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00:19
Well, $(0, \infty)$ is left-bounded. But it's not right-bounded.
Do you want an interval that's similarly bounded or one that is neither left- nor right-bounded?
Oh, I see. Do you want one that is unbounded with the same metric from above?
00:34
Because I didn't note any easy way to show that I can place the limit inside the integral, I used that way I showed you @robjohn $\lim_{a\to 0} \int_0^{\infty} \dfrac{1-e^{-a y}}{y}\arctan(1/y)$.
That's why I also asked @DanielFischer. Maybe @TedShifrin can explain that swapping ...
Maybe I miss an obvious way (out for some sleep).
@robjohn at any rate, I'm glad I have that elementary way. No need to explain a swapping in this not-comfortable case.
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@Karlo I was going to, but i can't.
00:52
@Karlo same. But it is like SOO expensive
@Fargle Hello!
@JulianRachman Hi!
how is life in tennesse
?
Pretty alright, I guess. Nothing much going on.
Oh. Haha. Nice. What are you currently learning?
g'evening all.
01:00
Stuff about dual spaces in abstract algebra, and more counting of permutations and combinations in combinatorics.
What about yourself?
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@JulianRachman I have commented on your answer at Area 51 here: discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/19541/…
@Fargle Nice!
I am just beginning the basis of topology and trying to built the motivation for it by means of metric spaces.
Hi @anon
01:22
@Chris'ssis in that case, everything is positive and so there is no problem swapping.
Hello,why the bool functions for n=2 we have 4x16 table from $f_1 ... f_16$
@Chris'ssis I have completed the telescoping and cancelling, and got $\frac32-\log(\pi)$ as expected.
why some are properties of relations?
got it nvm
 
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02:39
How does function with constant increase of 2 looks like? 1,3,7,13,21...
02:55
@Ilya_Gazman huh?
@anon i need to be able to find the n number for that function
And I just don't know how to do it
@Ilya_Gazman it depends on context and definition of "constant increase"
step 1: be able to describe the function properly
that will be the gateway to a formula
or wait for Thomas to spell it out :)
f(n + 1) - f(n) = 2n
f(0) = 1
How to calculate f(n)?
I'll assume you are working with sequences or functions on the natural numbers. If "constant increase of 2" means $f(n)+2=f(n+1)$, then it would be an arithmetic progression like $3,5,7,9,11,\dots$. If "constant increase of 2" means the rate increases by 2, then it would be something more like $1,3,7,13,21,\dots$
02:58
@JMoravitz the rate increase by 2
so f(n)=1+(2+4+...+2n) whenever n>0
know how to calculate (2+4+...+2n)?
what if I told you to factor a 2 out?
2(1+2+...+n), how about that?
I feel bed about it, but I have no clue :(
no, nvm. i'm an idiot
03:00
@Ilya_Gazman 1+2+...+n is a very famous sum in mathematics. look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_number
even so, I still feel like its offset a bit. If as you say $f(n)=1+2T(n)$, then $f(n+1)-f(n)=2n+2$ instead of $2n$. It seems rather to be $f(n)=1+2T(n-1)$
is 1 the 0th term in the sequence, and 3 the 1st term, and 7 the 2nd term? i.e. does f(0)=1, f(1)=3, f(2)=7, ...?
@anon I just been reading it. I don't understand it. The numbers not working for me
@Ilya_Gazman As for proof of the triangle numbers' closed form, if you have $1+2+3+\dots+8+9+10=S$, to find $S$ you can instead try to find $2S$.
$2S = S+S=(1+2+3+\dots+9+10) + (10+9+\dots+2+1)$ I just reversed the direction I wrote the numbers in in the second parenthesis
Now, pair up each addend in each parenthesis: $2S = (1+10)+(2+9)+\dots+(9+2)+(10+1) = (11)+(11)+\dots+(11) = 10\cdot 11$
Now, since this last equation equalled $2S$, divide by 2., to get $1+2+\dots+9+10 = \frac{10\cdot 11}{2}$
Does it end up $n(n+1)$ ?
03:09
In general, if you start adding at $1$ and stop adding at $n$, it is what we call the $n^{th}$ triangle number, often denoted as $T(n)$, and will equal $\frac{n(n+1)}{2}$
for n = 3 it become 6
while in my case its 7
It should be: 1,3,7,13,21,31... The rate increase by two each time.
because $f(n) = 1+2T(n-1)$, not $f(n)=T(n)$
Sorry, I don't understand. So what should f(n)?
Lets see if it is infact offset at all., $f(0)$ should be 1., so I'm thinking it will be $f(n)=1+2T(n)$ afterall. $f(0)=1+2T(0) = 1+2\cdot0 = 1$., and then $f(1)=1+2T(1) = 1+2\cdot 1 = 3$., $f(2)=1+2T(2) = 1+2\cdot 3 = 1+6=7$, $f(3)=1+2\cdot 6 = 1+12 = 13\dots$
my mistake @anon
So, $f(n) = 1+2T(n) = 1+2\cdot \frac{n(n+1)}{2} = 1+n(n+1) = n^2+n+1$
Ilya, if you want f(0)=1, f(1)=3, f(2)=7, etc. then your condition should be f(n+1)-f(n)=2(n+1), not 2n
03:18
That's just $2^n - 1$.
@Chantry it begins the same, but $f(3)=13\neq 15$
according to what we've been given to understand
Oh, I see what he's doing.
03:34
@JMoravitz By the way, op posted the question [math.stackexchange.com/questions/1131343/….
Funny, that.
I been saved
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A: 1,3,7,13,21,31 what come next?

Modded Bear$f(n)=n^2$ goes $1,4,9,16,25,36,49$, it has the correct rate increase but the increase starts too fast. $f(n)=n^2-n$ goes $0,2,6,12,20,30,42$ has the correct rate increase and initial increase. but it starts too small. $f(n)=n^2-n+1$ fits perfectly.

@Ilya_Gazman Are you aware that $$\sum n = \frac{n(n+1)}{2}?$$
@Chantry @Ilya_Gazman the difference between the answer posted and mine is a difference of $2n$. In fact, his answer goes $1,1,3,7,13,\dots$ where $f(0)=1$ and $f(1)=1$. It was my understanding that $1$ corresponded to the $0^{th}$ term and $3$ corresponded to the $1^{st}$ term.
The way you phrased the question in your questionpost does not mention that the sequence starts with the $0^{th}$ term, and the answerer assumed that it was starting from the $1^{st}$ term
03:52
What does the left side of the principle of inclusion and exclusion mean
what about the wikipedia article don't you understand?
Good evening
I tried
but applied in problems
for example if we have students who know 3 languages
@Karlo I didn't ask if you tried, I asked what you don't understand. the left side of the equation is a union, and the wikipedia article links to a page about unions. is that what you were having trouble with?
It seems that A is always the number of things and the difference between the left side which is uniting sets and the right thing on the right side which is intersecting sets are opposite?the second one shows how many elements have this property and the other how many don't
@anon got it
04:04
has anyone here looked into the vaccine research? it seems to be topical these days, and with a baby on the way I'm trying to look into it myself
Try the biology room :)
is there one?
@Lepidopterist The overwhelming scientific consensus on the subject is that vaccine usage is good. Any articles floating around the internet claiming that "vaccines cause autism" should generally be ignored as there isn't even a correlation between the two in the first place.
@JMoravitz i don't care about media consensus, i care about good research. I am suspicious of bullying in science, and I never said anything about autism
04:07
> media consensus
science is not about scientific consensus, it's about the scientific method
thanks @infinitesimal
there have been many periods in the history of science in which scientists and doctors have killed people because of their lousy science
scientific consensus has historically been unreliable - in medicine particularly
@Lepidopterist unless you're going to do all of the relevant science yourself or read and evaluate all of the relevant literature yourself, you are relying on scientific consensus, for all the science topics out there.
04:11
i have many reasons to look into medical statistics by myself. i simply do not trust the math and methodology of many of their studies. look at the nutrition field, for instance. i'm afraid in this day in age my trust is limited when it comes to personal health
you can't make up an epidemic going nearly extinct.
but okay, whatever floats your boat. your kids.
Get vaccinations for your kids(I haven't read above for the record)
You should ask a specialist. @Lepidopterist
Immunologist
:-)
@anon, i doubt doubt that vaccines work. they can be dangerous and work on large-population scale
The incidence of apparent autism is lower than the incidence of health problems based on sickness. The autism thing is based off of ONE falsified(for monetary gain) study. Autism isn't as bad as your kids dying and/or killing other kids who have immune issues. The list goes on @Lepid
04:13
I give up
@Lepidopterist I don't doubt*? Or You do doubt?
i didn't mention autism
What in particular are you concerned about with regards to vaccines? Their effectiveness in preventing disease? Their potential ineffectiveness against certain diseases? Their supposed link to autism? Their potential link to other side-effects?
and there are many different kinds of vaccines
@Lepidopterist Well you have to have done little to no research before coming here and talking about this, so I will just drop out of this conversation
04:14
i'm concerned that they are a multi-billion dollar operation and there seems to be little transparency. i am concerned about the increase in the incidence of many neurological illnesses in my lifetime.
anyway, i didn't draw any conclusions. strange that i'm getting a backlash.
i'm asking for references!
use google
Apologies then, I guess I have dealt with a number of parents who are against vaccinations
@Lepidopterist it is not strange you are getting backlash; the majority of people using your talking points are trolling or rationalizing a dangerous medical position
google is a minefield. it's very hard to find the research pro-vaccine people use. and anti-vaccine people are pretty diverse. some are nutjobs
learn how to use google
04:16
@Lepidopterist It is very clear that vaccinations work, so really you only need to look for downsides
@anon, what talking points? i don't think highly of scientists who blindly trust disciplines with well known problems with reproducing their results
right @Committingtoachallenge, it's a matter of understanding the upsides and downsides for each particular vaccine
nature.com/nrd/journal/v10/n9/full/nrd3439-c1.html "A 2011 study found that 65% of medical studies were inconsistent when re-tested, and only 6% were completely reproducible."
@Lepidopterist "I don't trust scientists; it's all about the money; they're hiding things; what about the side effects, etc." are the ones that don't include autism. balance and proportion are two different things: you can balance pros with cons, or you can look at how big they are relative to each other.
you talk about the overall field, but then don't seem aware that vaccines are one of the most fundamental crowning achievements of all of medical science - not some obscure topic with inconsistent results in the literature that the media has been making spinny buzz about ever since measles and polio.
it takes some serious muster-passing to become textbook and not just somewhere on the record in the literature
@anon you must be well aware of the difference between the pure vaccine and the delivery methods used. and the difference between "one dose" vaccines and multi-dose vaccines which require more than just the dose to keep them fresh. i know enough about the biology and epidemiological results to know that many vaccines have an effect
there is nothing inconsistent with vaccines being powerful tools with their having dangers, or with particular ways of delivering the vaccine having dangers
@Lepidopterist What is your specific concern? What is your current stance?
@Lepidopterist do as you wish. if you're a biologist there's no reason to troll/trawl a math chatroom.
04:25
My current stance is skepticism. I have only read epidemiological studies so far (a tricky, unreliable methodology usually). It's suggestive, but I am looking to see how vaccines are tested for side-effects. Some have famously given adverse reactions to people. I have experience with known drugs that go to market that are later recalled because of new data. I want to be careful
i'm not a biologist, I study math. Anyway, I do not want to be seen as trolling anyone. I'm genuinely interested. We can drop the subject
@Lepidopterist Ask on skeptics stack exchange? There is very likely already a thread with high votes, go search it.
Thanks @Committingtoachallenge. I will look for that
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04:31
It's interesting, though, how suspicious common people have become of medicine. I think there was a period when most people trusted doctors and medical research
If you tolerate skeptics you will have to tolerate some cranks. Heretics drive scientific revolutions, though. Dyson has a good essay on that
If there's anything more insufferable than a crank, it's the "I f***ing love science" crowd that parrots whatever they think intelligent people should be saying, without thinking for themselves
A lot of beliefs high-IQ people adopt are meant to signal their intelligence to other high-IQ people
I guess you haven't met enough cranks, then. @Lepidopterist :)
:) I've met my fair share @ThomasAndrews. I find them harmless, though annoying.
04:49
@BreakfastBurritos You can't talk until 20 minutes or so after you get 20 rep
05:01
@Lepidopterist So are you actually strongly interested in Lepidoptera?
Quick question: Why is the Legendre symbol multiplicative? Specifically the case when $a, b$ are not both squares modulo $p$? Is there an intuitive way to understand this without resorting to Euler's Criterion?
05:22
hi all
interested in testing some stupid web app where I've been spending way too much time on ? @infinitesimal
:p
05:39
@Kasper What is it?
@Kasper What was your previous chat name Kasper(assuming you had one)?
my previous chat name was kasper as well
but I don't think we have chat very much
I've posted one thing in your challange topic I guess.
@Kasper My challenge topic? Is this study plan...?
@Kasper That is very nice!
I mean, your chat topic I guess
(like 2 months ago)
Oh yes, I see, true
@Kasper So you are a Math and CS student?
Wel math student, and I like doing stupid things with javascript or google dart
I want to make the perfect math web app.
05:51
@Kasper Oh very cool. I really want to get into coding, but never seem to commit
@Kasper The perfect math web app, what does that involve?
And what is the target audience? Research Mathematicians, Math students, students in general?
An editor, that makes you type math, faster than you can write it. Some kind of wysiswyg hybrid, so that you see what you are actually writing. Something that exports to LaTeX.
@Kasper I see, that would be nice
Then something that can organize all the exercises that you've put in the web app.
'CoffeeTeX2.0' nice :)
Mark exercise that you understand, mark exercises that you want to look at again some other time.
:)
Do you know coffeescript ?
05:55
@Kasper This is actually really really cool. Do you know how to allow me to centre my math code and such?
I don't understand your question. How to center math code in latex you mean ?
@Kasper I don't, no, I just gave it a little google and it appears to be a math java compiler
@Kasper On your unicode thing I mean, how can I $$aa$$
you could do type $$ select it, press alt, then space, then press $$$$
then press tab, then press -2, then press 2x enter
sorry not -2, but -3
and then pressing $$ ALT ALT should give you a shortcut that centers automatic
@Kasper Oh I see, cool stuff :)
if you press / and then alt
06:02
I think I will give it a trial on my blog so I don't have to keep typing $latex xyz$
you should get also a center fraction
mathjax does look a little bit better often then pure unicode
I'll still latex $\int_1^\infty \frac{x}{y} \,dy$ etc
ah that way
Just when I am typing stuff like $latex \operatorname{Dim} \mathcal{V}$
mathjax also accepts unicode a bit, so if you do $ℝ$
it will render correctly
06:04
Over and over, I would rather just Dim 𝒱
yeah, not a big difference
(Not that chat here deals with unicode $\mathcal{V}$)
this is the old version, but much more feature complete, only the code is crap, so I'm trying to rebuild it
@Kasper First thing I did was type $$$$ and then go to the centre to type \frac{1}{2}, but this makes weird stuff happen
yeah, it is not really meant to type latex directly
you type coffeetex, and it will convert it to latex
try posting this:
⟦𝐄𝐱𝐞𝐫𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐞.[Opgave 1.1]
⁅(a+b)∕(c+d)⁆


⟦𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐟.

to the editor
⟦𝐄𝐱𝐞𝐫𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐞.[Opgave 1.1]
⁅(a+b)∕(c+d)⁆
the last one works better
do you have a right command key on your keyboard ?
ah, that is good, so if you type $ and then right command key
it should give you the all in one math parenthesis
it is like $...$ and $$...$$ and gather and align all in one
06:16
On Coffee tex 1 or 2?
tex 1
⁅a+b ≞ 3 ↵
≞ c+d⁆
if you paste this, it will export to align
This is inline math ⁅√{2+3}⁆.
Oh yeah, nice. But the right cmd doesn't do anything for me
oh hmm.. well that is why I'm making coffeetex 2 :)
@Kasper Haha okay awesome, I look forward to it more complete :)
kasperpeulen.github.io/CoffeeTeX2.0/build/web if you press right command key here, you will get a message underneath with your keycode
(at coffeetex 2.0) can you tell me what your right command keycode is ?
just curious
that is weird :P, that should be ctrl I thought
Oh whoops sorry haha
My keyboard doesn't have any stuff written on it
oh hm, probably is ctrl
I have just used this black keyboard with no text on it for years
Yeah my bad it is
right command key, should be 93 I guess
or 92 maybe
wow, no text, that sounds kind of hard :P
06:22
The windows key is 92 and the key to its right that I never use is 93
I have literally never used this 93 key ever(before now)
well that key, should make coffeetex 1.0 work
@Kasper Oh yes, wow that is pretty nice
It doesn't render some of its own code though
⁅4⁄3 ⨉ 3⁆
That square is * 93 6
looks like this for me
or copy this:
**The Lorenz Equations**

⁅ẋ & = σ(y-x) ↵
ẏ & = ρx - y - xz ↵
ż & = -βz + xy⁆

**The Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality**

⁅􀀤∑k0 ab􀀫⁲ ≤􀀤∑k0 a⁲􀀫􀀤∑k0 b⁲ 􀀫⁆

**A Cross Product Formula**

**Maxwell’s Equations**

⁅∇×𝐁⃗ -  1∕c  (∂𝐄⃗)∕(∂t) & = (4π)∕c 𝐣⃗ ↵
∇⋅𝐄⃗ & = 4 πρ ↵
∇×𝐄⃗  +  1∕c  (∂𝐁⃗)∕(∂t) & = 𝟎⃗ ↵
∇⋅𝐁⃗ & = 0⁆
@Kasper Weird, everything you put up worked perfect, but that big $\times$ works on the left, but is a square on the right.
hm.. that is strange
06:38
You know what I just observed
It doesn't work on mobile :-(
I often talk with parenthesis to clarify things(like this) in my standard chat text, and I looked up in this chat and found many other people also do this here, so to see if it was a math thing I checked my uni math page, and many of the students were also doing it there. I have not seen this on any other uni page(non math)
Wow. That HTML failure though
What (do) you (mean) by (that)? :-) @Committingtoachallenge
Greetings
06:44
It is because mathematics bases itself on countless assumptions.
Greetings my friend
@robjohn hmm, but we don't even know if the integral exists at that point. I know this works when swapping the series and integrals. Let me think ...
Real conversation on my uni math page:

"There was last year when [name redacted] took it, but before that, there wasn't usually any number theory.
[name redacted]'s an awesome teacher, but he often sets very challenging, time-consuming assignments - in many ways, this is a good thing, because you'll learn a lot through doing that, and what's the point of doing a course if it's not going to challenge you? (When I had him for this course in 2013, he set weekly assignments that each took about 5 hours to complete; there was a lot of mixed feedback out of that, so I'm not sure if he's going to
Double nested parenthesis
07:00
Too little structure in a regular sentence (I guess)
@JulianRachman What HTML failure?
Kasper's equation up a few comments.
copy it and paste that failure here:
http://kasperpeulen.github.io/CoffeeTeX/Functietheorie.html
@Chris'ssis Are you saying that all the integrals may be infinite, yet the integral of the limit is $0$?
@Kasper Oh haha. :)
07:05
@robjohn I'm just trying to understand what you said since I know no such theorem. I don't say it's wrong, I'm investigating (and vaguely remember a counterexample, but just vaguely).
@Chris'ssis If we don't have that even one of the integrals exist, then we can't apply dominated convergence.
@Chris'ssis However, the sequence is dominated by the integral for $a=1$, is it not?
@robjohn but how you can show this?
@Chris'ssis near $0$, the integrand is near $a\pi/2$ and near infinity, it is near $1/y^2$.
@robjohn Right. Since it's domniated all is fine.
@robjohn Let me see how you finished that series yesterday.
07:22
@Chris'ssis It didn't turn out as neat looking as I had hoped, but none of the approaches I tried came out simple.
@robjohn Having given the problem, I think the approach is very nice.
@robjohn It's a cute product.
@Chris'ssis There are 3 telescoping series... one in $(1)$ and 2 in $(3)$
@robjohn Yeah, I saw.
But I like the identity $$\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac{\zeta(2n)-1}{n+1}=\frac32-\log(\pi)$$
@robjohn O_o
07:26
@robjohn The approach by generating functions is horrible. As in many other cases, the nicest approach is by using series, avoiding as much as possible the use of the integrals.
@Chris'ssis Not so bad... I almost had it finished when I switched to the telescoping series.
@robjohn Mathematica showed me an integral with a lot of polylogarithms when evaluated.
@Chris'ssis The integral I had to compute may have been harder than I was thinking
@robjohn I think so.
@Chris'ssis If you integrate each part by itself... but not if you combine them.
It boils down to $$\int_0^1\left(\pi x\cot(\pi x)+\frac2{1-x^2}\right)x\,\mathrm{d}x=\log(\pi)$$
07:32
@robjohn That's a cute integral though.
@Chris'ssis Between that sum and this integral, that problem gave way to a couple of nice identities :-)
@robjohn I know! This happens to me too while working on some nice questions. I mean I start with a question and at the end of the solution I realize I have another problems ready to tackle. :-)
@Chris'ssis I might append that integral alongside the sum after my answer.
@robjohn Yeap, it's not a bad idea. Maybe some will ask you how you evaluate it ... :D
@Chris'ssis This integral follows from the sum which follows from the product :-)
07:38
btw, let me see something at this integral ...
@Chris'ssis showing any of the three shows the others.
@robjohn Did you see that $$\int_0^1\left(\pi x\cot(\pi x)+\frac2{1-x^2}\right)x\,\mathrm{d}x=\int_0^1\left(\pi \cot(\pi x)+\frac2{1-x^2}\right)x\,\mathrm{d}x$$? :D
@Chris'ssis By substituting $x\mapsto1-x$
@robjohn Not it looks simpler. Some substitution combined with the integration by parts should make it very easy.
@Chris'ssis yes, I was working on that integral before taking up the telescoping series
@Chris'ssis yep. I was almost to the point of using that instead.
07:45
@robjohn I initially thought the integral might be more difficult, but no.
@robjohn I prefer the series approach (in general).
@Chris'ssis In general, I prefer the series approaches, but if the integral is simpler, I will go with that.
@robjohn Agree.
07:58
@RobertCardona Maybe like this.
 
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10:26
Heelo, please, to sustain his doctorate it nead's papers, to accept a paper they look to the date of sending or the date of acceptance?
11:02
Hello everybody!!!
Hello there.
What's up?
Relaxing. Pretending to be productive.
11:21
Nice
Is anyone here familar with elliptic curves?
I have this question:
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Q: Determine if $E(\mathbb{Q})$ is finite or infinite.

evindaIt is given the following algebraic curve: $$ZY^2=X^3+3XZ$$ I want to find the group of rational points of finite order $E(\mathbb{Q})_{\text{torsion}}$ and to determine if $E(\mathbb{Q})$ is finite or infinite. I thought the corresponding curve in affine coordinates is: $Y^2=X^3+3X$ with $a=3...

Hi@DonLarynx
@sayan hi
Hi @Ramanewbie
Whass up
@sayan nothing special, and you ?
Same old story
I m losing marks in my exam coz of considering the diameter as the radius
Such a shame
11:31
@sayan what is ?
What?@Ramanewbie
@sayan what is such a shame ?
Making such a mistake
I m such an idiot
what is it @sayan
To consider the diameter as the radius in a question and loose marks
11:45
oh ok @sayan
It is bad right
I don't know... @sayan
@SayanChattopadhyay It's just a few marks, it's OK.
12:23
Hello!! Is someone familiar with exams in german language??
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13:26
@Chris'ssis: I went back to the generating function approach since it looks cleaner
@robjohn Will you delete the other way?
@Chris'ssis I overwrote it. I could add it as another answer.
@Chris'ssis it is still in the previous edit
@robjohn OK
@Chris'ssis You can see it here
13:54
@robjohn It's not there.
14:37
@math110 hello there
hello,
Hey @RobertCardona
Could you take a look at my question? http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1131121/determine-if-e-mathbbq-is-finite-or-infinite
@robjohn Trying to explain all (like swapping integrals order) in my book will probably turn my book into a mess at least for 2 reasons: 1). some proofs become pretty large and complex while doing that 2). the reader might be scared and abandon many nice proofs because of these details that might turn a $2$ pages proof or less into a $4-5$ pages proof.
It took me more than 4 pages to explain all. @robjohn I simply cannot go this way.
@robjohn I hope I won't annoy anyone saying that, but one needs to be a good professional to get that completely and perfectly done, explaining all the steps. Some readers might have problems following that way.

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