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14:00
@Sawarnik Dunno, seriously.
@N3buchadnezzar That problem is equivalent to proving $$\int_0^{\pi/2}\int_0^{\pi/2} \frac{k^2\cos^2(x)+k'^2\cos^2(y)}{\sqrt{(1-k^2\cos^2(x))(1-k'^2\sin^2(x))}} dx dy = \pi/2$$
@BalarkaSen What is your IQ? Got it measured?
I will leave this to you and I hope you'll leave me in peace, nebu.
I need to try some NT questions peding.
@BalarkaSen ^^
@Sawarnik Yes. I think it was something very low, less than average.
@BalarkaSen Huh. Was it some fake online test?
14:04
@Sawarnik I don't think so. It was tested when I read in 4th grade, in my school.
By actual teachers.
@BalarkaSen Oh, so WBBSC schools are better than mine.
(Now if I think clearly, they can be some alien robot looking like teachers)
@Sawarnik It was a private board. Lower secondary.
@N3buchadnezzar What are those happy looking eyes for huh? Do you know how much tiresome it was to get there?
Ok, I will leave you in peace, answer the question, and ping me back.
@Sawarnik Answer which question?
Ones you told Nebu, after solving that tiring integral
Or can you manage 2 things a time?
14:09
@Sawarnik Oh that. Nah, I can't do it alone. I already gave some heuristic and let's see what other collaborators think of that.
Typos can make things misleading.
@BalarkaSen Now really, are you concerned anything else in life than maths?
No.
What do you mean by that?
I am a geek though, if that's what you mean.
What about schools? I do not think you do study for exams or complete assignments.
I do study for exams, though rather late. It's bad, I know. And about assignments, I we usually get too few of them in WBBSE =D
Me too:)
Study it all in one night
14:18
@Sawarnik Have you heard of nerds?
That's me.
Well, you can always trap me on silly tricks like
Now that was interesting. :)
One thing, your medium of instruction must be Bengali.?
Then how come you be so proficient in English, computers...
14:22
Yes, that's something I can take credit of.
I am naturally good at English and Computer science
Ooh, that because I have rarely seen a state board student so proficient in English
Do you know that something like facebook exists?
I have heard yes, but rules are rules.
"Only above 18"
No, facebook allows it for 14. :P
And I am not interested in useless talk.
That's what they do in fb
Oh yes, I forgot that you are socially inept.
14:25
Yes, geek, call me please.
Geek and proud of it!
Thats not useless really, you can connect with some distant persons, it makes contact for a long time. if you what i mean.
=D
@Sawarnik Math forum. Does that ring a bell?
I am in 2 or 3 of them.
Oh, geek. Do you have friends?
Mathematics collaborators and fellows, yes.
Friends of your age?
Nonmathemaical
14:28
2 friends of my age mathematical. None non mathematical.
One thing, you really taught me how extreme geeks can be.
Happy to help!
But really sometimes, world outside maths can be fun
Have been like this all through your life? From nursery?
14:31
Nope. Just been like that for a few previous years. I figured it is useless to talk to those who doesn't know math.
like me?
You know a lot math. Enough for me to talk =D
but this talk is not mathematical
nonmathematical talk with mathematical persons is just fine.
ooh. another interesting aspect. and then, why do study bio then. NADPH (was that right)?
14:34
My syllabus.
you said you study them on the last day. you are a mild be concerned of you grades :P
I should, but someone said I should not.
So I should not.
But then if I should
I should not
Which means I should and I should not
But then that clearly means I should not.
End result?
QED
I should not.
or should I?
There is no end.
TorBledNam
You are like me. Except though on the deadline, I can stay up whole night.
14:37
I stay up whole night everyday, lol
You skeep in school?
sorry, sleep
No. I wake up in 10:00 and then I marathon.
A wake me up before you go go, I ain't goin' on solo
A wake me up before you go go
[And sorry if I am distracting you in a useless talk, you can walk away any time].
I like useless talks with mathematical persons.
Your school starts at 10?
14:39
10:35
My God, I have to wake up everyday at 5
its unfair
Do you have ANY other interest apart from maths?
REallY?
14:40
Technology
Though I am not meant for them
Things like cricket?
=D
I knew the response,
Legilimency, you should learn.
XD
And I presume you know what Legilimency is?
A Google search of that word shows you have read Harry Potter?!
Yeppers. Read and seen all.
And I am now reading LOTR
Lord Of The Rings, I mean
I like reading such fantasy books.
Ah! I though you did not read or see things unrelated to maths.
Sherlock Holmes?
It is really interesting, Holmes is just like you.
14:44
@Sawarnik I haven't but I should look forward to. I like fantasy much, thank you
Ah, so your life is more than maths. Physics like things, like it?
Oh, nevermind.
XD
(Xenophilleas Dudley)
Really, read Sherlock, telling you. Any movies that you have watched?
Lots movies. Mostly animation and fantasy and ghost.
(Looks like I am revealing my ungeekness one by one.)
You are evilish clever
=D
You had really made be believe that you are a psychopath.
14:50
@Sawarnik I like to think that I am. Isn't that enough?
=D
Maybe, but you are not a geek by birth.
You made yourself so.
The other type are really strange.
@Sawarnik Yes, that's a good point.
You are getting more and more like me. For my part, whatever is being taught in school, I am always doing math problems [though not of your level] on the back of my notebook.
But still I am not socially inept, so much.
There? I have question of derivatives, would you like it?
15:11
Are there sets on which no order can be defined?
@saadtaame depends
15:30
@Sawarnik Fire away.
@BalarkaSen Where were you?
Sorry but I have come back.
Uh, gone for a minute
@robjohn I didn't get you , you said "that would allow dist$(x,y)=0$ even when $x \neq y$".
@BalarkaSen You should go to olympiads. It would be nice if you could get the country some medals. :)
15:41
@Sawarnik I have already told you why I don't want to go there
Yes, ok.
Have you sat on IMO?
Me???
Say I want do series expansion of series reversed function. Do I need to expand around the desired value of the original function and then reverse the function, or can I reverse the function and expand about any point?
15:42
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@MatsGranvik Wat?
Come again?
By formal notations this time please.
@Sawarnik I see.
I have not given RMO as well.
@BalarkaSen I will try to do a computation this weekend and see if I can express myself in Latex.
@MatsGranvik How can you reverse without expanding?
@Sawarnik Good.
15:44
@BalarkaSen That is my question, is it possible?
@BalarkaSen But will give it for the first time next year.
@MatsGranvik Not always.
Provably.
Sometimes.
@Sawarnik Good luck!
I hope you do well.
I am having the flue for the first time in many years.
@BalarkaSen But I agree with your concept. Too much work for nothing.
@MatsGranvik What flue?
15:46
influenza
@Sawarnik Right.
@MatsGranvik That's bad
@BalarkaSen Are planning to do some original research of your own?
@Sawarnik I have already done so.
@BalarkaSen Published?
The paper's on preparation.
Then we will publish, yes.
15:48
@BalarkaSen Oh my God! On what?
@Sawarnik Sum of cubes equal to square of sum property of multisubsets of $\Bbb N$
I have heard for the first time that 9th grader is publishing a paper. Good luck!!
Are you sure the research has not been done before?
@Sawarnik Well, some considered it, but our work has not been done before, we are sure about that.
Our? Your father?
@Sawarnik Hahaha, no. I have 2 collaborators.
Both mathematicians.
And number theorist.
15:52
Of some university? And you are ninth grader in between them?
Thats cool
@Sawarnik Yes.
Good! And bye, you may now rest in peace. :)
@Sawarnik Have you heard of OEIS?
@robjohn I have another question , Consider a subset $Y \subset X$ of a linear vector space . I am considering the cardinality of the continuous linear functionals over $X$ and over $Y$ . What do you suggest ? In my opinion the cardinality over $Y$ is equal to that of over $X$
because of so called "Hahn-Banach "
@Complexanalysis I haven't really thought about it, but I think the cardinalities should be the same.
15:55
@robjohn Ok.
@Complexanalysis well, it should be that $\mathrm{dist}(x,y)=0\implies x=y$
@robjohn got it .
@robjohn are you going to watch any of the Olympics?
@N3buchadnezzar For this integral, look here
@skullpatrol I watched some skating and skiing last night.
@robjohn what is meant by saying a set is "bounded".
16:05
@Complexanalysis in a metric space it means that for some $M$, we have $\mathrm{d}(x,y)\le M$ for all $x,y$
@robjohn Lets say a set of family of functions .
@Complexanalysis Is it a collection of bounded functions? if it is a bounded set of functions, then you have to ask what the metric is.
@Complexanalysis Are they $L^p$ functions?
if i consider a uniform metric then i guess it means that $\sup |f_n(x)| \le M \forall f_n \in Y$ @robjohn right ?
@Complexanalysis that sounds right.
Hi, I would like to start a bounty on my own question but 100 is the minimum? why?
16:15
You would like it to be less, right?
@skullpatrol yes
I think they would like to encourage people to answer other people's questions first, rather than get their own questions answered.
@BalarkaSen Yes, OIES, yes.
I mean OEIS
hum but it was just to share what I have found. Never mind..
Greetings
16:26
Greetings
Unfortunately @julien math is really not a sharing and caring type of subject.
@skullpatrol I do agree with you here..
16:45
@Sawarnik Have you seen the list of Bureaucrats and Admins?
@BalarkaSen Why?
oeis.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop and oeis.org/w/…. Charles R. Greathouse is with whom I am coauthoring.
I have a few sequence there coauthored with him which indicates what I am working with, actually.
@BalarkaSen Sequences are also coauthored?
@Sawarnik Yeah, sure.
When I first saw the Möbius function, I had a feeling of the mystical. Kind of like mixing concrete and to discover that there is a lump of hardened powder in the concrete mix. Then you crush the lump and experience the mystery of crushing it to see what is inside. In the real word you are the first see that crush, in the ideal mathematical Plato cave I don't know. Maybe many before you have experienced the mystery.
16:51
@Sawarnik Why'd you delete that?
We happen to be in a math forum.
@BalarkaSen Because I thought I was going too deep. But is he living near you, so that you can actually collaborate.
@Sawarnik That's okay.
How can we live near?
He is in Samland and I am in India.
You call that near?
=D
So, you are going to publish a paper which have you no hold of?
Absolutely not!
What is the best path of topics from basic to advanced to understand category theory better?
16:55
Why does collaborators have to be 'near' to publish a paper?
I mean, they must have something to show in the authors column, an unknown 9th grader from the other side of the Earth?
By near, I mean actually, close.
@Sawarnik Sure. His email ID and his name. That's enough.
Leave it, those things are beyond me.
More than enough, actually.
You have developed quite a contact.
16:57
Yes, as I have said, we are in the same forum, and he worked with me on the same topic.
Do you want to join where we are?
It's a great place.
Will I understand anything?
@Sawarnik Yes, you seem to lack a bit knowledge in peer-reiviewed publishing =D
@Sawarnik Yes, as I said, it's a forum.
See my profile and scroll down to the bottom of 'about me'
You will see the link to MMF.
Register and join.
Seems interesting.
You might find a lot to contribute and participate in.
It's true.
No, it's absolutely not like this place.
It's a Q&A site
Why/
17:01
and that's a forum
But performs similarly.
Not really =)
Generally forum topics are questions, and posts below are answers.
@Julien Has there been a bounty on it before?
We can discuss things there, whereas this is just get-well-formatted-answer-for-a-well-formatted-question.
There is a lot of difference.
And both has it's positive sides.
As well as negative ones too.
17:04
Comments?
On this site
That's not really a place for explicit discussion. You won't understand if you haven't been on both places, a forum and a Q&A site.
You said something true.
It's true, alright, but I do hope I am not being partial at any respect.
No, not at all ! :)
Why do you now hate lower maths? Its still very interesting.
@Sawarnik Do you mean word problems?
17:08
No, not at all.
Then what exactly do you mean by lower maths?
Although, it depends on your definition of word problems.
I mean anything you studied before integrals and blah vlah.
I never hated them.
It seems that you are completely disinterested.
How does it seem so?
17:12
Dunno how to explain that. It seems, but I maybe wrong.
You are wrong :)
Heh, no idea =D
I am really getting addicted to this chat.
Is there some cure for it?
xD
I am not sure.
Ask @Pedro
He may know
Wake up, Zombies.
Yeah, haha.
@Charlie What's cookin'?
Nothing.
Byes. I will stay awake today, skipin' school tomorrow.
17:19
does anyone here have interest in category theory?
@Pedro
@Sawarnik Have you ever thought about quintics?
Hey, @Parth we meet again!
@GabrielR. anti-desaregaus anti-Riemann differential monodromy
17:38
@BalarkaSen Yes, but it goes beyond my head.
I spend quite a time on cubics, and understand them quite well, quartics to a limited extent.
But algebra gets quite complicated at quintics, beyond my handle. And things like Galois theory pop up, of which I do not understand a word.
Cubics are quartics are intriguing. I recall I found a couple of years ago an iterational method for deriving Cardon-Tartaglia.
@Sawarnik What literature on quintics have you read?
About galois theory, I'd prefer you download Dummit & Foote from the site I referred to and go start reading it out.
Starting from basic, you'll see nothing will get over your head.
And Dummit & Foote is the best book that handles abstact algebra carefully, as far as I know.
Really, but I have an internal fear for quintics. Will I understand it? Are you sure.
@Sawarnik I can bet 50$ that you will understand galois theory after reading D&F thoroughly.
Now, who's going to play the bet wimme?
@Sawarnik What exactly do you fear? Why do you think you will not be able to understand it before even looking what it says?
Do you have a brief idea of what Galois theory actually says?
I will try, dont you think algebra gets very complicated, that is my fear.
And Galois theory, people study in undergraduate courses, another point of fear.
@Sawarnik There is no algebra in abstract algebra, that's the fun. It starts from the basics of set theory and no background on anything is needed, except ability of sheer logical understanding, which I think you have well.
17:48
But what is in it?
@Sawarnik What is in what?
Things like abstract algebra and Galois theory.
It's a new branch without essentially anything needed as a background. Like geometry. Are you particularly asking what galois theory says? I can give you a brief explanation (understandable, of course)
It's a new branch without essentially anything needed as a background. Like geometry. Are you particularly asking what galois theory says? I can give you a brief explanation (understandable, of course) if you want.
@robjohn Not on this one

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