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Adam

00:28

@CannedMan There's an ebb and flow to it for sure, and if there's a couple weeks where you don't get to it as much then I wouldn't sweat it, @JohhanSantana.

I try to mix it up and use different study tools. I was learning from LLPSI for a while, then stopped and starting following Wheelock.

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Cerberus

02:10

@CannedMan It is a weird system!

In my opinion, SE shouldn't always put edited questions up on top on the front page.

Or maybe it should only take up to three edits per day by the same user in consideration.

I don't use the front page either.

I wish the "questions" page were the front page, but alas.

I guess the front is aiming at very casual users, who don't care when they don't see newly asked questions on top.

So, in that regard, it's not a huge deal if the front page is messed up a bit, in my opinion.

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Joonas Ilmavirta

06:45

@Cerberus I use the page for recently active questions as my front page. It's not far from the actual front page, but I like it better.

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Canned Man

10:19

What is our policy on meta questions tagged with discussion? What expectations are there for selecting a winning answer? I sometimes feel it defeats the purpose of a discussion question to say ‘this is the answer’ I want; doesn’t that sort of kill the discussion?

I think that might actually be a good meta question.

Joonas Ilmavirta

10:38

@CannedMan Would an answer to that one be accepted, then? :P

Canned Man

I did indeed consider that problem. :-)

Joonas Ilmavirta

In all seriousness, it makes sense to ask a meta question on what acceptance and voting mean on meta. It might be best to lump them together, as they all behave a little differently from the main site and might be worth discussing. And you can throw more into the mix if you want.

Or we can just discuss that in chat; either way works. Chat discussions have the downside that the conclusion, if any, is not recorded well. The chat history remains public, but nobody will find anything there.

Canned Man

Can someone explain to me why this question (latin.meta.stackexchange.com/a/38/2532) is downvoted? The criterion for upvoting/downvoting an answer is ‘This answer is / is not useful’. The answer provides useful information to a discussion and demonstrates effort. It is not inherently bad.

In my opinion, downvoting such answers should be discouraged; in my opinion, for discussions, the policy should be simple: downvote bad answers, upvote good answers, and do not vote for (good) answers that you do not agree with; doing that allows us to get a measure of what the community’s stance is, without discouraging a proper discussion.

So if I add the two above question, would you find that to be a good, single meta question?

Joonas Ilmavirta

10:54

@CannedMan On meta votes are used differently. They often signal whether we agree with a post or not, especially with answers.

We cannot really have a policy on voting, as people are free to vote anonymously as they wish. Especially on meta it should be free.

And I think there is a difference between disagreeing with a suggestion and agreeing with another one, so downvotes in a discussion do carry meaning. I find them useful.

@CannedMan Something around accepting and voting up and down on meta would make a good question. If you ask about an example, then the answers might focus on dissecting that other discussion rather than discussing general principles.

The focus is up to you, of course.

Canned Man

11:18

Done: latin.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/552/…

I think it will prove useful.

Male gymnasts are just beyond what one should expect possible for the human body.

In reference to latin.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/538/…, what is the difference between merging and synonymising an answer?

Latin Language Meta

11:35

Q: What is our policy on meta questions tagged as discussion?

Problem and examples In our chat I asked this question, and I was encouraged to ask this as a meta question (though the potential futility of it is not lost on us), so here goes nothing: What expectations are there for selecting a winning answer? I sometimes feel it defeats the purpose of a discu...

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Joonas Ilmavirta

@CannedMan Merging is heavier: it irrevocably removes one tag from all questions and replaces it with the other one (apart from questions where they used to coexist). Synonymization just means that for purposes of searching they are considered identical.

Merging cannot be undone, synonymization can.

Canned Man

Cheers!

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Cerberus

12:53

@JoonasIlmavirta Hmm but only because you are a moderator, right?

Not as a normal user?

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus No, that's how I prefer to see the site as a regular user. Moderatorship is secondary, but the same page works for its purposes too.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Why would you want to see it that way?

I just want to see the newest questions.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus I want to see them too, but also newest answers. Sometimes old questions get new answers, and I am equally eager to see them.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Joonas Ilmavirta

And it might also be that that's a page I liked five years ago and I've stuck with it.

Cerberus

12:58

Hah.

Joonas Ilmavirta

What page do you use as your main entrance?

Cerberus

The front page—when I forget to click on the menu button at the top left (one of the many menu buttons, oh, SE...), then Questions.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus That question page has many "tabs". I use "Active" rather than "Newest". That seems to be the only difference between us.

Cerberus

Right, whenever the default is not Newest, I am confused.

Joonas Ilmavirta

It remembers your tab choice. I use "Active", so I always land on the active list if I follow the "Questions" link.

Cerberus

13:06

Right, maybe I have in the past occasionally used another tab and forgot about it until I saw an unexpected page.

Joonas Ilmavirta

It's not the most intuitive of systems. The tabs are not very clear.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Oh, well.

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Adam

15:10

I also always use Newest as my preferred sort

Although I have switched to unanswered to see what hasn't gotten one yet, although I'm not usually in a position to offer the answer.

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Joonas Ilmavirta

16:23

@Adam Do you find any questions that you wish did have an answer for you, too, to read?

We've been thinking it'd be useful to have a meta question asking for suggestions for questions worth a bounty. Your experience would be a good data point in planning that.

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Adam

17:35

@JoonasIlmavirta It's likely. I'd have to go back and look but I'm sure I'd see some that I'd want to know what the answer is.

Joonas Ilmavirta

18:27

@Adam Good! That means it's reasonable to expect suggestions to actually come.

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Johhan Santana

20:38

Could DONUM SUMMUM QUEM HABEMUS EST AMOR mean The greatest gift that we have is love?

Cerberus

Close!

What gender is quem?

And what word does it refer back to?

Johhan Santana

21:13

@Cerberus masculine 🤔

Cerberus

@JohhanSantana Correct.

Johhan Santana

Should it be neuter? QUAE

Since the subject is neuter?

Cerberus

What word does it refer back to? That word determines the gender and number of the relative pronoun.

Johhan Santana

QUI? 😅 I'm really guessing right now lol

I think I might need to look up the definition of relative pronoun first.

Cerberus

Yes, qui/quae/quod/ etc. is the relative pronoun.

Johhan Santana

22:20

@Cerberus so QUOD would be the right way to match the neuter of DONUM SUMMUM? Does it need to match the subject gender?

Cerberus

@JohhanSantana Quod is correct!

It needs to match gender and number with the word it refers back to, donum.

cmw

@JohhanSantana With a little ordering around, this would mean more "love which we have is the greatest gift." That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and of course it's precluded by the word order.

Johhan Santana

22:39

@cmw but then it would be QUEM instead of QUOD since AMOR is masculine right?

cmw

@JohhanSantana Yes, the way you had it would be backwards from what you intended.

amor quem habemus est donum summum: "The love we have/share is the greatest gift."

Johhan Santana

23:04

@cmw that doesn't sound too bad 😅

cmw

23:22

@JohhanSantana It's a good sentiment, but the word order does matter (unless you're really stretching it in a line of poetry).

Latin Language Meta

23:53

Q: Potential questions to be tagged as `genus-epistula`?

A few days ago I suggested the tag genus-epistula and (unfortunately caused an issue when I) went on to tag all questions I could find that clearly belonged under that tag. There were a few questions which I was unsure of whether should get the new tag, and I believe it was Joonas who suggested I...

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