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Q: Good German Primer

ChristopherI found Wheelock's Latin to be amazingly straightforward and comprehensive. Why are no German books (at least those many which I have found) in any way comparable? They are absolutely annoying with their pictures, phrases, and dimwitted conversations, but no actual rigor. I need rigor. I thrive ...

 
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19:56
@QPaysTaxes Euge!
What was it about?
@QPaysTaxes Ha, you even gave me an editable link!
I didn't know you could do that.
Sed alea iacta est.
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A: Who should our moderators be?

C. M. WeimerThere are quite a few good users here worthy of becoming pro temp moderator, so I hope this nomination does not feel like a slight toward anyone else, but I would like to nominate Cerberus. Cerberus (meta) Cerberus is a seasoned user with 40k+ reputation on the English stack, while maintaining...

@QPaysTaxes Read De Bello Gallico was the first time I realized I could actually just sit down and read without looking anything up. Didn't catch every word, especially some of the more military words, or more likely their specialized meanings, but I could infer most from context.
Good times.
How about the Vulgate?
By the way, thank you for nominating me!
P.S. I'm not religious, and I the Vulgate isn't exactly literature, but still.
Ah, yes, well, that too, but it's not very much Classical Latin.
And you're welcome! Nice to see you've accepted.
Indeed not.
Three moderators will be appointed, won't there?
20:05
Yes. I think you three should head that, assuming time commitments. I suspect my time may become more limited here soon due to new developments.
Somehow I wrote "there", although I think the rule would suggest "won't they".
@C.M.Weimer Oh! Anything exciting coming up?
@Cerberus Despite the error, my mind corrected it anyway.
Hmm.
Yes, what are the new developments?
Not to jink myself, but there is a particular job that may take up my time.
jinx
20:06
There will be three sheep, won't there?
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh!
What kind of job?
That doesn't look right, is that right?
At at university?
@C.M.Weimer I will not congratulate you, as that would be tempting the Parcae.
20:07
I'm not sure I ever written that word!
Please, no congratulations yet!
What word? Sheep?
The word "job"? I see.
Hehe.
Oh, jinx!
Yes, that's right.
20:08
I think there is OK when it is the "subject" (even though I reject the term "subject" for there).
"There" is a null subject.
Oops, I really have to run.
Caupona me expectat.
Oh, I see, "won't there [be]"
20:08
Yes.
But "There will be three moderators appointed" and "Three moderators will be appointed" are sentences with different subjects.
So "won't there" isn't technically correct, but the sentence it refers to is close enough to the one you wrote that it's not particularly problematic.
@C.M.Weimer Where might this putative job take you?
Still in the area.
Not leaving the city.
Even putatively better!
Thank God!
I want to hear all about it when I get back!
Valete.
Maybe across the Hudson.
20:12
Vale, Cerbere.
Vale, amice.
@QPaysTaxes What about prænomina?
@QPaysTaxes Wait, were we talking about names?
ah, de praenominibus legebas.
20:18
AH!
What's the Latin passage?
Yeah, looking through the article I don't see it.
I didn't realize, obiter dictum, that the little arrow to the left of reply names took you to the message the reply was replying to.
I hope so!
"By the way."
Well, reading that I learned two things: "ut puta" means "for instance," and the word "extrinsecus."
My favorite little aside has always been "velim nolim", i.e. "willy nilly"
Is ut puta materially different from exempli gratia, or is it just a question of register?
Heh, heh, heh.
I don't want to overwhelm the site with "what's the difference between" questions.
But perhaps this one is easy enough.
In proximum!
@QPaysTaxes Here you go: link.
21:04
@QPaysTaxes Oh, that was clear! :)
Because I had some very important games of Diamond Quest to play.
@QPaysTaxes Ah, but now that I look it up in Lewis & Short, I see that it's listed there as poetic and post-Augustan. Which sort of eliminates the need for a question.
@QPaysTaxes I keep forgetting that that's a thing. I should add some. I'll include that.
Off to read Hygin for the moment. Will add questions anon!
21:21
Are we really supposed to do self-answered questions for just anything? I thought that was only to showcase different types of questions, and this one would be redundant, I think.
I never really see them outside the beta period, but I'm not really looking, either.
21:56
That makes sense. Look at the top answers - they're super long and in depth and about complicated or genuinely unobvious questions. Nothing that can be quickly looked up in a dictionary. I am OK with that.
Oh, but Lewis & Short is available online.
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Q: Which online Latin dictionaries should I use and why?

Joonas IlmavirtaWhat good online Latin dictionaries do you know? What are their benefits and drawbacks? Please give only one dictionary per answer. If you have many dictionaries to suggest, give multiple answers. The reason for wanting a single dictionary per answer is that I want people to be able to vote on i...

But why would you? Perseus is very well known and entirely free.
Page 1 of Google for "online latin dictionaries"
(no quotes)
That's not a self-answered question...
What are the up and down votes on it?
On the question.
I feel it's a joke. And moreover, it's 7 years ago.
Even if that's how it's done there, that just looks bad on them, and we can do better.
On Ruby perhaps
On mythology, that question would be immediately locked.
Or on history.
We're out of private beta.
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Thank goodness; I'm out of question ideas.
22:09
I think that's a better tactic, good questions, thoughtful questions, not homework help.
Let the community decide on that.
At least the range, the expectations, the exceptions.
I'm confused, what does your question have to do with self-answered questions?
But you didn't answer it...
But Vox Latina is not online.
Negative.
Some pages are indeed omitted from that preview.
I think they might vary it depending on the user, but ever few pages, I get 2 that are missing.
as well as a huge chunk (pp. 61-135) at the end.
"not shown"
And the way Google Books works, some books won't show that until you get to a page that it determines you can't see.
Also good to remember that what's good for other stacks isn't necessarily good for us. Parenting.SE for example is all opinions all the time. History.SE doesn't allow a request for sources about a topic.
22:35
So now that we're out of private beta it's time to start spamming filling the Hot Network Questions list
@QPaysTaxes You'll grow out of the first one, be glad you have the second, learn to step away from the computer if you ever feel like you need to do the third, and realize that the fourth has never stopped anyone.
@Nathaniel Oh, yeah, I wonder what our first HNQ question will be.
By the way, ---spamming--- gives you spamming.
Strikethroughs are weird on Stack Exchange.
@HDE226868 Thanks -- I was nervous that my google-fu wasn't going to be fast enough to beat the edit window
what's the fun in that?
:)
@QPaysTaxes How have I never noticed that?
My favorite is "Let's eat Grandma"
Swallowing difficulty, tiring easily, or swallowing tires?
So really... all three :)
@QPaysTaxes I have so much difficulty in my life... but it's always been easy to swallow tires. No idea why.
22:45
Not the greatest, IMHO, because of that.
@QPaysTaxes I vote yes.
I haven't been around for a while, so feel free to ignore me, but the whole no-research thing has always irritated me
@Undo Would you just downvote instead?
Maybe.
Closing for it
If a question needs to be closed, it should fall into another category anyway.
Or it's a duplicate, in which case close it as a duplicate.
But remember, things asked here become the search results.
@QPaysTaxes No excuse for what, though?
Asking a question that will draw people in off Google, giving us a chance to provide quality answers?
We're trying to build a knowledge base, not fill in the little holes the Internet has left.
@QPaysTaxes I've seen it happen. I hate it.
we're building a house, not touching up the paint in someone else's house.
I know
I don't think there's harm in having a different standards here compared to say, ELU. But as I said in a meta post, I don't like the idea of this place turning into a new rendition of reddit where half the questions are tattoo translation requests.
I mean, look. If you don't want tattoo translation requests, make a policy about them.
So... what's research? Is "what does this mean i looked there's nothing" good enough?
Just sounds like box-checking to me.
On bigger sites, it makes a little more sense. But on smaller sites, our goal is to grow. What better way to grow than to insert oneself into the most common searches?
Also, more questions means more answers, means more rep, means more people with moderation privileges. That's a Good Thing.
Anyway, /rant. It's one of those things I feel strongly about.
22:56
@Undo More that it literally is explainable through a site much larger than ours. It's not a question that a good answer can be offered to. It's not a question that provokes a good discussion.
HOWEVER
For what it's worth, in this case, Wikipedia's answer isn't the greatest (i.e. I'll be writing a completely different one, unless the question gets closed).
If it can be edited to ask for more, if an answer can give more than just a Wikipedia link, maybe say something that will leave people who see it with something more than just "that's just what Wiki says", then we can and should keep it open.
@HDE226868 This too is a good reason to keep things open. I think in this case, it's fine, but could use a little more beef in editing.
And now we have our first answer from someone who wasn't in private beta.
PS @Nathaniel, my vote is for this (for high votes and activity) or this (for high votes and mass appeal).
@C.M.Weimer Regarding the HNQ list? It's not that easy. Someone has to post a question, and that question has to get three upvotes or so. Plus, within six hours, that question has to be answered at least once. If all answers add up to a score of 3 or more, the question has a good shot of hitting HNQ briefly.
Ah, I see.
Good to know.
The more upvotes on the question and answers, and the more answers, the longer it will stay on the list
That's a pretty major simplification, but covers the bases. The full formula is here.
23:44
@QPaysTaxes Oh, sure, but, what were you replying to, exactly?
And hello.
@QPaysTaxes Of course I clicked, it. You're talking to the person who has posted by far the most messages of all time in SE chat. (So am I!)
Click on my name → user profile → users → sort by activity.
Heh.
Well, who are you talking to, hmm?
Oh, no, the bit between brackets was a reply to your sentence in brackets.
Don't worry.
We can't all be genii.
Hehe.
Dutch humour.
@Cerberus I didn't realize we had the Jon Skeet of chat among us :)
Mmm who is he, exactly?
And hello!
Oh, they are.
Ah.
Hello!
Call me God, call me loquacious.
It's all the same in Hades.
nods, pretending to understand
Hey, now.
Suum cuique.
I got your joke.
It's used for both.
The latter as a metonym.
OK OK go on.
Technically, of shoa.
How shocking.

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