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1:01 PM
@leslietownes Hey, concerning that conversation about health we had the other day, I might be terrible with citations, but at least I was able to find this one once more: covidchartsquiz.com
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To those brave enough to "take the quiz": so you trust your overlords, still?
To be clear: I am not suggesting that one disrespect those who have due power and authority since all lawful jurisdiction comes from God; I am suggesting that we should respect their positions and authority while scrutinizing them and seeking the truth in their words, and to determine whether or not what they say is true instead of taking it as true on the merit of their words alone versus another's.
Hold them accountable to their words to their benefit and the benefit of the people.
 
The link doesn't open for me?
 
Huh, that's weird.
Does this work? covidchartsquiz.com
Works fine for me: prnt.sc/1jfrhp1
 
1:22 PM
I guess I need a newer operating system.
 
lol
btw I decided on 65536 for argument reduction.
Only problem now is I don't know how best to implement natural logarithm or complex argument.
 
1:36 PM
err 16 terms with 65536
For computing reciprocals, I settled on just using PM 2Ring's suggestion to use Newton-Raphson for now and find something better later when I've made the tools to do so, so I can compute $\frac{1}{x}$ now which means I could use Newton-Raphson to also compute $\ln(z)$, but I'm still curious to know if there is a better way.
 
2:04 PM
@AMDG What is the quiz trying to say?
I don't get it. Can you explain?
You're not stupid enough to suggest that mask mandates, for example, is not necessary to curb the spread, are you? If that's what the quiz is trying to say by demonstrating the graph of UK then it's just anti-scientific propaganda.
 
That's not a very objective way of looking at this situation...
For one, considering that any option in the face of evidence is stupid, or somehow unreasonable.
Something tells me you haven't actually looked at the quiz.
 
Read my sentence again.
 
$\int_{0}^{1} \frac{x^3}{1+x^3} dx$ I evaluated this by writing the numerator as $x^3 + 1 - 1$ and splitting the integral, followed by using partial fractions; it got fairly lengthy. Is there some easier way to solve this?
 
@BalarkaSen It's data on the United States, for one.
But yes, I guess I am stupid enough to suggest that mask mandates, etc. are ineffective according to the data.
I must surely be stupid for having an opinion contrary to the status quo based in reason and evidence.
 
o.9
I took the quiz
but I don't know why I did it :'(
 
2:14 PM
/shrug
 
@AMDG Thanks for clarifying. I would suggest knowing the decades of science of how viruses spread to see that mask mandate is completely consistent with a scientific approach to a solution to this pandemic. Have a look at Hong Kong's graph as evidence, where they have been consistently wearing masks since their last SARS breakout, unlike US and UK.
But of course, these are not evidence to you.
 
What is known about diffeomorphisms of integral lattices?
 
o.9
You get graphs with taylored timeframes for different states
 
On the contrary, you're dismissing the evidence presented here.
Obviously, if our understanding is correct, then the data there in Hong Kong and the data here will concur.
If that is so, then why is it not so in the US?
 
o.9
I don't really understand what the point is
Like clearly not using a mask is a bad move right?
do you need statistical data for that call?
 
2:18 PM
@AMDG Just because mask mandate in US didn't work doesn't mean masks are bad, it means US failed to implement it correctly. Did you not listen to what I said? Hong Kongers have been consistently wearing mask since their last SARS breakout.
 
Yes, well define "correct implementation". I heard you just fine.
 
On the other hand US is full of dumb anti-mask idiots (just like India, my own country) who will never listen to science.
Define evidence for me, because it seems you do not understand that term
 
One of my questions is: If a lattice is diffeomorphic to an integral lattice, and if you can define a flow on the integral lattice, can you define an analogous flow on the lattice diffeomorphic to the integral lattice?
 
o.9
I disagree with science being necessary to see wearing a mask is a good call
 
@o.9 That is equivalent to saying that "if it seems good, you should do it", not "If it is actually good, you should do it".
Evidence is an objective data set that implies particular truths about something and makes something worthy of belief as a matter of faith.
It is the object of induction.
Principles are greater and are the object of deduction.
 
o.9
2:21 PM
I'm too low iq to understand that :(
But my brain is capable of parsing that when I put a mask on my face the droplets dont spread as much.
 
The evidence must be subject to the principles.
An imbalance of the objective or the subjective leads to error. If one relies too much on evidence without objective principles, there is error. If one relies too much on objective principles without evidence, there is error.
 
But what's the harm in wearing a mask? Even if it's effectiveness is arguable, it surely can't make anything worse?
 
I did the first section of the quizz and got all but one diagram wrong. The curves clearly show that wearing masks delayed the propagation of the infection. The total number of death not put in comparison to how rural/dense the state is makes no sense, but it is the narrative that the quizz is pushing to "prove" masks do no work
 
You have not been able to give me a single piece of evidence which says wearing mask is uncorrelated with the spread of the pandemic, @AMDG
All you have shown me is the graph of US and the time when they made the mask mandate. There is no conclusion, these are random numbers.
Learn some statistics for a change.
 
Ah, well then how can anyone use these numbers to justify masks?
 
o.9
2:24 PM
you don't really have to though
 
Nobody is using the graph of US to justify wearing masks.
 
o.9
wearing a mask is good for obvious reasons
you don't even need to know what a number is
 
I could say that France has 6 times as few deaths than the USA, and claim that this is because we had strict lockdowns and mask mandates in France. But that's forgetting that France has 6 times fewer inhabitants
 
o.9
do you need to see a graph of population growth and condom sales to see condoms could help reduce unwanted pregnancy?
 
@o.9 Bruh, cringe. Contraception is immoral and not even a consideration.
 
o.9
2:26 PM
good point
 
The data set presented in the quizz is not enough to reach any conclusion, and is wrongfully being used to push a narrative that masks are inefficient.
 
Right, but then there's also the liars in the public media of which I am not content with any of the public TV stations, even the so-called conservative ones like Fox.
 
o.9
sure there's liars everywhere that's true but wearing a mask is necessary to even have a chance of having things like public transit
or universities
or large stores
You do see that right?
 
Which is why, especially as someone doing maths, you shouldn't rely on the media to explain the data to you. Especially when said media shows you 5 beautiful graphs and then makes controversial statements like "look, masks don't work"
 
o.9
If everyone had continued to live life as usual everyone would have been infected extremely quickly
 
2:30 PM
Masks are one thing. If it were just masks, I wouldn't complain, but we're talking about entire economies destroyed, not because of a virus, but because of the questionable decisions of our leaders.
 
I am specifically arguing about masks.
 
cope
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Ok, fair enough
 
So is the quizz
 
You just literally said you don't believe masks prevent an airborne/droplet-transmitted viral infections.
That's like saying earth is flat
 
2:32 PM
Actually, you're the one who said that. I'm not denying the purpose and efficacy of masks, else I should say that surgical masks should not be required to perform surgeries.
*You're the one who said I'm saying that
 
20 mins ago, by AMDG
But yes, I guess I am stupid enough to suggest that mask mandates, etc. are ineffective according to the data.
 
The virus on its own does not only transmit by merely breathing and water molecules...
 
What? Have you heard of the Lancet report, which conclusively proves it's airborne droplet transmission?
 
o.9
Honestly my anti-establishment take is that the cosmopolitan lifestyle is not sustainable and prone to shit like this occuring all the time
 
This is more reason why one should wear masks and not use sanitizers. The chances of picking it up from contaminated surfaces is close to nil.
You mostly get it by breathing it in
 
o.9
2:34 PM
humans have been tribal for most time and that's probably better
and with the internet we can still stay communicated
Which is why my dream is to get a job in a small uni in a rural place and plant some yams on the side
 
I live under a rock and hardly watch mainstream media or news. I have merely taken the side that seems most reasonable with what little has been presented; I'm not quick to trust a bunch of liberals on the TV, nor a bunch of neocons who are, at least in appearance, die-hard patriots of my country and constitution.
When I grew up, I had the privilege of not having friends to influence me, so my opinions and ideas have effectively developed without the influence of others.
 
Lancet is not mainstream media. It's a medical journal.
 
o.9
what a great privilege
 
That still basically remains here and now. My opinions and knolwedge are not as naive as they appear.
 
I mean, you're pushing a quizz trying to gotcha the ones who take it by showing incomplete data and rushing to conclusions
 
2:38 PM
@BalarkaSen Yeah, and I'm not very trusting of modern medicine and medical journals by extension for that reason. They toss out tradition. Not to mention my experience above all with regards to my Crohn's disease and all the research that I've done that suggests all of modern medicine is borked and only works because it is internally consistent.
 
Science works by tossing out traditional believes and replacing them with evidence-based findings, yes. A traditional part of surgery was to not wash your hands before cutting your patients up; someone suggested that they should wash their hands before and that dramatically reduced mortality rates.
There's lots that modern medicine doesn't know. I am not a 11 year old who just reads Richard Dawkins all day. I reserve my skepticism, but I don't go around suggesting masks don't work.
 
You act like tradition is worthless which is exactly the error with modern medicine. Old traditions that seem to work should, in light of new findings, be scrutinized and rigorously tested for veritability, not merely dismissed.
*modern science in general, actually
 
Worldwide life expectancy has increased by 30 years in the last century.
 
I don't think tradition is worthless. I think some things work and some things don't. If tradition says masks don't work then that particular doctrine of tradition should be thrown out of the window.
 
Bruh, these doctors can't even tell me what's healthy to eat. If I want to eat something healthy, I eat what the doctors say is unhealthy, and if the doctors say it is healthy, I avoid it like the plague.
 
2:43 PM
@BalarkaSen Or, more accurately, someone suggested that you should wash your hands after carving up a cadaver and before delivering a baby, everyone laughed at him, he died, and then surgeons started washing their hands. It took a long time for the medical community to accept the idea of "cadaver particles".
(and the theory of "cadaver particles" was not quite on the money, anyway---it took more work to sort that out)
 
Thanks, @Xander.
 
So, if someone cannot get such simple facts of diet correct, what reason do I have to trust them with these things? Sure, these doctors do indeed have legitimate knowledge about the inner workings of the body, and I will trust a surgeon to do his job, but as for the rest, it is questionable.
 
@AMDG I am astonished that you think that "diet" is simple.
 
But it is... you just need to look at tradition
 
You trust them because there is an agreement among the majority of scientists. This is what peer review is about
 
2:45 PM
@AMDG "Traditionally" most people were starving most of the time.
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well, there is nothing like an autoimmune disease to shake your confidence in medicine. they have no idea about most of that stuff. it is better with other types of illness.
 
good ol' days
 
wearing masks to prevent the spread of pandemics is also a tradition
 
i'm in favor of that tradition.
 
"Traditional" foodways were borne out of necessity and availability. People eat (and have always eaten) whatever they can get their hands on.
 
2:46 PM
@XanderHenderson Based on what evidence? The evidence presented today consists of low-quality studies that consist of such powerful study mechanisms as questionnaires about what you ate for breakfast a year ago.
 
@AMDG Based on the archaeological record.
 
Starving or not, what they ate was healthier then than what we eat in general today as a result of all of these novelties in both the food industry as well as medical science.
 
@AMDG That is an arguable assertion, at best.
 
processed food is fairly bad on average, but in most places it is easy to find higher quality food than any of your ancestors ever had access to.
 
Saturated fats, cholesterol, and salt are essential to the function of the body and should be consumed in abundance, not avoided.
 
2:48 PM
can we include tradition prior to discovery of fire, as they were rather ancient, and as they say, tradition ages like wine? then most of the time we were eating uncooked meat
 
TIL obesity is awesome
 
Meats, red meats in particular, are high in readily-absorbable nutrients compared to plant foods that require significantly more work to process by the body, and are often prepared improperly today compared to back then.
Then you've got modern science and "wisdom" such as the lipid hypothesis and "red meat gives you cancer" theory.
 
Traditionally, meat was generally a relatively small portion of the human diet.
Most hunter-gatherers subsist(ed) mostly on plant-derived foods.
Meat was a nice supplement, but hardly an everyday food.
 
Plant-based foods are not calorie dense nor nutrient dense from the perspective of bioavailability.
 
And the modern medical consensus seems to be "you should eat some meat, but not to excess".
 
2:50 PM
i eat meat maybe once a week. last week i had a steak. it was good.
 
Score one for science and tradition.
 
I question your sources.
We're still on par 0-0
 
@AMDG OK. I hope you don't eat red meat on a regular basis based on this alternative science of yours, because it won't bode well for your Crohn's prognosis.
 
I have provided no sources. But, then again, neither have you.
 
@BalarkaSen I have literally survived without the help of doctors and modern medicine by eating red meats often and daily. I have not required biologics in spite of having been diagnosed with severe Crohn's disease.
 
2:52 PM
i went vegetarian for about two months and felt better during that time than i do now. i went back to meat because of stress.
 
The first Google Scholar result for "meat in the human diet" is this: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/…
 
and it is delicious. i don't like pork, though.
 
If I eat anything remotely close to what the doctors consider healthy, I will probably end up in the hospital again for another round of antibiotics etc.
Rapeseed oil (Canola oil) is absolutely cringe yet for some reason it's suggested for cooking.
 
AMDG diet is a very weird and understudied topic. my wife went to some very expensive specialists who deduced that soy and potatoes, which she had previously relied upon, were the worst thing for her. she cut them out and her health improved overnight.
 
What most laymen are ignorant of (and apparently the people who suggest cooking with these things) is that unsaturated fats are converted to free radicals in the presence of high heat. Saturated fats are more stable and less likely to develop into free radicals.
 
2:54 PM
after years of being told to rely upon soy.
 
I've been vegetarian all my life. I don't suffer from any disease.
 
@AMDG My close family member has Crohn's and he's doing much better after cutting red meat out of his diet. Your example proves nothing.
Unless, of course... how old are you?
 
=> proof vegetarian lifestyle is better than consuming red meat daily (based on anecdotal evidence)
 
Soy is trash in high quantities unless fermented to remove phytoestrogens; tofu is fine every once in a while; things like these soy-based "plant burgers", however, have more (phyto)estrogen than is prescribed in estrogen pills by doctors.
@BalarkaSen I was diagnosed with severe Crohn's disease in November of 2017. I am 21 now.
Also, I don't eat just red meats.
 
Oh, so very young. Let's check back in 10 years.
 
2:56 PM
if you just look at life expectancy, it is clear that on average, vegetarianism maximizes life span. but what kind of life is that??
 
Continue. Good luck.
And bye.
 
We get high quality red meats direct from a farm, but I obviously don't just eat red meats.
k cya
 
Good luck being rich enough to buy red meat in 10 years too
 
you're optimistic to think that there's even going to be another 10 years.
 
Much of my daily diet consists of eating sausage, raw milk cheese, raw milk yogurt, eggs, coffee with raw milk cream and Frangelico, some wine, beer, and that's probably about it.
Almost all of these we get from a farm that uses high quality animal feed and ingredients.
 
2:59 PM
i eat mostly vegetable soups, punctuated with the occasional steak and sushi.
 
I love sushi. That stuff is great, but most of the problem is that for some reason, I still can't list all of the ingredients by just looking at it, so I avoid it. :)
 
ethically sourced meat is important. factory farming is very bad for all involved.
they drug the animals, it's just gross.
 
Which is to say they still load up these simple meals in a manner that is no-so-simple with perservatives and flavor-enhancers which is all just vanity.
I mean they do it because they don't really care about quality products, just optimizing profits, but y'know...
What do they know?
 
my friend had a funny experience once, he got a chicken burrito and there was a beak in it.
i'm sure that chicken was processed according to the highest standards.
 
Oh wow that's great
That's another reason to avoid certain packages of sushi. They might use farmed varieties instead of wild-caught.
 
3:02 PM
the stuff you find in the grocery store is almost always farmed. but we do live near the ocean and can get fresh.
 
The farmed varieties tend to have higher levels of the same toxins naturally present in wild-caught fish. Can't remember if it was arsenic or some other toxin.
I think it was mercury
Not to mention what kind of horrors they feed them with and put in the water.
 
farmed fish tend to be lower in mercury, but same level of PCBs as wild. maybe worse.
all this talk of fish is going to make me order sushi for lunch.
 
I'd be glad to at least link some videos to a channel that I trust. All the places that I got my information from have effectively been forgotten--I mean who remembers citation links? However, there's a particular YouTube channel that I like because his videos summarize all the research that I've done since I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease.
You've probably come across his videos. The channel "What I've Learned".
He does a good job of sifting the sand for gold.
He explains his sources as well as the sources of counterarguments and does a good job of pointing out the flaws.
Ya got things like this: youtube.com/watch?v=xRAw7yeDO-c
 
i do wish you the best with that. one of my best friends has lupus and it is nearly incapacitating for her, and her doctors know nothing.
 
@leslietownes Thanks, and I'm sorry to hear that.
 
3:12 PM
her rheumatologist is a nice person. she recommended a good italian restaurant. but when it comes to lupus i think doctors are all making it up as they go along. the good ones are honest about it.
 
Well, I'm actually fairly certain that FMT is a means to cure Crohn's disease and other inflammatory bowel disease. Unfortunately, I have no way to determine that because, well, the issue is finding a suitable donor.
Secondarily is the issue of processing and administration
 
the only people i've known who have done that did it off the grid as a last ditch effort. very little processing.
 
Indeed, not much processing.
But I would want it administered aggressively over 10 days, and then to eat the diet of the donor for at least six months.
 
they should study that more but i don't know where the data sources would comefrom.
you're asking a lot of commitment from your data points.
 
And even just before-hand, eat what the donor does and clear out my intestines. I have several herbal medicines that are safe and effective at clearing out my bowels.
Well, I'm one man working on his own as far as I'm concerned, and I have the disease, so... yeah.
The FDA won't help. A simple legal statement keeps me from receiving FMT outside of experimental or last-resort uses.
It's retarded.
I should be able to just sign a waiver, get the treatment, and move on with my life.
But nah. Instead of having the food administration and the drug administration, we get the Food and Drug Administration.
 
3:17 PM
as an attorney, one thing that interests me is the complete absence of treatment-oriented research that would, by necessity, require testing and monitoring that lasts longer than the patent term.
interesting place where a term of years in the law has real world consequences.
 
I'm not familiar with the terms "treatment-oriented research" and "patent term". Could you please explain?
 
well a lot of medical research is theoretical. only some of it is oriented toward helping people. that's what i meant by treatment oriented.
the patent term in the us is 20 years from filing. if you have a treatment for something that might not manifest in symptoms for 25 years, nobody is going to research it.
because they couldn't patent the results.
 
Cringe. Imagine having a science that exists for the purpose of improving health and it's instead motivated practically by academic interests.
I mean, it's good that there is such motivation at all, but the cause of that motivation is rather strange.
 
publicly using X is enough to invalidate a claim to a patent on X. which makes sense, but is weird with diseases with a long time frame.
 
Are you referring to modern "medicine", aka pharmaceuticals?
 
3:21 PM
I saw a whorse
 
both pharma and other stuff. but mostly pharma.
 
I saw a whorse going by cult.
 
These things don't bring about cures; these things don't bring about health. They bring about the appearance of health and well-being. The world is only good at failing to deliver reality.
 
Mathematics section is discord ripoff
 
hi copper. welcome to thursday.
 
3:24 PM
And math is ripoff of Philosophy
 
Bruh
 
I never thought why can I use limit to infinity in lhopital rule
 
the math genealogy project is funny, because if you do go back, it's not long before you have people whose dissertations were on methods of identifying witches, and stuff.
 
I thought why can't I
sorry for bs+ing I need to go back to garage and you will say nobody asked
 
Math is very much different from philosophy and philosophy is more closely related to theology than math is to philosophy.
 
3:28 PM
and then bunch of guys will come out like they are defending innocent from bulliy and gang bang me out so I will shut up for now for sake of defending my streak of not getting banned
@SrijaM.T The story behind my name is story that is pretty unrelated to my name. My name is variable but temporary constant within certain interval and when that ends I change to whatever I want.
 
 
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5:08 PM
So tessellating the plane nonperiodically with a single, connected 2d shape is still an open problem?
called the "einstein problem"
 
o.9
arent they slightly different
Ein Stein problem seems to ask for a shape that is capable of nonperiodic tiling but not periodic tiling
 
yes
okay you're right they are two slightly different problems
The existence of a strongly aperiodic tile set for the Euclidean plane consisting of one connected tile without matching rules is an unsolved problem.
 
5:36 PM
@robjohn , the only application of little-o that comes to mind is in a Taylor series, which I would guess is the most common application, but by far not the only one. In my particular problem, one is Taylor expanding an unknown function $f$. Then of course the remainder is also unknown, which makes any analysis of the rate of convergence of the estimate impossible.
 
o.9
5:53 PM
I was running some neural networks that try to find the melody of songs on the digits of pi and I was pretty shocked by what I got at the end ngl bit.ly/3iqd94K
 
sounds like numerology
 
o.9
Yeah but the end result sounds incredibly like real music
 
click bait
 
o.9
plz don't report
 
I thought you were on your way to Ireland, @copper.
 
6:01 PM
monday
assuming all goes well, fingers crossed :-)
unfortunately i am flying united. much prefer ba or aer lingus
but a round trip was $3k++ with them
 
o.9
O.o
for 1 person?
 
yup. dealing with united or aa when something goes wrong is like dealing with ryanair
aer lingus & ba staff actually give a f***
 
o.9
I'm going to BCN next sunday
emirates $750
 
is that typical for this time of year?
 
o.9
No
 
6:06 PM
ive only gone to barcelona from europe
 
o.9
I don't know why it was so cheap
usually it was like 1300
 
not sure i'd call that cheap, but then again i don't know where you are originating
 
o.9
from Mexico CIty
 
direct?
 
o.9
yes
 
6:08 PM
did you change your username recently?
 
o.9
I changed my root account on chat
Now it links to my seasoned advice account
 
i am wondering if we had a convo a month ago. i find it hard to keep track unless i see a face (age does not help)
 
o.9
yeah that's me
 
:-)
i like to see my family, but its a frantic trip because they are all around the country. its not that big, but the 3 groups are about 2hr apart from each other.
and i no longer enjoy driving
my 20 yo daughter is flying in from london to meet me
 
o.9
I am my dad's chofer
You can't get your sons to chofer?
 
6:11 PM
nice. do you have bullet proof glass :-)
 
We know this is a new name, but I have no idea what the old one was.
 
o.9
No my window broke last month
now I have to try like 10 times for it to go up
 
Chauffeur :)
 
o.9
it goes down fine though
 
apparently sales of bullet proofed limos has skyrocketed in mx and br
 
o.9
6:12 PM
I haven't seen a limo in years
does a large sedan count?
 
unfortunately my daughter has to work during the week,
 
o.9
like an audi s8 or something
 
sure :-)
i have not been to mx for over 6 years :-(
 
o.9
Most bullet proofed cars are like suburbans or jeeps or the box looking mercedes one
because the roads are trash so it's better to have a truck
 
i suspect many are status rather than safety
i have a friend who spends a lot of time in mx, sometimes she has a security detail
she is fairly wealthy
nice to travel on one's private jet
 
o.9
6:15 PM
she has her own jet?
 
her family does
 
o.9
POG
 
what does that mean?
 
o.9
I've never even flown business class :'(
pog means pogchamp
"t used to be something that people said in a streamers chat when something remarkable happened but now its an overused shitpost meme that makes me laugh every fucking time for some reason"
 
the last time i flew transatlantic it was first class because i knew the captain
 
o.9
6:17 PM
I got to be in the cabin when we landed once when I was like 6
I don't know why though, we didn't know anybody on the plane
 
it was a pleasant & welcome surprise as i was just returning from my mother's funeral :-(
i have flown in the cabin, another friend was the captain on a flight to heathrow
that was cool & stramge
 
o.9
You have many succesful friends
 
most of the flight they were on teh phone and looking up manuals to see if they coudl avoid getting the a/c fixed in london
 
@TedShifrin Hi
 
o.9
the a/c of the plane?
 
6:19 PM
i have friends from all walks of life, not all financially successful
yes about the a/c
people are much the same
i have had some good luck
 
I'm at work
 
i am supposed to be working, but haven't started the clock yet
 
o.9
you charge by da hour?
 
yes.
that's a long story
 
o.9
that sounds pretty cool
 
6:22 PM
technically i started work at about 6:30am, and that work will pay the month's bills, but it is not work in the usual sense.
 
o.9
you pay the bills in one day?
do you plant yams and own a papaya tree ?
 
no, i made enough this morning to pay the month's bills
 
o.9
oh it's a special morning
 
its not real work. but it makes money.
and is extrememly stressful
high risk stuff.
nobody gets hurt :-)
 
o.9
You fix telephone towers
 
6:25 PM
:-) i do the work from bed :-)
my real work is actually getting interesting again
which is why i should spend some time on it
:-)
are you vacationing in bcn or working?
 
o.9
I'm going to start my masters program
in mathematical engineering
whatever that is
 
that sounds like fun!
i know a vc from barcelona
she was just starting her company when i met her
they were trying to hire me
she's an awesome person
haven't seen her in years
unfortunately
i stayed with 13 members of my family in a rural part of barcelona a few years ago
i didn't really get to interact with many locals, so i did not enjoy that part
 
o.9
my grandfather had a farm in rural barcelona but he sold it some decades ago
 
nice, pity for you :-)
basque?
 
o.9
well it was like a farmhouse not a fully fledged farm
no he's andalucian
from almería
 
6:32 PM
oh wow, that's a ways away
by eurpoean standards, at least
to me, 50km is far away :-)
 
o.9
yeah he had to move a lot because of the civil war, his family was in the losing side
 
that's tough.
people don't realise the real impact of civil conflict
they think of it in simplistic terms like 'freedom'. the reality is a lot more nuanced.
it takes a long time for people to appreciate the value of compromise.
 
o.9
what does vc mean?
 
venture capitalist.
i have friends who have spent time in prison too :-)
 
o.9
I have a colleague from school that went to jail
He was going home from a party in a taxi
and he got in an argument with the taxi driver
 
6:38 PM
one was a boarding school buddy who got arrested for managing a power plant while drunk :-)
 
o.9
and they got on a fight and killed him with a punch
 
oh wow. that's tough.
our dean of discipline in high school was a former boxer who had supposedly killed someone in a fight
 
o.9
you're supposed to manage them sober?
 
he gave up fighting and became a franciscan brother
he was a decent fellow. not the brightest, but smart in his own way and always treated people with dignity (which sometimes meant a kick in the pants).
 
o.9
my teachers kept all of their secrets pretty well I think
 
6:42 PM
ireland a few decades ago was like facebook. everyone knew everyone's business
 
o.9
well except for my uni where a lot of them are alcoholics or alleged harassers
 
there was a sort of rough justice growing up, but generally people were fairly ok
it wasn't a great place to grow up if you were different in some ways.
it depended on how you fit in.
 
o.9
that sounds similar to how it's in Mexico, there's a pretty good template of what you have to do to fit in and if you stray away people will make your life tough
 
i suspect older cultures have many similarities. i suspect the impact of catholicism too
 
@BalarkaSen Hi, a Balarka!
 
o.9
6:50 PM
did you get your result back Ted?
 

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