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@DanielFischer Okay! I've bookmarked it.I wish I'll see answered
@Hakim It definitely converges. Put above $\zeta(2)$ and you're done. The series is smaller than $\zeta(2)(e-1)$.
Ah, I feel your pain. I've been fighting a cold too! It feels like I have waterfalls pouring out of my eyes and nose, @teadawg1337. We're all gonna make it. ^_^
@Integrator You have a good chance of seeing it answered.
@Khallil Not much, I have very little free time these days. What about you?
@DanielFischer I found it at this site: http://www.geeksforgeeks.org/sort-n-numbers-range-0-n2-1-linear-time/
Could you explain me how they do this?
14:02
@DanielFischer That's great. I'll get back to you with another question!
@Chris'ssis There's an urban legend among Japanese students about the guy name Kunihiko Chikaya. His calculus problems specially integrals are very awesome & fantastic. I've tried to make contact with him many times, but he always ignores my messages. You might be interested in knowing his integral problems.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Never heard of.
Any measure-theorists around? :D
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I used to know him, indeed he has some very interesting problems.
Not much really. Analysis is pretty cool, but getting used to the definitions and gathering the motivation to do it are pretty hard, @Hakim.
14:05
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 You are from Crimea? I had to do a final project this semester on it
@Khallil Which textbook are you using?
@Alyosha I'm not very good at thinking categorically, to be honest. If you've seen MacLane's category theory for the working mathematician, there's a nice discussion in it about what it means for functors to be adjoint.
@Chris'ssis You may try to google it. Btw, @N3buchadnezzar mentioned his name in this answer:
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A: Some users are mind bogglingly skilled at integration. How did they get there?

N3buchadnezzarPersonal Background I am by no means any expert at integration, but I've have done a fair share of it. Integration is like a hoby to me. Instead of solving puzzles, or riddles is solve integrals. As an example I am in the process of writing some personal notes on integration. Hopefully at least ...

I have my own intuition but I think it's the wrong one, so I'd rather not share.
I've been looking for one! I've only been going on the weekly assignment booklets that I've received. Any recommendations, @Hakim?
14:07
@MikeMiller Thanks again!
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 You mean Kunny?
@Hakim Ya, me too. Somehow I love his problem collections. Where do you know him?
@user130018 Unfortunately, I am not
@Chris'ssis Ya, lots of my Japanese friends always mention his name when we discuss school stuff
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I don't know if it's unfortunate that you are not from there...from the research I did, it's not a very good position to be in
@Khallil Tao / Analysis I & II, it's crystal clear and it focuses heavily on intuition although there are no illustrations.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 The days when I had an fb account
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 As regards all those very good at integrals, series and limits I'd ask them if they see in this more an art than a simple math job. I consider what I do is an art first. What's your opinion?
14:12
@user130018 Compared to Syria or Gaza Strip, it is still much better place to live
@KonradVoelkel This theorem is given: Let the algebraic curve $f(x_0, x_1, x_2) \in K[x_0, x_1, x_2]$. The inflection points are the non-singular points of the curve that are the intersection points with the hessian.

We have the curve $x^3+y^3+z^3=0$ and the hessian is equal to $216 \cdot x \cdot y \cdot z$.

So we have to solve the system $216 \cdot x \cdot y \cdot z=0$ and $x^3+y^3+z^3=0$.

From $216 \cdot x \cdot y \cdot z=0$ we have that $x=0$ or $y=0$ or $z=0$.

Then we will have the equation $a^3=-b^3$, where $a,b \in \{x,y,z\}$, right? But how can we find now the inflection points?
@Chris'ssis I might try $$H_n^{(2)}=-\int_0^1\log(t)\frac{1-t^{n+1}}{1-t}\mathrm{d}t$$
@robjohn I went that way, but it doesn't work. You get an hard-to-approach integral at last.
@Khallil As an alternative there's also Abbott's Understanding Analysis.
@Hakim Are you connecting with him on FB?
14:16
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I was before I deleted my FB.
@evinda They work on the assumption that the arithmetic operations (arr[i]/exp)%n and the copying of array elements take $O(1)$ time. As long as you're within machine types, that is the case, but then $\log n$ is also bounded - oh, wait, $n$ itself is also bounded - so talking about algorithmic complexity doesn't strictly make sense. If you assume that the arithmetic operations take bounded time, you have an $O(n)$ algorithm. If you take the time the arithmetic operations actually take ...
... into account, then it's $O(n\log n)$ or worse - but to be fair, the comparisons in a comparison sort then also cannot be assumed $O(1)$, so it's still a gain in algorithmic complexity.
AFK for a while.
@Chris'ssis I get $$\int_0^1\frac{\log(t)}{1-t}(e^t-e)\,\mathrm{d}t$$
@Chris'ssis Maybe our viewpoint of art is different
@Hakim That's bad. I wish I could make a contact with him trough you
@robjohn Yeah, that integral with $t e^t$ is not friendly.
Thanks for the recommendations, @Hakim! ^_^
14:23
Hi @Anastasiya-Romanova秀 happy to see you again :)
@user130018 What exactly on Crimea?
@Khallil You're welcome. ;-)
@Sawarnik It's a long story
@Sawarnik I wrote 25 pages on it
Hi guys, probability question here. I was trying to calculate, $f_{X,Y}(x,y)$ for two dependent continuous random variables. So I thought about calculating $d/dx d/dy P(X\leq x, Y \leq y)$, my solution manual however calculates : $d/dx d/dy P(X\leq x, Y \geq y)$ and then claims that this is equal to $-f_{X,Y}(x,y)$. I'm not sure if this is general true, or if I have to see this from the given situation.
@Sawarnik Ya, nice to see you too
because it sounds like work of an arts student :/
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 What is this Chinese character you added in your name? :D
14:26
@DanielFischer I knew that this was going to happen
@user130018 Wow :D But why? :O
@Saw Because it was a requirement for a final project
@user130018 What it has to do with a math degree?
@Saw Remember I'm in America...
@Kasper both seem valid to me
14:27
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 It's nice that you started to access review queues.
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@anon halp.
@anon I don't see why the method of the book is valid.
wut
@Integrator Steps towards a mod.
@anon cech nerves
14:28
dunno anything cech
@Kasper you don't see why the book's expression gives you -f ?
@Sawarnik @Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I can see that..
Yes
Anastasiya as mod .. would be interesting :D
@Kasper so then what's the issue? I don't necessarily see why they would be doing it that way, but that's a different question.
14:29
@Chris'ssis Have you tried Sum[HarmonicNumber[n, 2]/n!, {n, 1, Infinity}] ?
I don't see why the book expression gives me -f.
@Chris'ssis It gives me $0$
@robjohn lol, yeah. I forgot to tell you. :-) The same value to me!
@anon at least cech my work :P
I understand why they are doing it, because that expression is much simpler in the given situation, but I don't see why it is true, that $d/dx d/dy P(X<x, Y>y) = - f_{X,Y} (x,y)$
14:31
@Kasper you don't see why $\frac{d}{dx}\frac{d}{dy}\int_{-\infty}^x\int_y^\infty f_{X,Y}(u,v)dvdy=-f_{X,Y}(x,y)$?
@Sawarnik We shouldn't say much!!
@Sawarnik That's a simple Pinyin. You can use Google Translate to know it
@Integrator Yup :D
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I see. Is Chinese your mothertongue?
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 秀 means beautiful. right?
@Integrator Since I have nothing to do here other than reviewing. I have no interest to get any rep at the moment
14:33
@Sawarnik Tongue :P
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 You can reach 10k and get familiar with mod tools. That might help you.
@Sawarnik Chinese refer to person/ people, not language
@anon oh wait, maybe I see that
@Integrator Kinda
because the sign turns with $
$\int_y ^\infty$
@Integrator But I am studying for the exams right now. Next year maybe after 15 Jan
14:35
@anon given an open cover O of some connected space X, Cech nerve of O is the simplical complex constructed as follows : place the nodes(0-simplicias) corresponding to the sets in O, an edge (1-simplicia) between two nodes if the sets intersect and an n-simplex if O_1 \cap O_2 \cap ... \cap O_{n+1} is nonempty.
It's raining too hard outside. I'm debating between not going to campus until this afternoon, and wearing a bunch of trash bags so as to not get wet.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Mandarin?
this is used to define a notion of fundamental group of X, by computing simplicial \pi_1 of this nerve of O.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 You don't at all need to say you're beautiful ;)
14:37
@anon Question : For "reasonably nice" open cover of the solenoid X, what does the cech nerve look like?
if we can answer this, then we can probably compute the fundamental group of X. i strongly suspect the fundamental group is $\Bbb Z_p$
i have some ideas for this. interested?
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Google translator translates '磨杵成针' to 'Pestle into a needle'
sure
@anon I don't see it.
don't see what?
don't see how $\frac{d}{dy}\int_y^\infty f_{X,Y}(x,v)dv=-f_{X,Y}(x,y)$?
Is it then true that $P(X<x,Y>y) = - P(X<x, Y<y)$?
14:40
no
probabilities are not negative
ok, thats good
@Integrator My grandma asked me to write this character when I visited her, because I think it's cool. I put it in my username
haha, yeah, I thought my probabiliy world was exploding into a mess :p
@Kasper $\frac{d}{dx}(1-x)$ is $-1$. Is it then true that $1-x=-x$?
haha, surely not, i get your point
14:41
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Got to go Beautiful
Since $P(X<x,Y>y)+P(X<x,Y<y)=P(X<x)$ and $P(X<x)$ is constant wrt $y$...
@Integrator Literally yes, but that's a Chinese old quote
@Integrator :D
Maybe idiom, idk
@Integrator True ;)
14:42
@anon X is the inverse limit of a bunch of S^1. take an open cover O_0 of the lowermost S^1. construct O_n, an open cover of the nth copy of S^n by taking preimage of sets in O_{n-1} by taking preimage of them under the covering map.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Why did you got rid of all that photos on your profile? :D
@anon $\frac{d}{dy}\int_y^\infty f_{X,Y}(x,v)dv=- \frac{d}{dy}\int_{-\infty}^{-y} f_{X,Y}(x,v)dv=-f_{X,Y}(x,-y)$
construct the collection O_\infty = {(A_0, A_1, ...) \in \prod O_i : f_n(A_n) = A_{n-1})}
@Chris'ssis I fixed my integral:
25 mins ago, by robjohn
@Chris'ssis I get $$\int_0^1\frac{\log(t)}{1-t}(e^t-e)\,\mathrm{d}t$$
O_\infty then open covers the solenoid $X$, @anon
14:44
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Why did you removed your photos ? :(
that is where my brain malfunction is now :P
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A: 2014 Nominations for moderator on Math.SE

Integrator declined I'd like to nominate Jonas Meyer According to the Citizenship score query mentioned in Behaviour's answer he is one of the few users having considerably high citizenship score ($37$) as well as good activity on meta.

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@robjohn The integral in $e^t$ remains hard to approach.
@Kasper no
the chat moved too fast, sorry Balarka
but are you following, @anon?
14:45
Hey guys, hey Balark, long time!
oh wait
I'm terrible stupid
@BalarkaSen nope. waiting to look at it later.
@Sawarnik @Integrator Because that's silly
oh hello @bolbteppa
I see it now, thanks anon !
14:46
@anon ok. when you have looked at it, ping me.
i'll finish writing up the rest of my ideas.
@bolbteppa how's life?
@Sawarnik Jonas Meyer Declined!
@Integrator Yup.
I am waiting for the elections :D
It's great, yesterday I gave a talk on quantum groups using the language of category theory & hall algebras, it was the hardest thing I've ever done to prepare for, I stayed awake working for 30 hours non-stop, nearly died but it went great in the end!
@Integrator Our comments were deleted from the nominations page :(
@Sawarnik Those were off-topic
14:49
@bolbteppa Wanna talk about it here?
@robjohn I got comment like this in my official nomination by Ellie Kesselman: "Anastasiya, this is tacky behavior, asking for badge earning help on Math SE in your Quora profile! ..."
Thank you so much for the Quora users who have already helped me to earn a gold badge: Publicity for my post: The Monster Integral. Right now, I'm trying to earn other gold badges for my posts: The Wicked Integral, Integral Contest & Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! and Famous Question for my post: The Monster Integral (>‿◠)✌ You actually link to your Quora profile from your Math SE profile too!
@Integrator I know.
@bolbteppa looks interesting. if you're prepared to talk about it, i am interested.
What do you think Mr. @robjohn? Have I done a wrong thing?
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Gaming a badge is not good thing! But it isn't illegal. Yet.
14:50
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Btw, are badges really worth that effort?
but it'll probably be way beyond what i know
droops ears after googling
@Integrator @Sawarnik I put that link in my profile page
@Integrator I forgot which city were you from?
@MikeMiller so Drinfeld and others in the 80's derived quantum groups from things like the Yang-Baxter equation, and were led to formulate a bunch of axioms based on this. It's basically taking the algebraic group RxR, turning it into the algebra R[X,Y] of functions in two indeterminates, noticing XY = YX is a defining relation, so we add non-commutativity by instead assuming XY = qYX and call the result Rq[X,Y] the quantum plane q-deformation
14:53
definitely way beyond me
drinfeld? the same drinfeld who developed grothendieck-teichmuller theory that i am dying to learn?
ah, google says yes!
If you formulate that stuff in terms of algebraic axioms on generators it becomes crazy, but Ringel noticed some of the axioms are very similar to the axioms you get using Hall algebras, in fact the positive part of a quantum group (a subset of the quantum group generators) it's nearly the same as the axioms in a Hall algebra, so Ringel modified the axioms by defining a twisted Hall algebra (THA) & then proved there is an isomorphism between the positive part of a quantum group & a THA
@Integrator I've done my part. I just wanted to avoid duplicated effort.
@DanielFischer So, is that what they do wrong?
I'll take your word for it, @bolbteppa. Sounds cool so far.
Yeah same Drinfeld, notice that Teichmuller theory can basically be derived from Polyakov's path integral derivation of the Bosonic string (I'm just learning it, fucking crazy), you literally just derive a Teichmuller space as a side-consequence, and you can relate this to quantum groups which is probably how Drinfeld did his thing
14:58
@bolbteppa I am not really referring to Teichmuller theory :)
hey robjohn you there?
It was pretty cool, but so hard
The Grothedieck-Teichmuller, AFAIK it, is an extensions of the work done by Grothedieck in Equisse d'un Programme to realize Gal(\bar Q/Q) geometrically/topologically
What do you guys think of my question?
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1063863/solving-special-function-equations-using-lie-symmetries
Imagine taking the Laplace equation, knowing your coordinate system is ellipsoidal, knowing instantly that this will give you 3 separation equations (you can write down based on knowing it's ellipsoidal), then knowing those 3 ode's are basically just an un-factored Lie algebra representation of some conformal symmetry, allowing you to write down the solution using Lie groups instantly, I mean wow! That whole Lebedev book on special functions is just
The essence of Grothendieck's work was that the absolute galois group acts on a bunch of graphs transitively. in particular, Beyli proved that any algebraic curve over \bar Q can be realized as a branched cover over P^1 - {0, 1, \infty}. so grothendieck defined graphs corresponding to algebraic curves on \bar Q by looking at the preimage of the interval [0, 1] under the covering map that sends the riemann surface onto P^1.
15:00
saw that; looked interesting
@evinda Whether it's wrong depends on what you count for the complexity. Note however, that the algorithmic complexity is not so important for real-life situations, for normal data sizes, $\log n$ is so small that the smaller constants of a good $O(n\log n)$ algorithm more than compensate the $\log$ factor over a complicated $O(n)$ algorithm. Whether the given algorithm can beat a good merge sort or intro sort on normal input sizes is doubtful.
@BalarkaSen is that related to the algebraic Langlands?
@bolbteppa representation theory of Gal(\bar Q/Q)?
It's amazingly interesting! I've been looking for over a year just to know how to formulate that question! I just hoped I'd find something like this and I finally found it! Special functions with baby pictures to remember how to derive them :D
not really.
what grothdieck proved is that Gal(\bar Q/Q) acts on the set of all these graphs, which is amazing actually since no geometric picture of this was known before
15:03
Cool, looks very hard
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 This is part of the reason that I thought your previous query was a bad idea. Some people don't like advertising on other sites to get rep, badges, etc.
@DanielFischer The exercise asks this: "Show that we can sort $k$ integer numbers with values between $0$ and $k^2-1$ in time $O(k)$."

So, do we have to describe an algorithm or could we also do it using for example induction? :/
@robjohn i got a couple google domain beta invites do you want one?
@bolbteppa as far as i have heard, drinfeld did some very strong work based on this stuff which explicitly gives an injection of Gal(\bar Q/Q) onto some braid group
amazing!
Mentioning Riemann surfaces, I still can't answer this simple question
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/776127/branch-cuts-of-fz-gz-sqrtpz-sqrtqz
:( Nobody in my college has any idea how to do it, nobody! We were talking about it yesterday!
15:04
@Ethan what is a google domain beta invite?
domains.google.com
the conjecture is that the absolute galois group is precisely this braid group, called the grothdieck teichmuller group
Wow! Braid groups are related to Yang-Baxter which means quantum groups and I believe it's related to Langlands,
@robjohn But I don't do anything wrong, right? Do I break a policy for that?
google's trying out being a domain registrar but the service is in an invite-only beta stage atm
15:06
no idea, @bolbteppa. might be. i am fascinated at a braid-description of such an algebraic object.
@Ethan what, you can get a personalized xxx.domains.google.com?
@evinda You can either describe an algorithm and prove that it runs in $O(n)$, or you can assume that no such algorithm exists and derive a contradiction. The first way is much easier generally, if there exists such an algorithm.
any domains, they are trying out being a domain registrar like godaddy.com
except it's google
@Ethan Oh, if it's only them acting as a registrar, then I already have a domain name.
@robjohn take a look this user. I did like he did.
15:08
if you want you can park your domain names or somthing with google
if you don't like your current registrar transfer them etc
i got several invites left if you want one i can give it to you
One place to start is to take the reflection group and notice how it is related to the Roots of a lie algebra, i.e. the Weyl group. Further notice that the scattering of two particles creates a "><" shape, >< , which partitions the plane of scattering into separate areas, so you can apply the reflection group to it. Further notice scattering of particles must satisfy the Yang-Baxter equation, which is a Braid equation. In other words, coxeter groups, lie algebras, Weyl groups, braids,
scattering of particles, all related, I believe they are joined by ADE diagrams which is a DEEP subject
yeah have heard of ADE classification
I tried to bring the Platonic solids into my talk yesterday lol
i am not entirely sure if grothendieck's works on etale fundamental group stuff have no impact on algebraic Langlands though
because Gal(\bar Q/Q) \to GL_n(V) resembles the monodromy representation \pi_1(X \to x_0) \to Aut(p^{-1}(x_0)) so much
Screw it, I have a bounty up for my branches question!
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/776127/branch-cuts-of-fz-gz-sqrtpz-sqrtqz
Make 50 easy points with a deep description guys, be my guest ;)
Wow
So maps from the Galois group to the General linear group resemble monodromy representations? Interesting
15:14
yeah
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Not exactly. He is not advertising on another site. He is just putting something in his profile for that site. It is not the best in taste, but better received than advertising elsewhere.
'cause general linear groups are really aut groups of Z_m \oplus Z_m \oplus ... \oplus Z_m
Monodromy comes up heavily in conformal field theory, and it is related to the geometric langlands only recently by Frenkel and others, I would love to see if that's a point of linking them
@bolbteppa one should believe if you replace the natural notion of monodromy by some kind of "etale monodromy", there would be a good way to attack Langlands
@bolbteppa haha! nice.
actually i happen to know a bit about the connection of monodromies with CFT
15:16
i met some physicist a few weeks ago who told me the stuff Vafa did on spheres, asking about what happens in torus. i figured that this connects to monodromies ;)
@robjohn But what does Publication mean then if I don't share it to public? I believe almost all the users who earn Publicity badge putting the link in his/ her own site.
i.e., if you mark 3 points on a sphere, and if rotating the sphere leaving one of the marked point fixed, some "phase change" happens on the sphere. so vafa explained the identity $\tau_{123} = \tau_1 \tau_2 \tau_3$ where $\tau_i$ is a rotation of the sphere with $i$ fixed.
he asked me what happens when you do this in, say, a torus.
@Sawarnik You can take a look at my profile.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 The Publicity badge is for putting links to questions/answers elsewhere to get more people interested in the site, not to publicize an election.
apparently, this looks a bit like monodromies, e.g., let a point loop around the marked points. you can actually think of the marked points as branch points of some branched cover over P^1.
15:20
@Sawarnik Yay! 4 years in 4 weeks!
of course, this is all vague philosophy
@robjohn But I didn't publicize an election/ my nomination. I publicized my problem, my own post.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 The voting he is asking for in his profile is not for the answer, but for a poll.
Oh, I thought that @PedroTamaroff is a 50 year old professor. Nice. Now I need two more candidates and I'm done.
Wow coo!
15:27
@DanielFischer How could we do this in our case? :/
I'll try to be back in a while and talk about that some more,
OK, @bolbteppa. Byes.
@evinda You have the algorithm. Assume $O(1)$ arithmetic operations.
@DanielFischer Nice Job!
@DanielFischer Which algorithm?
15:29
@evinda You linked it earlier.
@DanielFischer Ok, I will read it, to see if I understand it.. Could I also ask you something else about Depth-first search?
@evinda Ask you can. Whether I know the answer, I can't tell yet.
@DanielFischer We have this graph:
@DanielFischer I want to calculate the "discovery" time and the "finish" time for each node and also the kind of each edge.
@DanielFischer I found these "discovery" and "finish" times:
@DanielFischer Have I calculated them right?
@DanielFischer Also, in order to find the kind of the edges I wanted to use this:

$$\begin{bmatrix}
\text{ tree edges: } x \to y & [d[y],f[y]] \subset [d[x],f[x]] \\ \\
\text{forward edges: } x \to y & [d[x],f[x]] \subset [d[y],f[y]] \\ \\
\text{back edges: } x \to y & [d[y],f[y]] \subset [d[x],f[x]] \\ \\
\text{Cross edges: } x \to y & [d[x],f[x]] \cap [d[y],f[y]]=\varnothing
\end{bmatrix}$$

But, when we have for example the case $[d[y],f[y]] \subset [d[x],f[x]]$ how can we know if it is a tree edge or a back edge?
@evinda I have no idea what the numbers should mean. I would have thought "discovery time" would mean something like "number of steps until the vertex is first visited" or so, but apparently it means something else. What? Also, what is a "finish time", and how are the kinds of edges defined?
15:46
@robjohn No answer yet to my question, do you think I better still wait and then maybe post it to MO, or perhaps I should ask another question so that I have one for each problem?
@DanielFischer The discovery time d[v] is the number of nodes discovered or finished before first seeing v.
The finishing time f[v] is the number of nodes discovered or finished before finishing
the expansion of v (return from DFS-Visit).
We can define four edge types in terms of the depth-first forest Gπ produced by a
depth-first search on a graph G.
1. Tree edges are edges in the depth-first forest Gπ. Edge (u, v) is a tree edge if v
was first discovered by exploring edge (u, v). A tree edge always describes a relation
Shall I apply again the Depth-first search? Have I calculated the finish and discovery time wrong?
Hi all
@evinda That's too complicated for me. But I can tell that something is wrong, since the vertex $b$ can never be reached in a DFS starting from a different vertex. It has no incoming edges.
I have a somewhat silly question. Given a function $a: \Omega \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^{n}$ how does it relate to $\sum_{i}^{n}a_{i}$?
16:02
@LucioD what is the function?
@VincenzoOliva You should at least wait until be bounty expires. Don't cross-post.
The function is not given explicitly, it's notes for proving the existence of a solution for pde given a vector valued function $a$. So all that is known really is that it is from $\mathbb{R}$ to $\mathbb{R}^{n}$.
@JorgeFernández I will ask the question differently.
@DanielFischer Hello Daniel senpai.
@Integrator Excuse me...? =)
@JorgeFernández If you have an operator $\langle A(u), v \rangle := \int_{\Omega}a(x,u,\nabla u)\cdot \nabla v dx$ then does it follow that $\langle A(u),v \rangle = \sum_{i=1}^{n}\int_{\Omega}a_{i}(x,y,\nabla u)\cdot \frac{\partial v}{\partiall x_{i}}dx$?
Of course, you're actually 94 @Pedro.
16:09
slight typo there
@MikeMiller I don't know where Integrator got the idea I was 50.
You look it.
@PedroTamaroff Hola amigo.
Is that something that is basically true for integral of any vector valued function?
Yo @PedroTamaroff
16:11
@DanielFischer Today I had the make up exam. I was asked to determine the entire functions with $|f(e^z)|\leqslant |z|$, for example.
@BalarkaSen Hello.
@PedroTamaroff There aren't that many. Did you give an exhaustive list?
@DanielFischer Yep. =)
Oh yes it obviously is.
@PedroTamaroff How many syllables?
I obtained that $|a_\nu|\leqslant \sqrt 2 \nu!\log r/r^\nu$ for large enough $r$.
16:15
@PedroTamaroff $g(z) = f(e^z)$ is entire with $\lvert g(z)\rvert \leqslant \lvert z\rvert$. Hence $g(z) = c\cdot z$ for a $c$ with $\lvert c\rvert \leqslant 1$. Now, $c\neq 0$ would mean that $\log$ is entire.
@DanielFischer Hehehe, you.
I just noticed the upvote. Thanks, @Anastasiya. ^_^ (math.stackexchange.com/a/799678)
@robjohn Sure, when I said "then" I meant "after the bounty expires". I saw you gave it a look, what are your thoughts?
@VincenzoOliva I gave it a look a while ago, but I just wanted to clarify the role of the primes.
@LucioD it looks like you just asking whether the gradient can always be expressed in Cartesian coordinates? Is it something more deep?
16:34
@PedroTamaroff You can look at least 10 days younger than you actually are if you'd take selfie like this ;)
eww
hehe
looks gross
Like watching a kid on nickelodeon try to appeal sexy :(
That's a pretty yucky photo.
Monodromy is what happens when a path goes around a point, i.e. the monodromy in an ode comes about by integrating around the path of a singular point of the ode, but if you rotate the whole space I have no idea if that's monodromy?
16:40
@bolbteppa yeesh. that's a gross way to think about monodromy.
That's where the idea of a monodromy came from! :)
@bolbteppa think of monodromy as choosing a point at your space X, and considering a loop.
then lift the loop to the covering space Y.
the endpoint is some point other than x_0 in the fiber p^{-1}(x_0)
@bolbteppa: It's a measurement of how something changes when you go around a closed path, coming back to your starting point. It might be a function, it might be a vector field, ...
@robjohn Fair enough.
If you take the general solution of a 2nd order ode, the linear combination of the two solutions, you integrate around a singular point and the 'new' solutions change into linear combinations of your original ones, so you get a monodromy matrix relating the solutions
16:42
so loops in \pi_1(X, x_0) acts on Aut(p^{-1}(x_0)).
the resulting injection \pi_1(X) \to Aut(p^{-1}(x_0)) is called a monodromy representation
and the image is the monodromy
@bolbteppa ^that's the right way to think about it, mr. analysis/
:P
@Pedro: A make-up exam? I thought you did ok on the first one.
I don't think you would have invented any of these concepts unless you had the ode's and their linear combinations as was derived in the 19'th century to motivate it, I know the way you guys think about it is ultimately right/correct though
i'll fight with you to convince you the other way @bolbteppa. the ideas of monodromies came from looping around the branch points in the riemann surface of algebraic curves
Historically speaking, I think you're right, @bolbteppa. Parallel transport in differential geometry is, of course, the solution of a differential equation as well.
@TedShifrin Hello!!! Having the equation $a^3=-b^3$, where $a,b \in \{x,y,z\}$ how can we find now the inflection points in $\mathbb{P}^2(\mathbb{C})$?
Could you give me a hint?
16:45
Both were invented to deal with solutions to ordinary differential equations by Riemann though!
Well more or less
no idea :P i'm just supporting algebra. i'm an universal representative chosen for always getting in fight with analytic geometers. :P
@evinda: You already said that one of $x$, $y$, $z$ had to be $0$. So how many points $[0,?,?]$ are there in $\Bbb P^2(\Bbb C)$ that satisfy the equation?
Because there are usually only 3 singularities for an ode (the studied ones) they define them on a Riemann surface so that everything can be handled at once, and the natural thing to do is to look at monodromies on a Riemann surface, hence monodromy is intimately tied up with Riemann surfaces through ode's :)
@bolbteppa No I confused myself with something simple, nothing deep.
No problem, the gradient and the area element dx in your calculation would change form in different coordinate systems, maybe that threw you off?
16:48
@TedShifrin All the points of the form $[0,y,-y]$, $[x,0,-x]$ and $[x,-x,0]$ satify the equation.. Or am I wrong?
There are more, @evinda.
And remember that $[0,y,-y] = [0,1,-1]$ in $\Bbb P^2(\Bbb C)$.
@BalarkaSen Kline's History of Mathematics chapters on ode's explain all this very very nicely, it's worth a read!
That book is so good, the section on Divergent series especially
@TedShifrin Could you explain why $[0,y,-y] = [0,1,-1]$ in $\Bbb P^2(\Bbb C)$?
Also, why are there more solutions? And how could we find them?
yeah i got suggestions to read Kline more than often, mostly by angry geometers :P
I have to go teach my students for several hours, so you'll have to review your basics, @evinda.
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hehe you have called me a geometer before, I have yet to acquire the adjective angry though :D
@TedShifrin Ok, see you later!!!
@TedShifrin "make-up" as in lipstick and eyeshade?
Heya @Ted
I just understood why Dirac wanted to formulate quantum mechanics in projective space instead of real space, man it's so obvious! You get those phase factors and projective geometry just stops the phases from distinguishing wave functions!
If only I had a feel for projective geometry now :(
17:09
interesting. a guy from the homotopy chatroom gives an excellent idea about thinking about the solenoid as a universal cover of some space with Cech \pi_1 being Z_p instead of a space with Cech \pi_1 Z_p.
very fun.
17:30
@BalarkaSen What's an example of a space with $\pi_1 = \Bbb Z_p$ besides real projective space?
oh by Z_p i mean the p-adics, not the cyclic groups :)
as for an example of the latter, dunce cap
Ah, yeah. We didn't quite get to the dunce cap in this semester, but I glanced at it in Munkres.
you can realize every finite group as fundamental group of some space
@TedShifrin No, I told you I didn't pass, didn't I?
It was something rather silly.
@Fargle The first examples one will see are called Lens spaces.
They're not so hard to construct or calculate the fundamental group of.
17:36
@MikeMiller Hmm. These spaces are difficult to visualize, but I think I can see how their fundamental group is $\Bbb Z_p$.
well it's obvious how it has fundamental group Z_p
use the homotopy short exact sequence 1 --> \pi_1(X) --> \pi_1(X/G) --> G --> 1
Yes, visualizing them is a bit tough. Luckily, I've survived thusfar without needing to...
How do you visualize the group of reflections as a fundamental group of a space?
@bolbteppa what is the group of reflections?
I don't really understand the question. You start by finding a space it's a fundamental group on and look at that space, I suppose.
17:47
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_group Intuitively it's just a set of linear transformations that reflect vectors around basis vectors
if your group is finite, construct the presentation complex
otherwise, dunno
I'd love to see the relationship between a set of isomorphism classes of homotopic loops and a permutation group
sounds cool
18:47
hello everyone
Hi @daOnlyBG
I'm getting some weird results when trying to use buchberger's algorithm
anyone familiar with that?
For Grobner bases? Really vaguely
yes, for Grobner bases
I doubt I could help unfortunately
18:57
@daOnlyBG Yeah.
What's the problem?
I have to compute the Groebner basis of $I=\langle xz-y^2, xy-z^2, wx-yz \rangle$
using a grevlex ordering, where x>x>y>z
I've tried doing it on Mathematica (step by step), but kept getting conflicting results
Macaulay2 didn't help much either

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