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00:00
Just had breakfast.
I get to change my username tmr.
00:22
What are you changing it to @Will?
Hi, I have a question of algebra
askaway
My Algebra is very weak, but give it a shot
I think is not complicated.
Suppose R is a commutative ring, not necessarily with an identity and only have two ideals the trivial ones. Also R is not equal to the zero ring.
If there is a r in the ring s.t. Rr=R show that $\{s\in R: sr=0\}=\{0\}$
Since Rr= R so there is some say a s.t. ar=r and I claim that a is the identity. Because if we can take any other k\in R then k=br, and so ka=bra=bar=br=k since the Ring is commutative. Then since we have an identity, the ring is commutative and doesn´t have proper ideals, then is a field and so doesn´t have divisors of zero
this is in general my idea
but I´m not completely sure
someone?
what do you think?
00:51
nobady
nobody ?
@jose: Seems fine. Or once you have an identity, you know $r$ has an inverse. Done.
HI ted
Hi @TedShifrin
Heya ...
Hello Professor @TedShifrin
Hi mr skull
01:02
How are you?
OK ... You?
Fine thanks.
Thanks @TedShifrin.
Sure, @Jose.
01:05
hi
01:44
Someone has to break the combo, to let the chat go on. I will take one for the team.
02:18
You monster
@WillHunting I will complete the 9 Cohn Rudin Lee, by 3/10/2014, my personal challenge. 11 pages a day for the next year.
@JoseAntonio I love your insight in observing that ar=r implies a=1. You start to derail after proving that (though it is still a valid path). Simply note that a=a'r for some a', so sr=0 implies s=sa=sa'r=sra'=0.
@Will Actually 10.337 pages a day, including appendices and intro's, so even less, but I don't want to bother finding actual pages(3773 including everything)
I honestly don't recommend that type of challenge @Committingtoaname
I only ever move on when I understand something, and I am fully willing to lose the challenge
Was that your concern @Karl?
02:30
I would suggest picking a really cool result from one of the books and challenging yourself to understand that within a certain time period. That would be much more fulfilling for me.
So from that I assume that mine is an impossible challenge
How long would you expect it to take to finish:

Cohn - Classic Algebra

Rudin - Principles of Mathematical Analysis

Lee - Topological Manifolds

Cohn - Basic Algebra

Rudin - Complex Analysis

Lee - Smooth Manifolds

Cohn - Further Algebra

Rudin - Fundamental Analysis

Lee - Riemannian Manifolds
No, it is just not a goal that I would find to be fulfilling.
@KarlKronenfeld I really enjoy doing the textbooks, but if I am not consistent with doing some work on them every day or two, then I just give up on them. It is to motivate consistent work :)
another problem is that it is extremely difficult to measure your own understanding, since one often measures it too early on compared to when one should do this sort of test.
Periodically reviewing an idea or method leads to its retention, as opposed to just learning it once.
That's perhaps a justification for my suggestion of doing this one interesting result at a time, instead of one page at a time.
I interrogate myself constantly, if I don't understand absolutely everything on the page perfectly or I can't answer one of my own questions, then I stay where I am
02:36
You have to wait a week, then interrogate yourself.
0 is neither -'ve nore +'ve.
0 is even.

If X is the smallest non negative even number, what us X?
I am building flash cards on the application Anki, I would seriously look into it
@imVoid From your phrasing it is $0$, since $0$ is non negative
I have to go. It certainly won't kill you to read the books in a linear manner, so have fun while you're doing it :P
@Committingtoaname shouldn't I also consider that 0 is not positive either?
@Karl Thanks for your input :)
@imVoid The non-negative $\mathbb{Z}$ include $0$
The positive $\mathbb{Z}$ exclude $0$
Hence, $0$ is non-negative, and even.
02:41
Okay. I got deceived by the statement, $0$ is neither +'ve nor -'ve.
@imVoid
Yep, not positive or negative.

If the question was "If $X$ is the smallest positive even number" It would be $2$
Understood. Thanks @Committingtoaname
No problem :)
 
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04:06
@Karl Kronenfeld Thanks so much for your help. Sorry I was listening a sarah vaughan
The last part says the following: Let R be a commutative ring, not necessarily with identity and whose only ideals are R and \{0\}, and also R is not the trivial ring. Show that R is either a field or (R,+) is isomorphic to Z/pZ for a p prime and the product of any two elements is always zero.
The first part is trivial if it has a 1, it follows that is a field as is commutative and doesn't have proper ideals. But if not have a 1, then we claim that the product of any two elements is always 0. If not, so let rs\not=o, then (r) it must be entire Ring, i.e., Rr=R and so there is a\in R a s.t., ar=r and is easy to see that this a must be 1, contradiction.
Since the product of all the elements is zero and the Ring is not the zero ring, so for a non zero r, Rr=\{o\}. So let \langle r \rangle is a subgroup of (R, +) generated by r is clearly an ideal an so there must be the entire group R. SO there is a n s.t. nr=0. (From here I'm not completely sure how to show that n must be prime) but from here and the homomorphism Z \to (R,+)=\langle r \rangle ,sending n \to nr
is clear that nZ is the kernel and by the isomorphism thm. it follows that Z/nZ and (R,+) are isomorphic.
to show that n there must be prime maybe this works if not, so n is composite so n= ab and then the order of ar must be b but generates (R,+), whose order is n. I´m not sure.
04:39
@Committing to a name: I strongly recommend you Pugh's book instead of Rudin. The exercises in Pugh´s are an authentic gem.
@JoseAntonio I've never seen Pugh's book (which book is this?), but I liked Rudin. Many of the exercises proved things beyond the scope of the text and following them gave a much deeper understanding of the material.
@robjohn This one amazon.com/…
@JoseAntonio thanks for the reference
Also the two volumes of analysis of Terry Tao are terrific, the explanation are amazing, and incredible rigorous
@robjohn What is your opinion of Dudley´s book? It's what my professor uses. The proofs are really beautiful but is sometimes so difficult. His proof for example of Arzela Ascoli using ultrafilters was too difficult to follow, for me.
@JoseAntonio I have never seen Dudley's book either. Since I work at UCLA, I will back Terry's book :-) I haven't read it either, however.
04:59
@KarlKronenfeld OK. What is le solution?
hi all
05:33
hi
05:54
@IceBoy
06:09
@BalarkaSen 42.
06:30
@Committingtoaname Have not decided.
@Committingtoaname Good for you, go for it!
saw gone girl. best movie I've seen in awhile.
@anon You should see If I Stay, best movie ever.
@robjohn I like none of Tao's books, lol.
@robjohn Since I work at nowhere, I will back noone's book, lol.
06:58
@WillHunting skeptic :-p
07:11
@BalarkaSen The set contains $1$ because you get there by repeated applications of $\lfloor\sqrt{n}\rfloor$. Then it must contain all powers of $4$ by repeated applications of $4n$. Given any $k$, there is an $m$ large enough so that $\left(\frac{k+1}{k}\right)^{2^m}\ge4$. Then there must be some power of $4$ between $k^{2^m}$ and $(k+1)^{2^m}$, so repeatedly applying $\lfloor\sqrt{n}\rfloor$ to that power of $4$ will get you to $k$.
hello robjohn
07:34
How is everyone?
@Committingtoaname Hello.
How are you?
Hello @joao
@Committingtoaname I am not sure how to answer that :|
@Sawarnik Meaning it doesn't translate well?
Or you are not fine?
@Committingtoaname No, meaning I don't know how to reply [other than 'I am fine'.]
07:46
You could say, "I have had a good day doing $x,y,z$" or "I have had a bad day because of $x,y,z$"
You could also answer, with "I am fine, I am currently just doing $\alpha,\beta,\gamma$".
@Committingtoaname I am fine, I am currently just doing α,β,γ :)
How are $\mathfrak{A},\mathfrak{B}$ specifically going?
@Committingtoaname Just fine :)
@Committing $\mathbb{H}\mathfrak{ow}$ $\mathfrak{are}$ $\mathfrak{you}$ $\mathbb{anyways?}$ :)
08:22
@Sawarnik $\mathfrak{Sorry\; for\; the\; delay,\; I\; am \;quite\; fine \;myself\; :)}$
08:45
@robjohn Yes, that's it. Just multiply the endpoints $\log_2(k)$ and $\log_2(k)$ by some large power of 2 such that the difference of the floors are at least one.
@robjohn Our study at this moment is about the smallest $c = c(n)$ for which there is perfect power between $[n^{c(n)}, (n+1)^{c(n)}]$. This also relates to the number of perfect powers in $[n^k, (n+1)^k]$ for some $k$, which can be heuristically answered conditionally on abc-conjecture.
@PedroTamaroff throws table
@ccorn are you there?
09:00
@BalarkaSen Are you helping out Robjohn?
Me? No.
What made you think that?
I was simply agreeing with robjohn on his solution to my problem. He is too higher of a mortal for me to help him :P
Usually 'Yes, that's it' is used as affirmation from a teacher to a student from what I have learnt, but I guess I am still learning English :).
My native language is not English, so I guess you have to bear with me.
Nor is mine :). What makes you seek out Mathematics at the age of $14$?
Not sure.
09:08
You aren't $14$ with answers about Weierstrass's elliptic functions
How does being 14 relate with elliptic functions?
It is beyond the capabilities, unless you are a world famous prodigy!
That's just like your idea. There are lots of 14 and 13 year olds here who knows much more than I do.
That is simply not true
Besides, my knowledge on elliptic functions are very superficial.
@Committingtoaname It is true.
A 14 y.o. guy in MSE works with higher categories and stuffs I don't even know about
09:13
I won't argue, since this is obviously not true. I have seen him and he is also a liar.
@Committingtoaname who is?
Sanath knows what he does, AFAIK
Find a single video of him, a single legitimate news article, I couldn't find one.
you won't find any news of me either :P
He is publishing papers apparently. At $14$ he would have a news article
not sure. i can't claim he is a fluke since i don't know what he does
09:16
That's fine :)
apparently he is in CA and is contact with Urs Schreiber and Todd Trimble or guys like that.
more to the point though, i am not a world famous prodigy and i know a bit about ell functions if not in depth
@BalarkaSen Hi
Hello @ccorn.
09:21
Ahoy thar me matie :-)
Why would you possibly know lots of $13$ and $14$ year olds who know much more than you do? That makes no sense, I don't know a single person who is $19$,$20$ here that could answer a question about Weierstrass's elliptic functions
I was wondering something : Consider the modular equation $X(5)$. Wiki claims that the corresponding Riemannsurface is a sphere with 12 points removed. Any idea how to actually prove that? @ccorn
Do you have prodigy meet ups or something?
The genus might just be some fancy application of stuffs like Riemann-Roch of which I don't know anything about.
What about the punctures?
Does anyone have a physics explanation for why the Green's function is symmetric in its arguments: G(p; q) = G(q; p)
09:23
@BalarkaSen I'm not into Riemann surfaces. (These are always tempting you to try and imagine how they look like, and the result is always weird.)
@Committingtoaname @anon is 23, btw, and he knows more than probably a positive proportion of users in here.
Positive? Why do you say "positive"?
@ccorn Haha OK. I was just wondering if you can describe them by sheets or whatnots. For examples, those punctures can be topologically transformed into copies of C by z |-> 1/z and all what remains then is to determine the order of the flipping of each of the sheets that will wrap those slits.
But you admit the statement that you know 'lots' of $13$ and $14$ year olds who know more than you do is as delusive as it is ridiculous?
@IceBoy analytic number theorists almost always use "positive" to indicate "large" XD
09:27
icic
@Committingtoaname Not sure but I believe it is true. In any case, what we are doing is not mathematics.
We could do some probability about it?
I'd like to think of mathematics rather than trying to how many 14 y.o.s out there who knows more than me.
I believe my knowledge is pretty superficial and I lack a lot of mathematical maturity to study some branches I have yet to learn
For example, proper analysis
The question asker over here has made a comment asking for more references on the classical theory of elliptic functions. But he has already listed the good ones. And he cannot read the german Weber's Lehrbuch der Algebra. He seems to be moving toward modular equations, but prefers fumbling with $k$ and $K$, and generally seems to like ~1900 literature. If you have suggestions, please drop a comment there.
If he really wants to get started with modular equations in full rigor and all he needs Diamond-Shurman
But that requires a lot of knowledge in algebra and geometry both'
09:34
Hello Prof @BalarkaSen
@WillHunting I don't know what I'd do without him...
@robjohn I can live without him, lol.
@WillHunting throws tables
throws tables at everyone
@BalarkaSen I had a prof who jumped onto tables when excited.
Whoa.
HAAHAHAHA
09:44
@BalarkaSen trigonometric or logarithmic tables?
integral tables, to your delight
throws a copy of Gradshteyn and Rezhik
Greetings
Hello @Chris'ssis
@robjohn How about vegetables?
Haha that's actually a good one @Will
09:48
@BalarkaSen some hours ago I posted the solution to $$\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{2k-1}{k^{2s}}\le \zeta^2(s),\space s>1$$
Looks interesting.
Can I see the proof?
All is elementarily done.
@BalarkaSen It is on chat.
@BalarkaSen Use the simple fact that $$\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{2k-1}{k^{2s}}\le \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{2k-1}{k^{s+1}}$$
and then you see that $$1-\zeta(s+1)\le 0\le (\zeta(s)-1)^2 $$
Q.E.D.
I gave it to some students and professors, but all failed so far. This morning I sent them my solution.
What's next? Well, this one ...
$$\sum_{k=2}^{\infty} \frac{k^s}{k^{2s}-1}> \frac{3\sqrt{3}}{2}(\zeta(2s)-1),\space s>1$$
 
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11:38
@Chris'ssis Where did you find these?
They were proposed some time ago in the Octogon magazine (no solution presented). All you saw above in terms of solutions are my original ideas.
Interesting.
@BalarkaSen I like them very much.
I don't =(
Too olympiadish to me.
But interesting nonetheless.
Good solutions, @Chris'ssis.
Thanks :-)
11:44
I'm confused by the following statement: If $x$ is any value of $5$ larger than $5$ then $$\frac{x^2-10x+25}{x-5}=0$$ is true
@Darksonn Doesn't seem to make sense. Any hint probably of $x \to 5^{+}$?
$x = 5$ is a removable singularity nonetheless. Can't really say what they meant without the context.
@BalarkaSen Someone else said something about Vacuous truth
Not sure.
I'm not a logicist.
Hello @TedShifrin
@Chris'ssis It is quite obvious that $\displaystyle \sum_{k = 2}^\infty \frac{k^s}{k^{2s} - 1} > \zeta(2s) - 1$ but that factor of $3\sqrt{3}/2$ is bug-a-boo. What interests me is that $3\sqrt{3}/2$ is of geometric interest, so I'd like to know how it came in there.
12:03
@BalarkaSen Be creative.
What I can not create I don not understand.
R. Feynman
13:03
$(\forall x)(\forall y)(\exists z)(y \geq x \Rightarrow y=x+z)$
@Chris'ssis Help me with trivial thing above? I imagine it is because I am tired, but I can't see if this is true or false
I always negate things to test if they are true or false, and $(\exists x)(\exists y)(\forall z)(y \ne x+z \Rightarrow y\lt x)$ seemed true, but so did the original statement
Oh sorry forgot to say, $x,y,z\in\mathbb{N}$ with $0$
13:19
@Committingtoaname Sorry, I'm practicing dancing right now.
Math is the greatest dance there is
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Hi @DanielFischer
@DanielFischer How's it going? Could you please assist with a question I posted. Any insight would be helpful. I have posted two proposed solutions. The post is here.
@Alex Whether the limit exists or not depends on the used definition of $\lim_{x\to 0} f(x)$. I don't think using the sequence criterion is helpful here, though.
13:33
@DanielFischer I'm assuming the usual definition of the limit at point for a function defined on $\mathbb{R}$. Cant the result I am using from wikipedia not be used the way I used it in proposed answer 1 since x_{n} = x for some n?
I mean 'can'.
@Alex Problem: There are two "usual" definitions of the limit of a function at a point. For one definition, the limit exists, but not for the other.
@DanielFischer Oh okay, what are the two definitions?
@Alex One uses $(\forall x) (x\in D(f) \land 0 < \lvert x-a\rvert < \delta \implies \dotsc)$, the other is identical except it uses $x\in D(f) \land \lvert x-a\rvert < \delta$. The second definition includes the value of $f$ at $a$ if $a\in D(f)$, and then the only possible value of the limit is $f(a)$ [if the codomain is a Hausdorff space]. The limit exists for the first, but not for the second definition.
@DanielFischer What does the symbol ^ mean?
@Alex $\land$? That's "and" (logical).
13:45
@DanielFischer I understand how they differ. The first one I guess would be the one more commonly used in say first year calculus (in Stewarts book). I wasn't aware of the second definition.
@DanielF !
@DanielFischer The result quoted from wikipedia that I included in my post, do you know how to interpret that? Is it saying that we can only apply it if x_{n} is not equal to x for any n?
@Alex Federico Poloni and mjh apparently also were not aware of it. But if the task is to show that the limit doesn't exist, that must be the definition used, or the exercise is incorrect. [It would be different if you were to show that $\lim\limits_{x\to 0, x \in\mathbb{C}} f(x)$ doesn't exist. That limit exists in neither definition.]
@nabla !
Hi @TedShifrin
13:51
@Alex That supposes the first definition of the limit [for the second, one does not need to exclude $x_n = x$].
Hi @Ted. Comment vas tu?
Ça va bien, merci, et toi?
does anyone here have any experience dealing with death anxiety?
@DanielFischer So then wouldn't my first proposed proof be fine?
Sounds like a serious issue for which you should get counselling, @Jorge
@JorgeFernández All the time.
13:54
I seem to get episodes of it every couple of years
@JorgeFernández 'Dealing' is a strong word, I would say 'wallowing'.
I hadn't had one for like 4 years
but getting into college triggered one.
Math is stressful enough when you're mentally healthy ...
It's really sad because the first tme it happenned to me was when I was 5 and my neighbors convinced me a meteorite would come and we would all die in a year, after that my mind became screwed
Math relieves anxiety for me
13:56
@Ted Aussi bien, j'ai revenu de ma sÅ“ur ce midi, ma nièce a fait un gâteau formidable.
Yum @DanielF ... un gâteau de ?
@Alex Yup, it would be fine.
Well, @nabla, you have your shares of anxiety, too :(
haha, I guess the best thing is to think about other stuff
Sometimes joking around can be very damaging, @Jorge ... I'm sorry.
13:57
@TedShifrin Buttercremetorte, après une recette de mon grand-père.
any flavoring in the butter cream, @DanielF?
A hint of vanille.
ah, I was hoping for orange zest or hazelnuts or something :)
@DanielFischer So would my second proof also be okay where I consider two separate sequences rather that two subsequences of the same sequence as in the first proposed proof?
@TedShifrin Well, there are a lot of cut hazelnuts in the cake, but not in the butter cream.
14:00
ah, ok, I can live with that :P
@Alex Yes, that too.
so, @nabla, what are you learning these days?
@DanielFischer Okay thanks. I just want to confirm that the reason why the limit does not exist for the second definition is that both 1 and 0 satisfy it.
@TedShifrin Not much in my analysis class...Our first midterm is in November because we're moving so slowly, and our second midterm is a few days before our final exam, lol
I am enjoying my Number Systems class, though
I was just picking on the guy that's teaching our analysis course, @nabla. He's only just finishing the topology chapter in Rudin. Absurd.
(We're at the midpoint of the semester in a few days.)
Number systems seems backwards after you already took algebra, @nabla. What does that course entail?
14:03
@TedShifrin Is it a 1-semester course?
yes, it is
@Alex No, neither $0$ nor $1$ satisfy the condition. There are points arbitrarily close to $0$ [including the option of being $0$] with $\lvert f(x) - 1\rvert > \frac{1}{2}$, and points with $\lvert f(x) - 0\rvert > \frac{1}{2}$.
@TedShifrin Peano Systems, recursively constructing $\mathbb{N}$, defining addition/substraction, etc. and we're just about to construct $\mathbb{Z}$ and $\mathbb{Q}$
ah, well ... not so much my taste in math, @nabla, but some people love that
It really helped me understand induction better
14:05
well, that's for sure :P
My favorite induction problem, @nabla (which can be done other ways) is this: Prove that no matter what $n+1$ integers you pick between $1$ and $2n$, there must always be a pair where one divides the other.
can I give a non-induction proof?
LOL, you can do whatever you want. I know there are other proofs ;P
haha, I meant if you would be okay with it
Well, I was giving it to @nabla to practice his induction :)
I also want to practice with you, but later because now I have a calculus test. I have been studying completely alone in the library for weeks, and I have negleted all the other aspects of my life, which I think is what is causing my mental health problems
14:10
yes, @Jorge ... Go out and have some fun with your friends.
Yeah, that's what I have been thinking, thanks!
Take care of yourself
@DanielFischer If you have a chance could you explain why the 'if and only if result' I quoted from wikipedia is relaxed to hold even if x_n = x for n if I consider the second definition of limit of a function that you gave.
@Alex Because an important part of the definition is for all sequences ...
So you consider sequences where $x_n = x$ for some (possibly all) $n$, and sequences where for all $n$ you have $x_n \neq x$.
@DanielFischer I'm not following the reasoning. Would I be right in saying that if using the first definition of limit of a function, that wiki result only applies to sequences where x_n \neq x for any n?
14:24
@Alex For the first definition of the limit, you are not allowed to look at $f(x)$ at all [if $f$ is not defined at $x$, both definitions coincide], so you must restrict to sequences avoiding $x$.
@DanielFischer I'm starting to see the light, but its still quite dim. So the 'iff result' as I stated in the post is stated for the case where we are using the first definition of the limit of a function(whether f is defined at x or not ) or if we are using second definition of limit of function where x is not defined. But if using the second definition and f is defined at x then there is no restriction...Is that the idea?
Right, @Alex. The second definition of limit corresponds to using all sequences in $D(f)$ converging to $x$, and the first definition corresponds to using all sequences in $D(f)\setminus \{x\}$ converging to $x$.
14:39
I posted an arXiv trackback feature-request on Meta.SE. I hope Math.SE this way will become more visible to more mathematicians.
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Kewl @DanielFischer thanks. Does the squeeze theorem not apply to the second definition of the limit of the function?
@Alex Why shouldn't it? Of course you need to include the values at the point in question.
@DanielFischer Oh yeah no I see, the way Polon and mj used the squeeze theorem did not include the value.
@DanielFischer Can I drop you a message if you are not online and I have a query? This has been very helpful.
@Alex If you ping me in chat, I will be notified when coming back.
Kewl thanks @DanielFischer
15:23
Hi, from yesterday I'm with the following exercise and I'd appreciate If someone could check with a I have so far. Thanks: Let $R$ be a commutative ring, not necessarily with identity, and whose only ideals are $R$ and $\{0\}$, and $R$ is not the trivial ring. Show that $R$ is either a field or $(R,+)$ is isomorphic to $\mathb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}$ (which I denote for simplicity $Z_p$) for $p$ a prime numeber and the product of any two elements is always zero,
The first part is completely trivial because if it has a $1$, it follows immediately that is a field (as is commutative and doesn't have proper ideals). But if not have a $1$. First I shall show that the product of any two elements is always $0$. If not, let $rs\not=o$ then $(r)$ (the ideal generated by $r$) it must be entire Ring, i.e., $Rr=R$ and so there must be some $a\in R$ a s.t., $ar=r$ and is easy to see that this $a$ must be the $1$, contradiction.
Since the product of all the elements is zero and the Ring is not the zero ring, so, for a non zero $r$, $Rr=\{o\}$. So let \langle r \rangle$ is a subgroup of $(R, +)$ generated by $r$, and is clearly an ideal an so there must be the entire group $R$. So there is a $n$ s.t. $nr=0$ and we can choose the least such $n$. (From here I'm not completely sure how to show that $n$ must be prime) but from here and the homomorphism $Z \to (R,+)=\langle r \rangle$, sending $n \mapsto nr$
Wow, what a huge rectangle, lol.
is clear that $nZ$ is the kernel and by the isomorphism thm, it follows that $Z_n$ and $(R,+)$ are isomorphic.
To conclude only we have to show that $n$ in the above argument must be a prime. Well I'm not completely sure but if not, so is composite $n=ab$, and also the subgroup generated by $ar$ is an ideal and has to be the entire ring. But this is a contradiction, since the order of $ar$ is $b$ but $R= \langle r \rangle$ has order $n$.
15:44
I just found a way that uses no pen and paper for
$$\sum_{k=2}^{\infty} \frac{k^s}{k^{2s}-1}> \frac{3\sqrt{3}}{2}(\zeta(2s)-1),\space s>1$$
No pen and paper, eh
@Chris'ssis
$\displaystyle \int_0^\pi \lfloor \cot x \rfloor dx=-\pi/2$
This is the claim
the justification is to use the $\int_a^bf(x)dx=\int_a^bf(a+b-x)dx$ trick
When i compute it i get $2\sum_{n=1}^\infty\arctan(n)$
@Alizter I created and evaluated something similar.
which diverges
Im sure there must be an error with the convergence of the integral
@Alizter Probably must be taken as a principal value integral, $$\lim_{\varepsilon\downarrow 0} \int_\varepsilon^{\pi-\varepsilon}\lfloor \cot x\rfloor\,dx.$$
15:54
@DanielFischer eek
Why?
(The integral doesn't exist as a Lebesgue or improper Riemann integral, so ...)
@DanielFischer I don't like the idea of pinciple value integrals :S
@Alizter Oh, okay. But principal value integrals aren't so bad.
@DanielFischer thanks. I think the author was a bit lucky.
15:58
that it could have a value
usually integration tricks like that run into convergence problems
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