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00:34
Hey guys! I’m new here on math SE and I posted a question on the proof of chain rule 12 hours ago but I didn’t get any comments or answers
I was hoping I could share the link here, as I was worried my question is going to get buried and forgotten
00:48
@DavidChoi: I answered your question.
I just looked in my multivariable text to see how I dealt with this issue. There's no harm in pointing out that $|g(\phi+\Delta\phi)- g(\phi)-g'(\phi)\Delta\phi|\le\epsilon|\Delta\phi|$ for $|\Delta\phi|<\delta$.
Then there's no problem.
I actually don't like Courant's epsilonics. He's thinking of $\epsilon$ as the error, which is a function, so it's good engineering style but bad analysis style.
01:11
I find that excerpt almost unreadable
I just added a comment to clarify your point Ted:
But for $\Delta \phi = 0$ when $\Delta x \neq 0$, doesn’t $phi^{‘}(x)$ and $\epsilon$ have to equal $0$? Thus, in the final formula $\epsilon \phi^{‘}(x) = 0$ no mattter what the actual value of $\epsilon$ is at zero. Is my logic here incorrect?
I answered you. You need to prove that as a separate lemma. His approach is just easier, although, as I said, it's not in the modern analytic flavor.
Thor can't parse it because he’s modern.
01:26
I very much admit that
I prefer Spivak and my book, obviously.
01:49
Courant’s textbook has been my first dabble in learning calculus properly; I’ve been enjoying it but some of his proofs are very short and go over important details. Hence me trying to fill in the gaps ahahaha
Try Spivak’s Calculus.
02:17
@TedShifrin do you think it’s worth editing my question to include the lemma u mentioned and give a more complete proof? Or should I add that as a comment?
02:32
An edit would be fine!
02:58
@TedShifrin I’m so sorry for keep asking you questions, but I just edited my question to include my version of the proof. Can you see if that seems ok to you?
Also I would appreciate anyone else’s input as well!
03:20
I don't see the lemma. His error I pointed out with saying $\Delta x$ at the beginning is still wrong.
03:37
hello chat
is the Archimedian property not deducible from the field axioms?
there are non Archimedian fields
e.g. $\mathbb{Q}_p$
uh well, it isn't ordered
but the hyperreals are ordered and aren't archimedian either way so no
field of rational functions
long story short, no, not deducible from field axioms
@leslietownes how do you order them?
03:43
fair enough
Jesus, I need to clean my keyboard
i don't know how they've done it. it may amount to f > g if f - g is eventually positive
@DavidChoi I also believe, that adding another answer or editing your question is OK until it doesn't undermine other answers. If you think your edit adds a perspective or value, then just do it. It may help someone.
dumb question - the group algebra $kG$ is also well defined when $|G| = \infty$ right?
okay, thanks
03:49
i think the usual definition is you consider finitely supported formal sums. there is no topology or anything other than that.
in the abstract.
character theory is so cool
04:13
@LucasHenrique Why is it so cool? Sorry, I haven't heard about it before. Wiki tells a bit about it's applications, but it's always better to hear from someone who already dealt with it
04:31
@vitamind I believe it holds there
05:09
@robjohn How can you evaluate $\int_0^\infty \frac{\ln(\tan(ax))}{x^2+b^2}dx$ without using complex analysis?
a and b are parameters
the more appropriate question may be, why would you evaluate . . . without complex analysis.
complex analysis is good analysis. i'm for it.
05:26
The solution with complex analysis is already here. I am looking for solution with other techniques like differentiation under the integral sign, or whatever else.
@leslietownes
oh, ok.
i'm thinking about it.
this seems to be a very tough question.
The differentiation under the integral sign technique only works when one is very, very fortunate. Sometimes you can set it up as an iterated integral and switch the order of integration. But the complex analysis approach is the most robust.
@robjohn The integral for $\phi(x)=x$ diverges even though all conditions are satisfied. Or did I overlook something? Also, can we set $a=0$ and $b=\infty$?
05:59
$a>0,b>0$
I responded to robjohns post
yes I see the tag after I wrote.
Lol
taskbar x
rainmeter
microsoft powertoys
winaero tweaker
06:21
microspft is a pos
 
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09:03
@vitamind In the sense of distributions or fourier transforms $\int_0^\infty e^{i\lambda x}\,\mathrm{d}x=\frac i\lambda$. It is true that $\lim\limits_{N\to\infty}\int_0^N e^{i\lambda x}\,\mathrm{d}x=\lim\limits_{N\to\infty}\frac{e^{i\lambda N}-1}{i\lambda}$ does not exist (it oscillates about the value I gave above). However...
If one uses the polarized version of Plancherel's Theorem, to integrate against a nice function, you get the same thing as integrating the fourier transform of that nice function against $\frac i\lambda$
 
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A: Polynomial Graph Question Whose Solution Does Not Make Sense

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That took a long time to type up but I think it was worth it, it was a lot of fun :)
I have some question that I can't understand. If the real part of $\bar{z}f(z)$ is always positive on the unit circle, then $f$ has only one simple zero on the unit disk.
One thing is that there is no condition on $f$
Hint is to use Argument principle but the hypothesis of that principle is function to be analytic at least on and inside of simple contour
11:57
problem should be corrected I found some conterexample for not continuous f
12:15
you obviously want f to be meromorphic for that statement to even make sense
12:40
I found that I have more condition
$f$ is analytic on $\Bbb D$
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Q: Show that the given function has one zero inside the unit disk

barista Let $f$ be an analytic function on $\{z:|z|\leq 1\}$ such that $\operatorname{Re}(\overline{z}f(z))>0$ for $|z| =1$. Then $f$ has one simple zero on the unit disk. My attempt: I tried to show this using argument principle i.e. Claim : $\frac{1}{2\pi i}\int_{|z|=1}\frac{f'(z)}{f(z)}=1$. To see t...

13:30
no this cannot happen
t h i s $\quad$ c a n n o t $\quad$ h a p p e n
but this happen
*ed
13:58
If I have two sets of numbers A & B, and a binary operation, is there a name for the set resulting from doing the binary op on the elements of the Cartesian product of A & B? Eg, let A={10, 20, 30}, B = {4, 5, 6}, and the binary op be addition. Then C = {14, 15, 16, 24, 25, 26, 34, 35, 36}.
i call it the outer product table by (whatever op) but idk if that's right in a math context
Well, it's for a programming thing, so it doesn't have to satisfy mathematical purists. It just needs to be convenient & understandable. ;)
Why not call it range f ? @PM2Ring $f$ is the binary op.
@Koro I don't know why you suggest "range". Also, that could be confusing in this context, which is using Python, because range already has a specific meaning in Python. (But of course you weren't to know that I was talking about Python).
Ah Okay @PM2Ring
14:43
@LucasHenrique say what?! but my textbook clearly said...!
$\mathbb Q_p$ is not $\mathbb Q$
oh... um what's the difference
Do you know about p-adic numbers?
oh, no :|
i see... deep stuff
i'm just getting into things...
i've a question
what comes before in academic studies?
number theory or analysis?
there is no order necessarily, these are different subjects
14:50
I would def do analysis first
But it's not necessary per se
of course, if one wants to do something more specific, e.g. analytic number theory, one has to know analysis first, as the name sugests
but say difficulty-wise? or um, prerequisite-wise? you see, like freshman calculus is prerequisite to analysis...
epsilon-delta proofs are a must early in maths studies I think
i see...
yeah im familiar with epsilon delta!
prerequisites are very dependent on where you take a class, and what kind of class it is, more than what the title or subject matter might be.
at my undergrad, it was possible to take number theory before analysis, or vice versa. there was no ordering.
they made you take an introductory real analysis class before taking other analysis classes. that was one ordering.
i think you also had to take an introductory 'abstract algebra' class before more specialized topics like galois theory.
but number theory could have fit in anywhere. other schools might order that differently.
14:55
math subjects are a partially ordered system, not a totally ordered one
even then, i kinda wonder. it isn't clear to me why you'd put complex analysis after real analysis, for example. unless your view is just that you want someone trained in epsilonology before complex analysis.
there aren't really any genuine prerequisites to either analysis or elementary number theory
and yet most schools require real analysis before complex analysis.
except for basic familiarity with sets as is common to all mathematics
ofc more advanced branches of number theory such as algebraic or analytic number theory have algebraic or analytic prerequisites specifically
@leslie I would like people to know basic multivariable analysis before taking complex analysis
how are they gonna understand the Cauchy-Riemann equations otherwise
I guess you could make the point that one doesn't need the Cauchy-Riemann equations for most of complex analysis (at least not explicitly), but that would be very artificial
if they ever wanna check whether a function is holomorphic, they should know how to differentiate
you could do it just from power series. i'm not saying this is optimal, just that it could be done. and precisely as you note, because of the cauchy riemann equations, a lot of the pathologies you see fairly early on in real analysis just don't come up.
at my undergrad the complex analysis class tended to be a lot like a calculus class. lots of contour integrals and calculational stuff. at least when the postdocs taught it.
you had to find the right faculty member to get a real class.
15:02
well, they have to know some real analysis to even understand power series
a 'calculus' level of power series might be enough. i dunno. i've never tried this.
same goes for the integrals and stuff
ah ok, you're speaking with someone to whom the concept of calculus doesn't exist
yeah in the US there's a weird divide where you get a good bit of real analysis in sheep's clothing, and then if you major in math you get it again.
i got a very good education in sequences and series from my calculus class. it was better than my 'real analysis' exposure.
i think thats because the sequences and series part of most calculus courses is about getting your hands dirty with using various tests to show convergence/divergence, and this is only a small component of a real analysis class
my analysis instructor wanted the real analysis class to be a point set topology class.
maybe 2/3 of the semester was chapter 2 of rudin PMA. we did technically get to integration and the fundamental theorem of calculus, but it was an afterthought.
15:13
horrible
it was good preparation for topology but not the best intro to analysis.
I have a quick (math-related) question about one of the answers on this site, is here an appropriate place to ask>
*?
yeah that's not ideal, we had a real analysis class which actually covered a surprising amount of baby rudin, pretty much everything up to start of the differential forms bit, and also a class called metric/topological spaces that covered all the point set stuff
romain, certainly.
well, the metric/topological spaces course didn't cover any of the separation axioms in detail or urysohns lemma, maybe yours was more specific
15:16
For the top answer of this post here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2670/is-the-closedness-of-the-image-of-a-fredholm-operator-implied-by-the-finiteness

This is kind of a slick trick, but I don't really see how the assumption of finite dimensionality of the cokernel was used... any clarification is much appreciated :)
Also, it is not obvious that T' is surjective, if the range isn't already closed, right? I'm just confused...
mm, i'm going to have to think this through.
finite dimensional => closed
is what I think is happening here
the result is true. i'm not sure if this argument fully cites everything you need to get you there. i've seen this goofed up in a number of books.
Okok, I will keep looking around to see if I can find something more detailed... thank you though
peter lax's functional analysis book has a very good treatment of the fredholm theory.
15:21
And @Astyx yes, but we don't have that assumption on the range, just the quotient...
that's where i'd tell anyone to look. it has the downside of being fairly expensive to purchase. unfortunately, i understand there are ways of obtaining copies of books without purchasing them.
@leslietownes I'll see if I can find a copy! :)
Thank you
He can take a closed complement because the codimension is finite
that's it.
But any orthogonal complement is closed
15:23
my advisor was writing a paper once and had this really tangled argument. i said, this is done in two clean paragraphs in lax, why not just cite that. he kept it in because he loved it so much.
later i realized the tangled argument also worked for unbounded operators.
sometimes more senior people really do know more than you.
@leslietownes looking through the table of contents of Lax, this book is freaking huge
A very impressive breadth of stuff is in there
Have you gone through it closely? Would you strongly recommend over other resources?
yes.
maybe borrow it from a library before you purchase. but his style is, in my view, ideal.
I have temporary access through my institution, so I will give it a close look... tyty
15:39
I think if you look at the set of polynomials in C([0,1]), its orthogonal complement is {0}, but this is not a complement (?)
(might be completely wrong, my brain is fried rn)
Ah I think I figured it out... The fact that the codim is finite means C is fin dim. This guarantees that the induced map T' (as Jonas calls it in his answer) is bounded. Were C not fin dim, there is no guarantee that this map would actually be bounded, so the OMT would not work
@robjohn So does the van de corput lemma not work if we want to check convergence in the case $b=\infty$?
(if the convergence of the integral is not in the sense of distributions)
16:15
Is adding relevant tags to a question with your own answers frowned upon?
i can't imagine why it would be.
i sometimes see people fiddling with tags on age-old questions, which is confusing, but doesn't really bother me either.
cuz adding tags increases ur score on the tagged categories
would an older version of lax be called ex-lax?
so u can do it to get gold badges
and then use ur powers to dunk on new users
adding appropriate tags is allowed
16:24
the only real power was to get a mug and they have taken that away
adding inappropriate tags is disallowed
at least i got my mug
yes adding innapropriate tags did not seem correct to me for some reason
if people notice you retagging to game the system for perms you will probably be suspended (but you'd have to edit a lot of questions and it'd be easier to just answer those questions appropriately)
@Yorch well of course, it's "inappropriate" for a reason
and if you are dupehammering posts that aren't duplicates that is an abuse of power and bannable as well
generally inappropriate things are, well, inappropriate .
16:27
I don't close things in general haha
If I know something is a dupe I just link it
and wait for someone with more decisiveness to close it
disc space is cheap.
there are lots of 'meta' mechanics as to math.se that i just don't understand. i leave it in the capable hands of mods, who have the thankless task of keeping the ship afloat.
closing a question adds information, as does deleting
How can I link an answer or a comment?
an answer can be linked with the share button under it
a comment can be linked by right clicking the date next to it and clicking copy link
well, at least on firefox, I'm guessing with most normie browsers it works similarly
16:32
you could also just click the date and then copy-paste the URL out of the URL bar in the top. either works, i prefer this method
click the date and then do ctrl+l ctrl+c
yeah that's what i do
is faster for me because i don't need to remember where the "copy link" item is and move my mouse over and click it
fortunately I have no need to link comments
I'm guessing it's mostly not done for good comments
I link good comments a decent amount to bring attention to relevant information to ongoing discussions
Thanks
16:52
@copper.hat They bought back swag a few months ago. And it's even retro-active, so if you passed a swag milestone (100k or 250k) during the no-swag period, you're still eligible for swag. There's info about it on the mother meta.
* brought
don't tell him that. he is a reputation hound.
@PM2Ring Thanks, I heard. But no mug :-). The t-shirt ripped the moment I put it on, unfortunately.
i'm a pure rep addict
especially for convex PSQs
i even degenerated to a probability question last night.
it's fun to look at my own rep curve. logarithmic growth because of inactivity for almost a decade, and then boredom during the pandemic.
you can pinpoint when i got so bored out of my mind that i was back on the site.
mine correlates with light workload and truly uninteresting workload.
@Yorch Across the network, the general attitude is that such retagging should be organic. That is, do it when you're writing your answer, or when you run into questions that need tag edits. Don't go on a binge of retagging all the old questions you answered and flooding the front page with a bunch of old stuff.
16:56
i have a close academic friend who calls me when he is annoyed, bored or drinking. wo when he rings, i know something it up
luckily a different country, so the hours tend to work
Ok that makes sense, although it also makes me wonder when an edit causes a post to float to front page
i have a coworker like that.
All sorts of trivial edits trigger it.
@copper.hat You might have received an email that you need to reply to. Otherwise, you need to contact them. See meta.stackexchange.com/q/358195/334566
we have a very functional relationship but sometimes we frighten our coworkers. the other day we were asked by someone if we would take someone out for a zoom lunch. there was some toxic back and forth that ended in her emailing me, ccing everybody, "Shut up. YOU DO NOT TALK." i think she forgot that our inside jokes are between us and not generally known.
16:59
any edit makes a question float back up?
it seems like a lot of edits do.
@PM2Ring Thanks; it will be a long time, if ever, before I hit the next milestone.
i really hate it. sometimes i respond to something only to realize it had floated up to the front page from 2012.
@TedShifrin: I just updated the image to an answer I wrote a while ago, and noticed your comment. Thanks!
17:00
The big advantage is the eye rolling from my offspring when my SE mug comes out.
I don't really see a problem with floating up a 50 upvote question
once every 5 years
@Yorch Every edit bumps a post. (Although IIRC, there are some special things that diamond mods can do that don't bump the post).
All sorts of bad questions appear, too.
looking at a bad question ruins my day tbh
@PM2Ring we can merge tags which does not bump, but it also does not create any revision history
17:01
if i'm being honest, i don't generally care about it. i just sometimes feel silly for weighing in on something only to learn it's only on my radar because someone edited the tex, or whatever, and the OP is long gone.
@copper.hat I use my MSE mug all the time. No one in my family has asked about it.
@robjohn That was literally when I joined the site.
@robjohn they don't know what the symbol means?
i saw the sign...
@Yorch I don't think so. It says "MATH.STACKEXCHANGE.COM" on it, so they could look it up
17:03
to be honest no one in my family knows what the symbol is either
it opened up my eyes
The Community user bumps old posts that have zero score on the question and its answers, so that we can vote on them. So when you see such bumped posts, vote on them so that Community won't bump them again.
but I think they know all my olympiad flair stuff is from the olympiad
Oh, they probably know then :)
unless you always do the dishes
although I like using the same mug 10 times without cleaning it
the cofee powder in the bottom makes it more powerful
that's both of my mugs. herbal teas of various varieties go in and out.
@Yorch I always wash that mug. Don't want to risk a second mug. (The first one got dropped, but SE replaced it.)
17:05
It's like the dust in potheads grinders
i wouldn't know anything about that.
oh, do you need to clean mugs?
I don't think so
unless you drink your cofee with cream
but you should probably get that checked first if you do
i like the mudpit look. it is tea, of course, as any self respecting irishman would drink
I also like the mudpit look
and to be completely honest I sometimes smell the mug before preparing the coffee
17:09
same with t-shirts :-)
@TedShifrin you'd been here almost 2 months. Made me look, and I'm coming up on 10 years next month
i don't hit 10 years for a few more months.
When I started using the site I was a dumb teenager
I was able to get the teenager side of things fixed
i wasn't, physically, but i definitely was mentally.
still am, if you ask most of the people around me.
heh, still am a dumb teenager (18 so technically an adult, but it's still eighteen) :)
17:13
Teenager until 20
I still can't run for president :'(
or get vaccinated haha
someone asked the other day if i'd be putting in something for a citation that you get if you're under 40. i said, it's a little late for that.
on the bright side, i am legally capable of running for president of the USA.
that is a pretty low bar
Clearly.
yorch where is the vaccination bar in your area? almost anyone seems to be able to get it now. except my daughter.
17:16
i think there should be a presidential exam
copper you aren't. not a natural born citizen.
i am, just not of the usa
they are working on the 40-50 range right now
is ted cruz one?
there are no other countries.
i think technically he does qualify, as painful as it is for me to say it.
17:17
i thought he was a citizen of cancun?
I was a c-section
cancun?
beach in méxico were he gets wasted in the coco bongo
ted cruz is the classic example of someone who isn't working class putting on some carhartt and playing dress-up and for some reason the entire state of texas bought into it. i don't know if they were offered better alternatives.
phony classism really ticks me off but that's another story.
that's a really good map projection.
the new zealand being made out of two tiny south americas is what does it for me.
17:23
The Australia mainland is pretty bad, though. Maybe he could've done a better job with 2 or 3 south americas.
you're not wrong about that.
and ireland, should be the other way around. i mean, the important bit is cork.
cork and environs are a source of neer do wells.
Eh, if you glanced at that picture without really looking closely, you'd see a world map
the world needs a good supply
17:25
@robjohn That's what I thought!
i like the upside down world maps.
@copper.hat I am afraid I will spill my tea looking at one
it is surprising how attached we are to one orientation when it comes to identifying places
In A=QR , aren't we essentially taking dot product btw 3 vectors ($q_1,q_1^T , a$) ?
@leslietownes Americana singer / singwriter / guitarist Gillian Welch was starting to have some success, but some of the country music crowd complained: "How dare you write country music! You grew up in LA!". In retaliation, she wrote this gem: Time (the revelator).
Sorry about the ad.
17:34
@copper.hat Some people like to have their GPS map pointing in the direction they are headed. I find that very confusing. I need my GPS map north up.
When I navigate, I like the map to correspond to the surroundings :-)
@copper.hat does that mean the direction your heading is up?
i'm with robjohn on this, i hate when the map rotates around.
Yes, or straight ahead. I like paper maps.
17:38
I was very sad when Thomas Bros maps went out of business. Best maps around here.
Street Maps all over California, at least
My brain does not possess the necessary $O(3)$.
I like the Irish/UK ordnance survey maps.
one thing that annoys my wife is i don't know the names of any streets. i know orientation and where i need to go. i have no idea what i'm on.
I like my contours coloured.
she'll say go down smith st until you get to 7th and i'm like, can you please phrase that in the form of actual directions.
she might be a pod person and not a real person.
My first time in China proper was on the island of Hainan on Christmas day. I suddenly realised that a map is practically useless in a town unless you can identify the characters.
No matter how you rotate it.
17:41
I learn the street names with paper maps. If I let my nav system take me, I never learn the street names.
i know the street names within 3 miles of where i was born. since then, complete blank
i know the name of the street i live on, but i have no idea what the connecting street is
Streetface Mcstreet
the 'modern' USGS maps are mostly based on acquired data & processing, no more person on the ground sort of stuff.
I discovered when the modern map of Mount Shasta had Thumb Rock in the wrong place.
I contacted USGS to discuss.
@leslietownes Excellent. The closing track on that album is the 14m44s epic I Dream A Highway. It's one of the best highway metaphor songs of all time. You have to be in the right mood to appreciate such a long song, but IMHO it's well worth the journey. ;)
as long as it isn't "life is a highway," we can be friends.
i was not familiar with this artist, thank you.
we're at a weird moment with data acquisition. for a while i remember seeing people arguing that we didn't need the US government to be involved in the weather. citing private companies that refined and monetized what was taxpayer funded data.
@leslietownes :) It's like an American Gothic version of Life is a Highway. Gillian Welch & Dave Rawlings are awesome.
17:49
i keep thinking baby & bath water
hello, please is this has a sens : On $\mathbb{R}^n$ Let $E^r$ be the sub vectoriel space from $C$ constituted by functions which have continuous partial derivative until the rang r
the sentence does not identify C. it isn't clear where the functions have their ranges (maybe it is $\mathbb{R}$).
the rest is pretty clear to me although may not be how i would have written it.
with multi-index situations it is sometimes helpful to point out whether 'up to r' means you're summing or maximizing. e.g. is d^2f/dxdy order 2. it probably should be but it's also an iteration of two first order derivatives.
C(A,K) where $A\subset \mathbb{R}^n$, the space of continuous function
$A$ is open
18:08
\R or \C
@vitamind The lemma is stated on an interval and, independent of $a$ and $b$ the inequality holds. However, the boundedness of a function does not imply its convergence. So, the lemma implies the bounds on the value one gets from looking at it as a distribution, but it does not imply its convergence.
the space of continuous function can contains a sub space of function with continuous partial derivative r times ?
@Vrouvrou You need to work more on basic things before you ask us questions.
Thanks @robjohn.
 
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Any differential geometers in the house?
19:56
No. They all live on a non-orientable surface, and therefore cannot be said to be "in" or "out".
@XanderHenderson Non-orientable surfaces ... As a physics person I hope to never encounter them
@MoreAnonymous I will very happily mail you a Möbius band...
:P
@XanderHenderson Please include a pair of scissors too :P
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