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10:05 AM
does anyone know where I can read up on how Cramer's rule allows us to determine which linear systems are inconsistent and which systems are indeterminate?
wikipedia's article mentions the results, but no explanation
 
10:27 AM
Can I ask question here?
 
Just ask; don't ask to ask
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I have some algebra question. I want to show that if $F[x,y]$ is a polynomial ring with two variables over a field $F$ and $(x^5,y^6,xy)$ is an ideal of that ring, then it cannot be generated by two elements i.e. there is no $f,g\in F[x,y]$ such that $(f,g) = (x^5,y^6,xy)$.
Is there some easy way to show this without using very high concept of algebra?
Someone comment my post with the link math.stackexchange.com/q/1251419/922120
But I wonder if it fits to my problem
 
11:22 AM
@shintuku 3blue3brown on YouTube has a video about it, maybe that's worthwhile to check out? youtu.be/jBsC34PxzoM
 
11:45 AM
Hi @robjohn ! How are you? I hope you are fine! I got 2 answers to this question. I upvoted both. If you have time, can you at least give a little comment under the question? I have answers. But I want to get teacher approval. Can you help me?
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Q: Proving that $x(x^2-1)(x^2-10)=c$ cannot have five integer solutions for any real $c$

lone studentI found this question that caught my attention at MSE. Something is going wrong with my "solution", but I can't find it. I doubt the solution is that simple. There could be a terrible mistake in the solution. Original problem says: Prove that for any real values of $c$, the equation $x(x^2-1)...

 
11:57 AM
@BrookTaylor found out a formal definition! thanks
 
No worries
 
 
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1:08 PM
caesar shift
 
What do you call a map that maps a set to itself?
Isn't it an automorphism?
Like $f:C[0,1]\to C[0,1]$
 
@BrookTaylor Endomorphism, I think
Automorphisms are endomorphisms which are also isomorphisms
 
Yes!
You're right
 
yeah, endomorphism is the word, though that's usually only used in algebraic structures or category theory
if it's just any old map, "self-map" may be more appropriate
 
1:25 PM
well, endomorphism is the right word, also from the perspective of category theory. doesn't matter if it's sets or other algebraic structures
haven't seen "self-map" too often
 
 
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3:17 PM
Imagine the top-right quadrant of the plane is an infinite sheet of paper, and define the "origami area" of a point to be the area of the quadrilateral obtained by picking up the corner and folding it onto the point, as shown.
Then the lemniscate of Bernoulli (this nice figure eight shape), rotated 45 degrees, has the nice property that the origami area of any of its points is constant, and in fact equals the area of one lobe of the lemniscate.
This, I believe, is related to the fact that the lemniscate of Bernoulli is the circle inversion of the hyperbola y=1/x.
 
3:42 PM
@lonestudent I added a comment that will hopefully lead to a simpler solution.
@AkivaWeinberger "the corner"?
 
@robjohn The origin (the corner of the top-right quadrant)
 
Ah, so the infinite sheet is infinite only to the top and right, so there is a bottom left corner
 
What would be a good book to learn matrix decompositions?
 
@AkivaWeinberger I never done known that.
 
3:50 PM
Thanks!
 
Yeah I'm pretty sure if you define the "rectangular area" (I don't know a good name!) of a point $(x,y)$ to be $xy$ (the area of the rectangle to the left and below it), the "origami area" I defined is the rectangular area of the point's inversion
That is, the inversion of $(x,y)$ is $(r^2/x,r^2/y)$ where $r^2=x^2+y^2$, and the origami area of $(x,y)$ is $r^4/xy=(r^2/x)(r^2/y)$
 
I still don't understand origami area.
 
If you fold the corner of a sheet of paper O onto a point A on the paper, the "crease" is the perpendicular bisector of the line OA
The crease intersects the sides of the paper at points X and Y, say
I'm looking at the area of the quadrilateral OXAY
See the first picture I posted
 
Your picture had too special a point $A$.
 
38 mins ago, by Akiva Weinberger
user image
Did it? It was pretty random
 
3:56 PM
The corner of the unit square?
 
There were three pictures
I just reposted the first one
 
I see that.
 
The point was (0.46,1.1) I think
So do you still have questions...?
 
I'll ponder later.
 
@Ted how do I understand sections of the dual of the tautological bundle? it's possible to do those by calculating with cocyles in charts, but I'm hoping for a more geometric perspective to exist
 
4:15 PM
Homogeneous polynomials of degree $1$.
Not too surprising, since linear functionals on lines through the origin, continuous as a function of the line, should patch to global linear forms.
You can verify that it's correct from the cocycles, of course.
And for $\otimes^k$, you get homogeneous polynomials of degree $k$.
 
is there no better way to see it than cocycles?
 
I just explained the better way to see it.
Check that any homogeneous polynomial defines an element of the dual space and gives a global section.
 
yeah, homogenous polynomials of degree 1 are all linear functionals on $\mathbb{C}^{n+1}$ and the section just comes from restricting a fixed functional to the span of $[x]$ for any $[x]\in\mathbb{P}^n(\mathbb{C})$, so that makes sense, but how do I see these are all possible sections?
 
What else could restrict to a linear functional on each line?
 
what tells me a priori that a global section comes from restricting a fixed functional?
 
4:25 PM
Take your global section and look at what it does?
 
@robjohn Thank you very much!
 
@Thor: Usually, when you think of this in terms of a sheaf, you start with the presheaf of homogeneous functions of degree $k$ on the preimage of the open set.
 
4:47 PM
@TedShifrin I don't see it
 
I think the easiest way to nail it is just to use transition functions. If you know something about sheaf cohomology, I can offer an inductive argument.
If $H\subset\Bbb P^n$ is any hyperplane ($\cong \Bbb P^{n-1}$), then you have a short exact sequence $$0\to \mathscr O(-1)\mathscr O \to\mathscr O_H\to 0,$$ and can tensor this with $\mathscr O(1)$ and look at the beginning of the long exact sequence on cohomology.
 
that sounds like an argument I might understand next month
 
@JaakkoSeppälä I like Matrix Computations by Golub & Van Loan.
 
5:02 PM
Oops. I omitted an arrow. Oh well.
I don't see anything wrong with my argument as a heuristic and transition functions as a rigorous proof. But, in general, sheaf cohomology is all about asking (among other things) when does a global section come from restricting an ambient global section, etc.
 
yeah, but there is a bit of subtlety necessarily
the heuristic doesn't emphasize why holomorphicity is important and the statement is very much false smoothly
 
If given a chance to meet two mathematicians (dead or alive), who would you choose to meet?
 
Well, holomorphicity plus local triviality of the bundle should give the uniqueness argument.
 
i would not want to meet a dead mathematician.
 
5:18 PM
even living ones, there's the question of the purpose of the meeting. talk math? party? or just bother them?
 
<--- dead mathematician
 
i would hopefully attempt to make contact with two mathematicians who could answer a quick question:
my book says $h$ is a map with domain $\mathbb{R}^2$, and explicitly sets its basis to $\{ (2 \ \ 0), ( 1 \ \ 4) \}$. Am I to understand that this isn't actually $\mathbb{R}^2$, but rather a subspace of it?
 
the real span of those vectors is still $\mathbb{R}^2$...
 
it appears to be regarding R^2 as a vector space with that chosen ordered basis. i agree that depending on where this is in a book, it could be confusing to see that, because proving that that list is a basis would be a common exercise.
and not just something you say in the setup to something else.
 
Well, shin said "sets its basis ..." ... so that's clear enough.
 
5:24 PM
yeah, i just think that "consider R^n with the basis [list]" contains an implicit assertion (but no argument) that the list is a basis. which to me might be fine in chapter 20 but not in chapter 2.
 
I mean, by this point we know that two non-parallel vectors give a basis for $\Bbb R^2$.
 
so.. we could use a representation using this basis, or just the standard basis. it's confusing because the author introduces this basis in order to explain representation in another basis
without specifying any other constraint
 
What's the point, anyhow? $h$ is a linear map and we're giving its matrix representation with respect to this basis?
 
$h$ is a map from $\mathbb{R}^2$ to $\mathbb{R}^3$ and the author goes on to specify two bases
for each of these
 
We need latex support in this chat
 
5:25 PM
@Abhig I've got good news for you
 
Sent a request to Stack Exchange. Let's see what happens.
 
There is! Check the sidebar
 
Really?
 
See the upper right part of the page with the tinyurl links.
 
Yeah. There are two URLs.
 
5:27 PM
the author introduced $h$ to begin explaining changes of basis. but I asked the above question because that change of basis looked totally superfluous and arbitrary
 
and I wish could have talked with/taken a class or two from V.I. Arnold and if i spoke another language, Jacobi. So those are my two mathematicians :)
 
I would have said to the author: just use the standard one, man
 
Oh! Got it. Now it's working.
Thanks!
 
@Abhigyan Thank @robjohn. He wrote that years and years ago.
 
i went to a single talk by arnold. that's a good choice.
 
5:29 PM
Arnold was supposed to be at a conference I went to in Lyon (in honor of Elie Cartan's 100th birthday, I think), but they didn't allow him out of Russia.
 
i wouldn't mind meeting gauss, just to say that i met gauss. or having one more talk with my advisor.
 
@shintuku In my books I use the following sorts of examples. Suppose you want to find the standard matrix of, say, reflection across a line in the plane. With respect to an obviously-chosen convenient basis this matrix will be $\left[\begin{matrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1\end{matrix}\right]$. Now the change of basis formula gives you the matrix you want. Even better in higher dimensions ...
 
I would like to meet Euler and Newton
 
I love his stuff! His Diff.Eq book and his Mathematical Methods of Classical mechanics are two of my all-time favorites. I have scoured the internet for talks and found a few but I wish there were more in english.
 
I would have to go with Gauss and Elie Cartan.
 
5:32 PM
Can we meet non pc people?
:-)
 
Like a Nazi?
 
bieberbach and who, now?
 
ahhh! cartan is such a good choice! there are too many mathematicians I wish I could have learned from!
 
not quite, but same vein. obviously i would not support degenerate beliefs, but would still be interested in mathematical perspectives.
 
@Quin I feel very honored to have studied at the feet of two or three of those (even counting a colleague who's just in the stratosphere).
 
5:34 PM
@leslietownes bieberbach and teichmüller
 
there are some Russian mathematicians whose (mathematical) perspectives i would be interested in.
 
there we go. what a jolly group. ask them if they were serious about it or just riding a wave, and before they can answer, hit them.
that would be a fine meeting.
 
I wish i could say I know what you mean! Chern is absolutely amazing! @TedShifrin
 
i would like to know where hestenes got his idea for conjugate gradients
and pontryagin for the maximum principle
assuming the attributions are correct
 
@Quin Indeed. And Phillip Griffiths was too, still alive. Robert Bryant was a grad student the same time I was and we became friends, but he is just an astounding super-star.
 
5:38 PM
while i am not pc, i find it difficult to separate contributions from perspectives that do not accord dignity to others uniformly.
 
Well, the fact that POC and women are drastically underrepresented in mathematics is a big problem, @copper.
 
@TedShifrin I have watched Robert Bryant talk a few times (on YouTube) and understanding some of his work is a long term goal of mine. I really appreciate his style. (Similar to Arnold, I gather, making hard stuff simple instead of a weird trend of making not so hard stuff hard!)
 
i agree. i was thinking of pontryagin
 
@Quin Yes, Robert is an excellent teacher and expositor.
@copper I am ashamed to say I do not know the history to which you are referring.
 
there was some controversy about him being anti Jewish.
 
5:42 PM
There's no shortage of that in mathematics, @copper.
 
Robjohn, Xander Henderson Can you unfreeze this room?
 
From a cursory glance, the room looks like it deserves to stay frozen.
 
:-/
 
There is a room that the moderators hang out in. You can ask in there.
 
6:01 PM
@Wolgwang I unfroze the room. Luckily I saw your message; without an @, I almost missed it.
 
Thanks :-)
@robjohn I didn't want to disturb you...
 
@Wolgwang If I don't want to be disturbed by pings, I turn the volume down.
I think they are necessary for sorting through conversations in a crowded room.
 
Ah, that's why @robjohn loves to ping us all :P
 
@TedShifrin indeed!
 
:D
 
6:03 PM
Yes, if you're paging someone with a purpose, a ping is recommended. But some people come in here and ping us for no good reason!
 
When someone comes in and pings someone, who has been inactive for a long time, just to say 'hi', it is annoying.
 
I shan't name names.
 
@copper.hat hi
banned by the catholic church
 
hahaha
 
self gratification was the euphemism. as a youngster i read a lot of my mum's stuff, and took me many years to understand why there was so much discussion about said topic. my mum was usually at pains to explain was uncharacteristically silent.
 
6:17 PM
How did you wander into this topic?
 
autopinging
 
ROFL
 
I apologize for my past poor ping etiquette
 
You weren't on my nameless list.
 
Consider a function $f: R \to C$ lying in $L^2 (R)$, so $\int |f(x)|^2 dx < \infty$. Suppose $f$ has an analytic continuation to complex $z=x+iy$ for $y$ at least in some interval $I$. Are there any general statements or theorems regarding the convergence of $\int |f(x+iy)|^2 dx$ for all $y \in I$? Have you seen something similar yet, maybe examples or so?
 
6:31 PM
The original function isn't likely to be analytic on $\Bbb R$ if it's in $L^2$, so I'm not sure what sense this question makes.
 
if analyticity is part of the assumption, a useful search term might be 'hardy class'
it doesn't answer your question so much as assume the hypotheses of your question, but people have generalized them a lot
so maybe there is stuff known about the gap if any between hardy class functions and functions that just happen to analytically extend to square integrable functions as you describe.
 
@TedShifrin If it's just on $\mathbb{R}$, then it has some chance of being analytic and $L^2$. e.g. $e^{-x^2}$
 
I'm used to that with the unit disk/circle.
 
the standard hardy classes would be for the upper half plane. i.e. $I = [0, \epsilon)$ with nothing below the real axis. i haven't thought about this in long enough to know if that makes a difference.
yeah or the unit disc. i prefer the unit disc.
 
@courge9 That does look like $H^2$
 
6:34 PM
Yes, @robjohn, sure, but rare.
 
Right, I know about Hardy classes, should have said that. I would need something concerning a symmetric strip around the real axis, not upper half plane or unit disk
 
withdraws from the discussion given the presence of actual analysts
 
As a matter of fact, I do have a function which is L^2 and real analytic on all of R.
 
@courge9 Oh, for some open interval containing $I$
 
on at least a closed interval or an interval you don't mind shrinking a bit on the x-axis, those extensions seem like they ought to have finite integral no matter what, and it's just a question of controlling the growth at endpoints of your x-range or your y-range.
which you see even in just the usual definition of H^2, which i think assumes a uniform bound on the L^2 norms of the slices. if that wasn't automatic they probably wouldn't put that in the definition.
 
6:38 PM
well, $I$ could be a closed interval, but it's symmetric, so it's [-a,a] or (-a,a) for some real $a$
 
Right, H^2 either has the whole upper half plane (which would be $I=[0,\infty)$ in my setup), or a unit disk, both of which do not apply to my problem
 
i think the books i would have consulted to enlighten myself more about this were lost in a move.
 
I'm asking because the function I have here is quite complicated (involving several integral transforms and other shenanigans), so proving brute-force that the analytic continuation is still in L^2 is hardly possible. But I figured maybe there are some general results I couldn't find in the literature yet... I'm not an analyst by the way
 
i've definitely seen generalizations of classical hardy where they don't require uniform boundedness on the whole upper half plane, only some kind of niceness close to the x-axis and maybe some growth condition or not even having square integrable slices past some point. but this vagueness is useless to you.
 
6:46 PM
maybe it's useless, but it gives me hope :D
 
several integral transforms. i like the sound of that. i would have suggested looking at papers specific to those transforms but if you're combining them, they may not talk to each other in any useful way. they meaning the references.
as long as this isn't part of some plan to prove the riemann hypothesis, i wish you luck.
 
yeah, consulting papers about these integral transforms was my first attempt, of course. But to no avail. So I thought, maybe there are general results on that matter
nah, no Riemann hypothesis. Just some physically motivated problem.
do you have any suggestions where I could look for those generalizations of classical hardy classes you were mentioning?
 
a good start might be a google scholar search for papers with 'hardy spaces' in the title which would likely to push beyond the classical theory and not recapitulate books with the phrase 'hardy space' in the title (although if you can find those, they might be helpful)
 
I have a question about having a measure on R^2 and then pushing the measure to R^2_+ but integrating on R^2_+ w.r.t. to the measure on R^2
 
what does that mean?
 
6:57 PM
before we even get into pushing the measure, why not just skip doing that if you don't plan on using it in integration
side question would be copper's
 
i hate silent downvotes on answers that have been around for ages.
 
Riemann integration of f(x) on R^2
 
how does measure enter into it?
 
need measure to Riemann integrate?
 
is there a more concrete question that gave rise to this question?
 
7:05 PM
@leslietownes thanks, I'll try that. If you happen to recall anything later, please let me know
 
i will do, even if it's just the name of the book.
 
yes please, that would be very helpful
 
the book might have been 'generalized analytic continuation' by ross and shapiro, if not it is probably cited in that book.
i had a couple of books by bill ross and coauthors. his papers might be worth a glance although i think he was generally focused elsehwere. but people do work on this stuff.
 
thanks, I'll have a look
 
7:39 PM
Hi guys, I hope everyone is safe!

What can we say about a riemannian manifold that has minimal submanifolds everywhere and in any "direction"? Is it, for example, of constant sectional curvature?

By minimal submanifolds "everywhere" and "any direction" I mean that for any given point $p\in M$ and any subspace $E\subset T_pM$, we have a minimal submanifold $\Sigma$ with $p\in \Sigma$ and $T_p\Sigma = E$ (therefore $\dim \Sigma = \dim E$).

I know that if we consider "totally geodesic" instead of "minimal", the ambient manifold is of constant sectional curvature.
 
 
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9:23 PM
@Ders This is an interesting question, and my original thought was that I had absolutely no idea. But here's one example. Consider $\Bbb CP^2$ with its usual Kähler metric of constant holomorphic sectional curvature $4$. Any smooth complex curve is a minimal $2$-dimensional submanifold. And there are minimal $3$-spheres anywhere you want. See this, for example. I expect you can play similar games with $\Bbb CP^n$ with higher $n$.
 
@TedShifrin heya Ted
what are the prerequisites for differential geometry in your opinion ?
i saw you wrote a book about that
am planning to do some self reading during the summer ,ideally about diff geo and topology
 
9:53 PM
Hi @Jack
My book is undergraduate level, not graduate, so a good multivariable calculus class and linear algebra through eigenvalues/eigenvectors.
 
@robjohn or anyone else who knows a solution to the number of regions in a konnected graph inscribed in a circle problem: is splitting the graph into overlapping planar graphs likely tto be a profitable move to explore? Or would i best be served by following a brute force geometric approach of counting intersections?
 
@AndrewMicallef I have never tried looking at overlapping planar graphs. I don't see what is so "brute force" about counting the intersections.
 
@TedShifrin Thank you for your comment
 
In what setting did you think of this question, @Ders?
 
So I worked through this pdf

$\sqrt{\frac{2}{\pi}} e^{\left({-\frac{1}{2}(x-\theta)}^2\right)}, \theta > x, \theta \in \mathbb{R}$

from a post on the cross-validated stack exchange website to confirm what the MLE is and to find the MOM estimator of $\theta$. I found it to be $\bar{x}$. However, the confirmed answer on the post says that the estimator is $x_{1}$. Is this jsut because $\theta > x$?
 
10:08 PM
Our statistics expert is absent.
 
Ahhh no worries.
 
@TedShifrin Pretty out of nowhere. I was attending to a course and the lecturer commented the result for the totally geodesic hypothesis and then it came to me "what if minimal instead?"
 
Well, kudos to you for asking a non-obvious question. I don't know the ultimate answer, but I'll ask one of my friends. Have you worked the exercise to prove the totally geodesic result? I assigned that last time I taught graduate differential geometry. ...
My friend just answered. He thinks it's true if you allow your minimal submanifolds to be suitably small with boundary, but surely false if you require closed submanifolds. He thinks it's false even for minimal surfaces (with arbitrary tangent plane) in a general $3$-dimensional manifold.
 
@TedShifrin I see thank you Ted, that might be a good start for me, I don't know much about that topic, weak in analysis
 
@Jack Which topic?
 
10:23 PM
what book would you recommend otherwise for graduate level?
multivariable analysis
 
just calculus would be fine if multivar.
 
been a long time since i took that
 
for ted's book, anyway.
 
I remember some topics but i need a review for sure
stokes and green formulas
 
Oh, you definitely need to learn multivariable analysis before you do serious manifolds ... get to work on my other book! :) Then read Guillemin & Pollack Differential Topology before going to abstract manifolds.
 
10:24 PM
I remember roughly what they say but i would not be able to use them without review
 
For my undergrad text, you just need partial derivatives, directional derivatives, gradients, etc. And Green's Theorem gets used a few places.
 
I see thank you ! should i follow your lectures?
 
ted can correct me but i think a lot of the delta between single variable calc and undergrad level differential geometry is getting comfortable with doing calculus-like things with more than one variable at the same time.
 
My lectures are for the multivariable analysis/linear algebra course. Sadly, the crew of undergrads got pooped and didn't want to record the diff geo lectures my last semester.
 
my linear algebra is fine, i notice you mixed the topics together
oh shame !
 
10:25 PM
Right. You can skip the linear algebra if you know it. Some bits and pieces might be new.
 
anyway ill manage i think with a good book and focused mind :)
 
But for the undergrad diff geo, you don't need to be super fancy, although the exercises range from boring to quite challenging.
 
that is good for self leaners
 
I'm proud of some of the exercises; they're literally nowhere else, so far as I know.
 
then I know who to ask if get stuck :D
 
10:27 PM
very rare in differential geometry books. multivar books often steal the "standard" exercises too.
 
which most likely be the case haha
 
All calculus books steal unabashedly. Having said that, I stole a few of my favorites from Apostol and put them in Spivak's Calculus. I have some unique exercises in my multivariable math book, too. But most appear somewhere or other.
This is why I think that exercises determine whether a book is really good or not, although a horridly written text won't be saved by exhilarating exercises.
@Jack: You should ask Leslie. He's bragging that he's becoming a geometer.
 
i could probably handle some of the very low dimensional stuff.
 
And who is this Leslie ?
ah there you are !
 
i have all of my homework from my classes in a box in my garage. some of it even in tex on my computer. i may just paste in from that.
 
10:30 PM
Be careful with plagiarizing.
 
one last question before i leave, how would these topics go together, diff geo , topology , diff topology and algebraic geometry
graduate level all of them
i took some algebra, galois theory , number theory etcf
 
That's a lot of challenging mathematics.
 
but never geometry topics
this is a plan for upcoming years, but need to start somewhere
 
For algebraic geometry, you need a lot of commutative algebra (beyond standard grad algebra), and it doesn't hurt so have learned some Riemann surfaces/algebraic curves first. Just as it doesn't hurt to learn undergrad diff geo before you get to the abstract graduate stuff.
 
is there a dependence in topics?
I see
 
10:32 PM
Too many people do abstract mathematics without having a command of concrete basics and examples.
 
A course on Dynamical systems really tied together a lot of the geometry for me. In particular, Hamiltonian systems. I'm still not sure if it would have been better to do dynamics before the diff. geo / riemann surfaces or not but something to think about.
 
yeah ,id be one of those
also , it is very rare that the university mention those dependence of topics
 
Dynamical systems is a lot of analysis and basic topology, but beautiful stuff.
 
i took number theory before galois for example
that was a mistake
 
Not really. UGA taught undergrad number theory just assuming you knew modular arithmetic and basics of rings. You don't need Galois theory at the undergraduate introductory level.
 
10:34 PM
@TedShifrin I'm shocked you'd call me out like that
 
If the foo shits ...
 
we don't have undergrad NT
just straight to graduate
 
Well, then you need a lot of algebra (or a lot of complex analysis).
 
if you ask the prof about prerequisites, only complex analysis
but then you find out a lot more, like galois theory
the NT course i took was both algebraic and analytic
so indeed i did need both
first half algebraic then analytic
 
Number theory at the graduate level is a lot like algebraic geometry. You need a fair amount of commutative algebra.
 
10:36 PM
miles reid was enough for me
but might consider taking extra course if needed
 
Well, if you're going on in mathematics, you definitely need to learn multivariable analysis, derivative as a linear map, inverse and implicit function theorems, etc.
 
in any case ! thank you Ted , and see you in another day ! stay safe :)
 
Take care.
 
I ll do my best on those! :) thanks bye
 
say @Ted, if I ask you what the right notion of a higher derivative of a function M->R on a smooth manifold is, what do you answer?
 
10:43 PM
There isn't one.
At a critical point, the second derivative has intrinsic meaning.
 
what do you not like about the induced map TTM->TTR?
 
You can do jet bundles, of course, but that's not coordinate-independent.
 
not sure what you mean, the jet bundle doesn't depend on coordinates
I actually like the jet bundle perspective a lot, but my issue at the moment is that I can't figure out the relationship between the jet bundles and taking differentials on the iterated tangent bundles
 
The only way to sort it out is to do it in coordinates, I think. But I'm disappearing, luckily.
 
I've been trying my hardest to not write down coordinates on iterated tangent bundles
feels like I'd wind up in an asylum
 
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