorphism.
Oh. I see. Thanks @Mike
Huy
Huy
@MikeMiller: Is there a simple argument to show $S^7$ has a global frame even though it is not a Lie group, or does one have to construct one explicitly?
17:35
You can still use the octonionic structure to push around trivializations.
Huy
Huy
@MikeMiller: And also, is it possible to show that all other $n$ except $n=1$ and $n=3$ are not parallelizible, just using differential geometry? A friend of mine showed me a proof using algebraic topology, but I don't know much about that.
No, that's a hard theorem, and really is a theorem about algebraic topology.
Huy
Huy
Ok.
If you want to do something weaker, you can show that the only Lie groups are $S^1$ and $S^3$ with some pretty basic Lie theory.
parellelizable means trivial tangent bundle?
17:39
@Huy There's various elementary proofs for the $n=2k$ case, but I don't know one for the general case. jstor.org/stable/2320860?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents I have heard nice things about this paper. ("Analytic Proofs of the "Hairy Ball Theorem" and the Brouwer Fixed Point Theorem " J. Milnor)
then it's not obvious to me if $S^3$ is parellelizable. am I being silly?
@BalarkaSen It's $SU(2)$
I'll believe you.
It's the Lie group of unit quaternions.
oh, I see.
we use the quaternions to construct a basis for our tangent space. makes sense.
17:50
You pick whatever basis you want at the identity and then push that basis around with the Lie group multiplication.
Huy
Huy
@MikeMiller: Another question that I think should be simple to answer: I have shown that if two isometries $\phi, \psi: (M,g) \to (N,h)$ and their differentials coincide at some $p \in M$, then they are the same. How can I use this to find an upper bound for the dimension of $\operatorname{Isom}(M,g)$?
@Huy: You bound the degrees of freedom. You get $n$ degrees for where $p$ is sent and $n(n-1)/2$ for what the differential $df_p$ is.
Huy
Huy
@MikeMiller: And the $n(n-1)/2$ is because it's linear and thus $SO(n)$?
$O(n)$, but yes.
Huy
Huy
Isn't $O(n)$ a different number?
17:57
$O(n)$ is diffeomorphic to $SO(n) \times \mathbb Z/2$...
All you do is add a component for orientation-reversing.
Huy
Huy
Ah.
 
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19:14
Hi @ArtOfCode how's the "Art?"
19:28
@skillpatrol pretty good, done some good graphics today
That's the reason for my username. I do graphics and software.
I see...
...I thought it was along the the lines of The Art of Programming.
Huy
Huy
@PVAL: What is actually the definition of being parallelizable? I'm reading from different sources, some define it to mean "trivial tangent bundle", some something like "global $n$ frame" which are equivalent, and some write "it is parallelizable if and only if the tangent bundle is trivial" - which to me implies this is equivalent to the definition. But what actually is the definition?
@MikeMiller: ?
19:47
Those are all the same thing. Take whatever one you like to be the definition.
@Huy These are equivalent, and used somewhat interchangeably. Given a global $n$-frame it should be pretty easy to construct a vector bundle isomorphism between $TM$ and $M\times \Bbb R^n$. For instance if you have $n$ linearly independent vector fields $\{v_i|}$ The map $(x, \sum a_iv_i(x) \mapsto (x,\suma_ie_i)$ gives your isomorphism.
Huy
Huy
Okies.
The thing that is less obvious is that say a vector bundle is topologically trivial and smoothly trivial are equivalent. They are, but at this point I'd recommend just thinking about the smooth case (in other words all our vector fields are smooth).
Huy
Huy
Man, I knew it. I'm just now reading that it's true that every parallelizable manifold is orientable.
At the exam after showing many Lie groups were orientable I was asked if I thought all Lie groups were, and I thought it could be the case because we get an $n$-frame by left-translation, but then I was too afraid to say something wrong because we hadn't done it in class before, so I didn't say it =_=
anyone knows how to specify arrow lengths in tkiz-cd?
nevermind.
20:53
@anon: did you get my ping last night?
yeah
got the pdf
 
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22:32
could anyone tell me please where they get the term sin(pi/3) ctrlv.in/619836
Hmm. I once answered a question there, and now comes a question of (subjectively) higher quality and even more predisposition to an answer like the one to the older question. Still I feel I have to flag the new one as duplicate. Sigh
les douleurs de la mod
@ccorn Mmm
I am not a mod, fortunately.
22:39
@ccorn, mother tounge english?
anyone give me a hand with mine pls?
No, germany. More than enough sense for law-abiding, if you mean that :-)
@JoeStavitsky And equiletiral triangle has an angle of 60 degrees, or pi/3 radians. Then they take the sine of that to get the height of the triangle.
wait it is equilateral why isnt the aria just half a square
*area
@ccorn I am having some students tommorow participate in a quiz of some sorts. I had an interesting problem for them, and was wondering if there existed some generalization of the problem. However I am not sure how to phrase it.
22:43
like how does the angle even enter into it
@JoeStavitsky equilateral, not right-angled.
ahhh even so
@JoeStavitsky So how do you figure out the height of the parallelogram?
Hi is it possible to solve birthday paradox for n=20 People without doing calculation. I mean with basic math
@N3buchadnezzar My english may be better than the one in japanese data sheets, but not much, I'm afraid. That said, my impression is that english lends itself much better to short, straight-to-the-point expositions.
22:47
@N3buchadnezzar given area or not?
@ccorn I am giving them the problem that they have a mug (8dl) of beer and two glasses of 5dl and 3dl, the problem is to split the beer into two glasses, each holding 4dl. I was thinking about generalizations of different even sizes mugs (m), and primes p and q representing the glases. I had a tough time trying to figure out which choices of m, p and q makes it possible to divide the liquid in a finite amount of pours so to say.
@N3buchadnezzar You know in practice they would relocate the beer to a more natural destination :-)
@JoeStavitsky upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/… Looks like this. You need $(B+A) \cdot H / 2$ Now notice that $B+A = \text{side}$ and $H = \text{side} \cdot \sin \theta = \text{side} \cdot \sin \frac{\pi}{3}$.
@ccorn Poor students might do the cumbersome math, to split the tiny amount of beer fairly ;)
@JoeStavitsky like N3buchaddnezzar says
crap anyone have the chatjax bookmark
22:54
@JoeStavitsky It's linked in the 14 starred post to the right entitled chat guidelines (technically its linked to a page where its linked to).
oh thank jeebus
i have no idea how I keep loosing it
@ccorn I tried posting a question, feel free to edit it or ask me for clarifications.
Can someone explain what the "identity of indiscernibles" is?
I read the wikipedia page and didnt quite follow
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