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01:25
@Cerberus Here's your travel culprit: wired.com/story/airplanes-empty-slots-covid
 
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03:55
@cmw Haha I have also read about this.
Governments are too slow to act on slumping air traffic.
But it's probably still a relatively small amount of CO2 compared to what all air traffic emits yearly...
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04:09
@Cerberus Any completely unnecessary reduction would be fantastic.
@cmw Absolutely.
But apparently people do not care enough...
 
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15:48
What print latin dictionaries do you guys like?
This is nice but pretty expensive.
There's also Lewis and Short, though only in paperback (I prefer hardcover).
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16:28
@Cerberus I'm writing up a recommendation list now (been in the works for a while), but I list my two favorites here: latin.stackexchange.com/questions/17632/…
OLD and L&S are overkill for most beginners.
16:39
Definitely overkill for where I am at, although I don't mind overkill if it means I don't need to buy something else later.
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@Adam I have L&S plus the two I mentioned.
The problem with the big ones is that they're also unwieldy.
For quick reference, you'll probably be reaching for a shorter/intermediate dictionary, and only use the big ones for reference.
The two I mentioned are the best imo.
 
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18:07
@cmw So Cassell's along with L&S would probably cover anything I needed?
Oh nice, I see that Cassell's list the conjugation of verbs all together
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18:44
@Adam It's complicated. All the dictionaries have their strengths and weaknesses.
Glare is more updated, but Lewis & Short has the better layout. For shorter dictionaries, Cassell's is the more updated, but Smith & Lockwood has a few things Cassell's missed and is a tad bit more detailed in some parts.
Cassell's would be my first choice, but my first dictionary was actually Smith & Lockwood.
I remember not liking Traupman, but it might have been because it was a super cheap paperback version.
It doesn't seem any worse at glance. There's also the Shorter Latin Dictionary, which is an abridgement of Lewis & Short, but that would be redundant with the proper Lewis and Short.
Amazon has a pretty inexpensive hard copy of Cassell's and a reasonably priced big paperback of L&S. I haven't looked for Smith and Lockwood, yet
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What's expensive to you?
I bought a Cassell's recently and I don't remember it being very much.
$16 for Cassell and $39 for L&S
cheap
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Oooh, I missed the in-.
I accidentally had a space in it before I fixed it. :P
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18:57
Smith and Lockwood is usually sold by Chambers Murray, and Traupman under Bantam,
Be careful with the L&S paperback - it might not be official, could be crap publisher using photocopies of pages.
@cmw I found a few of those on Amazon. I believe this one is official, though.
Perils of being the public domain, I guess.
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"Nigel Gourlay (May 23, 2020)"
Not official.
ugh
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Seems reviews say it's good.
"4.0 out of 5 stars For me the only downside the print’s a bit too small to read for a long length of time. "
Who officially publishes L&S?
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19:05
Oxford.
Seems easy to find old copies from the mid-20th century, but nothing newer except unofficial copies. At least, that's all I've found so far.
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Glare's OLD is the replacement, which is probably why it's out of print.
OLD at the top, the shorter Lewis or Pocket Oxford are there, too.
I haven't looked at all 7 pages, but if it's not there it's out of print.
19:22
"only" $450
although Amazon does have that for less
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I know where you can get the PDF, which is cheaper still. ;)
lol
19:45
@JoonasIlmavirta the dictionary has an “all right” meaning
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@JohhanSantana You can see it here: perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/…
Search the page for "right!".
20:34
What did Oxford change in transitioning replacing L&S with OLD? I guess I'm curious if there are significant changes or revisions, or if it was just minor updates and a new name.
I can ask this one on the site if that seems like a better forum.
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21:04
@Adam MAJOR revisions.
It's a whole new dictionary.
@cmw Ahhh, so both in content (by that I mean the definitions themselves) as well as structure/format?
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Very much. It's not a simple re-working, it's a different dictionary altogether.
But because it's a century+ newer, you'll get more accuracy in words more often. There are late Latin (200 CE and thereafter) words that don't appear in it, though, that do appear in Lewis and Short.
They also arrange definitions differently, with L&S arranging from literal to metaphorical and extended, while the OLD is purely chronological according to attestation.
21:21
@cmw L&S seems better for arranging them by usage rather than chronology, unless you're specifically looking to write something for a very specific time frame. I guess if you're purely reading, the latter might make more sense.
Kind of a bummer they don't include later Latin words, but I guess for me I'm mostly interested in classical anyway.
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@Adam The latter has its uses, but because it relies on attestation, it ignores what the likely development was.
Like, yes, meaning A appears in the record first, but it must have developed from meaning B, though there is no written record of meaning B until after meaning A.
It's easier to do this with the OED, since written records are much more abundant for English than Latin.
21:34
Too bad Oxford wouldn't put out a version organized by meaning like L&S.
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21:48
@Adam It takes a century to do a new dictionary. Heck, the TLL started before the OLD and they're only up to R or something.
@cmw Is that the project to document every single known Latin word?
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@Adam In all its various meanings, yes.
It's far more thorough than anything else ever.
But it's not really suitable for a quick dictionary look-up.
@cmw Great for posterity, though. Lingua Latina perpetua est.
I guess you could say the OLD has a year 200 bug 😉
haha
Microsoft Fenestrae version CE 195 and the Y200 bug
Ohhh, I just had an idea for the character set I was making for use with the mythology I created; I'll use separate characters for long vowels and dipthongs.
22:43
Is this and older edition of L&S from before Oxford published it?

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