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the most convenient case of this map is $n = 1$, as $H_1$ is just maps from a bunch of circles. you can even derive the explicit isomorphism $\pi_1^{ab} \cong H_1$ from this now.
@Semiclassical Sure, but your integrand looks so differently. Even the numerator puts in trouble a lot.
well, not when $t=0$
@iwriteonbananas indeed.
in that case it reduces to exactly that kind of integral
you can try to prove it using this interpretation if you want
14:00
no i dont care about it very much right now
@Semiclassical Sure, but I was thinking you have in mind an approach for the general case.
im gonna read more about relative homology
then do exercise 2.1.17
yes, definitely. Hurewicz for n = 1 is not very useful, i agree.
homology is way easier to compute than $\pi_1$
:P
is it useful for other n?
sure. but what i mean is that, since that trick worked for $t=0$, i'd hoped it might still work for $t\neq 0$
problem is that the linear factors in the denominator seem to spoil that
14:02
@iwriteonbananas the general Hurewicz? yes! the general Hurewicz theorem also tells you that if $X$ is a CW-complex such that all the lower homology groups vanish, $H_n(X) \cong \pi_n(X)$. this is immensly helpful in homotopy theory.
@Semiclassical As I said, also $t=1$ is worth checking. Do you see an approach for this case?
it tells you, for example, that $\pi_n(S^n) \cong \Bbb Z$
that's pretty cool
no, i really don't
though, actually, i don't see what makes $t=1$ special
@iwriteonbananas but it's not helpful in homology theory, see. we are using homology to compute homotopy, so it's the other way :) homology theory is still the easiest invariant you can get.
okay, it's late. i think i need to run. have fun with relative homology groups.
14:05
@Semiclassical It is special. You might think of using some generalized beta functions.
@iwriteonbananas Boundary point of S just means that no matter how small you make its ball, it still has points both in and out of the set S
yeah that's pretty cool stuff
take care
E.g. $\forall r\gt 0, \exists a\in S,\exists b\in S^c | a,b\in N_r(p)$ [p is a boundary point]
@Incurrence yeah
i don't see why, sorry
14:06
oh i see u just got an answer
re: t=1, i mean
looking for some generalization of beta functions or polylogs did occur to me
im going for a run
peace out
@iwriteonbananas Yep, I saw that I had already proved it(since it is really simple from definition) but I wasn't sure how I should write it, but I see now obviously A->B->C is good
@iwriteonbananas Thanks for chat, cya Banana
but i didn't manage to find anything that looked hopeful
@Semiclassical Did you think to post it on main?
14:09
for various reasons, i'd rather not in this case (though i may yet decide to)
@Semiclassical OK. I know, I also don't like to post stuff from research on main.
yeah
when it's questions i come up with on my own, i like to post it
but when it's something that's related to research, i don't like 'outsourcing' it
@Semiclassical Sure, totally agree.
@Semiclassical Anyway, if you find a solution to it I say it's worth publishing an article.
aye. the solution itself is of physical interest in the case i'm working on, but it also seems like something of purely mathematical worth
especially if it really can be linked with Painleve stuff, somehow
@Incurrence Did you learn point-set topology already
14:14
@ᴇʏᴇs What defines point-set topology?
@Semiclassical Definitely.
one thing i might try is the 2D integral representation which gets used for the eta function (link)
hoping it might give something useful (no guarantees, though)
@Incurrence The study of closeness of spaces
@ᴇʏᴇs No then, I am starting to learn it now, and it seems enjoyable
Hello!! Is someone of you familiar with the Ackermann's function?
14:24
@MaryStar I am not sorry. Also be back in a min
@Semiclassical did you consider $a=0$ and $b=0$?
hadn't considered special cases, no, though i probably should
well, not that special case at any rate
@Semiclassical Or $a=1$ and $b=1$. If I find a closed form for this case when $t=1$ then I'm encouraged to dig up further.
I mean the particular forms also give an idea about the difficulty of the generalization. If I find terribly hard such a case I couldn't think of doing generalizations so easily.
true
the cases of specific interest for me, btw, are $(a,b)=(-1/2,1/2), (1/2,3/2)$
Like this one $$\int_1^{\infty} (x^2-1)/(1 +x + (x -1)e^x ) \ dx$$
14:31
Hello @ᴇʏᴇs and @Incurrence.
nod. for my cases i'm pretty much forced to deal with having square root factors
Hi @JasperLoy
which makes life even less pleasant. >_>
@Semiclassical maybe the best you can get is some series representation. This discussion reminds me of a problem I found a long time ago in a book for olympiad that I never solved. Maybe it's related to some extent to it.
14:34
Let me skim one of my books.
i think the large $t$ behavior should be a sum of decaying exponentials, and for literature reasons i think their prefactors should be modified bessel functions
and if were using somewhat different pairs of $(a,b)$, i might be able to show that explicitly
@MaryStar I have seen it but I am not that familiar with it
Hello @Semiclassical
$$\int \frac{e^x+1}{(e^x \sin(x)+\cos(x))(e^x \cos(x)-\cos(x))} \ dx$$
@Semiclassical I think it was about that.
oof. and that's an indefinite integral?
@Semiclassical Yeap, one that Mathematica doesn't recognize. Neither do I.
14:40
nasty
@Semiclassical I think there is a mistake above.
$$\int \frac{e^x+1}{(e^x \sin(x)+\cos(x))(e^x \cos(x)-\sin(x))} \ dx$$
ah
more symmetric that way, yeah
@Semiclassical I had to put a sine ...
@Semiclassical It's over my powers. Maybe the authors wanted some kind of series there? I don't know.
14:44
the denominator reminds of $e^{i x}=\cos x+i \sin x$
@Semiclassical Anyway, I just wanted to give you another example of somewhat similar integral to that one. But it's much to say that.
@Semiclassical I know the name of the authors, and I'm going to talk one day with some of the professors I know and try to reach them. I don't have yet the emails of the authors.
The denominator is $$\frac{1}{2}\left((e^{2x}-1)\sin 2x\right) -e^x\cos 2x$$ Not sure how that helps.
@ThomasAndrews: that's interesting, since the first factor in that factors as $(e^x+1)(e^x-1)$
can't say i know what to do with it, though
14:48
@ThomasAndrews hmmm, interesting.
@Semiclassical I'll probably write a letter using words like "With profound humble one of the greatest admirers of yours wanna ask mercy and receive a solution to the problem XXX". :-)
@Semiclassical How are you feeling these days?
eh, pretty good when i'm just working on stuff
on the other hand when it comes to actually delivering on stuff people are asking for, i'm back to anxiety / bad habits :/
You mean you cannot produce results?
depends on what one means by results
14:53
Publishable results?
if it's in terms of figuring stuff out, that's fine
if it's something i have to write up / present, that's where my anxiety enters
Have you tried therapy and meds?
been doing that for a while, yeah
it's been helpful, but it's hardly been a panacea
Yeah, more like a pancake.
14:56
@evinda Aha!
@evinda She is a star, just like me. I am Superman.
@JasperLoy Aha!
:p
@Incurrence Are you still awake?
@evinda You are also a star, the Aha star.
@Semiclassical lol, I cannot find anything about these guys (in terms of contact emails). One of them wrote a very good textbook for the 9th grade in high school that I have here.
15:00
that's frustrating
I think I should change my pic so that I do not look too much like Chris.
@evinda You're nuts, LOL.
LOL @JasperLoy
anyone around familiar with divisors of algebraic curves?
15:02
And @r9m might like to have his book here emag.ro/….
I only know 4 divides 8.
Nice song @MaryStar :)
When a famous soprano told a famous conductor who scolded her that she was a star, he said 'there are only stars in the sky'.
@Chris'ssis I cannot read Romanian, LOL.
@JasperLoy It's said it's a hard language to learn.
15:14
@Chris'ssis I know English and Chinese, I would like to learn French and German one day.
@JasperLoy Not bad.
Hi @Chris'ssis @JasperLoy
@Chris'ssis Just to read math articles if I want to be a mathematician, that is all.
@Chris'ssis Can you give me a limit to compute with $x\to\pm\infty$ please...
@Ramanewbie No (because I'm mean ;)).
15:16
@JasperLoy I can teach you German :-)
@MaryStar Are you from Germany?
@Chris'ssis Bouhouhou... Everybody's mean with me since a few days...
@JasperLoy I have studied the language
@MaryStar OK. I hope to be born in Germany in my next life.
15:29
Hi @JasperLoy
16:04
hi @sayan
16:34
@Ramanewbie I'm just mean, don't infer anything from that.
@robjohn Its just the lighting
@DiscipleofBarney I saw more when I expanded your avatar.
hi @robjohn ... I'm mean, too
16:49
@TedShifrin How can someone who shares his name with Teddy bears be mean?
Well, ask the third of my class who got D's and F's ... :P
@TedShifrin Ah, your torture room...
Indolent and unprepared students is not something I'm going to miss ... :)
"We were really supposed to read that?"
I have a nonsingular quartic curve $C$ and a divisor $D$ of degree 4 which is not canonical, I'd like to show $l(D) = 2$.

I know that by Riemann-Roch it's enough to show $l(K-D) = 0$ where $K$ is a canonical divisor.
with Riemann-Roch I always get into trouble trying to deal with $l(K-D)$..
16:59
well, sometimes, @JC574, it's hard to deal with. But start with its degree.
I have $\text{deg}(K-D) = 0$ right?
because $\deg K = 6 - 2 = 4$
where did that come from?
um, $deg K = 2g - 2$
we're on a quartic curve
wait
so you're using that and the genus formula in terms of degree?
yeah, quartic nonsingular curves have genus $3 = (2 \cdot 3) /2$
17:06
OK. Something's bothering me ...
I read about Clifford's Theorem online, would that break this proposition if $C$ is "hyperelliptic" and $D$ is not canonical but is a hyperelliptic divisor?
oh no, maybe that's not an "if and only if" condition for equality in Clifford's
I'm rusty. I resolved my confusion. Agh.
So you're right. $\deg(K-D) = 0$, so what do you conclude?
OK, I have 6 students in my office. Back later on ...
thanks! i'll work on this
17:32
Hello @Isomorphism !! Are you familiar with the Ackermann's function??
@MaryStar You seem to be asking a lot of people about Ackermann's function. Is Ross Millikan's answer lacking in some fashion?
17:46
@robjohn She is a star, she can ask many questions.
@JasperLoy so you're saying she is in the sky?
@robjohn Yes, like me.
17:59
@JasperLoy By the way, this is the type of girl my bro dreams of (I told him many times he wants too much from life, really ...). Such a girl can also heal all your diseases. :D
Monica Belluci
@Chris'ssis I think that must be you in the picture.
@JasperLoy lol, no. It's Monica Belluci.
I also have to admit she's magnificent. Indeed!
@Chris'ssis Maybe you are more beautiful than her?
@JasperLoy No, I'm just a nominal person, an average pattern in terms of beauty you would never ever remark (differently than so).
@Chris'ssis OK, still, I hope to meet you some day.
18:05
@JasperLoy OK
@Chris'ssis I am feeling very depressed now, so I will talk a lot of rubbish, sorry. I just think that I only have a 1 per cent chance of getting well.
@Chris'ssis I hope nobody flags the picture, LOL.
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@JasperLoy hahaha, that would be terrible! :-))))
@Chris'ssis Let me show you what kind of girl I like...
@JasperLoy OK
@Chris'ssis
18:10
@JasperLoy I see.
@JasperLoy ^^^ another favourite of my bro.
lol @JasperLoy
@Chris'ssis Tomorrow, the SE staff will suspend both of us for life for posting these pictures.
18:14
next we will find you guys sharing inappropriate photos of girls :D
All pictures are child safe.
@JasperLoy lol, no, why? :-) They are people just like us.
@JasperLoy Since you like stars, you will also like @MaryStar
@evinda I am too old, I am 34 this year.
@JasperLoy Moreover, my bro also analyzes them mathematically ... (so, there is some context to post them even here) ;)
18:15
@JasperLoy Why? How old is she?
@evinda I don't know, lol.
@MaryStar How old are you?
@Chris'ssis I will show you which guys I think are handsome.
I am 23 @evinda
lol @JasperLoy
18:17
@JasperLoy 11 years... it's not a too great difference.. lol
@JasperLoy Since you're a boy, this sounds weird to me. :-)
I'm out for some jogging. BBL (60-90 min)
@Chris'ssis C U
I can guarantee you @evinda that the pictures will be gone tmr, LOL.
What do you mean? @JasperLoy
@evinda People will flag them or mods will remove them, LOL.
I find him very attractive:
What do you think of him?
@JasperLoy what is your opinion about him?
18:28
@user159870 Not attractive. Is that you?
probably
No, but I look similiar @JasperLoy
@user159870 I see. If you have a good character and I am a girl I might still like you.
@JasperLoy Who's the hottest girl in the chat ?
@LeGrandDODOM No idea, because I have seen none of them.
@JasperLoy really ? I think JessicaK is quite pretty
What do you think of him @JasperLoy ?
Have you spoken to her? @LeGrandDODOM
what kind of discussion is this
lool
lets define attractiveness based on symmetry
@user159870 I can't remember
18:33
Do you find her attractive @JasperLoy ?
Why don't you speak to her ? @LeGrandDODOM <3
@KarimMansour How would you define it?
@user159870 could you stop hotlinking pictures ? It takes up a lot of space and it's quite awkward
@user159870 Not really.
@LeGrandDODOM Me too.
hey guys
anyone want to discuss topology ?
@user159870 So so.
I think we will all get banned soon, LOL.
18:39
@KarimMansour i dont get the intuitive idea behind matrices
Why cant we just consider a set
of ordered pairs
yikes i just came to the wrong room.
leaves
its just a way of representing them @SayanChattopadhyay the reason we consider them this way is because of linear transformation
for example
any matrix can be considered as a linear transformation from R^n to R^m
that is the reason we defined matrix multiplication that way
Oh thats the reason
@SayanChattopadhyay what kind of intuitive ideas do you want?
you can think of a square matrix as an n-dimensional parallelogram if you want.
@BalarkaSen
you want to discuss topology ?
18:43
@Karim
yes, why not.
Let X be a Hausdorff space, let K be a compact subset of X, and let
U1 and U2 be open subsets of X such that K ⊆ U1 ∪ U2. Then, there are compact
sets K1 and K2 of X such that K1 ⊆ U1, K2 ⊆ U2, and K = K1 ∪ K2.
For example Balarka we defined sets on the basic idea as collection of just random stuff but on the other hand matrices are just a list of entries
this result here
I want to discuss if my intuition is correct
@SayanChattopadhyay It's not just a list of entries. You can add and multiply matrices, bear that in mind.
i am not talking about the operations on it? its just the idea of how you end up stumbling on them
18:46
@KarimMansour OK, so what's the question?
It's a true statement. I presume you can prove it?
1 moment typing
so the reason this works is because K is compact subset of set which we can think of it as being "finite" so that is why we can break them into "pieces"
@SayanChattopadhyay OK, so you are looking for the original motivation. It's about solving system of linear equations.
I proved it but I am just want to get the intuition
Have a look at Chapter 1 of Hoffman-Kunze. You can write a system as the equation $AX = B$ and deduce the addition and multiplication rules from that.
yeah
actually a matrix is just linear transformation
which is nice
18:48
So if i want to group up the solutions of a system of linear equations then i use a matrix
@KarimMansour That's also true : something like Cayley's theorem.
yeah
@BalarkaSen what do you think of my intuition ?
@KarimMansour Eh, kind of. The thing is that you can always refine open covers of $K$ to a finite subcover.
Can someone check my answer here math.stackexchange.com/questions/1228749/… The OP is questioning my sanity
oh I see
I see
18:57
@Karim I wouldn't call compactness as finiteness. $(0, 1)$ is finite, but not compact. On the other hand, some people would argue that it looks "infinite-like", but then I could argue about the cantor set being compact.
no when I say finite I mean finite in measure
@BalarkaSen
i dunno what you mean by measure
that its measure its finite and a measure you can think of it as assigning a length to sets

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