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1:50 AM
How do I plot $f(x,y)=x^3*y/(2*x^6+y^2),(x,y)\neq (0,0)$ and $f(0,0)=0$ in matlab
syms x,y
z = piecewise(([x y]==[0 0],0,[x y]!=[0 0],x^3*y/(2*x^6+y^2))
I am getting the error
z = piecewise(([x y]==[0 0],0,[x y]!=[0 0],x^3*y/(2*x^6+y^2))

Error: Expression or statement is incorrect--possibly unbalanced (, {, or [.
 
i see three ( and only two )
i don't know matlab syntax, but that might be an issue
 
I don't understand
 
try removing one of the first two ('s, or adding a third ) at the very end
 
2:06 AM
fsurf(@(x,y) x.^3.*y./(2.*x.^6+y.^2)),[-5 5]
title('x^3*y/(2*x^6+y^2) for x and y in [-5,5]')
xlabel('x');
ylabel('y');
zlabel('z');
box on
Is it okay?
I coudn't able to label f(0,0).
 
 
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3:40 AM
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Q: $f(z) =\prod_{n \in\Bbb Z\setminus\{0\}}\left(1+{z\over a+n}\right)e^{-z/(n+a)}$ is an entire function

one potato two potato If $a$ is not an integer, show that $$f(z) =\prod_{n \in\Bbb Z\setminus\{0\}}\left(1+{z\over a+n}\right)e^{-z/(n+a)}$$ is an entire function. Using the series expansion of $e^{-z/(n+a)}$, we get \begin{align*} \left(1+{z\over a+n}\right)e^{-z/(n+a)}& = \sum_{k=0}^\infty \left(1+{z\over a+n}\rig...

 
Howdy @Sayan
 
I am doing good @Ted, facing Athens's terrible weather
 
3:56 AM
Is Hurricane Ian making it windy ?
 
4:14 AM
Its making it very windy and cold. It's freezing early in the morning
 
4:31 AM
Define freezing.
 
Lol, for instance on early saturday morning it's going to go down to 50. Considering I have to drive to UGA, that is too cold for me
 
50 is not freezing. In winter you will have plenty of 30s and some 20s.
 
Oh yes.
 
This makes me really worried
 
4:37 AM
You did zero research on climate?
 
I was told it would not be that cold
 
you may be entitled to compensation
 
Compared to the northeastern climate, it’s warm. Try NY or Boston.
 
I am going to be in Massachusetts in November, I think. It's done and dusted for me
 
Chicago way worse.
November is not yet January or February .
 
4:41 AM
Oh btw, where was your office?
 
But America is not roasting India, although our temperature may be up 10 degrees now.
The last 10-15 years I was in 444. Before that on the 6th floor.
 
@TedShifrin Yes coming from North of India, I thought I should be doing alright. That's all out the window now
@TedShifrin Ahh I see, the 6th floor gets lonely. I am on the 5th and that gets lonely at times.
 
Yeah.
 
5:29 AM
Larkin Poe have a fun new song about escaping from their home state. Georgia Off My Mind
 
5:48 AM
When does the 'term-by-term' thing possible for infinite product? For example, $\prod_n (1+a_n)\prod_{n}(1+b_n) = \prod_{n}(1+a_n)(1+b_n)$. For absolute convergent case?
 
 
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10:25 AM
@onepotatotwopotato yes
 
11:15 AM
@Jakobian The expression $\prod_{n=1}^\infty (1+a_n) = \prod_{n=1}^N (1+a_n)\prod_{n=N+1}^\infty (1+a_n)$ is valid only for absolute convergent case?
 
 
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12:26 PM
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A: To find the maximum number of distinct integers in a grid for given conditions.

EnEmThe best case for when $n \ge 2m-1$ or $(n-(m-1)) | n$ has $n(m-1) + k$ distinct integers, where$k=\max\left\{d : d|n \land d\le \frac{n}{n-(m-1)}\right\}$ . The construction works for all $n>m$ cases, but I don't have the proof for all cases. Please edit/comment them out if you get them. Here is...

Can anybody help me prove this
Currently the only difference between construction and upper bound is when $(n-(m-1)) \not | n$
I think we will be able to improve the upper bound to fit the construction. But please let me know if you can think of a better construction method.
 
Mad
1:08 PM
I kind of forgot my multi var calculus, if i have a function $\phi(x,y): \mathbb{R}^n \times \mathbb{R}^m \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^m, (x,y) \mapsto f(x) - y$ How can i find $Df(x,y)$ as a matrix? for some function $f$
$f : \mathbb{R}^n \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^m$ smooth
This means the graph of $f$ is the zeros of $\phi$
The answer is something like $ \begin{bmatrix} * \\ id_m \end{bmatrix} $
how come?
Which means its rang m, thus the graph is a manifold of rank n
 
1:36 PM
@Mad: Think of $R^m\times R^n$ as $R^{m+n}$.
the desired Jacobian matrix should be $\begin{bmatrix}Df(x) & -I_m\end{bmatrix}$ (an m by (n+m) matrix].
 
2:22 PM
I'm trying to understand the proof of lemma 4.2 (Page 15) of link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/BF00289616.pdf Why does (2) implies f preserves sources (i.e., $s_{D'} f' = f' s_D$). I think, the injectivity of $c'_1$ is not enough
 
2:40 PM
Hi, this is not the right place to ask LaTeX related questions but I don't want to ask in TeX stack exchange. I wanted to write a LaTeX document in Odia/Oriya language (my mother tongue). I searched the internet and found "https://ctan.org/pkg/oriya". See the page 5 of the file "https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Awjf5iRKuTM6GNlePnEFXKYN_sOiLbQs/view?usp=sharing" . It says we just have to add package "oriya". But LaTeX gives error that "oriya.sty" not found
Does anyone know why it is happening?
 
@onepotatotwopotato No, it's always valid for products
 
3:49 PM
LaTeX is so frustrating
 
@rb3652 Lies.
MS Word is frustrating.
Since I started working at my current institution, I have had to deal with Office 365 nearly daily. It is the absolute worst. I hate it. I hate it so much. "Oh, hey! It looks like you are making a list! Let me just randomly indent and number the things on your list! That's what you wanted, right?!"
 
@PNDas I guess that depends a lot on the distribution you're using. For example, MikTeX often tries to install packages automatically.
For example, in my installation (MikTeX) I can check whether a package is available using kpsewhich.
If I use "kpsewhich article.sty" in the command line, I get the full path to article.sty.
If I use "kpsewhich oriya.sty", I get nothing - since I do not have that package.
 
To expand on products again, it's not that the limit can't be zero, it's that after removing a finite amount of first terms, there has to be a point at which the limit is non-zero
 
@PNDas Which version of LaTeX do you have installed? on what OS? are you using a package management system? which one?
 
4:04 PM
Even if the first thousand terms involve zero, as long as we remove them and obtain a finite non-zero limit, the product is considered to still be convergent
 
@XanderHenderson I'm using TeXmaker and miktex
windows
How do I know the version of the LaTeX?
 
@PNDas "miktex" was the answer I was looking for.
 
Mad
I am studying manifolds, and i am just wondering, what in the flying heck is all this formalisim, i amjust swimming in symbols and have little understanding to what i am doing
given that i study physics, i wanted to study differential geometry in next semester, but now i am asking myself, if i really want to do abstract nonesensical mathematics
is this normal
 
@XanderHenderson Thanks for your help, I also messaged in the TeX chat box (after I got no reply here),and they said I just need to use LuaLaTeX
 
@PNDas I mean, sure. That is an option. It wouldn't be my choice, but if it works for you...
 
4:17 PM
Actually I searched for odia/oriya in the search box of package page in miktex. But I got nothing.
 
@PNDas It looks like it is part of the babel package.
 
It's not appearing when I search in miktex
I have already babel package installed
 
4:47 PM
Is anybody here?
 
@geocalc33 hi
 
5:18 PM
@XanderHenderson We concur emphatically emphatically! I had to use it for reports for the university administration when I was associate department head, and it drove me to drink.
 
@TedShifrin It is only 10:30 am here, and this stupid, stupid "procedures" template is nearly driving me to drink. Fortunately, the campus is dry by law, so there is no whiskey in my desk.
 
5:35 PM
I get it.
@Mad If you start with a concrete curves and surfaces course (for example, download my free text), then you have a lot more intuition and experience before trying to tangle with abstract manifolds. To be honest, the physicists' treatment (using only tensors with indices that magically move up and down) makes it more symbol-pushing and less conceptual.
Frustration: Someone from MSE emailed me a differential geometry question, trying to do something incorrect. I patiently explained why it was impossible to do. Then I get an emailed pdf of a conference abstract saying precisely the same wrong stuff. throws hands in the air
Thankfully, the person forgot to thank me for "helpful conversations."
 
Mad
Maybe you are right
Maybe its just symbol pushing all the way
Also, notation is horrendous
I will check your lecture in my free time.
But i swear, if you use different symbols, i am not reading it
 
The concepts of differential geometry are actually quite beautiful and mostly intuitive.
Have it your own way. Of course, it will have different symbols.
But don't come in here yelling and whining.
 
Mad
My brain can not fathom ten symbols for the same thing
i have limited brain memory what the hell my dudes. stop this madness!
 
Suppose that $F$ is a non-decreasing function on R and takes only non negative values. Let $A(\tilde I)$ be the algebra generated by left open and right closed intervals. Suppose that $\mu_F$ is a measure defined on $A(\tilde I)$ is defined as $\mu_F(a,b]=F(b)-F(a)$
How do I prove that $\mu_F\{x\}=F(x)-\lim_{y\downarrow x}F(y)$?
How to write mathjax for 'vertical downward arrow'?
 
$\downarrow$
 
5:46 PM
Thanks Ted. :)
(note: $\mu_F$ above also denotes extension (unique by Caratheodory extension) to $\mathfrak L$, the Lebesgue $\sigma$ algebra.)
$\{x\}=\cap_{n=1}^\infty (x-\frac 1n, x+\frac 1n]$
But this doesn't help.
 
physicists tends to do most calculations in coordinates
 
Maybe it helps if you realize that $F$ has to be left-continuous (it can only jump moving to the right), doesn't it?
 
it is abhorrent
 
no. F is not given to be left continuous.
 
personally, I think there's little insight to be gained from writing down the geodesic equation in coordinates except that it is always locally solvable and perhaps solving it in the two or three cases where that is explicitly reasonable
 
5:56 PM
another part of the exercise is to show that: $\mu_F\{x\}=0\iff F $ is continuous at $0$.
 
Calculations/coordinates don't bother me. I am a fan of moving frames computations, which are far better than coordinates, however, when one can do them.
 
@Koro It reminds me of CDFs.
 
Oh, sorry, Koro. I made a mental error.
 
yeah, moving frames is different
don't get me wrong, I also write down things in coordinates often and I think it's important to be able to do it
I just think in most cases it isn't the first thing one should be doing
 
My complaint is that doing just tensor analysis in a symbolic way tends to obscure any conceptual understanding.
 
5:58 PM
certainly
 
@PNDas this seems to have usage in CDFs.
 
I still say one should do basic curves and surfaces — even differential topology with submanifolds of $\Bbb R^n$ — before even looking at abstract manifolds and Riemannian geometry. That way one has intuition and experience.
When I taught the graduate geometry course I always did (with moving frames) a few weeks of classic curves/surfaces material both to build experience with the moving frames and to give a foundation for the general stuff to come. Plus plenty of exercises, of course.
 
I did curves and surfaces but I have no idea what differential topology is about D:
 
It's about degree and transversality, which are beautiful and powerful notions one really needs eventually, but they aren't typically covered in any graduate course emphasizing Riemannian geometry.
 
In my case differential geometry is neither, unfortunately
 
6:02 PM
I don't yet understand manifolds :(.
 
Look at Guillemin & Pollack, Koro.
 
Different definitions at different places is confusing me.
 
Koro, do you know that measures are "continuous from above/below"
 
There is no royal road to (differential) geometry :P
 
that's the notion you need here
 
6:03 PM
mumbles to self: I have always hated measure theory
 
Measure theory is another thing I have never seen (except a few things about Lebesgue and Peano Jordan), I don't know if I should regret that
 
hello guys, greetings to all, someone with knowledge of nonlinear programming to guide me with some exercises? I really need help guys
 
Zero knowledge thereof.
 
Yeah, I don't even know what the general definition of measure is
 
Ted lectures: three forms explicit, implicit, parametrized manifolds are considered equivalent.
in my class lectures: Parametrized manifolds is defined (but no equivalence of the three definitions is discussed).
somewhere else: Suppose M is in X (a topological space), then M is an n dimensional manifold if given any p in M, there exists an open set U containing p, which is homeomorphic to an open set in $\mathbb R^n$. (In Ted's lecture, U = graph of some $C^1$ function.)
 
6:07 PM
@Koro: Remember that I'm teaching a calculus class, so all manifolds are submanifolds of $\Bbb R^n$. When you do manifolds at the graduate level, they're abstract topological spaces, not sitting anywhere. It's still better to master the case of submanifolds first.
 
Studying Mathematics a self learner is quite difficult, I keep falling in rabbit holes of new things I need and I end up doing nothing
 
Yes, @Feynman_00, that's part of the self-learning thing. Unless you do something more restricted, like linear algebra or group theory. One would like to believe that we professors perform something of a service if we organize material effectively and teach a good class with good exercises.
 
Courses and Professors are fundamental in the formation of a student, in my case it's just I'm not a Math student
 
On the other hand, professors who literally copy the textbook onto the blackboard (or slides) are worthless.
 
@TedShifrin Well, Lie groups are next so I'll be at peace :)
 
6:10 PM
I had two fabulous professors for a challenging physics course my first year of university. Two of my favorite courses! I did the third semester in self-study format; it just wasn't nearly as engaging or interesting.
Lie groups is a vast subject, too, Feynman. There are all sorts of aspects, some geometric, some algebraic, some analytic.
 
I think the abstract definition is the most intuitive
the ones ambiently in $\mathbb{R}^n$ always feel a bit more contrived
 
100% disagrees with Thor.
 
I see. I needed differential geometry first and I'll need some topology before starting. I think having fun plays an important role too and Lie Theory sure looks exciting
 
I agree that when one is ready to work with Grassmannians and other homogeneous spaces, then of course one must go the abstract route. But that's not where one should start.
I don't know what you mean by Lie theory, Feynman. As I said, it's a very broad/diverse topic.
 
@TedShifrin Thanks a lot Ted. I'll take a look :-).
 
6:14 PM
@Koro Only embedded submanifolds of $\Bbb R^n$. No abstract smoothness of overlapping charts.
 
Oh, sorry. In my case I mean Matrix Lie Groups like SU(n) and SO(n) and other important groups in Physics
 
OK, Feynman. That's way more restricted and, indeed, useful. You should understand invariant vector fields and invariant differential forms, the structure equations (Maurer-Cartan forms), etc.
But proving these are Lie groups is, first of all, a little bit of differential topology :)
You need to apply the regular value theorem.
 
Yes, I did an exercises about that. Most of those groups are level sets of a given map
e.g. $SL(n)$ and $GL(n)$ are level sets of the determinant map
 
@TedShifrin Oh I see. I'll still check it out. As I want to understand these in $R^n$ first.
 
No $GL(n)$ is not, sorry
 
6:18 PM
Right. It's an open subset of a vector space.
 
@Feynman_00 yes. $SL (n) =\det^{-1}\{1\}$
 
To begin with this topic I'm reading a book by John Stillwell (Naive Lie Theory), Sir.
 
@Thorgott Thanks a lot for the idea. It worked (continuity from above is what's needed here).
 
glad it worked
 
I don't know that book. A lot of the introductory books for matrix groups don't have enough of the calculus/geometry that you need for the physics.
 
6:21 PM
That's a problem I've met in differential geometry too. For example, hodge duality was just an exercise in the book I used
 
Let me write the solution: Suppose that $x_n\downarrow x$. $\{x\}=\cap_n \{x_n,x]$ so $\mu_F(\{x\})=\mu_F(\cap_n \{x_n,x])=\lim_n \mu_F(x_n,x]=\lim_n F(x)-F(x_n)$.
 
But I don't really care about it, I study Math to do Physics but I want to study things as if I were a Math student (i.e. not just doing the calculations), so I'm fine with taking things slower but starting from the fundamentals
 
"(i.e. not just doing the calculations)" That's not what math students do...
 
One thing to be noted here is $\mu_F$ is finite on $\{x_1,x]$ and that's what enabled me to use continuity from above.
 
@XanderHenderson No, I meant the opposite
 
6:24 PM
Oh sorry, I meant $x_n\uparrow x$.
 
Bad phrasing
 
@Feynman_00 Oh, I see. The syntax was convoluted, and I am dyslexic... :/
 
I'm not a native, that's my fault :P
 
Alas! I typed the question wrong here as well. It should be $y\uparrow x$ instead of $y\downarrow x$:
42 mins ago, by Koro
How do I prove that $\mu_F\{x\}=F(x)-\lim_{y\downarrow x}F(y)$?
 
The sign was troubling me, @Koro. That seems to make more sense.
 
6:27 PM
yeah, this solution is correct
 
:( sorry professor Ted for making the annoying typo.
@Feynman_00 I had this feeling throughout my undergraduation.
But now I am a Math student.
 
Were you a Physics student?
 
nope, I did engineering.
 
I see. I'll start my Master's degree (Physics) in a few days
 
great. All the best!
 
6:34 PM
@Mad Maybe you could try Vladimir Arnold's Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics, given that you study physics.
 
Mh, Arnold is too concise in my opinion
There is a chapter about differential forms but the fundamentals of the theory are explored in like 4 or 5 pages
It's a great book for Classical Mechanics, though
 
Mad
6:51 PM
@TedShifrin i have made it a habit to watch your videos before sleeping
someone filmed your class
 
LOL, perfect for putting you to sleep.
 
Mad
Actually they are quite good!
 
For Lie groups, maybe Jean-Pierre Serre's Lie Algebras and Lie Groups (Harvard notes) is a choice.
 
Mad
i always learn new things, that i missed in my studies, i am surprised and embarassed at same time for not being able to answer your questions sometimes
 
Yeah, videos are usually easier to understand than texts.
 
6:52 PM
@Mad If you visit Ted's profile you'll see he knows that
 
Serre's books are usually concise.
 
Mad
Books be like
"according to theorem 149 theorem 2432 lemma 12 lemma 13 this is trivial"
Get ruined you stupid reader! do you feel worthless yet? Yeaaaaa!
 
Serre's texts are pretty inaccessible in my experience
wouldn't recommend to someone who's not a very strong student
though I have not tried his Lie text
 
@Mad Well, that prevents the book from being too wordy
I do that in my written exams too :P
 
Mad
It prevents the reader from learning
 
6:55 PM
You don't have to know the numbering by heart, just turn the page and you'll see what they mean
 
Mad
If it only was that easy !
 
What I hate about some book is that they write entire proofs inline and that makes it difficult to read
 
7:17 PM
"That doesn’t work. You have to shift down by 10 and then rescale by .5. Shifting and rescaling do not commute." @TedShifrin It does work, it's basically just switching up the order of addition, like f(x) = x^3 - 4, you can start at -4 and treat it as g(x) = x^3 with origin (0|-4), go one to the right, that will be 1, so you go one up, which will be at (1|-3), ...
I think you thought I meant just shifting before stretching and using that value to stretch, which will also stretch the shift
 
7:41 PM
@ILikeMathematics Well, that is pretty much what I remember you saying. Your addition example is too simplistic; it doesn't work with any coefficient other than $1$ in front of the $x^3$ term.
 
7:57 PM
Did I understood it correctly, that every inner product space is a normed space since $||x||=\sqrt{\langle x,x\rangle}$ defines a norm. But on the other hand there are norms $||x||$ which can not be constructed from an inner product (but we use the same notation $||•||$
 
overtherainbow: yes
 
Let $f : [a, b]\to \mathbb R$ and for any real number $\alpha > 0$,
let $E_\alpha:= \{x\in [a, b]: f '(x) \text{ exists and $|f '(x)| < \alpha$} \}$. Then
$\lambda^* (f (E_{\alpha}))\le \alpha \lambda^* (E_{\alpha})$.
Any ideas for proving this one?
 
@leslietownes perfect thanks
 
8:28 PM
Am I the only one who has the feeling that in measure theory, it is difficult (impossible?, a big statement here) to come up with alternative proofs?
so one should just memorize things as far as measure theory is concerned?
 
heyyy
 
@Koro: this is a well known result. I posted a solution that uses that result (with a proof) here I also give references to other methods used elsewhere (in one and more dimensions)
 
oliver: cool argument
 
9:04 PM
Is there an algorithm or heuristic for determining a real number which some rational approximates but requires the least information to represent? Like if I put 1.414213562, to represent this numerical value as a truncation of $2^{\frac{1}{2}}$, it is possible to represent all of those unique digits using a single, much smaller representation (viz. the one I just gave plus a little info about the point of truncation).
Something similar to how Wolfram Alpha works and then, given such a list of possible closed forms, picks from it the one with the least amount of information in its representation. wolframalpha.com/input?i=closed+form+1.4142
 
9:19 PM
oliver: I understand the solution now. Thanks a lot. :-).
 
9:57 PM
If I know that $v=(x\log x, -y\log y)$ is Killing then might $w=\bigg(x{\rm log}x,-y{\rm log}y,-z{\rm log}z \bigg)$ also be Killing? I know that the pullback of $w$ along the embedding $e(x,y)=(x,y,0)$ is $v$
 
10:09 PM
@leslietownes is there some obvious way to see that $S_{X^{**}}\setminus X$ and $X$ are distance $0$ from each other?
 
what's S_? do you need this for arbitrary X or only 'nice enough' X?
 
Sphere, for the double dual. I have an idea, what about, if $F\in S_{X^{**}}\setminus X$ and $x\in S_X$ then $x_t = \frac{tx+(1-t)F}{\|tx+(1-t)F\|}$. Since $F$ is not in $X$, the denominator makes sense, and his should converge in norm to $x$ as $t\to 1$.
I think that proves it?
And $x_t\in S_{X^{**}}\setminus X$ for all $t< 1$.
I think this proves that in fact $\overline{S_{X^{}}\setminus X} = S_{X^{}}$
That norm closure of the double dual sphere without X is the double dual sphere
 
10:47 PM
yes, i think so.
 
What did you call the algebraist who saw the northern lights?
the algeborealist
 

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