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4:00 PM
ok
 
Do you remember that thing we discussed a while back that a Banach space with a 2-homogeneous sphere must be Hilbert?
 
Apparently the following problem goes back to Banach and is still open: Let $B$ be a separable Banach space with 1-homogeneous unit sphere. Must it be Hilbert?
And the most suprising part (to me, at least) is that this is known to fail for nonseparable spaces
And the counterexample is much less ugly than I expected
 
Hi @Balarka … I wasn’t actually here
 
Oh, @Ted, your gravatar popped up.
@AlessandroCodenotti Huh
 
4:04 PM
My iPad fooled it!
 
Take $\Omega=A\times [0,1]$ where $A$ is some discrete uncountable set and put on it the $\sigma$-algebra $\Sigma$ consisting of sets $E\subseteq\Omega$ such that $E_a$ is Lebesgue measurable in $[0,1]$ for all $a\in A$. Put on $(\Omega,\Sigma)$ the measure $\mu(E)=\sum_{a\in A}\lambda(E_a)$ where $\lambda$ is the Lebesgue measure on $[0,1]$
Then $L^p(\Omega,\Sigma,\mu)$ has a 1-homogeneous sphere for all $p$ but is only Hilbert for $p=2$.
 
Hey @BalarkaSen @TedShifrin
 
Hi Sayan
 
@Alessandro Reasonable example
Hi @Sayan
 
I wasn't expecting it to be an $L^p$ spaces, I thought it was going to be some exotic Banach space
And the measure space is just very big, but not particularly pathological apart from that
 
4:07 PM
@Ted: You of course are aware of the fact that if $G$ is a connected Lie group, $p : X \to G$ is a covering space, then $X$ has to also be a Lie group in a way that makes $p$ a group homomorphism, yes?
 
Sounds right.
 
oNly iF $X$ iS cOnNeCtEd
 
But were you aware of the moral lesson
 
@TedShifrin It's not nice to fool Mather Natural...
 
Better to be flat than sharp, @robjohn.
 
4:13 PM
going musical now?
 
i solved hatred for mathematics
cancel summer and have low-intensity math classes
during summer
 
$\unicode{x266E}$
 
I followed robjohn’s lead.
 
tell the moral lesson
 
to cover a lie, you need another lie
6
 
4:15 PM
Oy.
 
@BalarkaSen but are your lies compact?
 
ok that's a good one, I'll admit
 
Balarka's lies aren’t even separable.
 
but they are dense
 
So it seems.
 
4:17 PM
my lies are second countable but not separable
 
@TedShifrin I'd better get the lead out, then
 
They know no distance.
 
his lies are simple
 
haha thorgott wins
 
hello chat
what are we lying about?
 
4:19 PM
I don't know what we're lying about
 
we are speaking of lies lying over lies
 
Some lie prone; others are prone to lie.
 
or is it lie-ing ?
 
@TedShifrin But what about Lie algebras?
 
Salut, astyx
 
4:21 PM
Comment ça va ?
 
Ça va, plus ou moins. Et toi?
I don’t get it, Xander.
 
@TedShifrin My dog lies, but always tells the truth, however, she commutes
 
So I am trying to make sense of the intersection pairing of line bundles(in general coherent sheaves). So suppose I have two curves $C, C'$ on a surface $S$ and let $O_S(C)$ and $O_S(C')$ be the invertible sheaves. Then I can consider the sequence $$0 \to O_S(-C-C') \to O_S(C) \oplus O_S(C') \to O_S \to O_{C \cap C'} \to 0$$ I want to show this is exact. Before this, I want to first see if I have got the maps right.
 
LOL, robjohn .
 
Ça va, je ne trouve pas de bonnes questions sur le main donc je m'ennuie
 
4:24 PM
Il te faut poser une bonne question.
 
So I have some $f$ in the ideal sheaf of the curve $C \cup C'$ and I restrict this to both $C$ and $C'$ and get something in the direct sum, say $(a,b)$ and which I put inside $O_S$ as $a+b$ which naturally goes into the skyscraper sheaf at the end (This is all happening on some $U$ containing a point $x$ ). This works right?
 
@TedShifrin It was simply an attempt at a pun based on orthography. Clearly, it missed the mark. :\
 
It all started with Balarka and Lie groups, Xander.
 
its all a lie
 
Restricting to $C$ isn’t right, Sayan.
The only restriction is when you get to the skyscraper.
 
4:30 PM
@TedShifrin Ah... I didn't read that far up.
 
Think through the standard example.
Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, Xander.
 
Okay let me do that. I had a feeling the first map was not working
 
@TedShifrin :'(
 
The sequence is wrong, actually. How do you go from zeroes to poles to regular? Totally messed up.
 
Oh I missed a negative sign
 
4:35 PM
or two
 
It is $O_S(-C) \oplus O_S(-C)$
 
Right.
 
These are all ideal sheaves
 
Don’t you need to map to $\mathcal O\oplus\mathcal O$?
Oh, maybe not.
Hmm …
Without the second term it’s fine. Standard divisor stuff.
 
Yeah the second term is the one that I fail to understand. But you were right, I did not try this on any examples. So let me just do that and I will get back
 
4:42 PM
I suggest going through the standard 3-term sequence first. This one I’ve not seen.
 
My guess is you specify two elements $a \in \mathcal O_S(C)$ and $b \in \mathcal O_S(C')$, and the first map is $x\mapsto (ax, bx)$ and the second $(u,v)\mapsto b u-av$
 
But the thing that I was thinking of was that since we have the sky scraper sheaf it's higher cohomologies vanish and when I take the euler poincare characteristic I will just have $\operatorname{dim}H^0(S, O_{C \cap C'})$ which is precisely the intersection number of $C$ and $C'$ and which will be equal to the sum of euler poincare characteristic of all the other terms in the sequence, giving the actual definition of the intersection pairing of two line bundles
@Astyx Yeah I think what you are saying is correct.
 
I got it the wrong way around
 
4:59 PM
@TedShifrin This kind of looks like a face
 
You mean the eyes have it, @Derivative?
 
maybe $\oplus$ is a pig's nose
 
5:12 PM
Okay right here is what the map should look like. Set $a \in H^0(S,O_S(C))$ and $b \in H^0(S,O_S(C'))$. You want something that has zeroes in both $C$ and $C'$ and put it in something that has zeroes on $C$ or $C'$, so you have to multiply it with an element in the opposite guys. So $ x \mapsto (bx, ax)$ and for the second map $(\alpha, \beta) \mapsto (a\alpha - b \beta)$ because we want to make it regular
To check exactness all I have to work with is how $C$ and $C'$ look like in the local ring $O_{X,x}$. I can call them $f,g$ for $C,C'$ respectively. Then since they are all on $C$, the fact that the local rings are Cohen-Macaulay will work
I had completely forgotten the powerful intuition that comes with thinking of these are poles and zeroes. Thanks @Ted @Astyx!
Also @Ted, I remember how you were once talking about thinking of performing blowup two times being related to curvature. So a few days back I was working with the Hirzebruch surface $\Sigma_n = \Bbb{P}(\mathcal{O} \oplus \mathcal{O}(-n))$. The first Hizrebruch surface is the blowup of $\Bbb{P}^2$ at a point and you can talk about connections forms on this pretty explicitly thanks to that projective bundle description. I was wondering if, maybe what you said could be made proper this way?
 
5:34 PM
Well, Not curvature, but second derivative, yes.
 
Oh neat, do you have some reference where I could read about this?
 
 
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6:52 PM
@robjohn Thanks for your reply. What do you mean by $k_\alpha(x)=\frac{[0\le x\le \alpha]}\alpha$? Is $[0\le x\le \alpha]$ an interval or a number somewhere between $0$ and $\alpha$? In case of the latter, should it not be $k_\alpha^2(x)=\frac x\alpha k_\alpha(x)$?
 
@schn Iverson bracket. In this case the indicator $1_{[0,\alpha]}$.
 
@copper.hat Got it. Thanks!
By the way, my question in the chat regarded a question I asked on SE here -->(stats.stackexchange.com/a/530541/263915). As mentioned earlier, it concerns kernel density estimation, but my question is purely math related I would say. In the linked answer, I don't understand the use of $\int |k^2(u)u|du \le \int k(u)|u|du<\infty$ or if these inequalities at all are true. They are supposedly used in the calculation of $\mathrm{Var}[f_n(t)]$.
It is the calculation given in 3. under Edit in the linked answer.
 
7:47 PM
@robjohn Are you saying that the inequality holds? If yes, could you give an example of a $k_\alpha (x)$ for which it does?
 
@schn It is a function using Iverson brackets.
$k_\alpha(x)$ is $\frac1\alpha$ on $[0,\alpha]$ and $0$ elsewhere
 
Got it. I'm familiar with indicator functions, so that parallel helped.
 
one of the best scoring averages of all time, and invented a very useful notation. thanks, allen.
 
@robjohn But when you said "...you can adjust the ratio between the integrals to be anything you wish...", did you mean one can adjust it to make the inequality true?
 
@schn Sure. Just because it holds for some functions, doesn't make the inequality true.
 
7:54 PM
Right, but what would be an example of a function for which it would hold?
I guess the one you proposed? :)
$k_\alpha (x)$?
 
@schn For the proper $\alpha$, yes
 
@robjohn I'm off, but thanks for the insight. I will maybe ping you about it tomorrow again :)
 
@schn np
 
8:18 PM
I already know that if $X$ is a finite CW complex and if $p:\tilde{X}\to X$ is a $n$-sheeted covering space then the euler characteristic $\chi(\tilde{X}) = n\chi(X)$. Can I also say the statement is true for the case when $p$ is a finite covering space i.e. $|p^{-1}(x)|<\infty$ for each $x\in X$ ?
 
8:44 PM
what's a finite covering space? cause I don't see the difference
 
is it a connectedness thing
 
9:05 PM
No, what is $n$ if there is no $n$?
 
seems ripe for a pu but i am comi g up short
 
I deed.
 
9:24 PM
syllable.
 
lately ive been experimenting with a 3adic coordinate system. it plots $0,1,2$ then subdivides by 3 again to $00,10,20,01,11,21,02,12,22$ and so on, it maps all integers to a "number line" between $[0,3)$, i can do this on the x and y axis and plot functions like y=x^2. does anyone know if this is a standard way of visualizing padic functions?
ignore the axis labels here
 
looks like a flight of bats landing at lower left. what am i supposed to get out of that? (kidding)
 
 
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10:48 PM
Is there a way to see all your old messages in this chat because theres something a while back I want to refer to
 
fractal bat
 
@Larry you can scan the transcript
 
But if it's very far up in the transcript and I don't know where, there's no way?
 
If it is recent enough, you can look at your recent comments.
 
Ah perfect, thank you!
 
10:55 PM
It might help to look at peoples' replies to your comments
 
That helps too, thanks!
I was wondering if it's true that a function need not be surjective to have an inverse. It obviously needs to be injective but per your previous reply @robjohn (from a while back), the preimage of an element that is not hit is just the empty set. So it doesn't need to be surjective?
 
11:14 PM
Are you talking about inverse images or inverse functions?
 
@Larry It will be an inverse on its range, not the whole of it's codomain
@Larry a function must act on everything in its domain; even an inverse function.
 
By definition.
 
Ah I see, thank you
 
However, $f^{-1}(E)$ for a set $E$ that is not contained wholly in the range of $f$ will not produce a value for elements not in the range of $f$.
 
Got it, thank you!!
 
11:20 PM
For example $f:\mathbb{Z}\to\mathbb{Z}$ defined as $f(n)=2n$ has a range of $2\mathbb{Z}$. $f^{-1}(\{1,2,3\})=\{1\}$.
even though $f^{-1}(1)$ and $f^{-1}(3)$ are not defined.
 
Woudn't $f^{-1}(1)=\varnothing$?
 
\o @RyanUnger
 
11:48 PM
@Larry No, that would mean $f(\emptyset)=1$. What is true is that $f^{-1}(\{1\})=\emptyset$.
make sense?
$f^{-1}(E)=\{x:f(x)\in E\}$
if there are no $x$ so that $f(x)\in E$, then $f^{-1}(E)=\emptyset$
 
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