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1:21 AM
Do $\alpha: [0,2\pi]\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^2, \alpha(t) = (\cos(t), \sin(t))$ and $β:[0,4π]→\mathbb{R}^2,β(t)=(cos(t),sin(t))$ represent the same curve?
 
depends on how you define what that means
some texts define a curve as a continuous mapping from an interval into a topological space, other texts define a curve as the image of such a mapping
in the former case, these are not the same curve, in the latter case, they are
 
1:52 AM
Let $(X_n; n \geq 1)$ be a collection of independent positive identically distributed random variables, with density $f(x)$. They are inspected in order from $n = 1$. An observer conjectures that $X_1$ will be greater than all the subsequent $X_n, n \geq 2$. Show that this conjecture will be proved wrong with probability 1.
not sure how to start
 
 
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4:11 AM
Let $f : M \to N$ be a smooth map. Think of $C^\infty(M, N)$ as an infinite dimensional manifold; then $T_f C^\infty(M, N)$ is the space of sections of $f^* TN$ over $M$
 
 
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6:26 AM
@Simple i'd probably compute the probability for any finite collection and deduce the result
 
6:39 AM
@loch i will try that
 
7:10 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti Teach me Frechet spaces
 
@BalarkaSen is Homeo(R^4) homotopy equivalent to some finite manifolds
 
Hm, I don't know.
That's a good question
 
7:36 AM
Hey can I ask questions here?
 
7:48 AM
> Just ask; don't ask to ask.
 
@LeakyNun Ideas: It seems suspect that $\text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n)$ even has finite homological dimension for high $n$ to me. $H_k(\text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n))$ can be recovered as maps from $k$-stratifolds $X \to \text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n)$ upto $(k+1)$-stratifold cobordism.
A map $X \to \text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n)$ gives rise to a map $\Sigma X \to B\text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n)$ and since $X$ was a stratifold, so is $\Sigma X$. Cobordism classes of maps from $k$-stratifolds to $B\text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n)$ correspond to topological $n$-plane bundles on $k$-stratifold upto concordance, and we're asking if this is trivial for large $k$.
On the other hand, why should this be different for $\mathrm{Diffeo}(\Bbb R^n)$, which we know has homotopy type of a manifold, $O(n)$? For high $k$, is it easy to see rank $n$ vector bundles become trivial upto concordance over $k$-stratifolds?
Maybe this is because of stable triviality of vector bundles.
That has to be it
So we want examples of topological $n$-plane bundles which are not "stably trivial" - what would that mean?
$E \to X$ be a topological $n$-plane bundle. Define $E \oplus \Bbb R$ to be the topological $(n+1)$-plane bundle given by defining the transition functions $\varphi_{ij}' : U_{ij} \to \text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^{n+1})$ from the original transition functions $\varphi_{ij} : U_{ij} \to \text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n)$ by using the natural inclusion $\text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^n) \to \text{Homeo}(\Bbb R^{n+1})$, taking product of a self-homeo of $\Bbb R^n$ with the identity map on $\Bbb R$.
What's an example of a topological $n$-plane bundle which doesn't become trivial in this process? There has to be one
@LeakyNun You might find the top answer by Mike here useful, by the way. Gives examples of non-isomorphic vector bundles which are isomorphic as topological plane bundles.
I forgot I asked that question a long time ago lol
 
8:04 AM
heh
 
I should read the microbundles paper eventually
Also the stable triviality thing is garbage, there are vector bundles which are not stably trivial. There is always a complement, but that doesn't help; there are complements for topological plane bundles as well
 
That's Theorem 4.1 from the above paper
 
That is a question from my mock paper any ideas
I cannot even comphrened the beginning
@GuruVishnu You might wanna look into it
 
I have no clue how to see that rank $n$ vector bundles on $m$-manifolds are all equivalent upto concordance, if $m$ is very large.
Maybe I am confused
I suppose because you can "localize" the locus of nontriviality to some small subset of the manifold, which you can surger out and replace by something on which the bundle trivializes
Maybe
Not exactly sure where I should be using the property of being a vector bundle
 
8:22 AM
@BalarkaSen I don't know anything about them
I only ever did functional analysis of honest spaces (Banach)
 
8:35 AM
@BalarkaSen what is concordance?
 
$\pi_1 : E_1 \to B_1$ and $\pi_2 : E_2 \to B_2$ be rank $k$ bundles on $n$-manifolds. I call a concordance between them to be a rank $k$-bundle $\pi : E \to B$ where $B$ is a cobordism between $B_1$ and $B_2$ such that $\pi$ restricts to $\pi_1$ and $\pi_2$ on the two respective components of $\partial B = B_1 \sqcup B_2$
 
8:49 AM
Wait I am an idiot
The argument was: H_n(Homeo(k)) <=> Cobordism classes of maps from n-stratifolds to Homeo(k) <=> Cobordism classes of maps from (n+1)-stratifolds to BHomeo(k) <=> Concordance classes of k-plane bundles on (n+1)-stratifolds, therefore if Homeo(k) has finite homological dimension concordance classes of k-plane bundles on m-stratifolds should be trivial for large m
Ok nevermind I am not an idiot (yet). I just don't see why this story is different from H_n(Diffeo(k)) = H_n(O(k))
Someone should be able to see that. @MikeMiller?
yeah this is too hard for me I give up
 
9:16 AM
@BalarkaSen you can switch sides to become an algebraist :P
 
If $v \neq 0$ is $(A-\alpha I)$-cyclic, with period $r$, then $\{ v, (A-\alpha I)v, \dots, (A-\alpha I)^{r-1}v\}$ is linearly independent. My proof consists of repeatedly composing by $A^{r-1}$, $A^{r}$... My textbook however writes the linear dependence relation as $f(A-\alpha I)v=0$ where $f$ is a polynomial, and straight out talks about the greatest common divisor of $f(t)$ and $g(t)=t^r$.
I'm not much of an abstract algebra nor arithmetic person so please tell me why would you or anyone else think like this?
 
@FuzzyPixelz because I'm an abstract algebra and arithmetic person
 
$A$ is a linear map on a finite dimensional vector space $V$ over the complex numbers.
 
I mean, it is useful to see that a $k$-linear map $T: V \to V$ where $V$ is a vector space over $k$ defines a $k[t]$-module structure on $V$ by having $t$ act as $T$
then we're just taking the annihilator of $v$, which is an ideal in $k[t]$
and $k[t]$ is a Euclidean domain hence PID, so it makes sense to consider greatest common divisor
 
The fact that I don't know any of that makes me feel better actually
 
9:19 AM
Haha
 
@BalarkaSen how would you translate what I said above
because I have no idea how to
 
@FuzzyPixelz It makes sense to do that, though, right? Write a linear dependence relation of $(A - \alpha I)^i v$ out for $0 \leq i \leq r-1$, and cancel coefficients one by one.
 
hmm lemme attempt a translation
 
I would start with the last equation and apply $A - \alpha I$ to iteratively conclude every coefficient from the left is zero, instead of starting from the first and applying $(A - \alpha I)^{r-1}$ like you are doing
It's much easier (try it!)
@LeakyNun He doesn't need to know this right now, I think :)
 
@BalarkaSen well his question is "why would you or anyone else think like this"
i.e. what perspective makes this the natural thing to consider
 
9:23 AM
Well, this particular linear independence trash is a manipulation trick. You can put it in the $k[A]$-module wrapper, but it doesn't actually help too much
But it does give more context to the whole setup, I agree
 
so yeah
conclusion: go learn module theory
 
Oh that reminds me I do have to learn some algebra
 
lmao
 
Haha
 
what algebra
 
9:25 AM
All I see you doing all day everyday is algebra @BalarkaSen
@LeakyNun do you recommend any concise and detailed book?
 
@LeakyNun $f : (M, x) \to (N, y)$ be a germ of a smooth map, and let $A$ be a finitely generated $C^\infty_x(M)$-module. Then $A$ is a finitely generated $C^\infty_y(N)$-module if and only if $A/f^* \mathfrak{m}_y A$ is a finite dimensional vector space over $\Bbb R$.
This is called the Malgrange preparation theorem. Full algebra
"Malgrange" sounds like Lagrange gone wrong
 
@BalarkaSen I don't want to recommend Atiyah--Macdonald so which book did you use
 
@BalarkaSen it's the evil twin
 
Something relying on something else a finite dimensional vector space over a specific field is already too much for me to telerate
 
@LeakyNun Uhhh I dunno
 
9:29 AM
@FuzzyPixelz I've heard that Dummit and Foote is good but I haven't read it
 
Miles Reid
 
Dummit-Foote does the whole modules over PID story properly
 
ok then
 
@LeakyNun but he asked for concise :P
 
Alrighty, thanks.
@AlessandroCodenotti I hope
 
9:31 AM
@FuzzyPixelz concise isn't a good quality
 
That's fair, I think book doesn't look too bad :P
 
9:49 AM
@BalarkaSen when can I have kernel of vector bundle maps
 
Uh, always?
 
@BalarkaSen and get a vector bundle
I mean the rank doesn't need to be constant right
 
@LeakyNun Oh sure. You mean something like $f : \Bbb R^2 \to \Bbb R^2$, $f(x, y) = (x, xy)$.
 
precisely
 
Demand the rank to be locally constant, I guess.
That's the necessary and sufficient condition, of course
 
9:56 AM
then do I have local triviality?
 
Yes
Immediate
 
looks up the meaning of immediate
I don't see it
maybe I'm blind
so you're saying that if I have a map $f: X \times \Bbb R^m \to X \times \Bbb R^n$ with constant rank then $\ker f = X \times \ker f_p$ for a given $p \in X$
let's say $X$ is connected
where $=$ means "homeomorphic" or something similar
in words this means the kernel of a family of maps varies smoothly
so let's even say $m=2$ and $n=1$
then $f_p: \Bbb R^2 \to \Bbb R^1$ is taking dot product with some vector $v_p$
 
@LeakyNun No, the kernel need not be trivial even if the domain and range bundles are. Only locally trivial.
 
does $v_p$ vary smoothly?
@BalarkaSen do I need to use the fact that bundles on contractible spaces are trivial?
 
Take $TS^2$. $TS^2 \oplus \underline{\Bbb R} = \underline{\Bbb R}^3$, so $TS^2$ is kernel of a map $\underline{\Bbb R}^3 \to \underline{\Bbb R}$ of bundles of constant rank. Not globally trivial
No, dude, just do it locally
This is linear algebra
 
10:06 AM
@BalarkaSen I don't buy the concordance thing
 
@MikeMiller Hm I don't see what's precisely wrong
 
Isn't a concordance just a bundle over $X \times I$?
 
No sorry by concordance I meant a bundle over a cobordism
 
So you want to compute $\Omega_*(BO)$, right?
 
This shit, to be precise:
2 hours ago, by Balarka Sen
$\pi_1 : E_1 \to B_1$ and $\pi_2 : E_2 \to B_2$ be rank $k$ bundles on $n$-manifolds. I call a concordance between them to be a rank $k$-bundle $\pi : E \to B$ where $B$ is a cobordism between $B_1$ and $B_2$ such that $\pi$ restricts to $\pi_1$ and $\pi_2$ on the two respective components of $\partial B = B_1 \sqcup B_2$
Yeah
1 hour ago, by Balarka Sen
The argument was: H_n(Homeo(k)) <=> Cobordism classes of maps from n-stratifolds to Homeo(k) <=> Cobordism classes of maps from (n+1)-stratifolds to BHomeo(k) <=> Concordance classes of k-plane bundles on (n+1)-stratifolds, therefore if Homeo(k) has finite homological dimension concordance classes of k-plane bundles on m-stratifolds should be trivial for large m
 
10:15 AM
By Thom's theorem, for unoriented cobordism we have $\Omega_(X) = H_*(X;\Omega_)$
 
This was my line of thought
What i wanted to see was if Homeo(k) is homologically finite
 
Oh seems unlikely to me
 
Yeah but can't see why by my same line of thought Diffeo(k) is
Of course that can mean the line of thought is trashy
I don't know any other way to begin to try to prove Homeo(k) isn't homologically finite, which was my guess
 
I just don't know how you plan to check that it is homologically finite
Too hard
 
10:31 AM
In repeating confidence interval experiments, are we allowed to take samples of different size every time?
Because confidence interval of 95% means that if the sampling process is repeated infinite times, 95% of all the intervals obtained will have the parameter of interest.
So wrt this process of repeating infinite times - do we have to repeat with the same sample size?
 
I think I can reduce this to $\varphi: [0,1] \to \Bbb R^{n \times m}$ a constant-rank path, then we can define $\ker \varphi(0) \to \ker \varphi(1)$ by sending $v$ to...???
@BalarkaSen I must be blind
 
10:55 AM
@LeakyNun Let $\Sigma_r$ be the subset of rank $r$ matrices of $M_{m \times n}(\Bbb R)$. Any matrix in $\Sigma_r$ has a distinguished minor $A_{r \times r}$ which is invertible; repositioning $A$ to be the top-left block, break the rest of the elements into blocks $B_{r \times (n-r)}$, $C_{(m-r) \times r}$ and $D_{(m-r) \times (n-r)}$. Then you can show $D = C A^{-1} B$, in which case the kernel is everything of the form $(I_{r \times (n-r)} - A^{-1} B)v$ where $v \in \Bbb R^{n-r}$.
For any matrix $M \in \Sigma_r$ you can choose a neighborhood of $M$ in which the position of the block $A$ is the same, so $A, B, C, D$ are globally defined on that neighborhood
 
ok cool
 
So locally in $\Sigma_r$ you have parametrized your kernel, as required
Read my answer here for details
 
thanks
 
I never like this proof
 
In general if $E \to F$ is a bundle homomorphism of vector bundles, the kernel is something I would call a stratified bundle, i.e., you can find a stratification of the base manifold $M$ such that the kernel is locally trivial on each stratum
 
11:00 AM
makes sense
 
@MikeMiller Yeah you cooked up some proof of your own I recall
I think I just got used to this
@LeakyNun The annoying thing is that kernel of bundle homs escape the category of bundles and land into stratibundle but also kernel of stratibundle homs escape the category of stratibundles lol
It's a clusterfuck and Thom came up with the right condition to fix this
Thom, what a legend
Need to get back to reading singularity theory pray for me
 
@BalarkaSen so where does it land into?
 
some annoying shit man you dont want to land there
its like stratibundle but as you go to lower dimensional stratum in the base the fibers become larger rank
thats the wrong thing
you just change what "stratibundle hom" means
 
 
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12:37 PM
@Thorgott Okay I'm finally feeling like I have a better grasp of this! I was just writing up a summary to iron everything out and I was considering the example where f(x,y) = sinx/x over the unbounded rectangle where x goes from 0 to infinity and y goes from 0 to 1. Now the double integral of the absolute value of sinx/x over that region is infinite, so technically Fubini's theorem shouldn't work. And yet, reversing the order of integration doesn't matter - both iterated integrals give pi/2.
Is this one of those cases where you would need to consider HK integrability instead?
 
12:51 PM
The graph above is the numerators in the expansion of the Chebyshev function at n=4000
Clearly a pattern.
 
@Thorgott Hmm actually Wolfram can't actually calculate the double integral of the absolute value of sinx/x from x = 0 to infinity and y = 0 to 1, so I don't actually know if it's finite or not. :/
 
Suppose that I have a polynomial of large degree with integer coefficients which I know is a product of linear and irreducible quadratic factors. I'm looking for a procedure to factor such a polynomial. The linear factors can be separated using the rational root theorem, but is there any way to find the quadratic factors?
Additionally, all of the factors are monic, which should simplify this problem.
 
1:27 PM
@Thorgott Ok so I've now confirmed that the double integral of the absolute value of sinx/x from x = 0 to infinity and y = 0 to 1 does indeed diverge. So my earlier question still remains!
 
1:44 PM
From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas%E2%80%93Lehmer_primality_test#Time_complexity it is not obvious to me how first step leads to second
$= 110000_2 \mod{2^5−1}$
$= (10000_2 + 1_2) \mod{2^5−1}$
 
Hi all! Whats the difference between the Hilberts hotel chatroom and this one?
 
2:06 PM
Can anyone tell me the definition of derivative other than that limit one? I’m searching for something like series, can we write $f’(x)$ as a sum of $f(x)$ , $x$ or something like that
 
no
 
This follows from the definition of the derivative:$$-\frac{\zeta '(s)}{\zeta (s)}=\lim_{c\to 1} \, \left(\frac{\zeta (c) \zeta (s)}{\zeta (c+s-1)}-\zeta (c)\right)$$
Or so I was told by Lucia at mathoverflow.
 
any idea on the question I asked above? I'm writing up a question and can't think of a good title
 
2:30 PM
@MatsGranvik Is $\zeta$ some any normal function?
@LeakyNun Leaky if I have to prove something like “ Prove that there exists a $x \in (a,b) $ such that $f(x) = f’(x)$ “
 
what's the full question
 
Should I go for proof by contradiction?
@LeakyNun Let $f : [0,1] \rightarrow \mathbb R$ be a continuous function on its domain and differentialable on $(0,1)$ with the property that $ f(0) = f(1) =0$. Prove that $f(x) = f’(x) $ for some $x$ belonging to $(0,1)$
^ is the full question
 
That limit works for the zeta function because of the pole at c=1.
 
consider $g(x) := e^{-x} f(x)$ and use MVT
 
@MatsGranvik Thank you but I’m sorry my mathematical education has not reached that far.
@LeakyNun How should I go for the proof?
 
2:40 PM
@MatsGranvik lol what is this
 
Should I come up with a formula for $x$ such that $f(x) = f’(x) $ or should I go for contradiction?
 
I already told you
 
Okay I will try
 
@LeakyNun Do you mean that it is not because of the pole?
 
$$g’(x) = -e^{-x} f(x) + e^{-x} f’(x) \\ g’(c) = -e^{-c} f(c) $$
 
2:47 PM
@MatsGranvik I mean I've never seen that identity before
 
@Knight Are you looking to solve this problem without the MVT then?
 
@palindromicprime No, I thing Rolle’s Theorem would fit well. Which is just a form of MVT
@palindromicprime The main problem is that $f(x)=f’(x) $ is a mute thing
Writing it like $$ f(x) = \lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$ gives me nothing
 
3:04 PM
so apply Rolle's Theorem on $g$
 
@LeakyNun You mean $g’(c) =0$ ?
 
sure
 
20 mins ago, by Knight
$$g’(x) = -e^{-x} f(x) + e^{-x} f’(x) \\ g’(c) = -e^{-c} f(c) $$
That is $$ f(c) =0$$
Am I done?
😁
 
$$\frac{\sin '(s)}{\sin (s)}=\lim_{c\to 1} \, \left(\frac{\sin (s)}{\sin (\pi c) \sin (\pi c+s-\pi )}-\frac{1}{\sin (\pi c)}\right)$$
 
Well I think yes, beacuse $f’(c)=0$
 
3:12 PM
Let $g(x) = e^{-x} f(x)$ which yields $g(0) = e^{-0} f(0) = 0 = e^{-1}f(1)$. $g$ is also continuous on $[0,1]$ and differentiable on $(0,1)$, so Rolle's Theorem applies. Hence there exists an $x \in (0,1)$ such that $g'(0) = 0$. This implies that $-e^{-x} f(x) + e^{-x} f'(x) = 0 \implies e^{-x} (f'(x) - f(x)) = 0$ and since $e^{-x} \neq 0$ for all $x \in \mathbb{R}$ then $f'(x) - f(x) = 0 \implies f'(x) = f(x)$ for that choice of $x$.
 
@palindromicprime How you people came up with such a great choice of $g(x)$ ? :-)
 
Ask yourself, for what choice of $f(x)$ is $f(x) = f'(x)$ true for all $x \in (0,1)$. Then a simple modification of that yields the answer naturally
:53996159 He was trying to prove a lemma
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Q: Contour Integral involving Zeta function

palindromicprimeI'm trying to compute the contour integral $$\frac{1}{2 \pi i} \int_{c - i \infty}^{c + i \infty} \zeta^2(\omega) \frac{8^\omega}{\omega} \ d \omega$$ where $c > 1$, $\zeta(s)$ is the Riemann zeta function. Using Perron's Formula and defining $D(x) = \sum_{k \leq x} \sigma_0(n)$, where $\sigma_0...

I was wondering if anyone here could shed a light on this?
 
3:27 PM
@MatsGranvik I couldn’t see what you removed, may you please re post it?
 
@Knight I was wondering if you had a particular function in mind, or just a function $f(x)$ in general?
 
@MatsGranvik Just $f(x)$
 
3:51 PM
@MatsGranvik I couldn’t see what you removed :-) please re-post it.
 
Let $x=p$ be a pole of $f(x)$.
Show that:

$$-\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}=\lim_{c\to 1} \, \left(\frac{f(x) f(c p)}{f(c p-p+x)}-f(c p)\right)$$

Let $x=r$ be a root of $f(x)$.
Show that:

$$\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}=\lim_{c\to 1} \, \left(\frac{f(x)}{f(c r) f(c r-r+x)}-\frac{1}{f(c r)}\right)$$
@Knight
 
What is pole?
@MatsGranvik
 
A singularity where the function takes the value infinity.
Like 1/0
Limit[1/(s-1),s->1]
 
Okay, then please explain that example if yours
 
With the zeta function?
This is how I found it:
$$\sum\limits_{k=1}^{\infty}\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{T(n,k)}{n^c \cdot k^s} = \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\lim\limits_{z \rightarrow s} \zeta(z)\sum\limits_{d|n} \frac{\mu(d)}{d^{(z-1)}}}{n^c} = \frac{\zeta(s) \cdot \zeta(c)}{\zeta(c + s - 1)}$$
 
4:01 PM
Okay
 
I know that the von Mangoldt function is:

$$\Lambda(n)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{T(n,k)}{k}$$

Then by subtracting the first column:

$$\frac {\zeta^\prime(s)}{\zeta(s)} = -\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{\Lambda(n)}{n^s}$$

$$-\frac{\zeta '(s)}{\zeta (s)}=\lim_{c\to 1} \, \left(\frac{\zeta (c) \zeta (s)}{\zeta (c+s-1)}-\zeta (c)\right)$$
 
Can it help me in solving my problem?
 
The only thing I have used those formulas for is to plot approximations of $$\frac {\zeta^\prime(s)}{\zeta(s)}$$ faster.
 
Wow
 
Correction:
$$\Lambda(n)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{T(n,k)}{k}$$
Had the wrong summation index.
 
4:05 PM
Yeah
 
 
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5:57 PM
$$\Lambda(n)=\lim\limits_{s \rightarrow 1} \zeta(s)\sum\limits_{d|n} \frac{\mu(d)}{d^{(s-1)}}$$

$$\mu(n) = \underset{n = 1}{1} - \underset{a = n}{\sum_{a \geq 2}} 1 + \underset{ab = n}{\sum_{a \geq 2} \sum_{b \geq 2}} 1 - \underset{abc = n}{\sum_{a \geq 2} \sum_{b \geq 2} \sum_{c \geq 2}} 1 + \underset{abcd = n}{\sum_{a \geq 2} \sum_{b \geq 2} \sum_{c \geq 2} \sum_{d \geq 2}} 1 - \cdots$$
 
 
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7:04 PM
@MikeMiller Consider the action of $\mathrm{Diff}(M) \times \mathrm{Diff}(N)$ on $C^\infty(M, N)$. If for a smooth map $f : M\to N$ the orbit of $f$ is open, we call $f$ structurally stable.
Thinking of everything as Frechet manifolds if necessary, take the derivative at identity of the map $\text{Diff}(M) \times \text{Diff}(N) \to C^\infty(M, N)$, $(g, h) \mapsto h \circ f \circ g$. The derivative is a map $\Gamma_M(TM) \times \Gamma_N(TN) = T_e(\text{Diff}(M) \times \text{Diff}(N)) \to T_f C^\infty(M, N) = \Gamma_M(f^* TN)$, which can be checked to be $(X, Y) \mapsto df(X) + Y \circ f$
If $f$ is stable, then for any 1-parameter variation $f_t$ of $f$, the section $s = \partial_t f_t$ of $f^*TN$ over $M$ can be written as $s = df(X) + Y \circ f$ for some vector fields $X, Y$ on $M, N$ respectively, because $f_t$ goes lies inside the orbit of $f$ for some time
The condition that $\Gamma_M(TM) \times \Gamma_N(TN) \to \Gamma_M(f^* TN)$, $(X, Y) \mapsto df(X) + Y \circ f$ is surjective is thus called infinitesimal stability. Stable maps are infinitisimally stable; the converse is true by a theorem of Mather.
 
I think you'll run into issues with 1-param subgroups in infinite dimensions
 
Guillemin-Golubitsky mentions if implicit function theorem was true for Frechet manifolds we'd have the converse immediately, but it's not true in Frechet manifolds
But aren't everything here Banach as well?
 
Wow, a Balarka, you're getting serious! Hi, Mike.
 
Hi
Why are these Banach?
 
That paper proves $C^k(M, N)$ is Banach. $\mathrm{Diff}(M)$ is an open subset of $C^k(M, M)$ so also Banach
 
7:15 PM
Wrong topology?
 
I guess he means $\text{Diff}^k(M)$
 
You have to control all derivatives.
Ohhh ....
 
But still I'm pretty sure there's an issue --- I don't think inversion is a smooth map
 
He wrote $C^\infty$.
 
@TedShifrin the author uses the compact open $C^k$ topology, which agrees with the weak Whitney thing, right?
 
7:17 PM
Without smooth, you're right, Mike.
 
oh yeah let's restrict to $C^k$ for some finite $k$
@MikeMiller Ah
 
Similar to how $C^k$ vector fields as derivations are impossible.
Hi skull.
 
I don't really know a good approach to this though, I would just tell you to read Kriegl-Michor
 
Smallest possible value for which (a!+1) /(b!+1) is an integer? a> b
 
7:20 PM
Oh no @MikeMiller
 
Just as a reference
 
I tried to read Kollar-Michor-Slovak once
I think the main result of that book was all natural transformation of bundle functors are Lie derivatives
:3
Michor is a scary man
 
yikes
I don't read these things
 
it was supposed to be a far reaching generalization of this theorem which caught my eye
 
I tried to find the correct statements about C^k mappings in the book but gave up
 
7:26 PM
Anyone know how to tackle this Smallest possible value for which (a!+1) /(b!+1) is an integer? a> b
 
When I do $\nabla \frac{1}{2} \vv{u} \cdot \vv{u}$ I only get out non-curl terms. I know there is curl terms, but why don't they show up this way ?
(how do I do vectors with MathJax?
 
@MikeMiller The author in the paper claims the case $k = \infty$ is dealt with in that book
So maybe it's Banach as well
 
It's definitely not Banach man
$C^\inf(\Bbb R)$ is not Banach
 
how do you prove stuff like that
 
It's Frechet (defined by the countable family of seminorms $C^k$)
 
7:28 PM
Yeah I learnt that from Guillemin-Golubitsky
 
I guess what I mean is it doesn't have the natural structure of a Banach space
I don't know enough about topological linear algebra to say it can't be one
 
Ah ok fair enough
 
Hi. With $k\in(0,1)$, Why it is true$L/(1-k)=L(1+k+k^{2}+\dots+k^{n-1})+Lk^{n}/(1-k)$?
 
@Odestheory12 It's a geometric series.
(or a binomial expansion, whichever way you wanna look at it)
 
@Odestheory12 any idea about my problem?
 
7:32 PM
Shouldnt it be $L/(1-k)=L(1+k+k^{2}+\dots+k^{n-1})+Lk^{n}$?
 
@mathsstudent Do you mean: what is the smallest integer of the form (a!+1)/(b!+1) where a>b are integers?
 
Do you see how to get his result in the $C^0$ case
 
@GaloisintheField yes
 
Yeah
That last term is wrong (and you should really include a summation sign with n going to infinity
 
I assume he uses the charts somehow to construct a map $M \to Sym^2(M)$, the space of unordered (distinct) pairs --- and further I guess one has that $m \not \in f(m)$.
How do we get the conclusion
 
7:35 PM
@mathsstudent Are a,b positive?
 
Ah its correct. My bad.
 
After possibly taking a double cover this is a map $M \to M \times M$
Write $U$ for a neighborhood of the diagonal $M \times M$ which deformation retracts to the diagonal; this should produce a map $M \to U \setminus \Delta$
 
So you get self-intersection of the diagonal is zero, maybe
Weird
 
@GaloisintheField do you have any idea?
 
7:39 PM
@mathsstudent Nothing immediately
 
Maybe you should be able to parse the proof idea as the codimension 1 foliation breaking the classifying map M -> BTOP(n) of the tangent microbundle as M -> BTOP(n-1) x BTOP(1), so the tangent microbundle is germinally equivalent to a rank n-1 microbundle direct sum a trivial rank 1 microbundle
Then taking a nonzero section of the trivial microbundle gives a perturbation of the diagonal in M x M which intersects the diagonal trivially
 
Yeah this seems right
I was trying to use microbundle ideas there
 
these classifying spaces of foliations are what these nutcases call Haefliger structures I think
thats what Thurston used to prove the smooth theorem
i dunno anything
 
I'm pretty sure the map he cooks up (if to $M \times M$ --- the co-orientable case) has first factor homotopic to the identity
So this is a map with no fixed points which is homotopic to the identity
 
7:46 PM
And you can be co-orientable after a double cover I imagine
 
@mathsstudent Have you found one smaller than 103?
 
I try to do some manipulation but not able to get anything @GaloisintheField
 
@mathsstudent Well (6!+1)(3!+1) = 103, so at least they exist
 
Cool you got 1
 
I'm not sure if that's the smallest though
What level of course is this for?
 
7:53 PM
Maybe we can use fact that last digit of a! +1 is 1 always
 
What does that mean sorry?
a is an integer right?
And 2!+1=3
 
I am not aware of the course , my friend gave it to me for try
For a>5 sorry for that
 
Do you know modular arithmetic though for example
Oh a>5
Well fortunately my a>5 above
 
No we can check case wise till 5 and then after may be it is not possible to get an integer
 
?
(6!+1)/(3!+1)=103, and a=6>5
 
7:57 PM
But this or may be if such number exist then it should be that denominator is too small compare to numerator
 
It's true though that there are no such integers for a<=5
 
Apart from (6,3)
 
8:10 PM
I guess you just want to go through, and for each k, consider the function (of b)

f_k(b) = ((b+k)!+1)/(b!+1).

Are these monotone increasing in b? How does each function behave as you increase k?
 
Is there an example of a ring $A$ such that there exists an nonzero element $n\in A$ that vanishes all other elements of $A$?
 
@WilliamSun Do you mean that $n\in A^\times$ and $nx=0$ for all $x\in A$?
 
By "vanishes" I mean that $an=0$ for all $a\in A$.
 
Are your rings unital? In that case take $a=1$
 
Existence of a nonzero $n$ is already good. It's better that $n$ has some additional properties if possible, thank you.
 
8:19 PM
And are they commutative?
 
Clearly A must be non-unital; and once we realize we allow non-unital algebras, this is easy: take any abelian group with standard addition and multiplication x*y = 0.
 
$A$ need not to be commutative or unital.
@MikeMiller Thank you.
The motivation for this question is as follows:
For a semigroup $(S,\cdot)$ and a subset $A\subset S$ we ask the sufficient and necessary condition for the quotient $S/A$ is well-defined as a semigroup, where here $S/A$ is taken to be the set of all left(or right) cosets of $A$ in $S$.
Of course when $A$ has the property that $sA=As$ for all $s\in S$ the quotient is well-defined as a semigroup.
 
Can I post what I think is a typo of my book?
or should I open a question
 
But I am looking for an example of such subset $A\in S$ which does not satisfy the property $sA=As$ but still make $S/A$ into a well-defined semigroup.
 
@Odestheory12 You can, but you may not get a response
I say give it a show. (I have to go though, so good luck!)
 
8:28 PM
If $g_{n}(t):=\dfrac{f(k^{n}t)-f(k^{n+1}t)}{k^{n}t}$ then is true that $\dfrac{f(t)-f(0)}{t}=g_{0}(t)+kg_{1}(t)+\dots+k^{n-1}g_{n}(t)+\dfrac{f(k^{n+1})-f(0)}{t}$? I think is not because this term: $\dfrac{f(t)-f(0)}{t}=g_{0}(t)+kg_{1}(t)+\dots+{\bf {k^{n-1}}g_{n}}(t)+\dfrac{f(k^{n+1})-f(0)}{t}$ should be $k^n$
I mean $k^{n-1}$ should be ${k^n}$
 
9:05 PM
Yes, @Odes, and there's another mistake as well.
 
Hey Ted!
 
Hi @Ted @Dami
 
Alessandro what's up
 
It is now confirmed that I will be able to do my PDEs exam via skype
So I'm studying for that
 
Not or now?
 
9:10 PM
now, sorry
 
9:33 PM
... Can someone point me to a proof of the existence of JNF that actually also explains how to obtain it :)
 
@VJ123 yes, it is HK-integrable (and not Lebesgue-integrable, even the iterated integral does not make sense as Lebesgue integral). anything that is improperly Riemann-integrable is also HK-integrable. in fact, there is a theorem called Hake's theorem which roughly states there is no such thing as an "improper HK integral" (in the sense that anything improperly HK-integrable is already HK-integrable).
 
@TedShifrin thanks. Yeah, there is a missing $t$ aswell. Thanks again.
 
Hi Demonic and Demonark!
@Fuzzy What proof do you have?
 
9:51 PM
First, it reduces to the case where $A$ is nilpotent (Primary Decomposition Th. and adding $\lambda Id$)
Then it follows by induction on the dimension of $V$, proving that there is always a basis of eigenvectors $\{v_1, \dots, v_n\}$ s.t. $Av_i$ is either $v_{i+1}$ or $0$
 
For induction it considers $\text{Im}A$
Which must be a proper basis of $V$, does this tell you enough @TedShifrin ?
 
there's more efficient ways, but doesn't that proof technically tell you how to obtain the JNF
 
@TedShifrin I want to prove that it is possible for a function which is continuous on $(a,b)$ that $$ \int_{c}^{d} f(x) dx = f(d)$$ That is the area under $f(x)$ between two points can be equal to the value of the function at the upper limit
 
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