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18:00
link please @julien
Ups, some things are wrong there
@Chris'ssis What?
@BalarkaSen $$\lim_{n\to\infty} n^2\int_0^1 \int_0^1 \sum_{i=n}^{\infty} \sum_{j=n}^{\infty} \frac{x^{i}y^{j}}{ij}\left(\int_0^x \frac{\log(t+1)}{t} \ dt\right)^2 \ dx \ dy$$
Hi great cat @charlie How are you?
18:04
@Chris'ssis Sheeesh.
Ram
Ram
Hi All, is {\mathbb R/ \mathbb Z}/ n {\mathbb R/ \mathbb Z} isomorphic to mathbb Z/ n mathbb Z?
@robjohn Good one. I look forward to use as well as abuse this idea. xD
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18:22
@Chris'ssis I just saw this in the sidebar: $1$ :-)
@robjohn That one is $1$. :D
@robjohn I hope you liked that. It's awesome.
Estimate $\zeta(x)\sim1+2^{-x}$
The rest is insignificant
@robjohn Indeed. I did it the long way although your argument is OK.
@Chris'ssis which long way?
@robjohn sent it :-)
18:28
Please vote up my Questions:)
Link please @marlon
@MarlonAbeykoon Why?
Im a software QA engineer.. lives in Sri lanka Please I have some unanswered question regarding set theory
when you guys are free please attend my Qs.. thnx
I only see math.stackexchange.com/questions/667633/… but that's not unanswered.
@Chris'ssis nice
18:32
ya i mean still I havent got a correct answer for tht
@robjohn Thank you! When you say nice, then it's really nice! :-)
@robjohn Are you guys telepathically communicating each other?
@MarlonAbeykoon The hint is pretty much enough. Can you draw the conclusion from there?
@robjohn Ok,is exactly that.
email-pathically :-)
pathically pathetic.
18:35
@BalarkaSen Of course... can't you?
@robjohn I am not Gandalf nor Galadriel.
Internet = Ethernet
@skullpatrol I don't think that Chris'ssis has my email.
@skullpatrol ??? where do you get that?
Then what do you mean by 'sent'
18:39
@julien nice
@robjohn get what?
@skullpatrol That internet = ethernet. They are definitely not the same.
@skullpatrol thanks, but with the lemma we don't understand where does "the new zero" come from..
@robjohn sorry
@julien I will put a bounty on it, if you want?
18:45
@skullpatrol Thank you that's nice but I'll wait if someone has a solution
Ok, let me know :-)
ok no problem :)
Hey Ramanujan (@Ethan)
19:18
Is it only me or has the number of somewhat interesting questions dropped since Wednesday?
I would think the answer to that depends on one's interests, so yes it is "only you" ;-)
@DanielFischer things vacillate around here.
20:26
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$(r(e(m(o)v)e)d)$
Vedremo
$(d(e(v(o)m)e)r)$
DeMovre?
We lack an $\sqrt{-1}$
Imagine one
20:36
We lack an 'ary'
20:46
Hi everybody
Is @OldJohn here?
@PaulEpstein Why? Number theory?
No, I want to try and persuade him to enter a chess problem solving event
Oh, okay, I am not onto that.
I stopped playing chess a long time ago
21:16
@Ian @Pedro The minimal I found is $x^8 + 3x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 + 27$, which satisfies the property.
You might be able to get minimal polynomials in chess too -- Balarka. You certainly get polynomials.
I think I can greatly improve a small part of an exposition by Terry Tao, but it's only a small part.
I played chess once, knew 3 or 4 end games but I forgot at least 5 of them.
@GabrielR. Anti-holotopic isogenus polyhedral convexity anti-littlwood Riemann surface-like manifold.
I learned a proof of Van der Waerden's theorem off by heart, and I still haven't forgotten it.
21:32
Just improved to $x^8 + 9x^3 + x^2 + 24x + 3$
Yay! I am getting close.
@Balarka Did you know how to checkmate with a bishop and a knight against a king.
21:49
@PaulEpstein Sure.
@Balarka, you were an IM or a 2400 player? What was your FIDE rating?
Though mine wouldn't be optimal though.
@PaulEpstein O_o?
@Ram R/Z is divisible, so n(R/Z)=R/Z and (R/Z)/n(R/Z)=1.
@Balarka If you're 14 years old, you may be slightly precocious. You must be one of the world's best mathematicians in your age range.
Or did I misread something?
I am unsure about that.
@PaulEpstein I don't think so.
21:56
@Balarka, You know undergrad maths thoroughly and some graduate maths. You understand Lie groups and related theory?
Lie groups are definitely not my forte. I am more of a field theorist.
Than ring or group or algebras.
@Balarka, a child prodigy for sure, I find that interesting. When I was 14 years old, I was proud of the fact that I understood the theory of quadratic equations and the binomial theorem.
Darn the internet connection.
@PaulEpstein I am not a prodigy.
Hi, @Paul, @Balarka, @anon
hello
22:04
@TedShifrin Hullo
I see I've squelched the conversation
Which conversation?
well, perhaps there was none ...
Hey @Ethan
@TedShifrin Indeed.
There were none.
no, was :D
22:07
@TedShifrin Have you heard of my problem?
The polynomial factoring one?
try <BR> or <PAR> ... </PAR>, @Ethan?
alright
um, I dunno, @Balarka ...
The problem was to find a polynomial, f(x) = g(x)h(x) with g and h over Z[x] such that coefficients of f(x) are all nonnegative and smaller or equals to 10.
well, there must be more, @Balarka ... or I could take $(x^2+1)(1)$ or $(x^2+1)(x+1)$ or ...
22:11
I found one with coefficients at most 15.
you're not telling me all the requirements, @Balarka :P
Oh, yeah, f(2) is prime. =P
And also, g and h are nontrivial (i.e., nonconstant)
ok, so we need $g(2)=1$ but $g(x)\ne 1$.
Hi @Ted I'm afraid I've gone back to struggle mode on the Szemeredi theorem.
No CAS allowed. Eyes watching everywhere =P
@TedShifrin Yep WLOG
22:14
@Paul: I know nothing (like Sergeant Schultz on the old American TV Hogan's Heroes)
Does anyone know if there are any commutative rings where FLT is an open question.
@Paul Z[i]
@TedShifrin Sgt Schultz was a clue on an NYT crossword recently
ah, 2\ne1 :(
@Balarka, FLT is open for Z[i] ????
22:16
How funny @Mike ... and hi.
Hello
@PaulEpstein Yes.
Actually the whole real FLT is not applicable to Z[i]
You can find some counterexamples for n = 3 and n = 4
But it's believed to be finite
Hence the Z[i]-version of FLT
@Balarka, here's a good one. Please don't google the answer. It's to find out what type of mathematician you are.
062862089986280 What is special about those digits?
@Paul: I'm the sort of mathematician that immediately tunes you out for that.
@Paul Either 0 mod 2 or 0 mod 3?
Yeah, yeah, I am a number theorist, okay?
22:21
@Ted Yes, there's so much you don't understand -- you would learn a lot from seeing how I approach these things.
@Paul I don't see any good reason for a mathematician to know the origin of those digits
Right.
I agree, +1, @Mike
LOL, seems I'm not alone, @Paul. :P
@Balarka, As a number theorist, you might want to look at Lie groups, I'm sure they come up.
I know about Lie groups, @Paul. And I'm supposed to see those numbers and think of Lie groups ... why?
22:23
@Ted A large part of my success comes from taking my own path.
I also googled it, so it now seems even more uninteresting :P
I'm not denigrating you in the least, @Paul. I'm just saying I don't give a **** about questions like that.
What is it? Where does Lie come from?
@Ted, No, those numbers don't have to do with Lie groups. Ted, I'm not denigrating you either.
<--- confused
22:24
@Balarka "the 71st through 85th digits of pi"
who the **** cares?
8
presumably the Lie group comment was completely unrelated
That's lame.
I have no idea, @Mike. Maybe I should mix @Paul a martini.
22:24
@TedShifrin How rude.
I have been known to be blunt and, yes, rude, @Balarka. And now I'm getting old and senile.
That's good.
@TedShifrin I suggest gin and lime
LOL, the senile part?
I like senile peoples.
22:25
ROFL ... great.
@Ted I just mentioned Lie groups when discussing areas of mathematics with @Balarka. I think they would be good for him to know -- that was my context. Then, when he has mastered Lie groups, he can teach me about them.
Hahaha. Not a chance.
There are all too many aspects of Lie groups. We geometers care about certain aspects. Algebraists care about very much different aspects.
Granted, some representation theory shows up in geometry, too.
Sure, Lie groups are important to know, but knowledge of a large variety of fields makes you more competent at applying their tools to your problems in general
@Mike True. I love this aspect.
That's why I just concentrate on what I do.
NT
22:27
I've always been proud of having a broad background in math, even if I wasn't a superstar in a narrow way as some have been. And then we have people like Griffiths and Tao who are super-broad and super-stars.
@Balarka, when you get to your 20s you should try to be more generally well-rounded :)
@Ted Do you have a preferred source for intro to rep'n theory of finite groups?
Hell, no, @Mike. I know almost no representation theory.
I know, but I can't pull myself out of NT and concentrate in, say, differential topology.
@Ted Have you proved any results where the statement of the theorem is understandable by non-specialists? I'd be interested.
@Balarka ... When you get older, you'll discover that, in fact, differential topology and differential geometry have lots of interaction with number theory.
22:30
I knew algberaic topology has somethings to do, but I didn't know that.
@Ted Haha. Neither do I. :P
No, @Paul, but I've given plenty of colloquia where I've done expository work to make it understandable in a general way.
I suspect that whether the diff geo part connection with NT is even true.
@Ted Hopefully, no one stormed out in the middle of your talk.
My thesis was in complex integral geometry, @Paul, and the warm-up for that field is Crofton's formula, which tells you that you can figure out the length of a curve by finding (in some sense) the average number of intersection points with lines.
22:31
It is. $p$-adic Hodge theory, for instance, is popular and a useful tool nowadays.
Hyperbolic geometry ties in hugely with number theory, @Balarka.
That's algebraic geometry, AFAIK
A grad student some number of years ago countermanded his adviser and took my year-long differential geometry class because he knew he wanted to understand the connections with number theory.
yeah, @Mike, @Balarka wins on that one.
@Mike, many people think anything with the word "manifold" or "derivative" means differential geometry. Not so.
I'd argue it's number theory more than either :P But at the very least, the roots of the theory come from differential.
Don't think I don't have a good concept of branches, Shifrin =D
22:33
Well, characteristic p algebraic geometry is very close to -- if not -- algebraic number theory, but there are different questions.
Actually, I wouldn't argue that very hard. But I would say it and then refuse to say anything else about the subject.
Hodge theory for Riemannian manifolds and Hodge theory in algebraic geometry are really very different.
Granted, the origins are the Laplacian and Hodge. But there is a big difference in what one studies. So don't lump anything with a differential form into differential geometry.
Hai maik, ted
@Pedro !!
@Ted OK.
22:36
Wuzz poppin?
@Balarka, I wish half the undergraduates in my senior-level differential geometry course knew half as much math as you do. You might not know what you need for my course, but neither do they, even though it's all prerequisites.
so, @Pedro, having fun in your summer class?
Hey all.
heya @nsanger.
Wow, even though I try to raise the average age here, the teenagers bring it down below @Pedro's age :P
Not too kuch fun
@TedShifrin OldJohn and I should bring it right back up :-)
22:41
?kuch?
Just the sameold Basic calc
well, @Pedro, maybe eventually you'll take my (and Mariano's) advice.
Well today my teacher "proved" that $1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + \cdots = -1/12$ and that it is so "wonderfully fascinating" and proved that math is beautiful.
-_-
LOL @robjohn. I have no idea what your age is :P
It's false, @nsanger
22:42
@nsanger Urgh!
oh god, I hate this fad with non-convergent series.
For now, @Balarka enjoy your youth :-)
it's starting to get on my nerves
Well, it seems "true" if you use really odd and counter-intuitive methods of assigning values to infinite series.
it's false in Cauchy sense.
Go to Ramanujan.
22:43
physicists have been "renormalizing" infinite sums/integrals for years, but this fad is something else.
Caismir effect -- string theory -- blurb
@TedShifrin I graduated high school in 1977.
Whats yours and marianos advice?
But the second he was like "so looking at $1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + \cdots$, the partial sums are all either $0$ or $1$ so clearly we just take the average"
ok, robjohn, you're 7 years younger than I.
22:43
facepalm
Césaro sums, @nsanger
@nsanger Is he an idiot?
@TedShifrin I know ;-)
@TedShifrin But that's not cauchy convergence.
@Pedro: To start taking courses that will challenge you instead of the stuff you basically know. I would argue you should not shun computational skills, but otherwise you belong in courses 2 years ahead of what you're taking.
22:44
But if you're going to use Cesaro sums, you should say it outright, instead of just claiming that $1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + \cdots = 1/2$.
@TedShifrin So you, OldJohn, and I should bring the average up :-)
Yah.
Agree with you, @nsanger
yes, @robjohn, of course, but even with our inconsiderable mass, we're outweighted by the young'uns ... It's just the 14-year olds that know more than most math majors who are really the factor :P
Well, we're a little older than 14... :D
@TedShifrin yeah, that's just incredible.
22:46
But also
well, some of you, @nsanger ... :)
The math I know
is little
I assume talking about someone else, then?
22:47
Are there other high school-ers here?
Hem Hem
Oh.
And now I feel dumb.
@Balarka: Stretch yourself up to your full 1 meter height :P
Thank you
Shit, you're in 9th grade!
22:48
Profanities, N
And now I feel unaccomplished.
I'm doing Spivak with a high school senior who meets with me for 1 1/2 hours a week and is learning more and doing better than almost all students who've taken the course from me (13 times teaching it) with 4 hours a week. Exceptional talents are much fun.
Did you just volunteer to do that?
Yes. I'd met him at a math circle I conducted last spring.
It wasn't hard to convince him working with me would be better than the standard AP BC calculus class.
Lucky him :D I'm starting to feel I would get much more out of that book if I regularly talked to someone about it.
22:51
Our regular college class is actually dying. So many kids take the BC course, there aren't enough students to take our Calculus with Theory class anymore.
Yes, @nsanger ... I still lecture at him, and we've done some applications that aren't in the book. But I've pushed him hard on the theory, too.
That's too bad, BC Calc leaves a lot to be desired.
Though I haven't actually taken it...
Yeah. I hate it. Especially with their giving more than 50% of the students who take the exam a 5. Anywhere from 60% to 100% on the exam.
I like complex analysis much than usual real analysis
That's absurd.
Both are beautiful, @Balarka.
22:53
Probably. But somehow I am partial towards CA
I too love complex analysis, because of all the interplay with geometry, topology, and algebraic geometry.
@TedShifrin lol they wont let me take the Ap Calc Test BC at my school
I'm starting to get annoyed at Spivak though, since I bought it to do truly rigorous Calculus, but it seems I would need measure theory to do it completely well.
At least some parts of it.
@Ethan: They shouldn't be able to stop you from taking it. Just take it. I did that back in 1970, even though we didn't have an AP calculus course.
22:54
They don't even offer it at my school
No, no, @nsanger. Learn Riemann first. Do measure theory after you've mastered Riemann.
Yeah, @Ethan, I had to drive somewhere to take it.
I got a paper thing some days ago, anyway I have to register for AP tests within the next 2 weeks from today
Find out where to take it, if you're prepared to.
alright
I know, it just bothers me when Spivak makes claims where I'm like "yes that's probably true... but we have none of the tools to prove that so we can't really assert it yet."
22:55
That's his anal style, @nsanger, but respect it.
@anon i was trying to prove the intersection of a p sylow of a group G with a normal subgroup. N og G is a p sylow of N
@Pedro: I liked you better when you weren't on your phone, spurning TeX :P
Im on my ohone se pardon le typos
Get it together, @PedroTamaroff
has now lost all respect for @Pedro
22:56
@PedroTamaroff take a p-sylow of N, expand it to G, consider the fact all p-sylows are conjugate, etc
Errbdy haates me know
what happened to your desktop computer, @Pedro?
@Pedro My phone typos are manageable, you sound drunk :P
Might as Well crqwl back into me cave
this doesn't sound remotely like @Pedro ... except he still throws real math around
22:57
I have a lapot but too big to carry around
where are you?
Where is the real pedro, imposter?
after midnight?
It's seven
22:58
Its 8pm
Its 4:30 AM
oh right, he's only two hours ahead ... it's 8 ...
@anon i hace to show any ps sylow of N lies inside a p sylow of G
I hope @Pedro heard (again) my earnest advice, nevertheless, phone notwithstanding.
any p-subgroup of G lies in a sylow of G
22:59
Yes, i was abt to say that
tehes tpyos aare a mses
now you're being mean, @Balarka

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