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5:16 PM
Duality? It's a notational shortcut which often misleads and confuses people.
@CharlieShuffler Yes. Write either $\cos x \approx 1- x^2/2$ or $\cos x = 1 - x^2/2 + O(x^4)$.
 
5:39 PM
@TedShifrin hey Ted!
 
Hi Stan.
 
@TedShifrin so I started reading chapter 4 last night. Should I do all the problems in Chapter 4,5,6 or do u have a list of recommended problems?
 
No, it's chapter 3 that is essential. Chapter 4 is all linear algebra, except for the last section.
It's the last section where the implicit function theorem enters for the first time.
 
Oh ok sorry I misread that then
Ah ok so chapter 3 is the one I need to emphasize.
 
I didn't say chapter 5. That's max/min stuff.
3, last section of 4, and then 6 (which is very heavy going). Definitely need inverse/implicit function theorems (but not proofs) and then the introduction to manifolds.
 
5:45 PM
Ok great. Then I will start with that. np
I'm really trying to make this summer count to raise my math ability
got a lot of applied stuff i want to do in the next year
but i will struggle without a solid foundation in math
to support me through it
@TedShifrin by the end of the summer, i want the math skills to be able to read all the robotics literature i want
and the linear algebra skills so i don't get confused in class anymore
 
Well, those are lofty goals.
 
:) that's the kind i tend to go for
alright bbl. gonna go read and put in the time. talk soon
 
bubye
 
6:34 PM
@TedShifrin Okay, I wasn't sure if they were treated as numbers, like how differential operators are treated as polynomials.
 
@TedShifrin $\cos(x) \approx 1 - x^2/2 + O(x^4)$
 
That is a sloppy statement, too, @user10478,
You can consider differential operators $P(D)$ where $D$ is a differential operator and $P$ is a polynomial, but the differential operators are not polynomials.
Thanks, @ A.
 
Isn't $P(D)$ also a differential operator?
 
I just said that :P
Just throwing around glib statements isn't productive, though.
 
I see, so what is the difference between $P$ and $P(D)$?
 
6:38 PM
$P$ is a polynomial function, presumably with usual indeterminate variable $x$ or something. It has coefficients in some field or ring ...
 
Let $\Omega \subset \Bbb R^n$ be an open domain. You can let a polynomial ring $\Bbb R[\partial_1, \cdots, \partial_n]$ on $n$ formal indeterminates (with suggestive notation) act on $C^\infty(\Omega)$ by defining $\partial_i \cdot f = \partial f/\partial x_i$. This is the connection you're looking for, and what Ted mentioned is a special case.
 
Okay, and once you plug a differential operator in for $x$, you no longer want to call it a polynomial?
 
Right.
 
@BalarkaSen I don't think I know those words :P
 
Fair enough, then ignore what I said
 
6:43 PM
It's true, in general, that if you have a linear transformation $T\colon V\to V$, then you can consider its powers (under composition), and then for any polynomial $P$ (with coefficients in the field over which $V$ is a vector space) $P(T)$ will be another linear transformation. But we never think of this as a polynomial. We think of it as a linear transformation. That's the context of your differential operator thing.
 
Hello, in a paper there is this inequality that is used without any explanation $\frac{1-\frac{\lambda}{\mu}}{(1+\sqrt{\frac{\lambda}{\mu}})^2}$$
$$\leq\tanh{\frac{\Delta}{4}}$ assuming that $\Delta \geq 0$ and
$\ln (\frac{\mu}{\lambda})\leq\Delta$ Do you know where it comes from?
 
First of all, get rid of some of the letters. So we have $1/x \le e^{\Delta}$ and we're looking at $\dfrac{1-x}{(1+\sqrt x)^2}$?
Hint: $1-x = (1-\sqrt x)(1+\sqrt x)$.
 
yes
thanks i'll try with that
 
@TedShifrin Okay, I get what you're saying, although I'm fairly sure I've been told $P(T)$ can be thought of as a polynomial. Perhaps this is in the same category of simplification as "multiplying by $dx$" to solve a separable ODE?
 
You keep bringing in "analogy" after "analogy." I'm tired of the game.
I'm going to say people sometimes say sloppy things and students often remember things even more sloppily than they were said.
 
6:50 PM
gotcha
 
It's important to understand what things actually mean.
Thinking of equivalence classes in modular arithmetic as the same as actual integers is a BIG mistake.
 
okay, thanks
 
@Balarka: I dunno if you're interested, but this was a new one on me. Do that without moving frames :P
 
Huh bizarre
 
I'd never heard of that result.
 
6:57 PM
I have little to no experience with minimal surfaces to be honest
 
Although perhaps it's related somehow to the Riemann surface structure on minimal surfaces.
You should work out how the Gauss map gives a holomorphic mapping to $\Bbb CP^1$ (more generally, to $\Bbb CP^{n-1}$ for surfaces in $\Bbb R^n$).
 
Oh ok I did not know that
 
why is diagram chasing so much fun
 
what were you doing?
 
just learning the basics of homological algebra
 
7:14 PM
what are you doing man
 
just working through my algebra lecture
nothing suspicious
 
7:34 PM
What is the most general setting in which rank-nullity theorem holds?
It holds for finitely-gen free modules, right?
 
it holds for all modules in terms of length
 
it holds for ranks as well
rank of a module over an integral domain is just rank of the vector space upon basechanging to the fraction field of the ring
 
what's the rank of a non-free module
 
the fraction field is a flat module over the ring, so tensoring with it is exact
see above
 
what if we're talking non-integral domains
 
7:41 PM
then nobody cares
 
I wish I could give a good reason to care
 
you cant because youre a nobody
the fact that you care is a tautology
 
maybe asking for the most-general setting was a bad idea.
well... it holds for the case I care about right now.
is the functor (from R-Mod to F-Vect) that changes the base-integral domain R to its fraction field F exact?
 
yeah
the functor is exactly M -> M o Frac(R) = M_{(0)}, localization at the zero ideal
localization is an exact functor
 
cool.
 
7:50 PM
@Thorgott length of a module is a weird concept, why is it as useful
its like height of an ideal when the module is an ideal, but doing it for modules seems weird to me
height is geometric because its the dimension of the algebraic variety represented by the ideal (over a poly ring)
 
cause it's compatible with SESs, maybe
 
yeah thats a nice property but still so weird
 
it's the natural generalization of vector space dimension, I'd say
 
Hmm yeah I see what you mean
 
actually, looking at lengths should give a straightforward proof of $R^n\cong R^m\Leftrightarrow n=m$
without all the tensoring jazz
 
7:59 PM
well, it's the same as rank for free modules, so
there must be some insightful example where length is more useful
 
the length of $R^n$ is $n\cdot\mathrm{length}(R)$ by induction, since we have a SES $0\rightarrow R\rightarrow R^n\rightarrow R^{n-1}\rightarrow 0$ and length is an isomorphism invariant, so $R^n\cong R^m$ implies $n=m$
that's much nicer than tensoring with a residue field, is it not
 
i dunno why
 
cause tensoring = bad
 
im convinced
 
apparently length plays a role in intersection theory
 
8:07 PM
Hm yeah that would make sense
I imagine (x, y) as a C[x, y]-module as a stick over the origin in C^2. (x) and (y) are continuum of sticks over the x-axis and the y-axis respectively.
If you intersect the pictures for (x) and (y) you get the picture for (x, y)
So this seems like a manifestation of the two sequence (0) in (x) in (x, y) and (0) in (y) in (x, y)
which attains the length, 2
 
8:36 PM
in barycentric subdivision lemma ($C_n(A+B) \to C_n(A\cup B)$ is a quasi-iso), why do we need interiors to cover the space, why isn't covering by the sets themselves good enough?
so vick says, $S^1 = x \cup (S^1 -x)$ should give a problem
 
Take a very wiggly embedded x-axis in R^2. A be the upper half, B be the lower half. Take a 2-simplex which cuts through the wiggly curve
How do you subdivide finitely many times so that each piece is a simplex in either A or B?
 
"very wiggly" = an infinite number of wiggles :P
 
something like sin(1/x)?
 
Even with finitely many wiggles, how do you subdivide a 2-simplex with a parabola running over the middle so that each piece is a simplex and belongs to either the top or bottom of the parabola? There is not a linear way to do it.
When I mean a 2-simplex I really mean a geometric 2-simplex
You can't say "oh we include the wiggly curve as an edge in my subdivision" because that's not an invariant construction; barycentric subdivision is a linear thing
 
I see. Suppose you included your parabola in the upper half. Then the lower half of the simplex cannot be a singular simplex because its not compact, right?
 
8:45 PM
No you should not include the parabola in the upper half at all, that's a horrible thought, because you're taking advantage of my nice curve
That's not a construction, it's some ad hoc thing
My separating set (boundary of A and B) can be batshit wild
 
I mean you gotta include the parabola somewhere right? Otherwise the sets dont cover my space.
oh no. I thought the parabola was the separating cset.
 
In this example, yeah. A = closure of inside of parabola, B = closure of outside of parabola
Simplex D is situated in a way that the parabola cuts through it's middle
There is no finite barycentric subdivision D' of D such that each simplex in D' is either in A or in B
Agree?
 
So you're including parabola in both A and B?
 
yes
 
Agreed.
 
8:52 PM
Yeah so thats the problem
If you have an open cover this shit doesnt happen
This is also why people use Borel-Moore homology by the way. You can subdivide D infinitely such that each piece lies in A or B
Borel-Moore chains have nice restriction maps $C(X) \to C(U)$ for any open subset $U$ of $X$. Just intersect a simplex in $X$ with $U$ and subdivide like mad
aka Borel-Moore chains are a sheaf
Its a nuts idea but gives a good theory
 
I will read this someday.
 
hi i neede help on a question:For the set of whole numbers from 1 to 20 inclusive,Tammy knows that some numbers are odd .She is going to write each number on a different ball and place the balls in a box. If one ball is randomly selected from the box,what is the probability,to the nearest tenth,that the number written on it is divisible by 5 or is an odd number?
 
9:20 PM
"Tammy knows that some numbers are odd"
I don't understand how that is relevant
 
9:57 PM
I am thinking a bit baout negation.
Phenomenon $A$ occurs if there does not exist integers $p \geq -1$ and $q \geq -1$ with $p+q \geq 1$ for whcih $\lambda^p \sigma^q = 1$
So the negation
Phenomenon $A$ does not occur if there exist integers $p \geq -1$ or $q \geq -1$ with $p+q \geq 1$ for which $\lambda^p \sigma^q = 1$?
or should I write $\lambda^p \sigma^q \neq 1$
 
Oy ... you're getting worse.
What's the negation of "There does not exist A."
 
There exist A
?
 
Yes, of course. The original sentence had a negation in it.
 
Yes
The negation of "there does not exist integers"
there exist integers
 
The point is that the original sentence was a negation of a sentence with qualifiers in it. Negating that whole thing just removes the negation. This is not like negating a positive sentence with quantifiers, where you think about what it means for "for every blah, something happens" to fail.
 
10:08 PM
i like how the phenomenon that allegedly occurs is unspecified but the sufficient condition for it to happen is so detailed
 
LOL
 
$p, q, p+q, \lambda, \sigma$ goddamn
 
It's all to trap you.
 
@TedShifrin hmm I seee'
But I am confused
 
If I say "There does not exist $x$ satisfying $f(x)=3$," what is the negation?
 
10:12 PM
So I need to change there exist integers and no change after that
 
Yes, correct.
This is why you have to think about what sentences say and not blindly apply "negate and change quantifier" rules.
Language is often the harder part of mathematics.
 
hmm.. there exist $x$ satisfying $f(x) = 3$
 
Right, yes, of course.
 
@TedShifrin Beats me, I always write mathematics in terms of $\wedge, \vee, \exists, \forall, \neg$
 
Yes, of course you do.
 
10:20 PM
in my first year we had a weird non-credit class called writing of mathematics and the professor assigned some ridiculous negation exercises, like youd have to negative "$f$ is uniformly continuous" or something but all the $\varepsilon$'s and $\delta$'s were switched
it was a horror
 
Yes. One of my least favorite problems in Spivak's Calculus is a multi-part problem with the $\delta$-$\epsilon$ definition jumbled every possible way.
I never assigned it.
 
Hahah
yeah i think the prof assigned some of those actually
asking "does it mean $f$ is continuous?" every time
 
One of my colleagues at UGA used to talk about a professor before my time who asked his students to compute $dx/df$ every time he taught Calc I.
 
$\exists\delta>0\forall\varepsilon>0\exists x,y\in\mathbb{R}\colon|x-y|<\varepsilon\land|f(x)-f(y)|\ge\delta$
 
lmao
 
10:23 PM
Symbolic sentences like this must be what make you an algebraist.
 
it's a good exercise to keep in mind that the meaning of symbols is always relative
 
My aunts and uncles never used symbols.
 
I recently had students ask what a $q$-norm is, because they only defined $p$-norms in lecture
 
Of course, I didn't have very many aunts or uncles.
 
$m,n$ are integers then the only solution to $(-1)^m (0.7)^{m-n} - 1 = 0$ I think is $m = n = $ any even integer
 
10:25 PM
this makes me wonder what a categorical characterization of uniform continuity looks like :)
 
Thorgott
Out
 
Outer automorphism group of what?
 
See, Balarka, you should appreciate my moving frames junk :P
 
i do, i think its an extremely powerful way to compute which i have yet to master
 
I just meant that, as far as symbols go, there's some geometry in those :P
 
10:27 PM
ah fair yeah i agree
 
I am annoyed that I couldn't write this one down immediately.
Not à propos of moving frames.
 
I am Venom
 
You're an asp, Baymax?
 
Haha
I am healthcare companion
So i think
5 mins ago, by BAYMAX
$m,n$ are integers then the only solution to $(-1)^m (0.7)^{m-n} - 1 = 0$ I think is $m = n = $ any even integer
is correct!! am happy!
 
@TedShifrin tricky
 
10:35 PM
I don't like working with the gradient, although it would allow me to work partly with $dW$. But I don't have a nice solution.
 
g(grad f, grad f) is the directional derivative of f along the direction of steepest ascent of f, so i guess it makes sense that this guy is constant given the directions of steepest ascent are acceleration zero?
There must be some nice way. ||grad f||^2 is like energy of the function f : M -> R at a point, and if g : I -> M are integral curves of grad f, g' = grad f, so ||g'||^2 is also energy of the flowlines at a point. Being a geodesic means energy minimizing...
 
But the acceleration $0$ only works on a given integral curve.
I think one wants to take (locally) parallel vector fields orthogonal to $X$.
 
10:51 PM
find a maximum $m$ of ||grad f||^2 on M and draw a tiny flowline of length $\varepsilon$ of grad f passing through that point. it's energy is like $m \varepsilon$
 
Who says there's a max?
 
take a compact set and take a maximum; we want to show it's constant
but i dunno this is getting fidgety
there must be some intuitive energy reason
bizarre
@TedShifrin I might be sleepy but I don't actually get Travis Willse's hint. You have to prove g(N_Y X, X) = 0 for all Y, how do you do this?
 
11:10 PM
sanity check: if $R$ is a commutative ring, $M$ a $R$-module and $\mathfrak{m}\subset R$ an ideal, then a generating set for $M/\mathfrak{m}M$ as $R$-module is the same thing as a generating set for $M/\mathfrak{m}M$ as $R/\mathfrak{m}$-module, right? since $\mathfrak{m}$ annihilates $M/\mathfrak{m}M$
 
11:22 PM
Can anyone look at a discrete optimization problem with me?
I would be willing to teach what I know about the topic
 
11:48 PM
@TedShifrin Nevermind, figured it out. The map $X \mapsto \nabla_X \text{grad} f$ is self-adjoint, so $0 = \langle \nabla_{\text{grad} f} \text{grad} f, X \rangle = \langle \text{grad} f, \nabla_X \text{grad} f \rangle = \frac12 X \langle \text{grad} f, \text{grad} f \rangle$
Which does imply |grad f| is constant as this holds for all X
Weird but alright
The self-adjoincy is just <N_X grad f, Y> = X<grad f, Y> - <grad f, N_X Y> = XY(f) - (N_X Y)(f), and then observe that this is the same as YX(f) - (N_Y X)(f) by symmetry of the connection
Bizarre result. Gonna hit the bed
 
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