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14:03
@DanielFischer Well ah
I see
Thanks
$\LaTeX$
Coool.
r9m
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@eXtremiity is it true that the next naruto shipp is about Itachi and Shisui ?
Hmmmm.
Probably !
You do see Shisui in the last episode. I do not mind these fillers.
They fill in the gaps :) .
r9m
r9m
ya .. these are actual 'fillers' :D
;). Sure are!
You can also see the wrath of Danzo.
And how a corrupt line of business can prove beneficial.
14:13
@Chris'ssis I may have summed that in an answer. It looks familiar.
@robjohn I have an unusual way of computing the first tan series.
@Chris'ssis that's tan and not arctan and there are no $\pi$s in there?
@robjohn Right.
@Chris'ssis Maybe I haven't done those sums yet...
@robjohn They are cute.
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14:22
@Chris'ssis the first one $\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^n}\tan\left( \frac{1}{2^n}\right)$ .. telescopes right ?
@Chris'ssis I have an idea...
@r9m it does?
@r9m Yeah.
@robjohn Yes, it telescopes.
r9m
r9m
yay ... :D
14:38
Gosh, took my maple like 20 seconds to plot it, @Chris'ssis.
@eXtremiity :-)
And yet, it has produced something so simple...
Interesting!
@Chris'ssis what is the sum? ISC can't find it.
@robjohn $1-2\cot(2)$
Yep, that's what the graph says too.
Nice.
14:41
@Chris'ssis It is odd that ISC could not find that!
What's ISC?
@robjohn ISC often fails. I wonder if those guys realized how unuseful thing ISC is.
(I hope I'm not tough saying that)
Interesting...
@Chris'ssis It seems pretty good usually, but if Mma and ISC fail, it is usually not too worthwhile to follow.
14:48
@robjohn I experienced many troubles with ISC. Maybe it's useful sometimes.
@Chris'ssis the site has problems, but the lookup is useful
@robjohn, How to find the value of $\dfrac1{1*2*3*4}+\dfrac1{2*3*4*5}+\dfrac1{3*4*5*6}+\dots+\dfrac1{9*10*11*12}$
I would honestly pay people to check my work.
This site is so valuable.
Some of the greatest and ambitious minds on this planet.
Priceless.
@eXtremiity, you are right.
This site is boon for self-learning students like me.
@Sush Note that $\frac1{x(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)}=\frac13\left(\frac1{x(x+1)(x+2)}-\frac1{(x+1)(x+2)(x+3‌​)}\right)$
15:00
Indeed it was !
Could learn from so much by just having a book and mathstack.
I.e. a book of the topic you wanted to study.
@robjohn, thank you. How did you notice that?
@Sush experience. Once you see the sum of a reciprocal of products like that, you don't forget it.
@robjohn
!!
@robjohn, ok. Will surely practice such sums more. Thanks.
@robjohn $$\tan\left(\frac{x}{2^k}\right)=\cot\left(\frac{x}{2^k}\right)-2\cot\left(\frac{x}{2^{k-1
}}\right)$$
@Chris'ssis yes, that does it
15:10
@robjohn, is there some trick for $\dfrac{1*2}{3!}+\dfrac{2*2^2}{4!}+\dfrac{3*2^3}{5!}+\dots+\dfrac{15*2^{15}}{17!‌​}$, too?
@Sush just the finite sum, or the infinite sum?
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@eXtremiity so True .. :) .. I benefited so much from here .. (y) .. especially the nights before my assignment submission dates (lol) :D
Haha :D !
Hmmm, i have exercise for finite sum only! But if you will give me both, i will be obliged.
@robjohn
@Sush I think there you can use $\frac1{n!}-\frac2{(n+1)!}=\frac{n-1}{(n+1)!}$
15:14
Ok, Trying.
@robjohn
that should do it
@robjohn ok!
r9m
r9m
Is it true that Neils Bohr had a pipeline of beer running into his house .. with perpetual supply of beer from Carlsberg ??? :P :D
How do I do the combination symbol?
$^{6}C_{6}$.
Oh. Like that xD.
r9m
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or $6 \choose 6$
15:27
@Sush the infinite sum should be $\left(e^x-1-x\right)\left(\frac1x-\frac2{x^2}\right)+1$
Hmmm, yes. I think I do prefer what you have suggested.
Oh beautiful. Uses "choose".
Thank @r9m.
@eXtremiity I like $\binom{n}{k}$
That is nice too !
@eXtremiity infix doesn't feel right to me
What do you mean by "infix"?
r9m
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15:30
the operator is in between the operands
@eXtremiity when the operator is between the arguments rather than before (prefix) or after (postfix)
Ah yes! Haha, that does make sense.
Well, they taught us the infix in high school.
In uni they tend to use what both you and r9m have suggested.
But I guess that infix was built into me.
What do the French use?
Snails
@eXtremiity I can accept it for $+,-,\times,\div$
15:31
Ofc ^_^.
@eXtremiity how do you handle more than one argument with infix?
Well, in high school - it was possibly the only infix I ever used other than + - etc.
So it was easy to establish it within my mathematics.
But I have to admit, as more symbols were introduced I do prefer the other way.
r9m
r9m
@eXtremiity snails ? what does it mean ?
I was joking. I though user127 was saying "What do the french use to denote their choose symbol".
And I just said snails :p.
6\snail 4
Bad joke, I know.
And why snails? Cause the french eat snails :D.
r9m
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I guessed something like that :P .. thanks for the confirmation LOL
15:36
Haha ^_^.
lol
Someone told me the French always use odd notations
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Once I read an answer to question posted by a user named Chinamath .... that started with something like "My proof is also very Chinese. I will infact use the Chinese Remainder Theorem .... " .. :D
2
Hahahahahaha.
15:56
I wouldn't be able to use the W-M test to show that $\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^{k-1}}{k}$ converges uniformly, right?
16:47
boo
@meer2kat hoo
:(
dont cry
:-)
crying is healthy
16:50
Meow
Just read in the transcript about a certain mom throwing out math books. WTF?
Ok. What the heck.
I would fume.
They're bloody expensive to start with.
meowww
people throw out....math books.........what is this heathenry?
that shit cray, @ccorn
over half my library is math books
wow....oh my....that's intense and so beyond wrong
i believe though. people are nuts. when i missed church three or four times and my mom found out she started crying and asking what she did wrong
16:55
Hahahah !
Sorry to laugh. But that is rather hilarious.
What she did wrong.
Why did you miss church?
i was exhausted
and had math homework to do actually
And what can be more important then that.
Especially during Uni.
don't get me wrong, i love going to church. but when you're doing poorly in a class you'd already taken back in high school, study time comes above everything
Of course.
I prioritise my study over everything.
With that said, its 3am and I should be heading to sleep.
What is sleep?
Are you a college student lol?
17:03
@Mike. Thx a million for today. I did a lot of maths today and wouldn't have progressed as well or learn't as much if it wasn't for your assistance ! I think I've got a good grasp on this now !
Yeh, I am.
You?
Yep, me too. In that case, you're in college. Sleep isn't allowed :P
So true.
Well, adios !
buenos noches
spelling. argh. whatever.
@eXtremiity Adios!
 
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18:24
The last message was posted 1 hour ago.
le poof
how are your math textbooks? @user127001
any survive?
Hi @meer2kat
No
I still have my laptop so it's ok
I'm sorry to hear that
18:43
Does anyone have a good reference which describes cut-off functions
18:59
so quiet
19:27
@meer2kat Boo!
...........
So silent............
@skullpatrol Hey.
Yo wazzup?
19:42
evening
I know the factors of 16259
but how to prove it without revealing them....
hmmmmmm
would anyone like to commit to a bit?
r9m
r9m
71 and 229 google showeth .. but how to prove I do not knoweth
In asking, you showeth thou art honest and diligent
Did you use the primes in order as divisors?
19:52
no
if you ask from me
I knoweth the primal numbers and thus their product was revealed to me
r9m
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$4^2.10^3 + (4^2 + 3^2).10 + 3^2$ looks tempting .. but dosent really factorize
factorization...thou art cruel
Any ideas how to show factorization is NP?
well, good night from Finland.
r9m
r9m
20:10
morning from my place :)
1:40AM
@r9m Its called night.
r9m
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@Sawarnik I've got sunglasses on .. what are you talking about ?
:P
@r9m That the sun in quite high at 1:40 AM.
You should check.
r9m
r9m
quite high in the sky indeed
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20:27
229 is $3^2.5^2 + 2^2$ .. but $71$ is a prime $4k+3$ ...damn I give up !! :'(
@r9m I hope it ll be down by afternoon.
@robjohn I just came up with another marvellous solution to that arctan series that is not based upon telescoping process.
r9m
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@Sawarnik maybe ..
@r9m But since I m living at Amundsen-Scott it may not be. Hope it does in Chennai :p
Why does CS's avatar change everytime?
Because she has magic.
20:43
I love magic
Hi Bart.
Still thinking of your username?
I suggest you just use your first name and last name
Well, the fact that you remember me means I may after all not have to
But yes, I am still considering the possibility
Sometimes I change my username.
Just look out for a blue square.
Or use your sibling'sis/bro just like CS's.
20:44
But sometimes others impersonate me too.
Sometimes you change your blue square too.
Uh oh x2
Are you still mad at me @jasper?
You guys fought?
@skullpatrol No, not mad.
@user127001 No, never fought.
20:46
@skullpatrol Why?
We always argue
@skullpatrol No, never argued.
@robjohn
r9m
r9m
I know Jasper's secret (like Hulk has a secret) .. he is always mad :P
@r9m Yes, I am mad.
20:46
Jasper
Oh god how do I delete my chat message on my phone
That came out wrong
Check the menu
r9m
r9m
@Sawarnik what was that ?
didn't see that
I was thinking of a reason why he was mad.
There's no need to delete, we are not writing a novel here
We are, by definition, chatting
No we are wasting time.
20:50
Same thing
I said a bad word by accident
@user127001 Are you a Christian like your mum?
Jasper no but I don't want to get banned from the chat for saying swear words
We all choose to
@user127001 OK. Have you explored Buddhism?
20:53
@user127001 don't worry; accidents happen :-)
Jasper no
@user127001 OK. To me, it is truth.
Wow one of the students in my class is a lecturer here
@user127001 Wat?
(I'm an undergrad sophomore)
20:54
@JasperLoy I can read your mind. You are making this up.
She teaches math at our school
@Sawarnik Bullshit
Sawarnik what religion are you I want the power to read minds I will join any religion for that ability
Its not religion, its called talent ;)
I wish this mobile chat would automatically upate the chat so I don't have to keep manually refreshing the page
20:57
Religious talent?
@user127001 Are you on mobile?
Yes Jasper I am in class right now
Which class?
Modern Algebra
Must be boring for you.
20:59
I failed the first exam and the dropping period passed so I don't care anymore
@user127001 Then you should not be in chat.
He doesn't give partial credit so I literally got a 0% on my exam
@user127001 I hope you can still pass the course.
wtf nobody gives 0%
Literally
>8(
Well, he graded by letters and not numbers, so no partial credit.
I got the lowest marks for each problem :\
Although I did have some minor computations correct
21:03
Show him who is boss by nailing 100% on next one.
It could be that he is stoo stupid to understand your solution. This happened to me sometimes
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+1 @skullpatrol
No, my professor is a world class expert on Algebra (he is John H. Conway)
r9m
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OMG
21:04
OMG
skullpatrol I can barely grasp group theory, I'm not sure I can get 100 on rings/fields
Don't stop trying
You can still learn a lot from failure
@skullpatrol That is why I told you have mod-like qualities.
@r9m Prove that for any triangle ABC and point P inside ABC, the sum of the distances from P to the sides is less than or equal to half of the sum of the distances from P to the vertices.
21:11
I'm sure if you really try your best you could beat most of the people in your class that he is grading you against @user127001 they must have some background information that you didn't :-)
r9m
r9m
@Sawarnik look up Erdos-Mordel Ineq in google
@r9m Ah, you know everything!
@user127001 the grading system is strange in that no partial marks are given
0% is only given to those who don't show up
The empty seat :-)
@Chris'ssis yes?
@robjohn I wanted to show you this one. A different way of computing that tan sum.
21:46
@user127001 Both J H Conway and J B Conway are known mathematicians, lol.
@JasperLoy I don't wanna be known at all, I wanna be like Ramanujan or beyond.
@Chris'ssis You are known, because I know you!
@JasperLoy :-))))))))
Hey folks. So, I think I'm about to embark on a journey to "learn math". I mainly plan on using math.ucr.edu/home/baez/books.html#math to do it.
However, I think there is kind of an omission of a class of book on that list, namely a basic historical-ish overview of modern math.
He does have Dieudonne, A Panorama of Pure Mathematics on there, but that's kind of too advanced for what I'm looking for.
So I'm curious if anyone has like a... popsci-ish sort of book to get a good feel on how all the different bits and piece of math fit together.
To be clear, I'm not looking for a book on math history, but rather a book which uses the history to help motivate why the different fields are important.
@Darius It's not what you're looking for at all, but you might be interested in the Princeton companion to mathematics
22:00
Hmm, amazon.com/Mathematics-Its-History-Undergraduate-Texts/dp/… looks like it might be the sort of thing I'm looking for.
@Mike This does look interesting! Thanks.
@Mike I take it that it's more of a reference book than something you'd read from cover-to-cover?
@Darius That's correct, but it's definitely pretty easy to get into with minimal background (more is better, but all that's truly required is calculus). But as you approach new topics you may enjoy looking at them in the PTM.
@Mike Got it, thanks.
My main worry is getting confused by a single proof or single idea in some book and then spinning wheels and burning out on it, so having alternate references is definitely very important to me.
Heya, @DariusJahandarie, how is #haskell these days?
Hey there! Hehe. It's good, though I'm not terribly active in there myself these days.
One of my motivations here is knowing normal math well enough for Mac Lane to actually be interesting and useful to me.
So much abstract math is built for, well, less abstract math that I don't know.
(I'd also like a better handle on homotopy for the HoTT stuff.)
Normal Math = Not category theory?
22:08
Yeah, something like that.
I'd think some algebra and topology may help connecting it to actual things.
That's right. But I figured I should probably go actually study the other things like Analysis too while I'm here.
Of course you should. But that's pretty detached from the abstract nonsense.
Hey, @Ted.
Well, anyways, thanks for the tips all, gotta run.
Hi @Daniel
22:12
Will probably be back if I actually get in gear and do this. :)
22:22
So today he talked mostly about game theory and surreal numbers
He challenged a student at a game of "Dots and Boxes" for $20 and lost
Oh yeah, my prof. lit a joint and passed it around the lecture room. @user127001
:D
j/k
@Daniel I have a new question you might enjoy.
@Ted My homework is rapidly getting silly
@Mike Let's hear, err, read.
Hey, there's a newsvan in front of my school
Should I give a shoutout to MSE?
@Daniel $L^\infty (\Bbb N)$ is a unital commutative $\Bbb C^*$ algebra. So it's isomorphic to $C(X)$ for some compact space $X$. I've been told but haven't proved that $X$ is the one-point compactification of $\Bbb N$ (at least, it's easy to see that $\Bbb N$ is a subspace.)
22:37
ABC news
@Daniel So the question is: hat is the multiplicative linear functional corresponding to $\infty$? My first guess was the Cesaro mean, but I found a bounded sequence for which the means didn't converge.
@Mike It's the Stone-Cech compactification of $\mathbb{N}$, not the one-point-compactification.
Oh. So there's going to be a huge number of such functional a.
Generally, $C_b(X) \cong C(\beta X)$ for completely regular ($T_0 + T_{3\frac12}$) $X$.
@Mike Limits along ultrafilters.
yikes
Maybe I'll stick to the problems my book gives me instead of just fiddling with things I think of
The latter seems to end in tragedy.
22:47
Some men just want to watch the world burn
@Mike The latter will become your research papers.
@user127001 Well, this world is full of stupidity and evil
The fate of Oedipus; the death of king Hamlet; the Stone-Cech compactification of the natural numbers.
The liberation of Jasper
The failure of user127001
23:14
@Mike
@KarlKronenfeld
@PedroTamaroff
@user127001 Yes?
Just wanted to fit in
How are you doing Pedro
Bit tired.
Same here
Mentally exhausted
23:23
C'mon, nobody got a chuckle out of the tragedy joke?
I didn't understand it
Because I'm culturally deprived
I've never been to Disneyland either
@Mike I have to find two radical ideals in $\Bbb Z[X]$ whose sum isn't radical.
RETRY.
those are both maximal @PedroTamaroff
@KarlKronenfeld Oh, SIGH.
Nevermind, not sure yet.
23:32
Don't give me any answer please.
I will try to come up with an example.
23:49
@FernandoMartin Hello.
I'm doing Alicia's homework.
=)
Hi @Karl @Fernando @Pedro @Mike
Whoever wrote these tasks have a really hard time with arithematics. Last task had overall 124 points. This task has 100 points, but this question of supposedly 25 points have 18, and another of 35 has 27...
23:58
@TedShifrin Hello.
Have any ideas yet, @pedro?

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