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6:00 PM
@Thorgott Ummm, how do we know that $(N+1)r^N \to 0$? Isn't it of the indeterminate form $\infty \cdot 0$? How do we evaluate the limit?
 
@S.D. you can use l'hospital
 
ratio test
in fact, that sequence is summable
also yeah, sodam, that's correct
a slightly different way of doing it, but which has the same underlying idea, is to pick a normal $v$ to the plane and look at the function $t\mapsto\langle f(t),v\rangle$, the rest of the argument is the same
 
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@Thorgott Interesting, thanks! I will try writing out the details. But as Lukas says, is there any analogue of L'Hospital for checking convergence of sequences?
 
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I guess just ordinary L'Hospital works, but maybe it's an overkill for this situation
 
Say I have a smooth map between manifolds $F : M \to S^n$ how can I show that there is an embedded open disc $D$ in $M$ small enough such that $M \setminus D$ is homotopy equivalent to $M \setminus \{p\}$ where $\{p\}$ is some point in $D$?
 
6:16 PM
What does $F$ have to do with this?
 
doesn't $M\setminus\{p\}$ deformation retract onto $M\setminus D$ for all embedded open discs
by pushing $D\setminus\{p\}$ radially outward
 
Yes @Thor.
 
ok, glad my visual intuition isn't complete garbage
 
hey chat
 
Hi Lucas
 
6:19 PM
still writing down that path-connectedness proof.
sup, @Ted?
so I'm kinda stuck, having a bad time trying to show that $A \mapsto A^{-1}$ and $(A,B) \mapsto AB$ are continuous ($\mathrm{GL}_n(\mathbb{C})$ with any norm)
since any 2 norms induce the same topology on $\mathcal{M}_n(\mathbb{C})$, I tried to use any submultiplicative norm, but no luck
 
What do those maps look like in coordinates?
Also hey Ted!
 
first one is weird, second one is, you know, matrix multiplication sent to $\mathbb{C}^{n^2}$
 
Well, do the 2x2 case for example and try to generalize
So we have a map $m:\mathbb{C}^8 \to \mathbb{C}^4$ where $m(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h)$ is the product $\begin{pmatrix}a&b\\c&d\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}e&f\\g&h \end{pmatrix}$
 
who's the analyst in the crowd?
 
Write it down, and you'll see why it's continuous in any dimension. Do something similar for the inverse
Joe: uhhh kinda me? Idk
 
6:35 PM
@Lucas for the first one, use Cramer's rule, for the second one, just use the definition of matrix multiplication. Note that (multivariable) polynomials are continuous
 
you should definitely think through what Amin suggested in any case, but let me point out that you can also prove continuity of multiplication in the same way as you do it for real numbers
the explicit method is ultimately better, though, because it gives much more than just continuity
 
Does this function have zeros by inspection? $\Phi(s)=\Gamma\left(1+\frac1s\right)+\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{(-1)^n}{n!}\zeta(-ns)$ I think it does because of the summation of the zeta function on the right
The Gamma term is definitely never zero
 
how so?
 
6:52 PM
How can I show if p_n->p where p_n is a sequence of points in regular surface S and p is in S then lim(p_n-p)/|p_n-p|\in T_pS ?
 
7:03 PM
do you know that the surface locally is the preimage of a regular value of some smooth function
 
No I didn't
I only know that the preimage of regular value is regular surface
Maybe just p as the origin and T_pS as xy-plane again. Then as p_n\to 0, lim p_n/|p_n| should contained in the xy-plane
the last argument seems intuitively true but I don't know how to prove it in rigor
 
7:24 PM
I'm trying to think of a simple argument rn, but it's kinda iffy
oh, the claim isn't true btw
I forgot this, but it's necessary to allow passing to a subsequence
I guess you just have to argue that you can interpolate some subsequence by an appropriate smooth curve
 
Yes but I doubt we can get smooth curve containing infinitely many p_n
 
you definitely can, it's just pretty awkward to argue
 
7:44 PM
How can I?
Actually my first approach was p = 0 and p_n = (x_n,y_n,z_n) so showing lim x_n/|(x_n,y_n,z_n)| = 0. But it seems hard to prove
 
 
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Q: Constructing category for germs

MoeI have a question concerning the construction of functors and a category that satisfy specific properties. I have just started pondering about this, and i'm quite curious: Definition Let $M$ be a differentiable manifold of dimension $m$. Let $p\in M$. The equivalence class of a real valued smoot...

 
9:21 PM
ye, I believe you can do that
take the category whose objects are tuples $(M,U,p)$ where $M$ is a smooth manifold, $U$ an open subset and $p\in U\subseteq M$, a morphism $(M,U,p)\rightarrow(N,V,q)$ is a smooth map $f\colon M\rightarrow N$ such that $f(U)\subseteq V$ and $f(p)=q$
then you can consider the contravariant functors taking the germs at $p$ of the $M$ or $U$, respectively
 
cool, thanks @Thorgott
does this category
have a name?
 
not that I know of
it's kind of like a full subcategory of the arrow category, but you take a short sequence instead of an arrow
so you can express it as a full subcategory of a certain functor category
 
 
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10:45 PM
Hi everyone.

When should I revisit a Calculus' book such as Spivak's?

I'm currently private tutoring a finance student on calculus and I'm trying to build it somewhat rigorous. Not necessarily demanding him formal exercises, but he's very curious and like to know how and why some things work, so at least the exposition is very meticulous.

I see this as an opportunity for me to get to know Spivak's book, while I'm currently enrolled in an Analysis class. Will it be useful for me? Probably not, but I have some FOMO when comparing to fellow students who had read it.
 
@BalarkaSen i think smooth atlases knocked me out of my first 5 attempts to properly learn diff geo 'cause I was trying to prove things about smooth functions between manifolds using that definition
@EduardoC. how much math have you seen, and do you intend to see, and what kind of math?
Having standard real analysis (limits, sequences, series, differentiability & integrals in 1d) deeply ingrained is pretty worthwhile
I think that's the only course where I basically remember everything, and it helped me in a lot of exams that followed
If you have other, more advanced courses to study, then you can try to refresh your knowledge just when you need it, to be more economic about studying.
But worry not, I've come far enough with an analysis II - shaped hole in my knowledge
 
11:02 PM
@user2103480 My major was not in math and I'm preparing myself for a pure MSc, where I would be in touch with more serious math (that's why I'm taking this analysis course now).
 
Yes, definitely study real analysis in detail. At least everything about limits (also lim inf/lim sup) and convergence in general
When will you start the degree? What will your specialization be?
And: in the US or in europe? Typically, introductory master's stuff in the US is done in the bachelor's in european countries
excluding maybe the UK
 
@love_sodam as long as $p_n\ne p$ for any $n$
 
Here in Brazil some programs have a summer course, usually in analysis, that are used as a criteria for admission to MSc programs. If I succeed in this I'll be starting March/2021
I regret not studying calculus with spivak, but it seems that after an analysis course it doesn't really matter.
 
You dont need to read any specific book if you already know the topics, at least for introductory courses
 
Some MSc programs here are an hybrid between upper undergraduate and graduate classes, so not having a BSc in math will likely not cause me any harm, but obvsly the content of the classes are deeper in detail and rigor is expected in exams
 
11:08 PM
@EduardoC. haha sorry 'bout the europe/US normativity
 
@user2103480 Hahah no prob
 
@EduardoC. what was your bachelor's in?
 
@user2103480 Economics
 
And you already took the summer course?
Just probing your background knowledge
from your education I'd assume you want to do something statistics/probability/optimization related
 
No, I'm enrolled both in an intro analysis and linear algebra courses at a well recognized brazilian univ.
I did start with that idea, but getting to know other math areas got me really curious and excited
Summer course will start Jan/Feb, but because of covid I'm not sure how it's going to work
 
11:13 PM
Doing spivak's book on the side certainly doesn't hurt, as long as the workload isn't too heavy, so go ahead if it also gains you some $$ through tutoring
 
@AminIdelhaj why didn't you say so? (why kinda?)
 
@user2103480 Yep, the $$ does help. But at the same time I feel I could be studying more in-depth linear algebra or even starting algebra by myself (not Artin's book, but something more intro), because it seems more useful to research and post-grad courses
 
@EduardoC. linear algebra is definitely useful but you're talking to the wrong guy hahaha I've avoided algebra-related algebra since I took my first course in it
 
@user2103480 Why? It seems so different than analysis, from what I read about the problems and topics studied, it seems like you are studying "a big machine with a lot of buttons"
 
I think you can come pretty far without much algebra. A lot of high-level probability theory and PDE theory doesn't really use much algebra
 
11:19 PM
What algebra book have you used during your courses?
 
Yeah, it is indeed pretty different. The introductory topics (finite groups, splitting fields, solvability of groups, splitting fields, a bit of galois theory) didn't catch me
 
Are you in undergrad? Or just graduated?
 
I couldn't make much out of the style of proving things, my imagination wasn't really stoked, and the questions weren't interesting to me. But let me add that I find applications of algebra in topology, logic and differential geometry pretty fascinating
@EduardoC. 2nd year master's student
but starting my 6th year of studying
@EduardoC. I get what you mean. Some connections, and the goals, can seem clearer
In comparison to analysis which is pretty fuzzy
 
Are you in the US or Europe? What are you interested in research?
 
in Europe, and atm I'm specializing in probability
and also always trying to catch up with prerequisites for courses I intend to take
and if abstract algebra makes you curious, do study that, it's nice to have an outlook
 
11:29 PM
What was your BSc like? What have you studied? Have you seen functional analysis, alg topology or something like that still during undergrad?
I would like to start Algebra, but the more I deviate from analysis less are my chances of being admitted to MSc because of the summer program
 
In the first 3 semester's, I had analysis I - III (from limits & differentiability up to smooth submanifolds of R^n and lebesgue integration),

linear algebra I + II (matrices, eigenvectors/spaces, orthogonality and such, modules + jordan normal form), and the algebra course I mentioned,

and computer science (algorithms & data structures, then automata, languages, TM's, logic circuits and such)
 
Thanks! I asked because I would like to compare how much I'm 'behind' math majors
 
Then technically you could already study functional analysis after doing some topology in analysis II, but I just did FA last semester because before that, I didn't really need it
 
But the MSc programs I'm interested revisits all this, except maybe linear algebra
Hmmm interesting!
 
Afterwards I did an intro stochastics in semester 5, and another probability class in semester 8, which revisited both lebesgue integration and my previous stochastics class. So if I studied the stuff properly before, I could have taken that second probability class in semester 4
to give you a context about the timeframes typically needed, since I took a longer time than what's necessary
in between I also had a bit of numerical analysis, a bit of operations research/graph theory, both of which are are completely manageable in semester 3/4 of your bachelor's
@EduardoC. does the grade count or is it just pass/fail?
And finally, I took complex analysis in semester 4 (which one can also do in semester 3 if it's offered then), and I took 4 logic/set theory classes from semester 6 to 8, which is a reasonable timeframe for that
I tinkered arount with the classes I took a bit, so I replaced three seminars that I would normally have had by lecture courses
 
11:45 PM
Out of curiosity, which country are you located?
 
which means that normally, a bachelor's student takes less classes, and if I were efficient and/or more focused, I could've taken many classes much earlier
 
The grade for the summer? It does count. Most places expect you to earn an A to be admitted
 
Germany it is!
@EduardoC. oh, then focus on that
you'll have plenty of time to study algebra, don't worry
 
@user2103480 Hope so!
 
is it like the US in brazil, where an M.Sc. leads up to a PhD?
 
11:48 PM
oi, @EduardoC.! bom ver um brasileiro por aqui
 
or is it more like europe, where you do each degree, and only after that worry about the next one
 
hello @user2103480 :)
 
hi!
 
Yes! If I fail this summer that's ok! I'll take the first semester of 2021 to enroll in some other courses at the univ and get more experience, probably measure theory or intro algebra. My professor has also recommended me some functional analysis course that does not uses measure theory as a pre-req
@LucasHenrique oi lucas! :)
 
@EduardoC. oh, and to answer that, apart from logic/set theory I did not study much other advanced math during undergrad. But many do, you can have full-fledged alg top classes in semester 5 and 6, and I know that the uni I currently study at actually requires you to take functional analysis, if you do your bachelor's there
 
11:51 PM
I'm studying $\mathrm{GL}_n(\mathbb{C})$ as a topological group (topology induced by any norm on the more general matrix ring) and I've just proved it's path-connected. How is that relevant?
 
@user2103480 Yes, most people interested in a PhD will likely pass through a MSc program first, with some exceptions
 
@EduardoC. oh, you're a math undergrad?
 
@EduardoC. I actually meant the converse - it seems that master's degrees are often coupled with a PhD in the US, so if you do master's, then you intend to do a PhD
 
@LucasHenrique No! I'm an Economics undergrad, but I'm preparing for a MSc in math (if everything works out)
@user2103480 Oh, yes! But here they are different programs! It's also different from Europe (from what I know from France at least) because BSc programs here have 4-5 years, while the licence is 3 years and then you go to M1-M2
Licence in France*
@LucasHenrique Are you a math undergrad?
 
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