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He doesn't study the theory, just keeps doing GRE questions, as if he would pass the exam in this way...
He also asks GRE questions on the Eng site...
 
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@CameronWilliams: Depends on what is meant by 'solve', I'd say. Certainly there isn't a unique answer unless other conditions are given; all the same, it is straightforward to characterize the set of solutions as $\frac{1}{2}A$ plus some anti-symmetric matrix. (i'm putting this in chat b/c i'd rather not give the answer away on the question page)
Hey @Ted
01:29
Hey @Kaj
@Ted, I've been working on a Rudin problem that has me a bit stumped :/
I approve of stumping you :)
haha, so it asks to determine whether the interiors of connected sets are always connected, to which I have a counterexample in $\mathbb{R}^2$: $\overline{B}_1(0, 0) \cup B_1(2, 0)$.
The problem I'm running into is this: working in $\mathbb{R}^n$, it seems pretty difficult to rigorously prove that sets are actually connected. I don't really want to say "Obviously this is a connected set."
01:34
you don't? ;)
Well, that would certainly be convenient!
I mean, it seems to me that you would assume that the set were disconnected, then try to arrive at a contradiction in coming up with a separation for it. But even for simple sets like a $k$-cell in $\mathbb{R}^2$ I cannot think of how to go about this.
Do you know about path- or arc-connected?
No, I don't think so, but I have a conjecture that would make things a lot easier if I can prove it.
To wit?
(It'll take me a sec to type this out)
Working in the plane, I've defined notions of "Horizontally connected" and "vertically connected", wherein a set $S$ satisfies the former if $\{(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : y = k\} \cap S \neq \emptyset$ if and only if $k \in [a, b]$ for some interval.

Vertically connected is defined likewise, but instead $S$ is being intersected with $\{(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : x = k\}$.

I conjecture that a set $S$ is connected if and only if it is both horizontally and vertically connected.
01:44
This seems very complicated to me. I'm not convinced either direction is right,
I feel like pictures would simplify the argument, but neither am I to be honest.
This definitely works in just $\mathbb{R}$ since there is only a notion of "horizontal connectedness", and of course the only connected subsets of $\mathbb{R}$ are intervals.
What about an I where the junction points of the bars are missing?
Then that would not be horizontally connected since $y = \text{y-value of junction point} \cap S = \emptyset$.
And so the y-values that satisfy a nonempty intersection are not an interval.
Huh? Totally not.
Ohhh, like if there were little serifs on the I. Let me think.
OK, I guess you're right. Crap.
01:49
But the the verticals are disconnected for other $x$ values.
Yeah, I'm convinced this is no longer true.
So how would one show that, even simple sets like a close ball centered at the origin, are connected, especially given how few tools Rudin has afforded us at this point?
Are you sure he doesn't talk about connectedness the way we did it in 3500?
Just with Dr. Fu + Rudin knowledge, I know nothing other than a definition of connectedness and the fact that a subset $\mathbb{R}$ is connected if and only if it is an intervals.
Oh, duh, he does it in chap 4, most likely. Need continuity.
Granted, it might be sufficient that I just give my example, but not justifying that it's actually connected bothers me. Of course, I can show the interior isn't by simply demonstrating a separation.
01:56
Hint: suppose you had a separation. The point $(1,0)$ must be in one of the sets.
Indeed. I've already gotten that far ;) I've also reasoned that the sets cannot be both open and both closed, if that's actually meaningful.
But you have a good point. We can't even prove the ball is connected yet.
A little frustrating :P
Did Fu assign this, or is it in Rudin?
It is a HW problem, so don't give away too much (as if you would anyways)
Oh, I see what you're asking. It is in Rudin.
Chapter 2 #20
02:07
I think you could probably prove that the ball is connected following your lemma earlier. If you think about the interval from $(-1,0)$ to $(1,0)$ and take the union of all the connected vertical line segments along it, you can probably argue it's connected. I'm not sure what Rudin wants with this problem. You'll have all the machinery when you take 4200.
Maybe the proof would be easier using a line segment joining two distant open balls?
Then the separation would have to give you a separation of the line segment.
Ah, note #21. He has you prove every convex subset of $\Bbb R^k$ is connected.
I'll have to think about this later tonight. I'm headed to the gym before it closes! Thanks for your input though, I certainly appreciate it.
Sure. Be well.
 
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03:45
where does the definition of product of complex numbers come from? Do we use it because it works (i.e., because it gives rise to a field) or was it chosen for some other geometric or algebraic reason?
04:00
when you adjoin a sqrt of -1 to R you're stuck with the resulting multiplication; there is no choice in the matter
unless of course you want to get rid of something critical like distributivity
Does anyone know how to Master probabilities? :p
The questions are based on simple things, yet difficult to solve. but at the same time I see users like Andre, give brilliant answers within seconds
How is that done? Anybody knows?
experience lets you fit it all in your head at one time
your question is too vague and broad for a more specific or helpful response
No I was hoping to see someone show me a book to buy that would help one master it
04:11
get a probability book and then master it - the mastery comes from your own effort, not magic on the part of the author
Ok, have u taken Further Maths ?
that phrase doesn't really mean anything to me.
what's it supposed to mean?
Further maths is jus a subject taken by students in the UK :)
it sounds specific to a particular institution, not an entire country, but I could be wrong
what does it encompass?
hey @Care
Entire Country.
04:15
I'd call it a course or somesuch, not a "subject." a subject would be e.g. algebraic number theory, complex variables, etc.
Yes it's a course ;) Your right. No I just wanted to see if you had done :) If so, you would understand its format and maybe good tips to do well...since that's the case with standardized tests, there is a prediction know
Maybe have good tips*
I am in the US, not the UK
(if that is not already obvious)
Yep I understood :p
So don't you have any questions? :p
Are you busy?
04:20
no why?
Could you help me in solving a problem?
sure. strange you'd ask me if I have any questions for you, then ask me a question...
is English your first language? :-)
Yep it is :p
it wasn't a grammatical mistake or something, I wanted to be nice and see if you had any questions to discuss :) and then if so first help you, and then ask my question ;)
okay
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Q: Finding $P(N>E(N))$

Tharindu I know how to do the (i) and I will put out the results, just in case the second part is related to the first part answers. The C.D.F : $$F(t) = 1 – (t – 1)^{-2}$$ $P(T>5)$ : $$= 1 – F(5) = 1 – (1 – 4^{-2}) = 1/16$$ Now how to do the (ii) part, I don't understand. Please help. I think N ...

04:27
don't accept an answer you don't understand
what about it don't you understand?
But the user answered it, so I thought she deserved an acceptance, since no one else answered
engage with the answerer first before accepting
that's what the comment feature is for
I know how to get an expected value from a distribution, by $$int x f(x) dx$$
for a discrete variable you do the same thing but it's a sum instead of an integral
that's how you compute E[N]
Didn't know why she called my first answer
Sum? I thought by integrating the N distribution
04:31
N takes the values 1,2,3,4,... so it's a discrete variable, not a random variable
I don't know why she called my first part answer as p.
for generality
or transparency
so do you know how to compute E[N] given P(N=n)=(1-p)^(n-1) p?
and do you know how to compute P(N>E[N]) given E[N]?
Geometric series :D I believe , so apply the formula for the sum of a G.P
Since now I know we have to do sum, coz u told me :)
(1-p)^n-1 p , follows a G.P, where a= p , and r= 1-p
you have to sum n*(1-p)^(n-1) p
don't forget the n out in front
just like with int x*f(x)dx where there's an x in front
N can be factored out of the sum
04:35
no it can't
it's the index
Ummmm
What do you mean? Sorry :/ if im troubling u
1*f(1)+2*f(2)+3*f(3)+4*f(4)+... <-- you can't factor "n" out of that, same as you can't pull "x" out in front of int x*f(x)dx
you made a claim that n can be factored out of the sum, I am saying your claim is wrong
Isn't that supposed to p in our case?
isn't what supposed to be p?
Yep can't pull out of an integral , coz x isn't a constant
Ok :) what is the N distribution? :)
04:40
you already know P(N=n)=(1-p)^(n-1) p, no?
Yes , there is no n in front in this
so you need to compute E[N]=sum n*(1-p)^(n-1) p from n=1 to infinity
does that not make sense to you?
Yes it does
Now
04:42
so now you need a formula for sum n*x^n
can anybody help me i can't think of a word
@Tharindu I will leave you to figure that out, as I have to go to bead
what do you call an automorphism that's not a morphism
like, just a bijection between a set and itself
um, that would be a morphism
@anon , Thank you for your help :) Yes I will continue the thinking
04:43
do you mean a function X->X that's not an automorphism of the object X in some concrete category?
@anon Right, i'm talking about a bijection of a field extension that isn't an automorphism
if so, just call it a function or mapping on the underlying set
zzzz
blehhh i was hoping there was a word for it
autobijection isn't a thing is it?
 
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06:39
@anon Thank you very much :D this time I got it right ;)
 
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08:24
I'll repost this also in the main chatrrom, in case someone has some useful suggestion:
in Linear algebra, 13 hours ago, by daOnlyBG
I'm prepping for the Math Subject Test GRE and the Putnam, and I'm taking any linear algebra questions in order to challenge myself. If you have any interesting questions, send them my way.
09:11
Hi @DanielFischer, out of interest do you know why the author would adopt such a unconventional definition of 'limit of a function', does it give some advantage in any way?
10:04
@Alex It's not so unconventional. In some parts of the world, it's the usual definition. Since the limit of a function at a point is only really interesting when the point is not in the domain, it doesn't matter much.
@DanielFischer Yeah that's a good point.
10:37
@Chris'ssis Too bad you can't read a lot of French, i'm sure you would have loved this math.polytechnique.fr/xups/xups91.pdf
It's about diverging series, and how to make them converge :D
10:53
Greetings
@TheGame Interesting, thanks.
11:34
can someone help me understand the second integration by parts component of this answer: math.stackexchange.com/questions/959988/…
should be a basic question...
not seeing how he gets the (1-F(x))
11:49
heya
hey @N3buchadnezzar
@N3buchadnezzar how is your calculus? mine should be decent, but for some reason i can't understand an answer of whuber's using integration by parts
( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
12:06
@EricGregor Link?
12:21
@N3buchadnezzar did you understand it?
@EricGregor Not right now, sorry
@N3buchadnezzar i figured it out
@EricGregor =)
@EricGregor I do not understand why they bring up $f$ again, after defining $g$ (I am not asking for hints or solutions, but rather clearification about what the problem itself)
@N3buchadnezzar what is g?
12:34
How can $g(n)$ minimize the expression $|f_n(a) \cdots - \pi|$ when it is not included in the expression?
@EricGregor $g(n)=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2$
what problem are you referring to? i have no idea what you're talking about
not the problem i posted
oh sorrey, completely different problem =) But I think I got it now
13:04
What's up
 
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I just answered 2 lhf.
@JasperLoy we will alert the media...
@robjohn Make that 3 lhf now, lol.
math.stackexchange.com/questions/962301/… I cannot believe the other solutions here, did I make a mistake?
Make that 4 lhf.
14:44
@JasperLoy Nope... they are all correct.
14:55
@NicoDean: Out of curiosity, what's the quantum context for your bounty problem?
Make that 5 lhf.
Wow, today is a good day on this site for me, lol.
15:34
@robjohn Can you read French ?
@TheGame not really
@TheGame It reads as "French", lol.
@robjohn Ok i'll translate then
@robjohn What is the $\{C(x);x^2d/dx\}$ differential algebra ?
It is named the 'differential $\mathbb{C}$-algebra of convergent series'
@TheGame I am not familiar with the notion of a differential algebra. I will have to look that up
@robjohn Thanks
15:44
context, out of curousity?
Another lhf answered.
re: differential algebra
Page 10, bottom
@Semiclassical it came from some non-separability (entanglement) criterions.
(10 in the pdf, 9 in the text)
15:45
@NicoDean: interesting
@NicoDean: any further elaboration you can give? that might make interpretation more straightforward
@TheGame: Really wish I could read french!
@Semiclassical Never too late to start :)
hah
oh, you're doing asymptotic analysis stuff? i know that from the physics side e.g. semiclassical methods / WKB
@Semiclassical Are you talking to me or to @NicoDean ?
@TheGame: woops, you
@thegame: though i don't know borel summation / resurgence theory stuff very well
@Semiclassical Oh not really, my former math teacher (I changed schools this year) send me some links about series
This one is about making divergent series converge :P
It's a compilation of conferences that were held in ~1991 at the X school in France (very good school)
15:51
@semiclassical what I wrote is pretty much everything i know about the mathematics of the problem. the physics comes in in the following way: the dimension of the two-partite hilbertspace is n. the number m stands for the schmidt rank of some arbitrary two-dimensional entangled state in that n-dimensional hilbertspace. the p's stand for probability of different m-dimensional entangled pure states, forming together an arbitrary m-dimensional mixed state.
@thegame: ah. some of the later stuff in there re. differential equations is in the direction of the stuff i'm aware of, though at a much higher level
@semiclassical i find the problem nice, physically as well as mathematically. in the mathematical context, i find the cyclic symmetry as well as the potential connection to the shapiro inequality beautiful.
@NicoDean: ah. i'll see if i can't penetrate it a bit more
@Semiclassical correction "schmidt rank of some arbitrary two-PARTITE entangled"
@semiclassical it would be very nice :)
@semiclassical (oops, again: correction " the number m stands for the schmidt rank of some arbitrary m-dimensional two-partite entangled state in that n-dimensional hilbertspace.") now it should be correct
@TheGame The algorithm is faulty...
I know, but it made me laught
That is certainly a very high quality post, LOL
Most of my answers are one or two lines.
Throws a greeting table at @BalarkaSen
@TheGame Oh you should never ask me your math questions, they are too hard for me. I have forgotten all my math.
16:09
@JasperLoy :/
@TheGame You may upvote the answer since it is CORRECT
@TheGame HERRO
@TheGame It made you laught?
I upvote all correct answers I see. The length does not matter. As long as it answers the question
@BalarkaSen No -__-
3 mins ago, by The Game
I know, but it made me laught
laught
16:11
véri gud ortograf
autograph?
orthograph -__-
Spelling
i'm reminded of something that i came across when grading a student's HW once
in trying to justify a certain step. their answer: "why? because fuck you that's why"
i should probably have been offended by that, but it made me laugh
seriously?
why the hell did it made you laugh, @Semiclassical?
@Semiclassical Proof by intimidation?
16:13
probably b/c i was tired from grading and needed the levity
@TheGame Why didn't you upvote my answer? =)
@JasperLoy Because the review tab doesn't add the arrows to vote
Because it's not good enough @Jasper
@JasperLoy send me the link and i'll upvote
Here, i downvoted
:P
@TheGame I upvoted everyone on that post too.
@TheGame Someone downvoted me without commenting.
LOL someone downvoted.
@JasperLoy :/ not me
@BalarkaSen Probably an XXXXXX.
16:22
That did it.
Guy retracted his vote.
I believe we should ONLY downvote WRONG answers.
In this case, it is more helpful to COMMENT than to downvote.
i have the looser criterion of down-voting answers which are not useful. something can be technically correct while still being useless/counterproductive to the reader
@Semiclassical I am sorry if it was you, I don't mean to call you an XXXXXX =)
16:26
WTF
and i tend to use my downvotes sparingly in practice, though esp. if i think that answer should be removed
But I really am very very surprised by the other answers here, lol. math.stackexchange.com/questions/962301/…
WHAT were they thinking? Did they get enough coffee?
Maybe they didn't.
Yet their LaTeX is perfect, lol.
Huy
Huy
Good evening, everyone.
16:30
i feel like i'm missing something, since those answers seem valid albeit over-complicated
@JasperLoy People often like to reduce problems to one that they have already solved.
@Moron It's good then that I have forgotten all my math. That is why I was able to answer that way.
@JasperLoy Oh really!
Did you watch the video?
I have capped today, so stop upvoting me for today, thanks!!!
@Moron No, but I said WTF to show I was paying attention to you.
16:34
@JasperLoy NOOOOOO WHAT WILL TED SAY ???
I'm old.
I got 200 today but 0 accepts, LOL
@Sawarnik They are simple answers, but they are GOOD
@saw NO need to remove such harmless stuff
No, mostly those lhfs don't deserve that many votes!
@Sawarnik You didn't say it on purpose ?
@Sawarnik On the video whence the pic above comes from, Ted says 'i'm old' a few seconds later
16:41
@TheGame I know. But I don't understand what it means?
@Sawarnik Why not? This is not a site for research level math.
Rewatch it :)
@Hippa: You need to stop being fixated!
Huy
Huy
Good evening, @TedShifrin.
:O He's here
noooooo
16:43
barely afternoon here, @Huy, but good evening to you
@ted I got 200 points today =)
@JasperLoy :(
congrats, @Jasper ... for something you should be proud of?
@JasperLoy Why are you trying to get rep -__-
@TedShifrin Only lhf
16:44
Then not so worthy of being proud ...
@TheGame For fun. Does not really matter. All that matters is that I get well, go to grad school, find a gf soon and get married soon
Uuuuuuuh
find a gf soon
Ooooh
and get marrried soon
@Jasper: For what it's worth, I think your answer is better than the answers that convert it to something less elementary.
16:46
@TedShifrin Yeah. Many elementary answers here are also not too well written.
@TheGame The sound is not very clear for some reason :|| So can you tell? :D
@JasperLoy so we need to start downvoting so that you have a reason to answer more questions.
@Sawarnik Ask da main protagonist @TedShifrin :P
@TheGame You must understand that I am not as young as you...
@Hippa: The author explains what he's talking about. What are your specific questions? Matt answered the direct question "what is $\delta$?"
No one is, @Jasper.
16:51
@TedShifrin Just wanted someone to check :)
@TedShifrin are you talking about the telescoping sum?
@TheGame Ouch, tell me please! :D:D:D
The paper says $x^2d/dx$ and not $\delta$ after all
Yeah, @robjohn, I was.
@Sawarnik Ask him ask him :P
16:52
You are evil.
@TedShifrin they are all correct, but Jasper's answers more of the question.
Right, but the ring/algebra must come equipped with the derivation, and his notation $(R,\text{blah})$ means $R$ is the ring and blah is the derivation.
Right, @robjohn. I said I preferred his.
Oh notice that @IceBoy now looks a bit like @nablablah
@Huy: Have you figured out a course to offer yet?
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: I'll give game theory a shot. If enough people enrol, I'll read into it next year or so.
16:55
@JasperLoy O yeah.
Ah, you'll get to teach a bit of probability and perhaps some linear programming.
@Huy Game theory in high school?
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: I read and watched some basic introductions about it and it seemed very accessible and very intuitive.
@Sawarnik: Yes.
@Huy That's kind of .. scary.
I just assigned a homework problem in my probability class that was essentially baby game theory (minimax stuff).
Huy
Huy
16:56
@Sawarnik: How so?
@TedShifrin: What was the problem?
@Huy Isn't it a bit too advanced for high school :| :| I don't know it, though.
Huy
Huy
@Sawarnik: Nothing should be too advanced for my pupils. :3
Oh well.
@Huy: A writes down either 1 or 2 on a piece of paper, and B must guess each one. If the number A has written down is $i$ and B has guessed correctly, he gets $i$ dollars from A; if he is wrong, he pays $3/4$ dollars to A. If B randomizes his decision by guessing 1 with probability $p$ and 2 with probability $1-p$, determine his expected gain if A has written down 1, then if A has written down 2. What value of $p$ maximizes the minimum possible value of A's expected gain?
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: I see. Thanks. :)
16:59
Then reverse and look at it from A's perspective, assuming he writes down 1 with probability $q$ and 2 with probability $1-q$. Etc.
@Huy Is calculus taught there with epsilon delta definitions from the beginning?
Huy
Huy
@Sawarnik: Not usually.
@Huy Then you probably could do that :D
Huy
Huy
@Sawarnik: Theoretically, yes. But I don't think many would profit from them.
@Alizter: Any luck with the mode yet? :)
17:02
@Huy I see, but wasn't it an optional course? So the ones who want to continue with maths will take it?
@TedShifrin Unfortunately not. However I am currently trying to do some physics research so I cannot do it.
I won't hold my breath, @Alizter :)
I edit (and ping) a lot.
Huy
Huy
@Sawarnik: It was indeed an optional course, but I myself would never had been interested in one about things like rigorous calculus in high school, so I doubt many pupils would be.
@Sawarnik: Why not teach something more applicable to a broader spectrum of people? And not so technical.
In balance, @Huy, I've taught the Spivak course to a number of talented high school students and they have enjoyed it. But it was their entire calculus course. Your students have already taken a calculus course, so it's probably more interesting to do something different rather than embellishing with technical stuff.
17:05
Ok :)
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: Yes, but also they didn't actually finish a calculus course. I'm just teaching them differentiation right now and next semester I'll teach them integration.
Right, but then your optional course would come after ...
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: It would come next semester too, i.e. right after they finished differentiation and start to learn about integration.
Aren't there other students, besides the ones in your class?
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: There will be, but those will have roughly made the same progress in the maths course.
17:08
Weird. So they're all doing calculus their final year of high school, I assume?
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: It's the second last year, not the final one yet.
So why wouldn't you get some last-year folks in your optional class, along with second-to-last year?
Huy
Huy
@TedShifrin: It's a course only during the second semester of the second last year.
@TedShifrin Hi.
17:18
Hi @Jayesh
The probability problem is nice. :-)
Yeah, it's cool to think through.
I've a probability course going on, with midsems day after tomorrow.
Presumably a graduate-level course based on measure theory?
17:30
So you'll have a real proof of the central limit theorem :D
We have already had that. :D
I'm trying out this fairly new book by Cinlar, since Shiryaev is so windy.
@Chris'ssis You've heard of $\displaystyle\sum_\infty k=\frac{1}{12}$ right ?
This is totally not my area, @Jayesh, so I don't know any of the literature.
@TedShifrin Ahh, I see.
17:52
Prof. @Ted, @Thegame!
@robjohn yeah, I love that result
@Semiclassical when you give the problem a try, even if you dont solve it, please leave some comments on your thoughts/what you found and what didnt work. would be nice, thx!
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