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00:14
Is $\langle a,b\rangle$ cyclic, or is it only the case when we have one generator?
@JoshuaA If $b$ is expressible as a power of $a$, then the group is cyclic and may be expressed as $\langle a \rangle$, but otherwise, no, it's not cyclic.
What would we call a group with two generators?
Just 'group generated by two elements'?
Finitely generated? :P
Fair enough :P
That's what I'd say @JoshuaA
00:15
Yeah, what Kaj said.
Being finitely generated is pretty special, so.
@KajHansen: But that doesn't specify that it can be generated by two elements. The standard term for something that can be generated by at most $n$ elements is, well, $n$-generated.
2-generated ok
The minimum number of generators of a finitely generated group is usually called the rank.
What is special about such a group btw?
A 2-generated group?
Well, it can be generated by two elements, for starters.
00:18
Hmm nvm, I guess there is no real answer to such a question
@JoshuaA, for a concrete example, dihedral groups are $2$-generated, and knowing that makes them really easy to work with.
Oh yes true
Well, easier to work with.
A fact that I use relatively often @JoshuaA is that $S_p$ can be generated by a $2$-cycle together with a $p$-cycle. So if I wanted to show a polynomial has Galois group $S_5$, I can potentially cut down on my work significantly.
There are all sorts of places where knowing a generating set for a group comes in handy.
Hmmm I can't see how
What does the 2 cycle look like?
Are you kidding me? JSTOR doesn't let you access articles from '45 for free.
00:22
It's just a single transposition @JoshuaA. So like $1$ and $2$ get swapped, everything else gets fixed.
I know, but unless you changed the transposition, how do you generate $S_p$?
IIRC, $A_n$ has a small generating set, a fact you can use when proving $A_n$ is simple for $n \geq 5$. It's been a while since I've thought about that though, so I could very well be wrong.
Every finite simple group is 2-generated.
Actually, the whole paper has some good stuff. It's worth a skim.
Oh I see of course!
Except its a p-1 cycle then and a 2 cycle?
00:28
I think I've gotten more rep in the past 24 hours than I have all month :P
Oh I see a p-cycle does work
Well, it depends on the case you're looking at @JoshuaA. $S_n$ itself can be generated by a $2$-cycle together with an $n$-cycle, so long as the $2$-cycle is specifically $(12)$. There are lots of subtleties in the hypotheses that you have to be careful with here, lol
Nice.
@SohamChowdhury but a vector is not as real as a pipe.
What is important about p-groups?
00:45
Hi Professor @TedShifrin
hi @skull ... glad to see you with your "old" name.
@Soham: Non, c'est un aigle.
Thanks :-)
Heya, Mr @Kaj. Haven't seen you since I moved!
How's the back, after the move?
I'm still ambulatory, @skull; thanks for asking :)
And all unpacked. Just have to spend a day figuring out where to hang artwork.
00:48
On the walls, I'm sure, @Ted.
No sculpture?
What kind of art do you like, @Ted?
Please say you have (copies of) weird Eschery things.
Fargle: You're o so helpful.
Okay, I'm off to school.
00:51
No Eschery things, except for a cube on my coffee table.
Later pal
Eclectic stuff. Some from my parents, some from friends of mine, some purchased at auctions, etc.
@TedShifrin :D
You feeling better, @Fargle?
Yeah. I'm just antsy for school to get underway already.
00:53
You had to downgrade a bit?
Writing and playing music has probably been the most cathartic use of my time. Other than that, just math stuff.
Well, I'm eager to talk math stuff with you again.
Yeah, I came to my hometown's college. I'll hopefully be back in Knox come the spring.
You mean fall '16 ?
Oops, brain fart.
00:54
Am I one of the rude ones to whom you're referring over there? ->>>>
Not specifically. I guess I've seen you be short with her but I wasn't thinking of any person, just the things said.
It's the incessant self-congratulatory nature of every line, @Fargle, plus a narrow view of math; both bother me much.
I understand. It grates on my nerves as well. I'm just not very confrontational.
I certainly have my own ego, more aligned to teaching than to research. On the other idea, what she calls research is stretching a point.
You needn't apologize for not being confrontational.
Just finding another technical formula of narrow interest to me is doing an exercise, not doing research. Shrug
Anyhow, @Fargle, I would enjoy talking serious math with you when you get back to it.
I guess. It just colors all my interactions, and I have a bad habit of wishing that everyone else were just as timid and tactful--bordering on milquetoast--as me. :D
00:58
I take pride in being reasonably tactful. That doesn't mean I have to kowtow to every personality here or anywhere else.
I'm "back to it" in a sense, I just haven't looked at your diff geo stuff in a while, @Ted. I should probably do that sooner than later.
It doesn't have to be diff geo. I'm not being that dogmatic about it.
runs and hides @Stan is here.
Yeah, but it interests me, and it upsets me that I'm not strong at it yet, because it's my fault. >_>
Don't be upset. Some of those problems are hard :)
(For a loose and non-vile definition of "fault")
00:59
Haha I will be back. I have to go do problems from your book. Quick question tho
@Fargle: Most of my students find some of them hard, even with the lectures.
For that question yesterday involving y = |x|, what constitutes a sufficient proof this is not a 1-manifold? I mean, is just the lack of differentiability enough?
It just seemed trivial
Hello@Ted
That's not enough, no.
I'm sure the lectures would make them easier. Of course, I've generally done well just using source texts, but as below, maybe not so above.
01:00
No, @Stan. See the first definition of manifold (there are three in section 6.3.)
Well, no, @Fargle, but office hours do help :)
@Stan: This is an answer I've given probably 3 or 4 times on main. A $k$-dimensional submanifold of $\Bbb R^n$ must be a graph of a smooth function over one of the standard coordinate $k$-planes.
In the case of a curve in $\Bbb R^2$, you have only two cases to rule out.
@Fargle: As you can see from reviews on Amazon, my textbook writing is not the handholding, reduce everything to copying from the book, style. Today's students don't like it, but I defend it completely.
^ this is what i like
I do appreciate that, to be honest, @Ted. A lack of handholding encourages mathematical maturity in the reader.
is there a handholdy curves and surfaces book that's frequently used?
Goodnight, @Mike. Hmm ...
01:06
morning
I appreciate the usefulness of just doing narrow exercises, computing values on certain integrals or sums and such because frequently in my own work I'm stymied by some computation that has no known solution. But I'd appreciate it a lot more if it were systematically documented and useful, a la, Wolfram
Millman and Parker, Oprea, and Pressley are certainly very straightforward.
I think I'm going to give another crack at the constant breadth question, @Ted
Thanks for the tip, @Ted.
Almost every problem involves using the expression of the position vector as a linear combination of the Frenet frame, @Fargle.
01:10
@TedShifrin Are you talking about the Amazon reviews for your linear algebra book? They certainly dont seem to like it.
I see. And for a figure in $\Bbb R^2$, $\mathbf{B}$ is always $(0,0,\pm 1)$ (if that point could exist in $\Bbb R^2$), so I can just use $\mathbf{T}$ and $\mathbf{N}$.
Indeed, @Kevin. They want their homework done for them. And they're just wrong that there are no illustrative examples. There are lots.
Correctamundo, @Fargle.
leo
leo
Does someone happen to have the duplicate of this at hand?
@Kevin: Interestingly, the popular books (like Lay) leave dot product to the end of the book and totally de-emphasize geometry. Whereas I emphasize it from the outset.
I think a lot of algebraists and their students hate that, @Kevin.
@TedShifrin Yes I can see people being miffed if you arent showing steps that can be copied to solve some homework problems
01:12
What do you mean, @leo?
Wow, you got reamed.
@Kevin: There are lots of prototypes and specific comments that try to teach students how to become mathematical thinkers.
Yup, @MikeM, and I'm basically proud of it. They're full of ****.
It's an indictment of today's education in mathematics, frankly.
@Ted: I'm reading Wells' "Differential analysis...". It's nice.
It has good stuff in it, @MikeM, yes. I still prefer G&H.
OK, @Mike, I finished unpacking books and putting them on shelves. All I found are the three books I already told you about.
I'm here for the full Hodge theorem (for elliptic complexes). I'll probably read the rest for general education requirements.
I don't know of anywhere else that proves Hodge in this level of generality.
@Ted: I'm excited about Uhlenbeck-Freed. I completely forgot about it.
01:15
Yeah, G&H do Warner's approach with Fourier stuff, whereas Ronnie Wells uses pseudodifferential operators. You pick.
@Ted I think we go through the same thing. Students get stuck in a particular local minimum of how to solve problems. Often it involves mere memorization and repetition, ends/means reasoning, etc. We try and teach them how to think like a scientist rather than like a student. But they hate it because its not a local maximum of how to get the best grades
applause for Kevin
@Ted: Well, it's not so much picking here... I need more than the standard one for the de Rham complex. E.g. if I want my favorite moduli spaces to be compact, I need to know that the cohomology of an elliptic complex is finite-dimensional, so I need this version of the theorem.
But I admit I like the ideas here more anyway. More suited towards eg Atiyah-Singer.
I don't think G&H do just deRham.
Sure, Wells is good. I have never taught the details of the Hodge Theorem, I admit. I had too many other things I wanted to cover.
I specifically taught his exposition of Hecht's $SL(2,\Bbb C)$ representation-theoretic proof of the Kähler identities because I wanted to learn it.
But that was 1980. Six brains ago.
Today I learned that 1 brain = 35/6 years
01:19
@Ted: AFAIK it's only for the Dolbeaut complex. I need/want it for more exotic complexes. That's all. The Hodge theorem's proof seems out of place for most of the other stuff one does in a complex manifolds course, no? so it seems reasonable to skip it.
Six less a sixth, @Kevin
leo
leo
@TedShifrin Someone asked the same question some time ago. I couldn't find it. So thought that maybe some of the previous answerers were around
Well, not necessarily, but it's the same reason I never take the 2-3 lectures to prove Sard's theorem in a diff top course. The proof doesn't give insight into what students should really be learning in the course.
@leo: That sort of question has probably been asked a hundred times.
Sure. It's a PDE theorem more than anything else.
@Fargle Sicks less a Sith???
01:20
Of course, @MikeM.
The sixth sick Sheik's sixth sheep's sick.
smacks Kevin and Fargle
preemptive smacks
You forgot the Sikhs
@Fargle: Did you ever tell Ken Knox that you knew me?
"knew," to be precise
Oh, no, I never did. I believe summer had already started before I knew that you knew him.
leo
leo
01:22
@TedShifrin Probably yes. I wanted to have them all linked. As far as possible
And I haven't corresponded with him since. Maybe I should? I don't know.
@TedShifrin Hello.
Sure, @Fargle. I think he'd appreciate knowing why he doesn't run into you.
Heya, mr @Pedro :P
@Fargle: You don't realize, but good teachers actually like to hear from their students.
Probably. I dunno, communicating with my professors always feels simultaneously intimidating and self-aggrandizing. I know it shouldn't, but, yeah.
Aggrandize away.
01:25
I have been very touched by a lot of letters and emails my students have sent me over the years, @Fargle.
And I would be disappointed if you disappeared and didn't keep in touch with me, @Fargle.
Haha, of course. I don't plan on Grothendiecking just yet. I've got a lot to do before I drop off the face of the earth.
So, @Pedro, you almost done with your probability course?
@TedShifrin Yes, I'm sitting for the final on Monday.
Cool. What was the most interesting exercise in the course?
Anyway, a question about the constant breadth thing: how are we justified in letting $\beta(s)$ be the point opposite $\alpha(s)$? It seems non-trivial to me, at least at first, that $\beta$ would be well-defined.
01:27
Ah, @Fargle, that's convexity of the curve. It's actually proved in the last section of the chapter.
Excellent question, btw.
@TedShifrin Cannot remember now. I am trying to prepare a topic for the final, about random walks.
You can convince yourself by thinking about the mean value theorem.
I guess I should take it for granted right now, then?
Yes, @Fargle, but I still applaud your suspiciousness.
I've lost a lot of points on proofs questions before, @Ted. I am a wary SOB, haha.
01:28
Well, the author loses points there ... not you.
I heard a few days ago that even for something simple like a scalar $\phi^4$ theory, the number of Feynman graphs at arbitrary order in perturbation theory is not known. This seems like something that mathematicians shouldve figured out 100 years ago.
@Kevin: That was like Sanskrit to me :P
Haha allow me to translate!
well it won't be exact, but I'll give it a shot
Suppose we have a connected graph which has N vertices of adjacency 4. How many such graphs are there for each N?
Ah, ok ... I understand that question, but I've never dabbled in graph theory :)
ah I should mention that vertices are allowed to connect to themselves, so maybe that make them not graphs but something slightly different
01:32
No, those are still graphs.
Looks like chris' sister's suspension is over.
There was a suspension?
3 hours
leo
leo
:o
Should I inquire?
01:34
8 mods were in here
Okay good! In any case, it seems like someone should have answered this question, but apparently not
Is that a record?
Some of it
They always remove the good stuff
Probably not, I recall we had quite a mod party for that guy who was in here a while ago..... cant remember the name something to do with 'gay' or 'homosexual'
Was she being Ramanujan to the hilt again?
01:35
I missed the action.
oh, yes, Twink. There weren't so many mods.
That was one of several times I came out in the chat room :P
@Kevin: What's a scalar $\phi^4$ theory?
I think he explained that to me above, @MikeM.
@Ted: so much mathbf and boldsymbol...my fingers hate me.
So skip them, @Fargle.
01:37
@PedroTamaroff anytime you're ready pal you can suspend me for life.
It doesn't matter.
@skullpatrol I can't suspend you for life.
But I like prettiness more than I like timeliness!
Unless you die in less than a year or so.
LOL @Fargle. You're silly.
01:37
@Ted: He said something about graphs. I want to know about the physics.
Ohhhhh ... gotcha.
I sent you something off-site.
@MikeMiller It just a simple quantum field theory. There's 1 field which has a single operator-value at each point in spacetime. It's self interaction is proportional to the field amplitude to the 4th, thus $\phi^4$
"simple"
its about the simplest one that I know of
everything else is harder
01:39
Mathematicians speak a weird dialect of English where "simple" and "trivial" mean different things. ;)
OK. What's a quantum field theory? The mathier you can define it the happier I am.
I'm just teasing, @Kevin. It's probably simple, but it goes over my head.
@PedroTamaroff why less than a year?
@skullpatrol Suspensions usually last at most a year.
Ok
What's the next longer suspension after 3 hours? @PedroTamaroff
01:42
@KevinDriscoll It's not that simple because interacting $\phi^4$ QFT is not well-defined in 4D.
@skullpatrol Oh, in chat I can decide to pick $N$ for any $N$ in hours, I think.
So I can pick $N$ large.
@Fargle: I use the word "trivial" only in its technical sense.
And I make a big point of that with students.
What $N$ will you pick for me, @Pedro, because I did such a bad job of channeling you as a tennis instructor?
@TedShifrin Did you, really?
What's the largest? @PedroTamaroff
How should I go about showing that $\lambda = 0$, @Ted, where $\beta(s) = \alpha(s) + \lambda(s)T(s) + \mu N(s)$? I already showed why $\mu$ is the coefficient of $N$. Should I just differentiate?
01:44
I told you that, @Pedro :P
@TedShifrin You could be exaggerating!
Yup, @Fargle. As Chern used to say, "When in doubt, differentiate."
(Keeping in mind that $\beta$ may not be arclength parametrized of course)
Alrighty.
Good, @Fargle. Good.
@skullpatrol 9999.
01:45
@Pedro: Not in this case. But my student was far below what you had to deal with with me :P More swings and misses than hits.
That's over a year.
@TedShifrin Hehehe. OK.
Sigh. I figured :P
Well, I'll teach you to cook, instead.
We can find a good tennis court in CA to play some time.
Preferably clay!
You gotta learn west coast cooking now :P
Ugh @clay. NOOOOOO.
There are surprisingly few public tennis courts in San Diego, @Pedro.
01:47
@MikeMiller That's a tough one because the foundations of QFT aren't rigorous yet. A quantum field theory is defined by a hilbert space where each point represents a certain configuration of the various fields (just a set of operators assocaited with each point on the pseudo-riemannian manifold that is spacetime).
@MikeMiller The state evolves according to the rule that the probability of going from 1 state to any other is given by a functional on that Hilbert space which takes as input ALL the paths connecting the 2 points in the Hilbert space.
@TedShifrin Why don't you like clay?!
@MikeMiller Generally what you choose as the fields and the functional defines the particular quantum field theory
Because I have only played on it twice and don't know how to slide. And I like to hit volley winners, not have them come back infinitely many times.
Do you like Mexican food @TedShifrin?
@0celo7 Of course. Let's just pretend $d = 4 - 2 \varepsilon$
01:48
good, authentic Mexican food, yes, @skull, but these days my stomach doesn't deal with it well.
Lighten up on the spices
I love spicy Mexican and Asian. But my acid reflux doesn't. :(
Not sure if I have ever had good authentic Mexican food, but after a few drinks I love nachos (nachos are good anways)
Not a fan of nachos.
Let variety be the spice.
01:52
@TedShifrin Well, sliding is fun.
may I ask a real quick basic question here?
@Aequitas Yes.
Askaway
if something took 46680702ns but now it takes 10264ns it is now how much % faster?
thank you
Take the difference and divide by the original
01:53
Can I assume that $T_{\beta}(s) = -T_{\alpha}(s)$, @Ted? The only other possibility is actual equality, but it seems like convexity eliminates this problem.
@skullpatrol oh the difference, that's what I was doing wrong, thank you!
Thanks for asking
:-)
Up to an order of magnitude, its 100% faster
@KevinDriscoll Still, the approach you outlined is still ill-defined. The Euler-Lagrange equations for $\phi^4$ are nonlinear and since quantum fields are actually operator valued distributions, you have ill-defined field equations.
@KevinDriscoll The only way of making the theory work is to define it perturbatively via a path integral, although that is marred with problems as well.
@skullpatrol so the difference is 46ms if I divide that by the new time I get 4500 so that means its 450000% as fast? or do I divide by the old time which gives me 99% faster?
01:58
@0celo7 If I could explain to Mike a way of understand QFT without that problem, I wouldn't explain it to Mike though. I'd write several papers and collect my Nobel Prize.
@Aequitas the original time is used
@TedShifrin you mention maximal rank on this page in chapter 6 in relation to manifolds? What does maximal rank tell me about a given entity if I am trying to decide if it is a manifold?
@skullpatrol okay so 99% faster thank you :)
Does anyone have a short and sweet argument as to why the maximum of $$\frac{1}{3^n}\frac{n!}{k!j!(n-j-k)!}$$ over all possible $j,k$ is $O(n^{-1})$?
@skullpatrol wait that doesn't make sense though, because if something was 100% faster than wouldn't that mean that it would take half the time? the difference between original and new is ~10^4
02:01
@KevinDriscoll I'm just saying it's a little strange to see a mathematician talk about QFT and not mention distributions.
@Aequitas Its just a question of definition by what you mean by % faster
@0celo7 Ah, I understand. I happen to not be a mathematician, I'm a physics PhD student
Your calculations are with the time. @Aequitas it is 100% faster than the original time.
You are comparing the difference to the original
@KevinDriscoll carry on then
@KevinDriscoll I just saw someone mention QFT in the math chat and wanted to check it out
@PedroTamaroff No clue.
@0celo7 Ya I still find it odd that the graph theorists havent worked out the question I was talking about a minute ago.
02:08
You have calculated the percent of change between the two times with reference to the original time @Aequitas
faster shorter
@PedroTamaroff Since it's symmetric I would suspect that the max occurs on the line $j=k$
@AntonioVargas The argument I am getting is that the maximum occurs when $k,j,n-j-k$ are all close to $n/3$.
Then one uses Stirling's formula.
Because $t(1-t)$ is maximized at $1/2$.
@Fargle: Yes. That, too, is argued in section 1.3
@Stan: Maximal rank of the derivative is what allows you to apply the implicit function theorem.
@PedroTamaroff Interesting. I would believe that, again by symmetry.
Symmetry can be surprising. I can give you a function $f(x,y)$ that is symmetric (i.e., $f(x,y)=f(y,x)$, and yet the critical points are not on the diagonal.
Odd because "every" calculus problem that we do that is symmetric has an optimal solution with $x=y$.
02:18
@AntonioVargas Perhaps your argument would be closer to this if you note that we're maximizing $$\frac{1}{3^n}\binom{n}{a,b,c}$$ with $a+b+c=n$.
evening chat
hi @Semiclassic
Yo Semiclassical
@ted are you all moved in now?
02:21
Pretty much, yes, thanks :)
@TedShifrin If you don't check symmetry first then what are you doing with your life? ;)
You coming to visit?
great, glad that hassle is out of the way
can't say i am :/
Oh well :)
Just saying that symmetry doesn't always guarantee the symmetric answer, @Antonio :)
@AntonioVargas heya. did you see my msg re: those polynomials you asked about?
02:22
@Semiclassical I did indeed. Definitely interested to hear your thoughts.
mmkay
first thing is, they're linear combinations of chebyshev polynomials of the second kind. and that falls under the rubric of Bernstein-Szego polynomials---there's a section in Szego's OP book that talks about them
and apparently they're quite important for approximations/universality claims. not sure i actually have a clear sense of that
@TedShifrin Indeed not, for example some of your mass is attributable to just such a lack of symmerty
part of what makes it confusing is that there's cross-talk between BS polynomials re: OPRL and OPUC. they're related, but it's a tad confusing to me
LOL, no one said I was anything optimal, @Kevin :)
the latter is basically just "OPUC with only finitely many nonzero verblunsky coefficients," and thus can be seen as truncations of other OPs. so, nice for approximation stuff
02:26
They're not "classical" OPs, right? There's no $n$ for which $U_n + tU_{n-1}$ is a constant.
@TedShifrin Sure you are! You're a roughly classical guy, so on average you satisfy the Euler-Lagrange equations. You maximize the action!
Hi @KarlKronenfeld
@pedro Ah, yes, really easy to construct counterexamples
oh, hi @skull
@Kevin: No, no way I have maximum weight for my size.
hi @Karl :)
Hello @Ted
02:27
yeah, as far as i know they don't fit into that schema
there's two relevant references, let me find them
@KarlKronenfeld I should add the condition. By the way, the relevance of the Künneth formulas in the post is that the canonical Koszul complex is exact.
okay, first it shows up in Szego's OP text on page 33 (link)
do you know the meaning of Künneth in topology, @Pedro, or just the homological setting?
@TedShifrin What do you mean by "knowing the meaning"?
The situation in which it arises in homology/cohomology?
02:31
I assume so.
it basically just amounts to playing with different choices of $h(e^{i \theta})$ in eq. 2.6.3
Weird, since you haven't learned any alg top yet ... :)
Hi @Ted. Keep missing you.
something about timezones and moves across the country
Hi, @DavidW. I've only recently moved and got back on the computer.
02:33
Congratulations on the successful move. Hope your back recovers soon.
only one move @Karl, thanks :)
LOL ... Why is everyone so concerned that I'm crippled?
@TedShifrin Meh.
i'm forgetting the second reference i had in mind, so let me just get to the guts of it
Meh to you too, @Pedro :P
@Ted-lol, I just saw you say something 'bout needing a chiro.
02:33
Oh, true, @DavidW :)
That was several days ago.
@TedShifrin :D
"crippled" is a tad overmuch.
We excel at hyperbole.
Less so at ellipses.
Show off.
02:35
@TedShifrin I mean, I know how it pops up in algebraic topology, purely from a homological point of view.
suppose I want a sequence of OPs in $x=\cos\theta$ which are of the form $$U_n(x)-t U_{n-k}(x)=(\sin\theta)^{-1}\left(\sin(n\theta+\theta)-t\sin((n-k)\theta+\theta)‌​\right)$$
Well, @Pedro, surely now you should take algebraic topology!
Yes, yes.
I'll take topology this semester, so I'll learn some.
And differential topology, and ... :D
Cool :)
@TedShifrin I missed the good algebraic topology course. This semester there's an differential topology course, but I cannot possibly take it.
02:38
looking at the Szego reference, i need (up to normalization) some $h(e^{i\theta})$ such that the above combination of sinusoids is the imaginary part of $e^{i(n+1)\theta}\overline{h(e^{i \theta})}$
Why not, @Pedro? You know multivariable analysis.
which isn't really that hard to arrange---it's almost direct at that point @AntonioVargas
@TedShifrin I think you want to know some algebraic topology for that, and some differential topology too.
Depends on the course. The ones we teach here don't assume alg top, @Pedro.
I am going out to dinner with friends, but please email me course descriptions/syllabi for these. :) Later!
indeed, i think $h(e^{i\theta})=1-t e^{i k \theta}$ does the job just fine
from that, one gets that the orthogonality weight should have absolutely continuous part $$w(x)\,dx=\frac{\sqrt{1-x^2}}{|h(e^{i \theta}|^2}\,dx=\frac{\sqrt{1-x^2}}{1-2t T_k(x) +t^2}\,dx$$ where i've used $T_n(x)=\cos k\theta$
without worrying about normalization, of course
02:47
Sorry @Kevin, I had to drop out. I'll read what you wrote tomorrow. I('m training to) do topology via (mathematical) gauge theory so I'd really like to understand the physics.
i think that gives the entire orthogonality weight so long as $|t|<1$; i suspect that outside of that, the measure picks up singular parts
@AntonioVargas testing that in mathematica seems to bear it out
oh, and hopefully that wasn't too much of a brain dump :P
03:03
@Semiclassical thanks, I'll take a look at this in detail.
mmkay
also, re: the recurrence relation
it's the same as for chebyshev, except in one case
actually, hang on, i need to verify that quick
alright, scratch that, i don't know about the recurrence relation yet.
@MikeMiller Ah okay, that's really cool. The connection is quite interesting and I think particularly from the physics side not always well-understood. Theres something interesting about what happens when you go from a classical field theory to the corresponding quantum one. The topology of the space that the theory lives in can be quite different such that the symmetries of the classical theory are not preserved in the quantum version. We call this 'an anomaly' and I really don't understand it.
03:19
@Kevin: We should talk about this in more detail sometime. I'm out for the night though. Night!
@MikeMiller Alright, have a good one
04:12
@TedShifrin Alright, I just had the epiphany. You have a bunch of $T_{\alpha}$ terms on both sides, and then the $\kappa(s)\lambda(s)N(s)$ term. Since $N$ is orthogonal to $T$, its coefficient must be identically zero, but $\kappa(s)$ was assumed non-zero, so $\lambda(s) \equiv 0$ as a result.
04:36
@TedShifrin That really makes the rest of the problem easy, too, because what falls out of part (a) is exactly the relation I need to manipulate: $\mu \kappa(s) = 1 + u'(s)$, where $u$ is the arclength parameter of $\beta$.
Hey @TedShifrin. You joined right after I left!
He's offline, I think. I'm just spamming him with my late-night revelations. >_>
@PedroTamaroff why are you suspending @skullpatrol

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