« first day (1089 days earlier)      last day (4228 days later) » 
00:00 - 21:0021:00 - 00:00

00:44
@N3buchadnezzar Was it tough?
@anon
hello
something about bernoulli something?
@anon What?
nothing
How is it going?
meh
my dog is trying to convince me he is a cat
needs to be in a superposition of both in and out of my room to be happy
00:48
@anon Heh, my dog has similar problems. But sometimes I think she thinks she's a person.
@anon HAHA
So no bad news?
nope
I thought "Meh" was going to mean bad news.
no, meh is just the absence of awesome news
Can't believe I didn't learn about action groupoids until now..
learning about groupoid cardinality?
00:53
@anon Heh. I advanced with the Bernoulli numbers, did you see?
didn't really look at it
I have essentially been avoiding thinking for the past few days
@anon No, I was looking at the review of group actions at the beginning of a book and realized that you can make a groupoid similarly to how you construct the fundamental groupoid of a topological space. I am wondering if there is any representation theory of groups via groupoids.
you may be interested in groupoid cardinality (as it relates to combinatorics - generating functions, species, stuff types etc.) or as a more category-theoretic approach to quantum theory through groupoidification
@anon Thanks, I will look into those.
@anon Ah, why?
01:06
because that is the true meaning of summer
@anon Haha, OK. In my defense, I got a convolution proof of Faulhaber's formula.
Not interested?
I'll look at it at some point.
@anon I am having trouble in proving the vanishing of the odd ${\bf B}$s...
One can do it with some analysis and powerseries, but I'd like to keep things as discrete as possible
Plus, the fact we can expand $$\frac{x}{e^x-1}$$ as a powerseries around $x=0$ is pretty nontrivial.
@PeterTamaroff I actually tried, a month ago maybe, to do exactly that.
I don't know if one can argue on the growth on the derivatives at $0$ which are the Bernoulli numbers or something.
One might able to obtain a recursion.
But still, I don't like it that much.
I'd take it as a last resource.
01:12
one thing I've thought is interesting is that x/(e^x-1) is a kind of formal "commutator" between the worlds of discrete and continuous
@anon Explain.
Does anyone understand this answer? If so, could you explain it to me?
let $D$ be the derivative operator. then $e^{hD}f(x)=f(x+h)$ by Taylor's formula, so $e^{hD}-1$ is the discrete forward-difference operator $\Delta_hf(x):=f(x+h)-f(x)$. in particular, we have the "discretized derivative" $\frac{e^{hD}-1}{h}f(x)=\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$. Thus $x/(e^x-1)$ at "$x=hD$" is essentially taking the derivative after first inverting the process of a discretized derivative
@anon Ah, yes.
@user1 @anon @robjohn Anyone of you understands this?
what would you like to know about it?
@anon I don't understand how the solution works, what the unknowns are, and so forth.
01:22
I am not sure I know which row operations are being referred to though
well, the unknowns are the $B_k$ for $1\le k\le n$. there are $n$ linear equations in the $B_k$s, forming a linear system
@anon Ah, OK.
Do you think it can work?
probably
01:48
@anon This might be a good time to pick up Knuth's book.
@anon Dude
cool
02:11
@CoarguAliquis What brings you to math.SE?
02:30
me? Finding math interesting I guess. Additionally, There are often questions that I think I can learn from other users about general strategy. That's all I think... By the way: this room isn't about math?
02:47
@CoarguAliquis Yes, it sure is. Amongst other things.
03:43
$e^D$?!
03:59
@FrankScience It's defined by the formal Taylor series for the exponential function.
@AntonioVargas I don't know the theory of infinite-dimensional vector space. For example, we see that $D$ is a linear operator on $V=\mathcal C^\infty$. Is $e^D$ well-defined on it?
are you familiar with Taylor expansions?
@FrankScience I haven't thought about that kind of thing for a while, but I would guess that you'd need to restrict your space to analytic functions for $e^D$ to operate on it.
I'm not sure that $e^D=\sum_{n\ge0}D^n/n!$ converges to an operator.
$\displaystyle\left(e^{hD}f\right)(x)=\sum_{n=0}^\infty h^n\frac{f^{(n)}(x)}{n!}$ is the Taylor expansion of $f(x+h)$ around $h=0$ when $f$ is analytic at $x$
04:06
It works locally.
the partial sums of the formal series expansion converge pointwise to the shift operator on the space of analytic functions, I am not sure if they converge any more "tightly" than that
If $f\in H(\Omega)$, then it converges for any valid $h$.
I have a question.
Seems easy.
Suppose $F$ is the resultant of $\phi(t)-x$ and $\psi(t)-y$ over $R[x,y][t]$ where $R$ is an integral domain.
@FrankScience you might also like this old, weird question of mine.
How can I prove that $F(\phi(t),\psi(t))=0$?
I could argue informally. For example, $x=\phi(t)$ and $y=\psi(t)$ have common root $t$, therefore $F(x,y)=0$.
If $R=\mathbb C$, I think it's proved, for $f(t)=F(\phi(t),\psi(t))$ have zeros $\mathbb C$, therefore it's a zero polynomial.
@FrankScience I am not sure I understand; isn't $F\in R[x,y]$ a scalar?
04:17
@anon $F\in R[x,y]$, yeah. What do you mean by a scalar?
oh, I see now
Well, $\phi$ and $\psi$ are of positive degree.
We can assume that $R$ is a UFD if we cannot answer the general answer immediately.
@anon I conceive an ugly proof. Suppose $\phi(t)=a_0+a_1t+\dotsb+a_mt^m$, $\psi(t)=b_0+b_1t+\dotsb+b_nt^n$, where $a_j,b_k$ are indeterminate, then $f(t)$ should be a polynomial of variables $a_j,b_k,t$ over $\mathbb Z$. Since when $a_j,b_k\in\mathbb C$, it's zero, therefore it's zero polynomial. Right?
I don't follow
Well, step-by-step. First, let $\phi(t)=a_0+a_1t+\dotsb+a_mt^m$ and $\psi(t)=b_0+b_1t+\dotsb+b_nt^n$, where $\phi,\psi\in R'[t]$ where $R'=\mathbb Z[\{a_j\},\{b_k\}]$.
Therefore $F\in R'[x,y]$
$f(t)=F(\phi(t),\psi(t))\in R'[t]$
$F\in R'$
04:32
No, $F\in R'[x,y]$. It's the resultant of $\phi(t)-x$ and $\psi(t)-y$, both of which are of $R'[x,y][t]$.
oh
Set $a_j\gets u_j$ and $b_k\gets v_k$ where $u_j,v_k$ are complex numbers whenever $u_m\neq0,v_n\neq0$, then $f=0$.
After assignment, the problem reduces to the complex version.
Right?
 
4 hours later…
08:22
@anon: Hello anon. :-)
hello
I think this question was mistakenly closed. math.stackexchange.com/q/453808/8581. The OP asked his/her question properly, however others didn't think that. Thanks.
@BabakS. I had a feeling that was the case. I couldn't understand the question but my sense was that fewer people would understand the nature of the question than there were people voting on it.
If you provide an explanation of the question in the comments for others I'd cast my reopen vote.
@anon: Thanks. I 'll do that. :-)
08:48
@PeterTamaroff Not really, but I understand this. :-)
 
1 hour later…
MAB
MAB
09:50
Hello mathematicians!
why are you here
MAB
MAB
Can you suggest me a some good topic for an Article regarding Maths?
too broad of a request
Greetings
10:28
hey there
Can anyone please tell me how I can express the sum of numbers up to 20^2 in sigma notation?
summation notation?
yes
do you know how summation notation works?
yeah, somewhat
ok, what letter do you want to use for the index?
10:30
i
okay. what's the first number i starts at?
and the last?
should end at 20^2
and the numbers you are adding up are just the is
so $\displaystyle1+2+\cdots+20^2=\sum_{i=1}^{20^2} i$ (in LaTeX; see the sidebar for how to get it working in the chatroom)
10:35
@anon: thank you very much
Also, is it possible for a function to return a sequence
like
f(x) = 1 ,2 ,3 ..
I am not sure what you mean
Ok, maybe I'll put this question in a real world sense
I give a number to a machine
ultimately yes, functions can take any sort of value. f() could take values that are numbers, that are fruits, that are sequences or functions or teletubbies or sets or whatever
and the machine gives me a sequence for that value of x
yes, that is acceptable
10:37
f(1) = 2,4
f(2) = 4,6
something like that?
generally we parenthesize sequences
so, (2,4), (4,6), etc.
like {4,6}
and if they're finite sequences you may as well call them tuples
no, {4,6} is a set, not a sequence
sequences have order, so (4,6) and (6,4) are different, but sets do not, so {4,6} and {6,4} are the same set
ohk. i understand
so, what would the definition of f(x) be like if it were to return a tupple
could you give me an example of f(x) that returns a tupple
you can make them yourself
pick a finite set, like {1}
then pick a sequence for every element of the set, like (1,3,5,7,...)
then define f(1):=(1,3,5,7,...)
i.e. define a sequence for each elt of the domain
totally arbitrary, choice is all yours
10:43
ok :D
would it be possible to predict the sequence created by such a function
a function that we did not define
huh?
basically I'm asking if you can predict a sequence from another sequence
do they have anything to do with each other?
if a random person you've never met before tells you they're thinking of a number 1-1000, there's no way you can just completely guess it with no information
in order to make predictions you need knowledge
you can't just make stuff up
ok
f(1) = (1,2)
f(2) = (2,3)
f(3) = (3,4)
what is f(4)
we can't say
10:48
well obviously, it's got to be (4,5)
however, if you know something extra about this function, for example that it's on an IQ test or a human person invented it, then you can guess that it follows a pattern
no, it doesn't have to be (4,5)
it could be anything
ok, what if this pattern wasn't in a function
I could say "define f(1)=(1,2), f(2)=(2,3), f(3)=(3,4), f(4)=applejuice" and that would be a perfectly well-defined function
what does if this pattern wasn't in a function mean?
what if this was a patter was a sequence of sequences
*pattern
try again
10:50
(1,2), (2,3), (3,4)..
you could predict the next one
?
in what context?
in the context of sequences...?
in general, a function's values need not have any relationship with each other, so in general you can't blithely assume any pattern holds indefinitely
XD I get it
I could define a function f(1)=1, f(2)=2, f(3)=3 and so on up to f(10^100)=10^100, then f(10^100+1)=nintendo
10:52
but if f(x) = (x, x+1)
if you know f(x) for every x then you know f(x) for every x
:wisdom:
:D
If you were given a sequence like
f(1) = (1)
f(2) = (1,2)
f(3) = (1,2,3)
what would be f(x)
that would be f(x)
@anon I have a question
I think there is a flaw in the proof of a proposition of Fulton's book
10:56
@anon: uhh, I mean what would f(x) be defined as for such a pattern
@anon look at theorem 1 page 110
@Nick assuming the pattern continues, it would be (1,2,3,...,x-1,x) (but you know that!)
the tableaux book?
yea
I don't understand his proof that the $e_T$ generate $E^\lambda$
@anon: Ofcourse I know that but how do I mathematically say that?
@Nick I just said how to mathematically say it
10:58
@anon: XD no, I meant how do define f(x) for that sequence
f(x)=(1,2,3,...,x-1,x), must I repeat myself?
@anon He puts an ordering on the tableau and then say suppose $T$ has strictly increasing columns but is not a tableau. Then we may suppose that the $k$-th entry of the $j$-th column is strictly larger than the $k$ - entry of the $j+1$ th column (I get this). But then he says we have a relation $e_T = \sum e_S$, the sum over all $S$ obtained from $T$ such that...
@anon : O_O .. but that doesn't look like it holds for f(1), f(2) and f(3)
The thing is I don't think we can use the relations obtained from $Q$ to do this. For example consider the young diagram $(3,3)$ with tableau (from left to right, top to bottom) $1,2,3,5,4,6$
don't think I can help you
@Nick why wouldn't it? the notation means "write the numbers from 1 to x down in a tuple"; just because you see 1, 2, and 3 in the notation as supposedly distinct from x doesn't mean x doesn't necessarily take the values of 1, 2, or 3
11:01
@anon ok.
@anon: then according to your definition (if
I take it exactly)
f(1) = (1,2,3,0,1)
"I don't understand what dots mean" - you
oh!!
=_= so, that's the best possible definition?
I guess so..
it's the most basic obvious accessible straightforward jumps-out-at-you no-debate definition
it's the definition
@anon: Well thank you. :hug:
Ok, another question, If have 3 intersecting sets, How do I find the total number of elements in exactly two of these sets?
11:10
more information
11:40
Hi @amWhy how are you?
@Dr.Skully Good, thanks. And you?
@amWhy Fine thanks :D
@skullpatrol Did you see my edit? :-)
@amWhy Yipyipyip
:D
Yo wazzup @user1?
11:56
Is there anybody familiar with the ring theory?
I should admit that I'm too stupid.
@skullpatrol Hey, how's it going?
@FrankScience What's your question?
@user1 Fine thanks, how are you?
@skullpatrol Good thanks.
@user1 There're two.
First one might be easy.
I'm stuck on an easy integral, can anyone help?
12:09
Suppose $f,g\in\mathbb C[x,y]$ have no common factor. How can we show that $R=\mathbb C[x,y]/(f,g)$ is a finite-dimensional vector space over $\mathbb C$? It seems that the problem is related to the finitude of the intersections of $f$ and $g$.
@FrankScience I actually saw this result phrased using terms in algebraic geometry. Give me a little bit to convert notation.
@user1 Thanks. It's an exercise on Michael Artin's Algebra. I should have mentioned it.
@user1 Well, you can use terms in AG first.
@user1 Sooner or later I shall learn that.
@Alyosha Try to put into Wolfram Alpha first. It's a good idea to use computers to compute integrals.
You can actually avoid such terms for most of the proof, but we need the result that $V(I)$ is finite if and only if $k[X_1,\dots,X_n]/I$ is a finite dimensional $k$-vector space.
$V(I)$ is the algebraic variety corresponding to the ideal $I$? How can we prove that?
@FrankScience I know the result, it's the proof that's baffling me.
12:15
@FrankScience In the exercise, only one direction is needed, $|V(I)|=n<\infty$ implies $\dim k[X_1,\dots,X_n]/I$ is finite. Do you know the Nullstellensatz?
Does Hilbert's nullstellensatz helps? It says that the maximal ideals $\mathbb C[x,y]$ corresponds to the points in $\mathbb C^2$, the rule is: $M_a\mapsto a$, where $M_a$ is the kernel of the substitution.
You need to know that $IV(I)=\sqrt I$.
@user1 Can we make use of the preceding version of nullstellensatz?
What's $\sqrt I$?
Well, it seems hard.
Another question first:
12:19
I really do believe we do not need this geometry to prove the result.
How can we prove that $\mathbb R[x,y]/(x^2+y^2-1)$ isn't UFD?
(Omit the bar notation) I noticed that $y^2=(1-x)(1+x)$. However, I cannot prove that $y$ is irreducible in $\mathbb R[x,y]/(x^2+y^2-1)$.
On the other hand, $\mathbb C[x,y]/(x^2+y^2-1)\cong\mathbb C[u,u^{-1}]$ is a PID, therefore UFD.
hm :)
Somebody told me that Michael Artin's book is quite easy. However, I cannot solve many exercises on that.
Might this work? ((x-1)+y)((x-1)-y)=(x-1)^2-y^2=x^2-2x+1-y^2=2x(x-1)
Then?
Intuitively, $x$ and $y$ should be irreducible. However, I cannot prove it.
12:41
Every coset of $(x^2+y^2-1)$ has a representative of the form $A+Bx$, with $A$ and $B$ polynomials in $\mathbb R[y]$. I think you can use this to show that $x$ is irreducible.
I think $A+By$ might be slightly better, however, though messy.
For example, $(p(x)y+q(x))(r(x)y+s(x))\equiv x\pmod{x^2+y^2-1}$
I would guess this idea does not work. We have to do more than just symbol pushing, methinks.
Expand it, we have $(q(x)r(x)+p(x)s(x))y+(q(x)s(x)-p(x)r(x)(x^2-1))\equiv x\pmod{x^2+y^2-1}$
@user1 I don't know where $\mathbb R$ plays role in the process. Up to now, there's no difference.
12:45
@FrankScience I readily admit that I do not understand the distinction.
Then $q(x)r(x)+p(x)s(x)=0$
huhu
is the schwartz space with the family of semi norms hausdorff ?
@user1 Well, first I should do other exercises. There's too many undone.
@user1 Maybe there're some easy ones.
@FrankScience Maybe. Meanwhile, I will go get some rest; I might end up kicking myself after waking up for missing something obvious.
@user1 Incidentally, what's your first textbook on abstract algebra (or some topic covering groups, rings and modules)?
13:44
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Hey are you around?
The question on what is esthetically pleasing to a mathematician is hard to grasp..
Some would agree that $\frac{1}{4} \sqrt{\frac{\pi}{2}}$ is better looking than $\frac{1}{8} \sqrt{2\pi}$, but the reason why is unclear.
 
3 hours later…
16:50
starting on a 7 hour drive through the desert back home. BBL
 
2 hours later…
18:24
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Hola?
19:03
@AlexanderGruber
19:18
Hey, quick question. Given any non-empty finite set $S$ and partial order relation $R$ on $S$, must $S$ always contain a maximal element? Is it the case that the only way for for $S$ to not have a maximal element is if $S$ is infinite (for example, when $S=\Bbb{Z}$ and $R=~>$)?
@Adriano Let me think.
Hmm... I don't think so.
Wait.
Do you want a unique maximal element?
Or just one?
I guess you can prove by induction that every finite poset admits a maximal element. But you should see that uniqueness is not always possible.
@PeterTamaroff I guess it doesn't have to be unique. Although I had been thinking about the problem of constructing a poset that contains a unique maximal element but no greatest element.
You induct on cardinality, as predicted. =)
@PeterTamaroff Ooh, thanks. =]
@Adriano Next time: I googled "Every finite poset has a maximal element." =)
@AlexanderGruber Yo Aleksandrrr
19:34
Grubby! Please help Peter!
@Charlie I don't need help!
You are beyond help pal :D
@skullpatrol My coffee disagrees.
@PeterTamaroff What kind of coffee?
@skullpatrol The good one.
19:41
@PeterTamaroff I was just kidding pal :D
@skullpatrol Well, I'm not. You lose.
@PeterTamaroff you always do
@Charlie It depends on what kind of help you mean.
@PeterTamaroff math hel
P
Won't you say hi, @skull ?
@Charlie Hi, how are you?
19:46
People who are having discussions with their coffee really do need help...
My pillow also agrees.
Indeed.
Have you never heard the saying "talk to the hand"?
@skullpatrol better, getting better
@Charlie That's great to hear :-)
@skullpatrol Yes, they are crazy too.
19:50
And how are you, @skull ?
@Charlie Fine thanks.
@N3buchadnezzar I can't believe someone put it in Wiki
good :)
Talk to the hand, cause the head is filthy.
@skullpatrol Seen this one ?
watching...
@N3buchadnezzar ...nice
Very nice series about two boys,
20:14
Welcome back @Charlie :D
@Charlie I think peter got mad and stormed off...poor little sensitive boy };-)
20:36
@skullpatrol You're a poor soul, sir.
Can anyone help me with TeX?
55 mins ago, by Peter Tamaroff
@skullpatrol Well, I'm not. You lose.
@skullpatrol What is your point?
50 mins ago, by skullpatrol
Have you never heard the saying "talk to the hand"?
47 mins ago, by skullpatrol
@N3buchadnezzar I can't believe someone put it in Wiki
20:46
@N3buchadnezzar Do you know about TeX?
@PeterTamaroff Not much about Tex I am afraid, but I am well endorsed with LaTeX.
@PeterTamaroff $\sup$?
@N3buchadnezzar I'm struggling with TeXWorks and MikTeX
I am using TexMaker and MikTex
@N3buchadnezzar OK, I will use that one.
Remember you have to specify the directiories where MikTex lies to texmaker.
20:51
@N3buchadnezzar Sorry?
You have to tell TexMaker where to find MikTex on your pc.
@N3buchadnezzar Ah, yes.
@N3buchadnezzar Where do I do that?
Options -> configure texmaker
If you did not change where you installed MikTex usually C:/program files/MikTex
then everything should run smoothly, without the need to do anything.
I am getting "Unknown file name"
When I try to compile.
Did you remember to save your file?
Oh and googling the exact error often helps too =)
20:58
@N3buchadnezzar What do you mean?
I just pasted this
\documentclass{article}
begin{document}
Small is beautiful.
\end{document}
And hit the green arrow.
You have to save the file before compiling,
00:00 - 21:0021:00 - 00:00

« first day (1089 days earlier)      last day (4228 days later) »