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05:00
@tb Did you just pull an all-nighter? :)
@Srivatsan: I agree, nicely formulated precise and to the point. I've never heard of the Kumon method, though, and I'm a bit suspicious if I would send my 5-year old to such a program.
and yes :)
Still not that old that I can't do that and I don't have many obligations today...
I know you didn't mean it literally when you said about 5-year old, but it still makes me curious. (Hopefully it's not inappropriate.) Do you have a kid? :)
No I haven't. I probably won't have any, anytime soon.
By the way: educational questions tend to be very good. I feel a bit bad about this one that didn't get any reaction.
Wonder if a bounty will help...
05:18
I thought about offering one, but then decided against it. I haven't seen many book recommendation threads and suggestions that I found convincing and helpful, but maybe this would be a different case?
Not sure, but at least there'll be exposure to the question, right? I had completely missed it until you pointed it out.
That said, I am not sure that it's a good idea to offer a bounty for a partially subjective question like this one.
In any case, I just bumped the question, maybe somebody will have something to add...
Didn't strike me to do that. :)
I see nothing wrong with that, occasionally.
Finally in my hotel room. :-)
05:24
Hi, great! You missed some interesting questions...
@tb Nothing wrong with offering a bounty?
Nothing wrong with bumping a thread
@tb in chat or actual questions?
Both. Well, actual questions is a bit of a stretch...
tb: Oh, what I meant was that it was a good idea that didn't strike me, unfortunately.
Your link is pointing to this chatroom. Not sure you intended that.
05:27
Your "actual questions" link points to the chatroom
fixed. sorry
@SrivatsanNarayanan are you suggesting that it would be a good idea to strike you?
Heh, I actually saw that question when I chatted, briefly, from the telescope field.
And there's this post by the same user: "Why do mathematicians look down upon statistics?"
any answers? :-)
Both the questions were swiftly deleted by Zev, fortunately and unfortunately. ;)
(My comment--the one with a star--is alluding to this post, by the way.)
05:34
Only 2 out of 3 mathematicians look down on statistics.
Of course, there's the classic "73.6% of all statistics are made up."
there is a 97% correlation of ideas between the two.
@tb @robjohn I guess I have grown too old to be able to pull an all-nighter. ;) So I'll take leave.
Does someone lose reputation for getting their question deleted like that?
@SrivatsanNarayanan goodnight. I may nap tonight, too.
I don't believe that this particular user had any points to begin with.
05:39
Ah, reputation only takes non-negative integer values?
Yes, that's a given, I think. It may even be at least 1 always.
I've never tested this, but I have never given it much thought.
which tables?
Oh, not statistical tables ;-)
:=)
@tb It's been nice chatting with you. See you around some other time.
05:56
@Srivatsan: see you! It was very nice!
Actually I was anxiously waiting for a reply. :=) Got to run.
Bye!
 
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07:57
@SrivatsanNarayanan they still do it
 
1 hour later…
09:09
hi guys
i feel very dumb right now :) I had stumbled on the first exercise in a book - one year ago. And now I'm returning to that book and I'm still puzzled!
@AlexeiAverchenko which book
Russian Language for 9th class?
Harris, First Course in Algebraic Geometry
ha-ha, very funny <_<
oh, then it should easier
i wish i could smack you over the internet right now <_
short arm
@AlexeiAverchenko: you've heard it? finally Bulava fly
09:15
you mean flies upwards?
and only then downwards
@tb Are you taking Vitamin D supplements?
@AsafKaragila: are you reading the chat log?
Yeah, picked up from where I left last night. However... there's no real sense reading it all.
So what's up guys?
i'm struggling with a simple exercise
feeling dumb
and... yep, that's pretty much it
09:18
I'm struggling with a mistake I found in an old proof.
more respect to yourself, @Alexei
I'm struggling
@AsafKaragila right, man. I finally forced myself not to read chat logs for the last night - I'm not so lonely guy
You should study set theory, better ways of forcing stuff :-)
@AsafKaragila about forcing I do prefer Control Theory )
See, I have no choice for myself.
@AsafKaragila where did you invite me?
09:23
I did not invite anyone. I was wondering what would happen if I write that. Nothing did, so I removed it.
talking about such stuff completely unrelated to exercises in Harris we make Alexei quite angry I guess )
he already told me that he would smack me if he has arms long enough
Need I remind you who the Koenig is?
yes please
actually yes, you do
I am the Koenig. I can chat about anything I please to.
09:25
...did not see that one coming
In particular, jokes about the axiom of choice, forcing, set theory, and never ever ever algebraic geometry (unless it is a general chat about mathematics in which I claim that I do not like alg. geo.)
@AsafKaragila sure, man. Could you just remind me if there is Bonaparte in your chamber?
he forgot to take his morning pills today
I am not the one for pills.
@AsafKaragila is it the reason for thoughts of being the Koenig? )
great
total. effing. SILENCE
09:27
@Gortaur: Nope, being the owner of this chatroom is.
@AsafKaragila icic ))
my questions are cursed >_<
@AlexeiAverchenko try to relax, my friend and think about pussycats playing on the grass
btw, @Alexei have you received the 'Trusted User' position on dxdy?
OMG, do you know what day it is today?!
@AlexeiAverchenko 28 October 2011 AD
09:30
it's the International Animation Day
now I have to toss this stupid math aside and watch anime until I pass out 8)
Because it is AD? I think it's just because we are Anno Domini, or whatever.
@Gortaur what for? all my contributions there are trolling and cock jokes
@AlexeiAverchenko do you cock jokes?
to think about it, those are my chief contributions on any site...
@Gortaur no, thank you very much
@AsafKaragila I should better write: The day of twenty eighth in the month of October, two thousand eleven Anno Domini
09:34
If your acronyms are only "common knowledge" but not well-defined don't expect me to read it as you intent >:P
so from now you will read AD as Animation Day?
No...
I will read it as how I want to.
axiom of dongs?
@AsafKaragila what does 'however' forget in your sentence?
@AsafKaragila no way, I saved history
@AlexeiAverchenko dong has so many meanings in wiki. which one do you refer to?
you may start guessing :D
09:41
a German sausage?
hm, again it's quite ambiguous
I need some help verifying if I'm going blind or not...
You are.
That's sad. :)
@JM you aren't. what should we check?
some gif of yours?
See the answer here first. Read carefully.
09:47
Some gift of yours?
After having done so, check the link I gave in the comments.
@AsafKaragila * facepalm *
@JM Both ripped off the same guy.
@JM I agree with Asaf and you, JM stating that the text looks familiar
@Gortaur You agree to what? There was no statement to agree with.
09:51
So I'm not going blind yet?
Not just yet. Perhaps in a few dozen bottles of ethanol 70%.
@AsafKaragila whut?
@Gortaur Don't you give me that look. I see the pencil at the side of the text. You cheated! :-D
Yes, but I'm the Koenig. I can do that without cheating.
09:54
@AsafKaragila maybe, but that time you've cheated
I issue the ruling, and I rule that I was not cheating.
@AsafKaragila ok, let us clarify it. you're not my Koenig. in the same way I'm the Dark Lord so I don't give a... anything about your Koenigdom
Let me remind you, that not only I am your Koenig. You also voted for me.
@AsafKaragila when did I vote for you?
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Q: Compact subset of an open set

GortaurLet $X$ be complete separable metric space and $A\subset X$ is open. Does it mean that there is a compact subset of $A$? My solution is the following: since $A$ is open there is $B(x,r)\subset A$, then $\overline{B(x,r/2)}\subset A$ where the closed ball is compact.

10:02
was I voting for you to be a koenig by accepting your answer? )
Well, I assume that you upvoted the answer actually.
I know I usually upvote answers to my questions.
upvoted the answer
I did, answer is very nice and helpful
See? So you did vote for me :-)
read again
Also, I feel very Arturo today. I got 3 votes on old questions without writing anything new.
10:06
I've upvoted your answer, not you
I AM THE ANSWER!!!!1111
:-D
;D
wth, you're still sure that you don't want to take pills? ))
seems that nobody is interested in Alexei's question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/76628/…
These things happen.
they do. Do you feel better with your cold after you slept?
Well, yeah. The days are fine. My nose is a bit runny, and my throat is slightly sore. However the question is how am I going to feel later this evening.
10:12
Friday's evening, party?
Nah.
Why the hell would my white cat rub herself against the inky edge of my black pen?!
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@Gortaur, you touched my question! Grhaaaaaarrrr, me angry!
Please don't make him angry. I don't like him when he's angry.
:P
@AlexeiAverchenko I also upvoted it, maybe that will you less angry
@AsafKaragila whom?
10:17
@Gortaur a little bit, yes :)
@AlexeiAverchenko: that's good. Will you have щи on your lunch?
@Gortaur it's a soup, who eats a soup on lunch? :)
I did it
Shchi ;D
i had my lunch about 3 hours ago, i had sandwiches, wine grapes and tea :)
you?
tea )))))
what would we do without tea
I would have it in a minute and my lunch highly depends on what will be presented in the cafe
10:27
By Jove... that was a long transcript...
Haha, yeah.
Last night was fun.
Good thing the Halloween question was killed quickly...
Yeah.
I do think it was detrimental towards Arturo.
Trolling, it was.
Yoda you become.
J. M. = Jedi Master!
You ARE Yoda!
10:36
No, I am not. :)
Hm.
I think that I solved my problem with fivefold more elegance than I was hoping for.
I will give it a couple of hours to sit then verify my solution.
how did you figure "fivefold"? :)
Well, one for getting back to the original construction, two for showing a whole other thing cannot happen, three for making it even shorter, and two more because it means I can correct the mistake in the proof I wrote as well.
That sums to eight...
Oh, I was counting the five folds ;-)
10:41
Hmm, another thing from the transcript... I've already managed to find pics of Arturo and t.b. long before, but Mariano I wasn't expecting...
Really? I could only find Arturo's :-)
t.b. linked to Mariano's pic. It's in the transcript.
(Oh, also Gerry's.)
The search box cannot find that.
Wait, let me dig again...
Holy hell, Mariano is the maintainer of GNOME-terminal?!
10:47
:) See, it's hard to tell what people do in their spare time... ;)
Now that is a big photo. I was expecting a thumbnail kinda file.
@JM Just wanted to say thanks again for your help on that problem. I don't know if you saw my edit, but it seems that Apostol probably meant the standard form only all along.
Speaking of Apostol, I have the book. Surprising, eh?
@pro: I did see, I take the time to read backlogs (as long as we're still not on SO-level activity). i have to wonder why Apostol wasn't more explicit there...
...and you're very much welcome.
@Asaf: Is it dusty? :)
A little bit. A friend gave it to me a month or so ago.
10:58
@AsafKaragila it seems to be a popular choice
Ah, so you didn't use it originally to study from then?
He bought it on a used books sale in the university and gave it to me since he has got no use for it now.
"Oh yes, he has that book. Currently, he is using it to store his dust collection..."
In my university it is not usual to teach with a book.
Oh, wow!
Everything is always self contained in the course given material.
11:00
So every professor has to write the course content in it's entirety
@pro: It really dawned on me only now. You're a spare-time mathematician as well?
Only one course was a literal translation, that was measure theory. He just read Folland's book and took the exercises (including midterm and finals) from the book.
@JM well, currently I am, but I am trying to get into grad school so hopefully not for much longer
(I was trying to figure how you managed to read the book from RAND when it first came out... :) )
@process91 Give and take. Of course they use books, but it's not that the students are required to get the books and study from them as well.
11:02
@AsafKaragila I see
@JM Ah, no I didn't read it when it first came out, my professor had given it to me about two years ago
Oh, I misunderstood, sorry...
The only course I have heard given by my department in which such book is used is some low level course in linear algebra. They use a free .pdf book written by one of the professors, and even then I think that the exercises are given separately.
that's very convenient to the students I imagine, many students in the states would prefer we teach that way I think
It means, however, that there is a huge discrepancy between professors.
11:04
although now that I've been self-studying I've found a lot of value in learning directly from the book, whereas for most courses I never had a need to read the book
I took Fourier analysis with professor A, and the course was dead easy. One year before (and one year after) it was given by professor I which made it extremely hard.
@pro: Ah... you prefer listening to the professor? :)
@JM I used to take notes in class, but just never felt like I needed to read the book. I did do the exercises, but that was about it. I did fairly well with this approach.
Of course now that I'm really reading Apostol, it's clear that none of the courses covered the full depth of the material
@AsafKaragila That's a common situation here as well, even with the books.
That book's quite densely packed, IMO...
courses are often deceptively self-contained
imo reading a book on a subject is a must if you want to claim you know anything about it
11:08
Yes, just reading the contents it's clear that it's basically all the math I ever learned in college - they could just have all Math students buy and study from this one book
reading a book and doing all exercises
maybe supplement it with one abstract algebra book
@AlexeiAverchenko that's my new position as well
e.g. i can't possibly imagine going through Lang's Algebra in one year
I've learned a lot more from this book in the last three months than I did in my undergrad, honestly
now, I'm not sure I would have been able to tackle this book at all if I didn't have a good background to begin with, I guess I'll never know
even though it was written with that intent
11:10
@process91 It looks to me you're now at the position I once was when I was starting with this hobby... :D
@JM I'll take that as a compliment
I hope to one day understand as much as you do
Eh, it ain't that much. Too much math, too little time... :)
It has been a fun 15 years, I'll say.
My plan is to finish Apostol's Vol I and Vol II, and then I'm not sure what I would like to specialize in. What would you consider your area of specialty?
Set theory, in particular no-axiom-of-choice kind of things.
Actually, I'd recommend seeing a nice math survey like Gowers's book, so you can pick what tickles your fancy. You don't necessarily have to take the same route as I did, as I did bump on dead ends for some time.
11:13
I'm pretty interested in Calculus of Variations (and I guess as a generalization, Morse Theory) but it seems that not many professors at universities near me specialize in that.
As for me... the parts I'm most interested in are geometry, numerical analysis, and special functions.
variational calculus is a nice subject to learn. Go for it if it looks attractive to you!
yes, I read Courant's "What is Mathematics" and he covered the brachiostone problem, and I found that quite interesting.
also I did some personal investigation on minimal surfaces, which used calculus of variations as well
Yes, that brachistochrone started it all.
when you refer to Gowers book, do you mean the Princeton Companion to Mathematics?
Minimal surfaces will need some differential geometry to appreciate fully.
@process91 Yup.
11:17
I want it to be closed so I can add a comment "I just solved this, but the thread is closed..."
Okay, I was lying a bit there. You could have fun with minimal surfaces with just soap. :) But the differential geometry should help you understand what's going on.
@Asaf: Looks like I have...
yes, I think that's probably the next area I'll work on after I get through Apostol's books. I have do Carmo's book, and the library near me has Spivak's 5 volume treatise. Hopefully Apostol will bring me up to the level that I need for Spivak.
White hat trolling for the win. :D
You're just happy Austin managed to find a nice label for your usual behavior... :D :P
11:19
Of course! :-)
@process91 What else can I say, but "good luck, have fun!"
@JM thanks!
I'm going to work on some problems, take care everyone!
@process91 we will, good luck
Thanks, @Gortaur.
@AsafKaragila for what?
11:23
Closing that question.
So I could do some more "white hat trolling".
Gortaur the executioner!
you're welcome
should I put this link in the comment there? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2283996#2283996
Probably not a good idea. :D
that's why I didn't
Nah, anybody can search the transcripts...
11:26
but they won't do it
forget it, I'm not in high moods and could be sharp, so I better leave you guys for a while
That's the beauty of it! Only the determined will find out.
I always figure, if somebody takes the time to unobfuscate my e-mail address, they must genuinely need to talk to me...
lol
Okay, I think I have an even better solution which is tenfold the original!
:D
Don't forget me when you're accepting your Abel and Fields...
Haha
You are forgetting that 10/10000 is still very small ;-)
11:58
hi @Asaf and @J.M.
hello
i have a question in mind....
i do not have any math formulation neither i have any idea of which branch
it is
i need some suggestion

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