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18:00
@geocalc33 my fave one was a functional analysis class.
Which was also the one I was the worst at. :P
nice personally I cannot wait to delve into the einstein field equations once I learn more geometry
Someone can give me hand in PDE? if needed a paid online session?
I don't know how geometry fits in with special relativity yet
Hi @anakhro
@newhere you can just ask :)
18:03
@geocalc33 I have this PDE
Hi @Knight ! How are you? What have you been up to
@BalarkaSen Did you see that Peter Woit has compiled a lightly edited version of the mathematically substantive comments on his blog post about the IUT papers? It is freaking 51 pages.
I got $c_1=x-y$ and $u=1-c_2e^{-x}$
What should be my next step
@geocalc33 have you looked at Baez & Munian?
@anakhro I looked into it a bit but didn't purchase it yet
it looks really interesting
18:12
@anakhro What kind of functional analysis class is that again?
@geocalc33 if you google the name of the book + "pdf" you might stumble across a pdf copy.
@AlessandroCodenotti it was all sorts of stuff. We started with interpolation of L^p spaces, did some Hahn-Banach stuff, Hilbert spaces, Fourier analysis, distributions, and the Sobolev inequality.
My favourite was the distribution stuff.
18:15
I don't know much about it
Basically how to define Sobolev spaces
I did an essay on Banach algebras, the Gel'fand transform, and the connection to the Fourier transform (abstract harmonic analysis), which is why you heard my exclamations the other day about that.
Makes sense, that's a really cool topic
@anakhro I’m doing bad, not able to perform well at mock tests
But doing good with actual Physics and Maths
It is. I wanted to fit the details of Gel'fand-Naimark in my essay but it was already 16 pages so I did a blurb + statement and called it a day. :P
@Knight what's not going well with the mock tests?
18:18
Yeah, Gel'fand-Naimark is a very neat theorem. Not sure if I ever actually saw a proof of it though
I only saw the proof in a class of one direction.
What do you mean one direction? Isn't it a statement about an equivalence of categories?
Gel'fand transform is an isometric *-isomorphism if and only if the algebra is C*?
@anakhro I can solve only 4 maths question in about 50 minutes.
Ahh, I thought you referred to the statement that the category of commutative C* algebras is equivalent to the category of compact Hausdorff spaces
18:21
We need to solve at least 10 of them correctly
howdy @Tobias, @anakhro, demonic @Alessandro, @Knight
@TobiasKildetoft you want unital commutative
@AlessandroCodenotti Right
@TedShifrin Hi
Hello Ted
Otherwise you get locally compact Hausdorff but then you need to fix the morphisms iirc, it gets a little less nice
hi @Ted
18:22
@TobiasKildetoft they might be the same?
@anakhro Very possible
I know very little about the topic
I mainly know that theorem because it is part of the motivation behind the definition of compact quantum groups
They are strictly related, the functor from unital commutative C*-algebras to compact hausdorff spaces is given by taking the spectrum $\hat{A}$, while in the opposite direction you take the algebra $C_0(X)$ of functions vanishing at infinity
and I do know a little bit about quantum groups (though only the Drinfeld-Jimbo ones)
The result anakhro is talking about is that $A\cong C_0(\hat{A})$
@AlessandroCodenotti Ahh, I see
18:24
I only know a little about crystals in relation to quantum algebras.
@TedShifrin Can you tell me some anecdotes about your school days? Something which can inspire me
The tiniest bit
@newhere this problem looks a bit weird: if I use the method of characteristics, then i don't see how to construct a solution for y>x
I can't remember that far back!
one would need to have another boundary condition for u(0,y) to fix that as far as I can tell
18:26
@TobiasKildetoft Oh damn I didn't know
I do remember my physics teacher in high school getting mad at me because he couldn't understand what was going on and I tried to help the class by explaining things to them. And I ended up teaching the last month or two of the calculus class (the teacher didn't know it at all) after I took the AP test. And I remember having a history teacher — senior year, finally — whom I really liked; he also taught me drivers ed and I remember teasing him because he was so great.
Dedicated to Ted, Anakhro and Semiclassical: “Sublight, moonlight and star light all at once”
@BalarkaSen And after that, I am not really sure if Scholze and Dupuy really got any closer to agreeing on anything
hi @Sha
@Knight how long have you been practicing problems for the mock tests?
18:28
olas @TedShifrin
@anakhro I know whole syllabus that comes in test. I’m good at syllabus
But how many problems are you doing, @Knight?
@TedShifrin You were so great in studies, ha? Wow! You taught the teacher
@anakhro Less problems, more the concepts and thinking. I generally focus on Theoretical topics
One can know all the theorems and definitions but still suck at tests because they have not done any problems.
You need to do lots of problems.
@MikeMiller or @BalarkaSen from our discurssion earlier today: I fail to show that we can always find a chart that is divided into two opens (that are connected). would you mind helping me through it?
18:30
You do not know the subject until you can do problems.
I have solved almost all the problems of my textbook
@Knight find another set of problems and do those.
I do not understand the question, Sha.
@Semiclassical I’m working on that problem, I have almost solved it but just stuck a little bit in somewhere
nice
i did end up finding a nicer lagrangian mech solution, one which is not quite so horrid
18:32
@MikeMiller we had our jordan curve right, which divided the plane into two opens, say $U$ van $V$ (along with itself as a boundary). now if I take a point $p$ on the curve, I would like to find a neighbourhood around $p$ that is divided again into two connected opens
@anakhro Yes, but the nature of test is quite weird. Actually, I don’t like any kind of tests, because the other man is checking me by his way of thinking
Why?
That's not the argument we presented.
@Semiclassical I don’t know Langrangian :-)
but that is what I used to argue that one part was mapped to one half of the plane, and the other to the other half
that said, I'm not sure I trust my solution. there's a factor of 2 at the end which I'm not sure I understand
18:33
I was using connectedness
yeah, it's definitely not a good elementary solution
but good as a check on an elementary solution
Instead of coming up with a different chart (?), let's understand the details on the one we constructed.
@Semiclassical Can I ask the about the place where I stuck
@Knight you will be successful with the test when you are successful with doing lots exercises.
I didn't necessarily want to find a different chart, but I thought I needed to make our original slice chart possibly smaller to achieve this connectedness
18:34
@anakhro Okay! I will follow your words
Oh. That's just compactness.
If $U$ is your open subset of the plane you map to $\Bbb R^2$ by your chart, and $C$ is your curve, then $U \cap C$ is closed.
this is the picture I have in mind btw
Thus the image $\varphi(U \cap C)$ in $\Bbb R^2$ is closed, where $\varphi$ takes the part of the curve near $C$ to $\Bbb R \times 0$.
oh hmm
now that I think of it, my picture isn't possible I think, because then the image of the curve would not be connected
(which it is in the slice chart)
Now used closedness to see that a smaller ball in the codomain only intersects $\varphi(U \cap C)$ in that line $\Bbb R$.
@ShaVuklia Nobody said that. Read the statement of the local immersion theorem again, or whatever it's called.
18:38
oh wait, you're right
You can have immersions with dense image. The image just won't be closed, which is why this argument fails.
In any ball around $p$ the curve can go in and out finitely many times. Just shrink the ball so you miss those all
Miss me with that shit
(This is an informal way to say what Mike is saying and should not be written down as a proof in an exam, or an assignment, say)
ugh, I'm still trying to figure out what Mike is saying x)
Lucky for me, I'm not trying to figure out what anyone is saying.
Surely you see in your picture that all the other pieces --- the bottom-left, the bottom, the bottom-right --- have some positive distance from P
Use a ball of radius smaller than those distances
18:47
uhm, for that I would first have to show that there are finitely many to begin with.
which sure is easy to see, but my brain has stopped working it seems xd
I'm gonna start a math company
@TedShifrin Gryflompkin yttribus uhnger dredgeries?
@Balarka @Alessandro @MikeM Check this if you want a laugh.
There don't need to be finitely many, but there will be a constant so that all the other curves have distance >c from your point
Again, you need to use that it's a closed set
I'll let you think about it
That notation
18:49
Lmfao
And then he starts using $\gamma^t$
Beautiful
@BalarkaSen Which depends on a choice of $\epsilon$
@Alessandro @Balarka: I couldn't not make my comments.
dear @loch, thanks for your reply; it looks reasonable, but may I ask you how do you think is defined outside the $(m_i)_i$'s?
thanks again, if you want to spend some minutes editing it as an answer I'll accept it ;)
I'm not sure what do you mean by this question actually
are you asking about how \phi is defined?
@BalarkaSen I just realized that $t$ is both a variable and a constant there
19:00
@geocalc33 What do you mean?
loooool
It's the restriction of $\gamma'$, which is not the derivative of $\gamma$
@loch oh maybe I see: so you pick $(m_i)_i\in \oplus_i M/M(\sigma_i)$ and map to $(m_i-m_j)_{i<j})$. I thought this was defined only for a cartier data, but $(m_i)_i$ is any element in that direct sum , sorry
If F is a field with prime characteristic, what map shows that the prime subfield of F is isomorphic to integers mod charF?
@Balarka @MikeM I'm sure we could write an exercise with worse notation(s) if we put our minds to it, but this has to be the worst I have ever seen.
@topologicalorientablesurface: How are you defining the "prime subfield"?
@cupoftea yeah that's right
19:03
@TedShifrin intersection of all subfields
@topologicalorientablesurface $\Bbb Z \to F$, $n \mapsto 1 + 1 + \dots + 1$ (n times).
@CaptainAmerica16 I mean I am going to start a math company called MathCity. We outsource to undergrads and grads with a b.s./m.s./phd in mathematics/physics and they prove managements theorems. Then management compiles the information and writes papers with it
Yeah, feynhat beat me to it. I was going to suggest looking at $1$.
oh, cool, its kernel is $charF \mathbb{Z}$.
thank you very much @loch, you've been very helpful! the free points for the answer are avalaible anytime, if someday you want them ;)
19:06
no problem !
i'm too lazy to do that but feel free to ping me if you have related questions (although like i said i can't say i really know toric geometry :p )
we will compete with the Langlands program and overtake them, enticing more pros to our side and there will be much cash to the day-ones
So, in general, $ P \cong \mathbb{Z}/charF \mathbb{Z}$ right?
@loch surely I do!
we will start a university as well
once you've proven that the image of this map agrees with the prime field as per your definition, of course
19:08
@geocalc33 well
good luck with that
@geocalc33 I'm gonna be honest - I can't tell if you're being serious anymore.
I'm gradually becoming more troll
but initially I was serious
first I have to think about lunch
The original idea sounds kind of interesting. would the students get credit in the "managements'" papers
19:12
yes. semicredit
on a sliding scale
a sliding scale...?
if you contribute less, then you get less credit basically
ah, ok. That makes sense
management target india and china
that made me lol
19:14
we pay hourly first. 3 dollars an hour
You're trolling again
I'll write this down and stop bothering the chat
no I'm not trolling. I'm serious
How do I show that if $p$ is prime and n is any integers, there exists a field with $p^n$ elements?
By constructing it usually
19:23
@Mike ok I can argue using compactness that there exists a positive $\delta$ such that for each point on a component of the curve that is not the components where $p$ is an element of, the distance from that point to $p$ is at least $\delta$. so we can now shrink the ball so that there is only one component of the curve left. I still feel like I don't have it clear enough in my head why we would only have two components left now
One way is to show that any irreducible factor of the $(p^n-1)$'st cyclotomic polynomial has degree $n$ over the field with $p$ elements.
like, this is another example where it could go wrong (in the case if a merely continuous gamma)
and my point is rather
I can argue that we can again choose our radius small enough so that this doesn't happen
Shrink more
however
how am I certain that I haven't missed an option this way?
like, maybe I just haven't thought about another pathological case
Oh also that can't happen
19:25
(where shrinking wouldn't help)
All the strands coming in the ball is at a positive constant distance away from your chosen strand
"how can i be sure there's no pathological exception" is one of thse questions which haunts me when doing analysis
it's why i'm not a big fan of it
@BalarkaSen ye, so..?:x
wait hm
so there were two options in the case our U intersected with the ball wasn't connected; either there was a strand that was touching the chosen strand, or it wasn't touching it
@ShaVukila Ok, let's do this properly.
$\gamma : S^1 \to \Bbb R^2$ is a smooth embedding
Choose a point $p \in S^1$ and let $q = \gamma(p)$. Find chart neighborhoods $U, V$ around $p$ and $q$ such that $\gamma(t) = (t, 0)$ in the corresponding local coordinates.
WLOG I can assume $U, V$ are ball neighborhoods, i.e., $U$ is a small arc around $p$ in $S^1$ and $V$ is a small 2-disk around $q$ in $\Bbb R^2$
Agree?
uhhmm let me think
I see why we can choose at least one of the two to be a ball neighborhood
19:30
Which one? :)
whichever we want, right?
Let's do $V$
So now $V$ is a ball neighborhood. Consider $\gamma^{-1}(V) \subset U$, which is an open subset of $S^1$ containing $p$. Open subsets of $S^1$ are union of open arcs, choose an open arc containing $p$
Replace $U$ by that arc.
Now both $U$ and $V$ are ball neighborhoods.
Agree?
uhmm, ye I think so
Could someone check this?
19:36
@ShaVukila Now, your issue: $V$ is a ball around $q$ in $\Bbb R^2$ and $\gamma(U)$ is a properly embedded curve in $V$, which is part of the curve $\gamma$.
But there are many other strands of $\gamma$ which exit and enter $V$
right ye
We want to avoid this. Strategy fine?
Nice
Let $B \subset V$ be an even smaller open ball, arbitrarily chosen, such that $\overline{B} \subset V$. Then $\overline{B} \cap \gamma$ consists of various strands of $\gamma$ which exit and enter.
ye, and $\gamma$ is closed, so compact in $\overline B$
These are the connected components of $\overline{B} \cap \gamma$. These are all disjoint closed subsets thereof.
Exactly.
Does the reciprocal of the implicit function theorem holds true?
I'm trying to prove a function cannot be defined implicitly. Not sure if it's enough to show the Jacobian matrix has determinant zero.
19:40
As you pointed out $\overline{B} \cap \gamma$ is a closed and bounded set, therefore compact, therefore has finitely many connected components.
@Cure, no.
So there are only finitely many strands exiting and entering $\overline{B}$.
@ShaVukila OK?
@BalarkaSen I was not aware of this, but I will accept that for now
Nah you're right. Compact sets need not have finitely many connected components, of course.
ah man, I really have to quickly go to the supermarket now. It's closing at 22.00, and I don't have time to go tomorrow before evening.
this sucks
but I am off for 15 min
19:45
We'll figure it out after you come back
@Balarka: That pesky topologist's sine curve.
Yeah, I see Sha's irritation. Anyway this isn't an issue, I will tell her why when she comes back.
@BalarkaSen We had this conversation some years ago I think
Hi!
3
A: How can it be shown that a Möbius transformation can have at most two fixed points unless it is f(z) = z?

mich95Let $z \to \frac{az+b}{cz+d}$ $(a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{C}$, and $ z \not = \frac{-d}{c}$) be the Mobius transformotation. A point $z_{0}$ if fixed if and only if $\frac{az_{0}+b}{cz_{0}+d}=z_{0}$,so $cz_{0}^{2}+(d-a)z_{0}-b=0$. This is an equation of degree at most $2$, hence has at most two soluti...

How to extend this answer to the extended complex plane?
19:54
Oh ok, so I wanted to show that $\pi_1(S^2)$ is trivial I think by stereographically projecting to $\Bbb R^2$ but you threw surjective loops on $S^2$ at me so I had to argue why every loop is homotopic to a nonsurjective one by homotoping the finitely many pieces in a compact ball to its boundary or something like that @Balarka
Every field over $Z_p$ has a finite basis, right?
What does that mean
@AlessandroCodenotti so, i'm trying to prove that if $F$ is a finite field then $|F|=charF^{[F:P]}$
where $P$ is the prime subfield
So you want a basis as an $F_p$ vector space, got it
Well if $F$ is finite surely its basis is finite too
what if $F$ was infinite?
19:58
@topologicalorientablesurface Then all of that would be false
Then it's not true, $\overline{F_p}$ is an infinite degree extension of $F_p$ for example
don't know what degree extensions are
you do based on what you're asking but you don't know it's called the degree. The degree of of an extension $K$ of a field $L$ is $[K:L]$
oh, my lecturer called that the dimension, but alright, I see.
(Which is also the dimension of $K$ as an $L$-vector space)
then you just need to know the classification of vector spaces
@AlessandroCodenotti Yeah that was some sneaky argument. Unfortunately there we only moved strands away from a point not a ball.
We can choose finitely many strands so that the point is contained in those only, and move one by one
yeah it wasn't exactly the same, but it reminded me of that
Yeah I was trying to remember as well
Sneaky point set topology
Someone should write "standard tricks in geometric point set topology" down somewhere
So easy to forget these
20:05
just wiggle things around a bit
@BalarkaSen Makes sense, in fact every closed ball contains infinitely many pieces of the loops by BCT so some care is needed
Good point
nevermind, my BCT argument is nonsense
You could have crazy loops that enter a ball and cover it entirely without ever leaving the ball. There's no reason why the image of a small interval should have empty interior
Screw this topology nonsense, I'm going to think about groups again, bye
@Alessandro I remembered the argument (much thanks to Mike's patience because I told him at least 5 wrong arguments privately elsewhere before coming up with the right one): If $f : S^1 \to S^2$ is a map, choose a point $p \in S^2$ and consider $f^{-1}(p)$. This is a compact subset of $S^1$, cover it with finitely many arcs $U_1, \cdots, U_n$. Then $\gamma|U_i$ are these finitely many arcs which contain $p$.
Each of these arcs can actually touch $p$ infinitely often Cantor set's worth of times
But we get finitely many arcs anyway
So move one by one
That works
Good
20:12
Very sneaky IMO
I'm not a sneaky person though so might not be so sneaky for everyone
I think it's surprisingly painful to write down properly for such an obvious fact
If $\{z_n\} \subseteq \Bbb{C}$ is bounded and $z \notin \overline{\{z_n\}}$, then why does it follow that $\{(z_n-z)^{-1}\}$ is bounded?
20:30
boundedness isn't necessary
Say I wanted to construct a field with 9 elements.
So, 9=3^2, and so by the fundamental theorem
of finite fields
such a field does exist.
I consider $\mathbb{F}_3[x]$
can you restate $z\not\in\overline{\{z_n\}}$ in an equivalent manner, perhaps involving balls
$x^2+1$ has degree 2 and since it has no roots in $\mathbb{F}_3$
it must be irreducible
So, the quotient field $\mathbb{F}_3[x]/(f)$
is an example of such a field
I think you mean "no roots in $\mathbb{F}_3$", otherwise yes
20:34
Say, in relation to my question a while ago:
Given $F(w,x,y,z)=(F_1,F_2, F_3)$ and I would like to express each $x,y,z$ in terms of $w$.

This would be possible if the determinant for the jacobian matrix with partial derivatives for $x,y,z$ were non-zero.

I have shown that it is zero, does that mean I can't express $x,y,z$ in terms of $w$?
Or does it mean that I probably can't?
@Thorgott Aw of course. Thanks!
@Cure Just from that, we can't tell
20:51
@BalarkaSen heya, you still here by any chance?
I took a detour to clear my head a bit (as I had been inside all day)
(so 15 min turned into one hour)
@Cure Try $F(x,y) = (y-x)^2=0$ to see what can go wrong with an inverse.
@Sha Yeah here.
Your concern is justified by the way
about the finiteness? or something else?
21:01
Essentially what you want to do is to prove that the strands of $\gamma$ inside $V$ do not accumulate to $\gamma|U$
that was sth I was wondering btw (on the side)
we can't have an accumulation at all right?
Right. This is because length of $\gamma$ is finite!
Do you see that
not really:(
Doesn't $f(x) = x\sin(1/x)$ have infinite length?
I'm thinking of sth like this where it would still somehow accumulate
(not claiming it's a counter example, but sth in this direction)
21:06
Or are we assuming rectifiable Jordan curve?
Smooth Jordan curve
Much stronger
But yes, rectifiability is the minimal hypothesis
@ShaVuklia That will not accumulate
Oh, smooth. Then we can use intersection numbers :)
Take a neighborhood of $q$ of diameter $\varepsilon$. Suppose strands accumulate inside, then each of them has length at least $\varepsilon$
There are infinitely many of these guys
So you get rekt
oh nice
@TedShifrin Yeah I was trying to find the easiest argument and I think this is the easiest I can do
21:10
wait uh
why would they have at least length epsilon
Eh yeah
Let's see
I need to fix that
4
Q: compute $\log_e(j)$ of split complex number $j$

ℋoloI am trying to calculate the value of $\ln j$ where $j^2=1, j\ne\pm1$($j$ is split complex). This is how I did it: given $e^{j\theta}=\cosh\theta+j\sinh\theta$ I can set $\cosh\theta=0\implies \theta = i\pi n - \frac{i \pi}2, n \in \Bbb Z,i$ is the imaginary number, for convenience sake i'll...

@ShaVukila Yeah this seems annoying to argue. Take a disk around $q$, then basically what you want to say is that there is some $\epsilon > 0$ such that $\epsilon$-arcs on each of the strands are contained in the disk
It's most certainly true but I can't seem to find a quick and dirty argument
21:31
$\sum_n (e^{-n^{-s}}-1)=\sum_{k\ge 1} \frac{(-1)^k}{k!} \zeta(sk)$
don't know how to prove that
hey chat.
I'm trying to solve $x'' = kx^{-2}$. Any hints?
I've tried $x' := y$ so that $$x'' = kx^{-2} \iff \begin{cases}x' = y \\ y' = kx^{-2}\end{cases}$$
but got nothing
21:49
@Balarka by the way
we are constantly thinking in the domain of the chart, but isn't it much easier to think in the codomain?
so say our chart is $\phi$, then we want to look at $\phi(q)$
$q$ was already the point in the codomain
oh, not in my mind
in my mind, $q$ was part of the curve
and now $\phi(q)$ is on the $x$-axis
OK continue
right so
we can argue that $\phi(q)$ is not isolated
so it is part of a small segment that extends to the left and right
so consider a connected part of $\phi(q)$
and then consider the ball around that
we are just in $\mathbb R^2$, so that is connected
and now we know that the upper half of that ball has inverse image in a connected part on the domain
and the lower half of the ball as well
so one half has to belong to one component in the domain
and the other half to the other component
I don't understand the argument. Other strands and enter and exit your ball
So you can't tell anything about components in the domain at all
21:54
no no
the ball is the "rectified" part
the strands are mapped to the x-axis
let me draw
this is how I envision it
@BalarkaSen
so first I was thinking in the left image (the domain)
instead, I think it's easier to think in the right image (the codomain)
Uh, what is $\varphi$?
the slice chart
I don't know a map which straightens everything like that
that's not what a slice chart does
no? what XD
but $\gamma$ is a one-dim embedded submanifold
slice charts requires balls in both domain and codomain right
21:58
not sure, let me check the details
the green parts of the curve may be far from $p$
I mean I know :P

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