CONLOQVIVM

Joonas Ilmavirta

00:00

@Cerberus Minime. Nescio, an ulla connexio sit inter eas.

Cerberus

Eheu.

Quomodo versatur collega Batavus tuus?

Joonas Ilmavirta

Geomathematica studet problematibus mathematicis, quae Tellurem amplectuntur.

Cerberus

Facilis est collaboratu?

@JoonasIlmavirta Gaea vera!

An 'aea' ut Homerus.

Aut 'aee'.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus Facillimus.

Cerberus

Bene.

Joonas Ilmavirta

00:02

Omnia optime cedere videntur.

Novas res facere possumus una, quas nemo antea potuit quamvis complures volebant.

Cerberus

Res novas!?

Joonas Ilmavirta

Non intellegerem quid aea vel aee sibi vult. Sed Gaeam intellego.

Cerberus

Qui tumultus!

Joonas Ilmavirta

Rebus antiquis faciendis mathematicus vivere haud potest.

Cerberus

> ἐκ γὰρ Ὀρέσταο τίσις ἔσσεται Ἀτρεΐδαο, 40
ὁππότ' ἂν ἡβήσῃ τε καὶ ἧς ἱμείρεται αἴης

Joonas Ilmavirta

00:05

De geometria algebraica minime scio, sed scio eam longe dissimilem esse areae meae.

Cerberus

@JoonasIlmavirta Id patet.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Habemusne in lingua Latina verbum homerizari?

Sicut Graece homerizein?

Cerberus

Hah!

Nescio.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Cenabam hodie in quadam popina Italica, et servus (Mexicanus) me Italum habebat.

Cerberus

Mirabile!

Joonas Ilmavirta

00:09

Ita vero!

Servus Italianus numquam ita diceret.

Cerberus

An forte dicebat spe placendi tibi...

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ille me rogabat, unde in Italia venirem.

Sed fuisse potest, ut ex commoditate rogaret.

Servus ille non Italice loquebatur, sed intellegebat.

Iucundum est Italice quoque loqui posse, nec semper solum Anglice.

Latinitate enim hic haud uti licet...

Scisne ullam popinam, ubi Latine cenare possim?

Cerberus

Adhuc nullam inveni, sed condamus!

Nescivi te Italica loqui posse, eu!

Joonas Ilmavirta

Variis linguis loquor.

Dependet de modo, quo potentiam loquendi definis, sed dixerim me septem fere linguis loqui posse.

Cerberus

Semper dependet.

Exaudio nunc cantica occidentalia Iberica.

Joonas Ilmavirta

00:20

Ipse autem Hispanice non intellego. Forsitan legere possum auxilio linguae Italicae et Latinae.

Estne tibi facilis intellectu?

Aut solum iucunda auditu?

Cerberus

Linguae exlatinae faciliores sunt lectu.

Textus simplices ut articula encyclopaedica aut academica.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ita est mihi quoque.

Italicam et Francogallicam linguam studebam, sed aliis cum linguis Romanicis rerum condicio talis est.

Cerberus

Nescio cur Lusitana Gallicaque difficiliores sunt auditu quam Hispanica et Italica.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Galli simpliciter pronuntiare nesciunt...

Cerberus

Immo nesciunt!

Nec Lusitani.

Joonas Ilmavirta

00:24

Sed lingua Lusitanorum mihi minime nota est. Nescio, an intellegere possim.

Cerberus

Faciliorst.

Ut et Galiciana.

Et Catalana.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Amicus quidam meus thesaurum Catalano-Latinum habebat.

Cerberus

Sed fatebor solum Gallicum librum totum legam.

Bene!

Joonas Ilmavirta

Raros Finnos talem librum habere credo.

Et nunc nescio, ubi liber sit. Amicus enim diem suum iam obiit.

Cerberus

Eheu.

Senexne fuit?

Joonas Ilmavirta

00:28

Si adhuc viveret, plus octoginta annos haberet.

Cerberus

Respectabiles annos.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ita vero.

In lecto suo ultimo Latine loquebatur sicut lingua materna.

Cerberus

Mirabillimus.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ita. Vir mirabilis fuit.

Mihi multum placet Latinistas veteres scire, sed salus desidens non iucunda est visu...

Habentne ulli iuvenes Latinam linguam vivam ubi vivis?

@ktm5124 Salve! Iamne quattuor canibus cingor?

Cerberus

00:45

@JoonasIlmavirta Est horribillimum conceptu.

Habemus!

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus Optime!

Cerberus

Athenaeum Illustre hic studebat Latinae vivae.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Utunturne hoc situ?

Cerberus

Non adhuc!

Aut nescio eos id facere.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Studentne te docente?

Te eis hortari posse enim crediderim, ut huc veniant.

Cerberus

00:49

Non ego!

Sed initiator A. I. liberique sui amici mei sunt.

At iam diu non eos vidi.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Bene.

Possisne notam parietalem (si "poster" ita Latine redditur) de situ nostra facere in schola tua divulgare?

Cerberus

Nescio...

Joonas Ilmavirta

Non est necesse, si fieri non potest.

Modos, quibus Latinistas de situ certiores facere possimus, invenire conor.

Cerberus

Propagatio non est fortitudo mea.

Sed adhortor tuam!

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ipse talem notam parietalem Finnice iam composui.

Domum reversus eam praesidi studentium linguae Latinae offerre possim.

Si bene accepta est, forsitan debeo eam Anglice reddere et in meta nostra ponere, ut aliis ea (reddita, si melius est) utantur.

Cerberus

00:58

Bene facias!

Joonas Ilmavirta

Hmm... Nonne ibi hora sera est? An estne iam hora matutina?

Cerberus

Semper serus sum.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Nonne mane expergisci debes?

Cerberus

Numquam.

Joonas Ilmavirta

O te fortunatum!

Cerberus

01:04

Die solis numquissimam.

Sum!

Joonas Ilmavirta

Mihi misero solis quoque die conventulus est.

Iucundus enim, sed dormire non licet.

Cerberus

Num matutinus?

horret

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ante meridiem.

Cerberus

animam amittit

Joonas Ilmavirta

Estne porta Orci semper clausa usque ad meridiem, si custos eius dormit?

Cerberus

01:09

Est verum!

Cano nunc canticum Lusitanum.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Nonne Orpheus canens quidem intrare potest?

Cerberus

Aut paucos versus quos noverim.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Fac canas.

Cerberus

Orpheus, Orpheus, quis eum resistat?

António Pinto Basto - Ó Portela

►

Laetum est.

Musica populi.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus Fas solum?

Auscultabo.

Cerberus

01:12

Solam Lusitanam quam 'loqui' possum est ex canticis.

Non fas quidem.

Nec Pluto.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Linguam non intellego, sed musice placet.

Cerberus

> Ó Portela vem à janela
Ó Portela vem à janela
Que o povo fica contente
Por ouvir de novo a tua voz tão quente

O, Portela, veni ad ianuam (fenestram)

Ut facias populum contentum

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ah!

Cerberus

Audiendo rursus vocem tuam tam calidam

I'm sort of translating from memory, but I looked it up a while ago and it was something like that.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Modo suo similis est cantui traditionali Finnico, quem nuper Latine reddidi.

Cerberus

01:18

You will notice that some expressions are more naturally Latin than Latin!

Bene!

Habesne conexionem?

Joonas Ilmavirta

Cantus ille agit de virgine in Carelia inventa.

In memoriam venit, quippe quod in auribus meis sicut tinea vivit.

Cerberus

Virgo invento?

Carelia est locus?

Joonas Ilmavirta

Inventa.

Carelia est regio Finnica, partim Russiae amisa.

Cerberus

A, forte olim audii.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Erkki Junkkarinen - Heili Karjalasta 1978

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Versionem Latine redditam dare non possum, cum eam festive divulgare velimus.

Cerberus

01:24

Dulce!

Joonas Ilmavirta

Difficile enim intellectu, credo.

Cerberus

Intellego similitudinem quam indicabas cantico Latino.

Impossibile intellectu.

Nec una vox nec sonus quidem.

Vinum creavit nebulas in capitibus meis, sed non id est quod mihi hic obstat.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Ha!

Nescio, an hic umquam cantatus sit aliis linguis. Melodia haud nota est ultra Finniam.

Cerberus

Would you be insulted if I said that the Finnish songs Youtube is playing for me now remind of Slavic songs?

Joonas Ilmavirta

Not at all.

Cerberus

01:36

Ah, I see one is a polkka.

And the other military.

Joonas Ilmavirta

I suppose the Finnish traditional songs and dances are not that far from Slavic ones.

Cerberus

Oh, really?

I think Dutch folk songs are somewhat like German ones.

Joonas Ilmavirta

I don't really know much, but I can understand if outsiders see a connection.

For a Finn any difference to the Finnish tradition sounds alien, but you might be able to focus more on similarities than differences.

Cerberus

When did the Finns come to Finland?

Or I might just be lazy, grouping songs together that aren't in a familiar language.

Joonas Ilmavirta

I'm not entirely sure.

The Sami people must have come when the ice retreated after the ice age.

The rest came later, but that must've been a millennium or so ago.

I don't know if humppa, jenkka and polkka have Slavic counterparts.

Cerberus

01:41

Oh hmm, so they were there before the Germans?

Polka

The polka is a Central European dance and genre of dance music familiar throughout Europe and the Americas. It originated in the middle of the 19th century in Bohemia, now part of the Czech Republic. Polka remains a popular folk music genre in many European countries, and is performed by folk artists in Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Slovenia, Switzerland, and, to a lesser extent, in parts of Poland (Clarinet Polka), Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Hungary, Italy, Ukraine, Romania, Belarus, Russia, and Slovakia. Local varieties of this dance are also found in the Nordic countries, United...

Joonas Ilmavirta

Peoples have migrated a lot across Europe, but Finland has been extremely stable populationwise.

Cerberus

I know the polka only as a Slavic thing.

> The Proto-Samic language is believed to have formed in the vicinity of the Gulf of Finland between 1000 BC to 700 AD, deriving from a common Proto-Sami-Finnic language (M. Korhonen 1981).[16] However reconstruction of any basic proto-languages in the Uralic family have reached a level close to or identical to Proto-Uralic (Salminen 1999).[17] According to the comparative linguist Ante Aikio, the Proto-Samic language developed in South Finland or in Karelia around 2000–2500 years ago, spreading then to northern Fennoscandia.[18]

Quite interesting.

Joonas Ilmavirta

A quick sampling of YouTube suggests that the Finnish polkka is pretty mainstream polka, when different countries are compared.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Joonas Ilmavirta

I can mostly tell Finnish and non-Finnish polka apart, but they're similar.

@Cerberus Interesting. I didn't remember any details.

Cerberus

01:47

That's cool, I suppose: an international tradition.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Oh yes. Something common, so everyone can understand, but enough local twists to make it interesting.

Cerberus

Indeed, and it is neither part of imperial propaganda nor of commercial mass culture.

Or so I hope.

Joonas Ilmavirta

So I believe.

One polka had a peculiar military application: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A4kkij%C3%A4rven_polkka

Cerberus

Nice.

Crazy Soviets.

That was actually just the one I was listening to.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Oh!

Did it have the same disarming effect on you?

Cerberus

01:56

Oh, I surrendered myself completely.

My mind was jammed.

Joonas Ilmavirta

:)

Cerberus

02:07

I still have Finnish songs on autoplay.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Nice.

It's always nice to know that the Finns are not forgotten.

Cerberus

Never!

Why should they be?

They have a good reputation.

ktm5124

@JoonasIlmavirta Ita vero. Quattuor canibus et uno arbore cingeris.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus I get the feeling that not everyone here in the US knows what Finland is.

@ktm5124 Optimum! Canes enim amo.

Cerberus

Certain regions are not known for the breadth of their knowledge.

Joonas Ilmavirta