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19:01
by $\overline{V}$, i mean the dual of $V$. and the $coeval$ and the $eval$ morphisms are the bordisms $\emptyset \to M \sqcup \bar{M}$ and $M \sqcup \overline{M} \to \emptyset$ (which, after $Z$-ing, gives the coevaluation maps and the evaluation maps resp)
@robjohn I wonder if r9m is Remember Me... Both have R and M...
@Will Remember Me is Sayan.
Yes, I know.
i am not yet sure why the morphism $Z(\subset)$ is the evaluation map $Z(pt^+) \otimes \overline{Z(pt^+)} \to \Bbb C$, though i am probably missing the obvious here.
@MikeMiller You mentioned spending a lot of time here. If you want you can always delete your account.
19:04
@DanielFischer I wanted to write the following. Given that $f$ is a complex function. If we have $\frac{\partial f}{\partial t} = iC\frac{\partial^{2}f}{\partial^{2} x}$ could you state that $\frac{\partial f^{\ast}}{\partial t} = -iC\frac{\partial^{2}f^{\ast}}{\partial^{2} x}$, where $C$ is a constant and $f^{\ast}$ is the complex conjugate?
@Balarka: I can't read that right now. Give me half an hour.
okay. i will read your reply tomorrow morning. gotta fix my sleep disorders.
@BalarkaSen Is TQTF topological quantum field theory?
@BalarkaSen You may want to see a doctor.
19:07
nah, i was able to fix the one i had previously. and this isn't as much serious as that.
@JohnDoe One markup remark first, * in maths screws up the rendering in chat, use \ast instead. Then, supposing that $t$ and $x$ are real variables, then yes, that follows, since $\frac{\partial}{\partial t}$ and $\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$ are real operators (which means they commute with complex conjugation).
i gotta go
@DanielFischer When you say that they are 'real operators' do you mean that the complex component is ignored when you take the partial derivatives? So in other words you consider $f$ and $f^{\ast}$ as real valued functions?
@JohnDoe No, an operator is real if it commutes with complex conjugation. $\operatorname{op}(arg^\ast) = (\operatorname{op} arg)^\ast$. You could say that the partial derivatives act on the real and imaginary parts of $f$ separately.
@DanielFischer Okay great I understand. I don't know really want to get into complex differentiation so that helps.
Kaa
Kaa
19:24
hi, i ask yesterday a question about irrational numbers i found a post but doesnt make sense to me so far, the post is math.stackexchange.com/questions/46822/density-of-irrationals and my question is math.stackexchange.com/questions/1256400/…
if any could answer my post i appreciated
@Chris'ssis o/
@Balarka: This is far more general than just what happens on the point, and is really just linear algebra. Look at Lurie's proposition 1.1.8. That the map $p: Z(M) \otimes Z(\overline{M}) \to k$ is a perfect pairing gives you a canonical isomorphism $Z(\overline{M}) \to Z(M)^*$, obtained by sending $b \in Z(\overline{M})$ to $a \mapsto p(a \otimes b)$.
Back.
@Hippalectryon Hi
It looks like you've got the right idea up there. I'm not reading carefully, though. If you think what you've done proves it for general $M$ then you're probably right.
19:34
@WillHunting Welcome back. ;)
@Kaa If I find anything uself I'll let you know.
Kaa
Kaa
thanks
@Chris'ssis I haven't been here for some time, did you find anything awesome in the meantime ? :D
@DanielFischer Is it true that if $f$ tends to $0$ as $x$ tends to $\infty$ then $f^{\ast}$ tends to $0$ and $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$ tends to $0$ as $x$ tends to $\infty$?
@Hippalectryon hehe, sure. A lot of new stuff, but I didn't share much here. :-)
For your book I guess ?
19:37
@Hippalectryon Yeah.
Great :D
@Hippalectryon Wait a second ...
@Hippalectryon I also managed to calculate in a very easy way one of the toughest integrals ever posted on I&S and MSE $$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\cos(x)}{x}\left(\int_0^x \frac{\sin(t)}{t} \ dt\right)^2 \ dx$$
That's cool
@Hippalectryon where as far as I know no one managed to do it without computational systems.
@Hippalectryon It's more than that. I also did the cubic variant and other similar variants far harder.
I wonder whether it's really 'very easy' though :-)
Aren't you using some kind of previous badly known result in the process ?
19:43
@Hippalectryon You would be shocked to see their simplicity. Really! Of course, you need to know the way to go.
@Hippalectryon badly known result? What does that mean?
Like, a result that you have proved in the past but that is not widely known
Hey, does someone have a reasonably simple explanation for what the difference is, exactly, between varieties and manifolds? I see the words used interchangeably sometimes, but that's probably not something one can generally do, right?
@Chris'ssis Will it be in your book to ? (are you still adding new content, or do you focus on formatting the existing one ?)
@JohnDoe $f$ tends to $0$ if and only if its conjugate tends to $0$. For $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$, things are more complicated, that need not tend to $0$. Consider something like $\frac{\sin e^x}{x}$.
@Hippalectryon Yes, it will be in my book. I might not say I simply add, but I replace some of the content I established previously.
19:45
@Danu They're not at all the same thing. A variety is a sort of algebraic analogue of a manifold, if you'd like. A smooth real or complex variety has, as its underlying topological space (as a subset of $\Bbb P^n$ with the analytic topology), a topological manifold.
The result is 'nicer' than what I expected @Chris'ssis
@Hippalectryon Yes, I can guess that.
But varieties generally have singularities, and as far as I know, not every smooth manifold is the underlying topological space of some variety.
@MikeMiller I'm asking because I think I've seen people call the Grassmann manifolds varieties as well
19:47
@Hippalectryon Without a proper approach, things become absolutely horrible. Much wise is required to carefully avoid any possible trouble.
Maybe they're somewhat unique in arising both from a diffgeo and an algebraic perspective
the complex grassmann manifolds?
maybe the real ones are too
@Hippalectryon Some months ago, when I first tried that, I failed to do it in an easy way. I had to use computational systems in some points of the proof. Then a brilliant idea came to mind ... I think to make a poster with the proof and post it on one of my walls, really. I love that.
Real, I think
Anyone with Big Rudin (Real and comp) around? I have a small question again.
19:48
in any case, certainly some manifolds show up naturally as varieties as well
the n-sphere is obviously a real algebraic variety
@Chris'ssis I already have paper sheets on my walls with integrals :D
@Hippalectryon hehehehe :-))))))))))) (+1)
@MikeMiller I'm now led to wonder... how does $$\mathbb{Z}_p\cap \mathbb{Q}$$ compare with $$latex \mathbb{Z}_{(p)}$?$
@Chris'ssis Well, I'll be waiting for your book then :P
@DanielFischer Okay. So you can have a case where $f$ and $f^{\ast}$ tend to $0$ but $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$ tend to $\infty$?
19:51
@Hippalectryon OK :-)
@MikeMiller Sadly, I haven't the slightest idea about varieties. Is this something a normal algebra book (I'm about 2/3 through Vinberg's book) would cover, or would one really have to study some algebraic geometry?
@Danu I seem to recall Dummit & Foote talking a bit about varieties
but it's not necessarily standard fare for a purely algebraic book
You can say some nontrivial things without learning about schemes or anything. Here's the wrong way to think about them, as an algebraic geometer: a $k$-variety is the solution set in $k^n$ to some set of polynomials.
But that should suffice for now.
@JohnDoe No. If $f$ tends to $0$ and $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$ tends to $c$, then $c = 0$. But $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$ doesn't in general converge to anything if $f$ tends to $0$.
19:53
@MikeMiller I've heard that before
a supremely unenlightening way to think about affine varieties for the first time: a commutative ring
Why do you say it's the wrong way? Also, any recommendations for "easy algebraic geometry"? I aim to get into it eventually
@Danu: The right way is to think of them somehow as if they're an algebraic manifold, with "coordinate patches" and "algebraic" change-of-coordinate formulas
Varieties aren't really objects embedded in $k^n$, just like manifolds aren't really objects embedded in $\Bbb R^n$
@MikeMiller That sounds delicious
this leads to the notion of scheme
it's not so easy to make precise
19:55
I'm really interested in diff geo
@DanielFischer Yeah graphically the case I mentioned doesn't make sense, having $f$ tend to $0$ but the partial derivative tending to $\infty$.
A nice casual introduction to algebraic geometry, with lots of examples, is Joe Harris's book Algebraic Geometry: A First Course.
@lenticcatachresis They're the same. For any prime $q \neq p$, $1/q$ is in $\Bbb Z_p$. $1/p$ is not. This suffices.
and what your coordinate patches are is essentially commutative rings, which you think of as "rings of functions on some space"
@TedShifrin Have heard of it before. Thanks for the advice
19:57
@Kaa didn't you discuss this question with @TedShifrin in chat yesterday?
good evening by the way, @Ted
guten Abend, @Alessandro
I think that was someone else yesterday, @Alessandro, and I gave up at a certain point and Mike told him/her to go think.
@DanielFischer @TedShifrin You going to watch Paquiao vs Mayweather?
huh? @JohnDoe
@TedShifrin Paquiao vs Mayweather boxing match.
um, no. I have never cared one iota about boxing.
20:00
Fight of the century :)
@Danu There's a really great post by Javier. I'm interested in the Beltrametti et al, but got Berger's Geometry for some much-needed background
@pjs36: Berger's book is lovely.
@JohnDoe That was Foreman vs. Ali. (For those who care about boxing.)
@MikeMiller it's nice to know they're the same, it confirms the thought that what the p-adics do beyond localizing is happening away from the rationals. I'll think about your argument
@TedShifrin yup, different name, but linking the same question, I thought I had seen it before chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21355897#21355897
20:02
@pjs36: But it is not the usual mathematicians' geometry university course.
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A: Closed-form of $\int_0^1 \frac{\operatorname{Li}_2\left( x \right)}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} \,dx $

sos440My attempt. This is by no means closer to the answer, but I want to address several equivalent forms that might be helpful for future calculations. First, from Landen's identity of the following form $$ \mathrm{Li}_2(z) = -\mathrm{Li}_2\left(-\frac{z}{1-z}\right) - \frac{1}{2}\log^{2}(1-z), \qu...

@Hippalectryon I also have the full, neat solution to the one above. I did it the last days.
@pjs36 Heh, yeah I've already bookmarked that link. Thanks anyways
@Ted It really is! The man is seriously gifted. Definitely a bit slow-going for me, but I really want to spend some time with it.
@Chris'ssis Post it :D
(Rather, it takes me some time to make progress, not that it's not quick enough)
20:03
@Hippalectryon In my book.
@Chris'ssis Yaay :-)
@DanielFischer That was the fight of the last century. Do you plan to watch Paquiao vs Mayweather?
@pjs36 You mean the book on Riemannian Geometry?
@JohnDoe No. I never cared about boxing.
@Hippalectryon All I say about mathematics (well, in terms of what I did) is always as I say it is. I admit that I might not say everything (I actually say nothing) about personal life since I don't enjoy such a topic. :-)
20:04
And whatcha mean, "last century"? It's just forty years.
when's the fight, @JohnDoe? Hopefully not tonight.
@Danu I meant Berger's Geometry. I'm not sure what category it falls into. Definitely affine, from what I've seen! There's definitely more to it though
Btw, when you guys hear of a [grad] student of physics trying to self-study some advanced math, do you get the same feeling I get when hearing about a high schooler trying to self-study string theory? ^^
@pjs36 Can you link it? I don't think I was able to find it through google
@MikeMiller It's on 2 May in Las Vegas.
20:05
@JohnDoe Well, maye I'll watch it. Not in Vegas, though.
@DanielFischer We are starting to count from 2000 again.
@lenticcatachresis: Well, one needs to convince themselves there's not more in $\Bbb Z_p \cap \Bbb Q$
which is why one notes that $1/p$ isn't in there
Which is why I deleted my comment, I'm too quick to write ;)
@Danu Yeah, "geometry" doesn't uniquely identify much! Here's the link, and I believe there's a geometry II running around somewhere
@JohnDoe 5775
20:07
thanks
@Hippalectryon Moreover, I did the trilogarithm version as well and many other versions, far harder, of course.
@pjs36 Yay, Springer! Free access to that through uni :D
@Hippalectryon ah, and I also this the version with the inverse tangent integral.
@Danu Score! And by the way his Geometry Revealed is pretty stunning, although much more expository in nature; not so much a course. Somehow a nearly-final draft seems to have leaked onto the web...
20:10
5775?
Danke, danke!
@Hippalectryon ^^^ (done entirely without computational systems)
@Danu Hoe gaan dit?
@Hippalectryon I used Mathematica only for checking the result and using the latext generated to decrease the time spent with it.
@JohnDoe Did you mean... Hoe gaat het?
Also, danke would be German, not Dutch.
If you're trying to ask the German version, it'd be "Wie geht's?"
20:17
@MikeMiller how would you describe $Z_p \setminus Z_(p)$?
No @Danu It's afrikaans not dutch or german :)
I probably wouldn't
Irrational p-adics?
Just like the real numbers have a plethora of fundamentally indescribable elements, so too does $\Bbb Z_p$
I guess that's the point, yeah, hmmm...
@JohnDoe Damnit :P
I guess I just don't really get what completing Z_(p) does, yet
20:20
...but is "danke" Afrikaans as well?!
or how to think about it, rather
It's 'dankie' @Danu
@Danu: Berger has a beautiful book on basic Euclidean/non-Euclidean geometry, but written for a sophisticated (French) college audience ... ultimately for people who will teach good high school students. Not part of the Riemannian geometry stuff ...
But I thought you were speaking Dutch, I didn't know it was German. @Danu
@Mike: Finally done with my phone. You were one of the entries that didn't transfer ... Oh well. :D
20:22
@JohnDoe ^^
So are you from S-A?
I never thought about Z_{(p)} very well. I could only think about it in terms of localization in general, where the idea isn't necessarily to forget about all the other primes (what about the primes below p in a general ring?), it's to forget about all the other maximals
@Ted: I'm sure you won't miss me.
Yeah @Danu
@TedShifrin I assume it's the book that pjs linked?
I'm writing my talk for tomorrow, @Ted. Hopefully it's decent.
I found you elsewhere, @Mike :D ... OK, going home since I think no one's looking at it today.
Ah, I'm sure you'll do a decent job, @Mike :)
20:23
So I hope!
@Chris'ssis Best book in advance 11/10 :3
I didn't look, @Danu. I own the book.
@Hippalectryon :D
@TedShifrin Yeah, okay.
By the way, is anyone bored enough to listen to my long-term textbook reading plan and tell me if there are any obvious gaps?
Enjoy your night/day all, c yer.
20:25
Bye!
Kaa
Kaa
@Alessandro yes but i didnt find the answer with the hints
@TedShifrin hi ted, so far i didnt find the prove for irrational numbers,.... so i am stuck, can you give more help?
Could you take a look at my question?
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Q: Find solution of problem - Method of characteristics

evindaI want to find the solution of the problem: $$(t+u(x,t))u_x(x,t)+tu_t(x,t)=x-t, x \in \mathbb{R}, t>1 \\ u(x,1)=1+x, x\in \mathbb{R}$$ I have tried the following: $$(x(0), t(0))=(x_0, 1)$$ We will find a curve $(x(s), t(s)), s \in \mathbb{R}$ such that $\sigma (s)=u(x(s),t(s))$ $\sigma'(...

20:44
I'm logging off for tonight. Good night everybody and good luck tomorrow, @MikeMiller
Thanks, @lentic. Have a good night!
Do you have an exam tomorrow, @MikeMiller ?
Hah
user143442
21:03
If $X$ and $Y$ are topological spaces such that $X$ has an isolated point and $Y$ doesn't, why can't $X$ and $Y$ be homeomorphic?
21:14
@abel Hi!!! Could you take a look at my question? math.stackexchange.com/questions/1258086/…
@user Because isolated points are preserved by homeomorphisms.
Anyone could help me solve the following? math.stackexchange.com/questions/1258191/…
21:31
@Kaa We established that $0<\sqrt2/2<1$. If $x$ and $y$ are rational numbers, stretch write down a linear function that sends $0$ to $x$ and sends $1$ to $y$. Where does $\sqrt2/2$ go?
hi, how would I calculate the probability that an undirected graph is connected when every node in the graph has at least one edge and there are as many edges as nodes?
hi again, @DanielF ... nice to see you more than never :P
@TedShifrin Well, I have a lot more chat rooms now to follow.
I know ... I do miss you and Pedro.
morning folks
21:46
@Victor What's with you? In which semester are you?
@evinda I am a sophomore in college. I am a math major. Are you a math major?
good night again, @Mike ... lecture done?
not quite... deciding how much of the h-cobordism theorem proof to talk about
because that, of course, is the "why" of the difference between dim 4 and dim 5
Of course ... About 40 years ago I knew all that :)
Yes, I am an undergraduate student. @Victor
21:53
It's pretty difficult to push into the about 20-30 minutes I'll have for it... especially considering I have no choice but to talk about handlebodies and the key terminology thereof...
@evinda i think you should also try asking your question on how to input the equation into wolfram alpha in the mathematica stack exchange so that you can check you answer in wolfram alpha.
Fitting 3 hours into 50 minutes is always a challenge, @MikeM.
Hi @Ted @MikeM
hi @Incurrence ... happy early morning to ya
22:02
:)
@TedShifrin I talked to my lecturer
yeah :) and ?
I was super nervous until we got to the white board, after that it was really helpful
well, I'm glad I pushed you to take that step :)
I bet your instructor was too
morning Incurrence
Yep xD. Now I feel better about talking to lecturers in general
22:04
yeah, @Mike finally got the time of day right :D
lecturers are there to help, especially when it's office hours
Yes, @Incurrence, most aren't as mean as I am.
You aren't mean surely @Ted
glares :D
You look really friendly/happy in all of the photos of you that I have seen
22:05
it's a sham.
That's his stunt photo-double, I imagine
I can confirm
exactly, @pjs36
Wut
xD
What about "You've forgotten all of the math???"
I didn't say all ... I mentioned asymptotically forgetting what I'd learned.
22:07
Nono I meant some video of you
Where someone says they have forgotten polar coordinates I think it was
oh, right, Hippa's favorite meme.
Precisely, I'm totally mean.
oh ugh ...
So you're confirming my meanity.
"Any math you've learnt you've forgotten, I'm shocked, I'm shocked!"
You are nice on here atleast :P
Not true, @Incurrence
22:09
Not always.
Where do you think I learned being mean from?
@MikeMiller You've got a kind heart too Mike
LOL indeed,.
No, @Mike is barely 20 and he's way bitchier than I am.
22:10
lmao
Please, @Ted, I'm of age.
oh, sorry, barely 21 :P
so, @Incurrence, did you and your lecturer settle what you should lecture on?
I don't know if I could survive without access to happy hour.
22:11
I'm running out of gin, @Mike, and the other stuff just isn't as good :(
I want to move and replenish my liquor cabinet :P
Not yet, since the other guy doing the same presentation theme, central extensions, hasn't talked to him yet
oh, well, you get first dibs, then ... did he give you good suggestions?
There's one bar nearby where the bartender asks me if I want a whiskey sour the moment he sees me. I swear I've only been there a couple times.
Mostly I just confirmed everything I understood, and made sure I had a good start
well, good :) did he say you could come back, or did he say never to talk to him again? :D
22:13
Haha he said that it's good when students talk to him, and its even better when they get good grades
(which I am)
well, see ... you were silly to avoid him.
OK, I'm caught up on those regrades I promised these kids a week ago.
I'll still freak out when approaching, but I'll just deal with it
@Mike, don't be at your age like one of my old colleagues ... who used to grade promptly and now takes weeks to get it done ... more proof that some of us should retire ...
@Ted: I grade homeworks the day I get them. It's the regrades that take me a while...
22:15
well, I don't believe in regrades :P
unless I've made an error, of course
What class is this, @MikeM?
What are regrades? People saying that their work isn't crap?
Complex analysis.
he lets them redo problems, I presume, @Incurrence
Homework grade is a miniscule part of their overall grade (10%? might even be 5)
So I'd rather use it so that they learn from it rather than as an evaluative tool. Allowing them to redo their problems is a good way of forcing them to confront what they didn't learn.
22:16
No, it's good you encourage them to redo/learn stuff right ... But I always worry that then they fall behind on the next assignment.
Or rather, forcing the six or seven who email me.
Yes, @Mike, I agree, except for my worry above.
Does that mean they don't get the answers back until after they have reattempted?
We don't always post solutions, @Incurrence ... at least, I rarely do.
@Ted: I talk about the general strategy one should do when solving a problem. I never give a full solution in class, before the homework or after. This means that if they want the points back, I'm fine if they use the idea, but they still need to think it through.
22:17
Well I rarely use them when they do put them up, since getting stuff wrong says more about needing to read the textbook for me
I've been telling my differential geometry students all semester that the "required" problems on each problem set (one each) would appear on tests and the final. How many of them have come to me to work on them ... either before or after?
I emailed a guy at Columbia today; he gave a talk recently but I can't find the work he talked about on the arXiv or elsewhere. (He appears to be a 5th year grad student.) I probably made his day by asking about his work, but I find sending emails to people I don't know just as terrifying as @Incurrence does talking to lecturers.
Haha my other one is phone calls, but emails are fine
So Bob the zealot destroyed our map
I never answer phones
how does one destroy the map?
22:20
The mods "caught" the "troll' that defaced the pin your location @Incurrence
@TedShifrin He graffeti'd it beyond repair
@DiscipleofBarney Yes, I want vengence
He probably has an easy password on all his account... Just need his email. Although, I think Alexander said he emailed his mother
@DiscipleofBarney LOL
5 hours ago, by Alexander Gruber
i emailed his parents
@DiscipleofBarney $H_3(\Bbb Z)$ is pretty fun
The Heisenburg group? How is it going with that
However I am now confused about the direct product though
Does the direct product not necessarily give us a 2-tuple?
22:24
@DiscipleofBarney Did you know $H_3(\Bbb R)$ shows up in 3-manifold topology?
It, along with a certain left-invariant metric, is one of the 8 Thurston geometries (under the name Nil)
I believe it although I don't know how @MikeMiller
What was $L$ in your short exact sequence?
Do you happen to know how accessible "The Geometries of 3-manifolds" by Peter Scott is, and if it is a good source to learn about such things? Do you have a rough idea of what should be studied first? @MikeMiller
@Incurrence What are you talking about?
You have a short exact sequence $$1\hookrightarrow Z(H_3) \hookrightarrow H_3 \twoheadrightarrow L \twoheadrightarrow 1$$
So I have a direct product of $Z(H_3)\times L$
@DiscipleofBarney I do happen to know, since I read that about a week ago
22:29
Where $L$ and $Z(H_3)$ are normal
haha, nice could you enlighten me @MikeMiller
I don't really remember what it assumed to be honest
Who said $L$ had to be normal?
You should know what Lie groups and Riemannian manifolds are to be sure, and what curvature is
Well if it doesn't split, $L$ and $Z(H_3)$ are normal
22:30
Worst case you could read it and then find out what you need to know by doing so
Why is that @Incurrence
If it splits we have a semidirect product and thus one normal and one non-normal subgroup
And if both are not normal
We can't have a short exact sequence
@MikeMiller That is what I was planning to do, maybe look at one of that Thurstond book on 3-manifolds (the ones based off his notes)
Since the first natural projection won't be a quotient map
The Thurston book is not far from unreadable
22:31
I am talking about why $L$ should be normal?
At least, according to my advisor, and then according to me when I tried to read it
Suriously, it is that bad? What made it so unreadable? @MikeMiller
It's very visual in a way I have trouble doing
Like, it sort of demands you be able to visualize hyperbolic geometry
So too much intuition that is hard to follow (if you ar not Thurston)
Try the first couple chapters and see if you can cope
22:32
I answered that I am pretty sure, maybe incorrectly: If both are not normal, the first epimorphism is not a quotient map, so it isn't a short exact sequence, if one is not normal, then it splits, and you told me it doesn't split, and hence both L and Z(H) are normal
@Incurrence How in the world does that guarantee it splits?
Since you like groups there's a great survey on 3-manifold groups by Aschenbrenner, Friedl, and Wilton that has lots of references
Plus direct products split...
Wut
But
@MikeMiller Thanks I will have to check that out, with you around I have been getting more interested in learning more actual geometry
22:34
What is the difference between splitting and being a split extension?
$G$ is a split extension of $H$ by $N$ is equivalent to $G\cong N \rtimes H$
I like that, being a catalyst for someone else to learn something
So a split extension requires that I have $1\to K \to G\leftrightarrow H \to 1$
I'm more of a topologist than a geometer, though the fields are inextricably linked nowadays
@Incurrence $\rtimes$ depends on some automorphism
@Disciple of Wilma: I would certainly never want to encourage you to learn geometry :P
22:39
Where that two way arrow is to the right the epimorphism(by quotient map) and the left is a monomorphism
It can split another way, too, @Incurrence.
Via K and G?
@Incurrence I recommend you work through direct products do split
Right.
hi guys
have any ideea how can i change flair?
22:40
hi @Lucas
I want to put "?theme=dark "
but I don't know where
@TedShifrin Yah, I know your feelings about geometry :)
I didn't know it was about feelings ...
@TedShifrin I know about your cold calculating symbol based logic
Well, I'm going to be cold and calculating and go cook dinner :) Y'all have a good morning/evening.
22:43
so?
NO clue what you're talking about, @Lucas.
Cya @Ted
@Incurrence The symbol $\rtimes$ does not uniquely identify a group, although if you have a group you are working in there is an implied meaning (the corresponding automorphism is conjugation inside the group.)
see ya later, @Incurrence.
@Incurrence Did you read that section in Aluffi
22:45
@DiscipleofBarney Still am
>_<' The proof I just worked feels so dirty... full of case analysis. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious that should have yielded an analytical proof...
Bye @Ted
@JMoravitz Of what?
@JMoravitz Before I download a PDF, what is the topic?
22:49
Proving that the leveled set, $P$, in figure 4 does not yield a hamiltonian cycle symmetric chain partition for $P\times \underline{2}$
@DiscipleofBarney $G\cong N \rtimes H\iff$ $G=NH$, $N\cap H =\{e\}$ and $N$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ and $H$ is a subgroup, not necessarily normal $iff$ $G$ is a split extension of $H$ by $N$
Oh, not my department. I wouldn't know if there is an analytic proof anyway.
My proof involved a lot of string pulling and seeing what unravels,
which thankfully only really boiled down to two major cases
But it still feels quite dirty,
22:53
@Incurrence Yes
such is graph theory
@DiscipleofBarney So then $H_3(\Bbb Z)$ is isomorphic to a semidirect product
No, the whole point was to show the extention does not split

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