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12:12 AM
Last night dream:
There was a tutor instruction in doing some maths. He is well known to tell his students that in order to study, copy the thing 999 times. During the copying, I realise it actually primed your attention towards the subject.
He then test the understanding for e.g. asking me how to find the perpendicular line passing through the centroid. Initially I think I should just calculate it, but later on I realised that by placing a weight on the object, it will tilt in the direction thus revealing where the centroid is and hence while there is no analytical expression for it, it is clear where it is and so is the line.
I then find this way of thinking very interesting and I jot it down in my notes with other 9 drawings of the unique ways of thinking I found using this method
Reality check:
Hmm... I should figure out how to abstract this thinking style somehow: The idea of exploiting the inherent properties of mathematical objects that are in a sense, given for free, in order to bypass the need to compute them precisely
Given a mathematical object M and some target property x, what is the equivalent to placing a string of weight on M in order to make x to be determined automatically...?
 
 
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3:28 AM
Does a function with two independent variables, i.e., $f(x(s, t), y(s, t))$ have a total derivative? Wikipedia seems to suggest this, but I don't think I've ever seen such a thing in examples.
 
3:51 AM
@user10478 What source do you have in mind from wikipedia?
 
"The term "total derivative" is primarily used when f is a function of several variables, because when f is a function of a single variable, the total derivative is the same as the derivative of the function." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_derivative
 
 
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5:11 AM
[Random]
Let $s,t \in \Bbb{I}$, $p,q \in \Bbb{Q}$. Consider
$s + t = \frac{p}{q}$
$q (s + t) = p$
$qs+qt = p$
$qs = p - qt$
This means some multiple $q$ of $s,t$ are only some integers $p$ apart
Consider the special case $p = 1$
Then we have $qs = 1 - qt$
$f(qs) = f(1 - qt)$ error
hmm...
$s+t=1$
$P(s+t) = P(1)$
$P(1)=P(s)+P(t)+Q(s,t)=0$
fail
 
6:22 AM
Can anyone recommend sites to read uni reviews in UK before applying ?
I mean trustworthy reviews
 
6:36 AM
@flowian, qs, maybe.
 
thanks, I was looking in whatuni.com
 
How to show that there is no rational solution for $x^3-3x-1=0$?
@flowian Are you applying for math? bachelors or masters/ PhD?
 
bachelors math
 
ok
best of luck
 
thanks
 
7:38 AM
@Silent rational root theorem
 
ok, thanks. looking into it
 
 
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8:53 AM
Can anyone explain me the way to proceed of Evans when it talks about the solution of boundary-value problem?
 
 
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10:12 AM
Whaddup @Daminark
 
 
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12:18 PM
$F[x]/(p(x))$ is an $n$ dimensional vector space over $F$ if $p(x)\in F[x]$ is an irreducible polynomial. Is it true that $F[x]/(p(x))$ has dimension strictly less than $n$ as an $F$-vector space if $p(x)\in F[x]$ is a reducible polynomial? (Here $F$ is a field.)
I mean, how does $F[x]/(p(x))$ look if $p(x)\in F[x]$ reducible?
 
@Silent still $n$ dimensional
 
but may not be a field, right?
 
right
 
Can it be field if reducible?
 
If $A$ is a convex, absorbing set in a (topological) vector space, and $0 < t < s$, does it follow that $tA \subseteq sA$?
 
12:34 PM
@Silent no
 
thank you
 
@user193319 what is an absorbing set?
 
$A$ is absorbing if for every $x \in X$, there is some $t > 0$ such that $t^{-1}x \in A$.
 
why $t^{-1}$?
why not $t$?
 
That's how Rudin defines it. I guess the idea is that if you scale $A$ by a large enough factor, it "absorbs" $X$.
 
12:39 PM
but isn't it equivalent
if $t>0$ then $t^{-1}>0$
did you mean $t>1$?
 
Nope. I'm looking at Rudin right now; he writes, "...a convex set $A \subseteq X$ which is absorbing, in the sense that every $x \in X$ lies in $tA$ for some $t = t(x) > 0$."
 
ok
 
I agree that absorbing sounds like the requirement that $t > 1$, so it is somewhat unintuitive.
 
hint: show that $0 \in A$
 
Okay. Since $0 \in X$, there is some $t > 0$ such that $0 = t^{-1}0 \in A$.
 
12:45 PM
then you should be able to clear it using convex
 
Oh, take some cvx comb. of $0$ and the "other" point?
 
right
 
1:31 PM
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Q: A metric on non negative symmetric matrix

Silent Let $w=\{w(ij)\}_{1\le i,j\le m}$ be an $m\times m$ symmetric matrix with non-negative real entries such that $w(i,j)=0$ iff $i=j$. Show that $$d(i,j)=\min\left\{\sum_{j=0}^{k-1}w(i_j,i_{j+1}):k\ge1,i_0=i,i_k=j,i_j\in\{1,\ldots,m\}\right\}$$ is metric on $\{1,\ldots,m\}$. Please help me with...

Please help me with this.
 
so you've got a symmetric matrix which is zero on the diagonal and positive on the off-diagonal elements
 
yes
 
that definition of d(i,j) isn't the clearest in the world, is it
maybe it helps to consider a specific choice of $k$ and $\{i_j\}$
so for instance: take m=4, k=3, i=1,j=2
then {i0,i1,i2,i3} must start from 1 and end with 2
so i1=4,i2=4 would be such a choice
in which case one is looking at w(1,4)+w(4,4)+w(4,3)
...yeah, this is about as clear as mud
 
1:54 PM
@Semiclassical halp how sketch $\varphi_t(x,y) = (x \cos(2t) + (2.5y-2x) \sin(2t), y \cos(2t) + (2y-2x) \sin(2t))$
 
beyond "plug it into Wolfram Alpha and see what it gives you?" :3
 
:3
 
but yeah, that's not exactly the clearest thing in the world
especially since it's $2.5y-2x$ in the first term and $2y-2x$ in the second
that's rather annoying
I guess the thing to start with is to evaluate $t$ for a view simple cases
so $t=0,\pi/4,\pi/2,$ etc
I'm going to modify your notation a bit to $\varphi(x,y;t)$, just to make the next bit easier to read
$\varphi(x,y;0) = (x,y)$,
$\varphi(x,y;\pi/4) = (2.5y-2x,2y-2x),$
$\varphi(x,y;\pi/2) = (-x,-y)$,
$\varphi(x,y;3\pi/4) = (-2.5x+2x,-2y+2x)$,
and $\varphi(x,y;t+\pi)=\varphi(x,y;t)$
What I want to say is that it'll be an ellipse centered at zero
but I'm not convinced I'm right about that
 
yes they are concentric ellipses
 
ah, good
the tricky thing there is that it's hardly obvious to me what the axes would be
I suppose one approach there would be to find $a,b,c$ such that $aX^2+b XY+c Y^2$ is time-independent (where $X,Y$ denote the components of $\varphi_t$)
 
2:08 PM
@loch why are sheaves/calculus based on functions with open domains?
 
@LeakyNun hmm, you're right
@LeakyNun count me confused: when I plot those curves for various x,y I indeed get concentric ellipses
but I can't for the life of me see why they should be concentric
 
that is the flow of $\begin{pmatrix}-4&5\\-4&4\end{pmatrix}$
 
huh
well, that makes it being an ellipse seem more plausible
oh, wait. what i'm doing wasn't sensible
derp
@LeakyNun yeah, looks like the ellipses are all of the form $4 X^2 - 8 X Y + 5 Y^2=\mathrm{const.}$
 
2:26 PM
how did you work that out?
 
I guess one could equally well write that as $4X^2-8XY+5Y^2 = 4x^2-8 x y+5 y^2$
tediously, tbh
I wrote down $aX^2+b XY+c Y^2$ as I indicated
and demanded that its first and second derivatives at $t=0$ both vanish. (all derivatives should in fact vanish, but this was all I needed for a solution)
That gave me linear equations in $a,b,c$ which I had mathematica solve for
and $(a,b,c)=(4C,-8C,5C)$ was the general solution, with free variable $C$
That said, this seems like far from the best approach
 
I love how discontinuous the flow of $\begin{pmatrix}2&1\\0&2\end{pmatrix}$ is
although the theory says that it is perfectly continuous
@Semiclassical so in general could you read the coefficients off the matrix?
 
should be able to somehow
Basically you're looking for an invariant of $$\frac{d}{dt}\begin{pmatrix} X(t) \\ Y(t)\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} -4 & 5 \\ -4 & 4 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} X(t) \\ Y(t) \end{pmatrix}$$
Let me write those column vectors as $\vec{v}(t)$ to avoid writing them over and over again, and the matrix as $M$
so $d\vec{v}/dt = M \vec{v}$
We're looking for a symmetric matrix $A$ such that $\vec{v}^\top A \vec{v}$ is time-independent
Differentiating that gives $(d\vec{v}/dt)^\top A\vec{v}+\vec{v}^\top A (d\vec{v}/dt) = \vec{v}^\top (M^\top A+A M)\vec{v}=0$
 
transpose the second term (it is a scalar)
 
Good call
so that's $\vec{v}^\top(M^\top +M^\top)A\vec{v}=0$
 
2:37 PM
no
 
So we're looking for $A$ such that $M^\top A=0$ or just $AM=0$
no
 
$\vec v^{\top} M^\top (A + A^\top) \vec v = 0$
 
hmm i don't have one good one liner to answer this question -- so maybe just some remarks:
- calculus is built on inequalities - which are really open conditions!
- open sets look at 'all directions' (manifold locally looks like \R^n)
- closed subsets of manifolds can be arbitrarily bad behaved (closed subsets of \R^n can be crazy)
- sheaves make sense on Grothendieck sites - so you really only need a notion of 'covering'. I guess this begs the question of why people dont consider 'closed coverings' - but that doesn't seem like a good idea -- if, for example, you define sheaves on all close
 
sure, though I did choose $A$ to be symmetric
 
oh
 
2:39 PM
though, what's weird
 
so $\vec v^\top M^\top A \vec v = 0$
 
If I choose $A=\begin{pmatrix} 4 & -4 \\ -4 & 5\end{pmatrix}$
then $M^\top A+AM = 0$ but $M^\top A = -AM \neq 0$
wtf?
 
:o
yeah
you get that with non-symmetric matrices
 
(note that $\vec{v}^\top A \vec{v} = 4X^2-8XY+5Y^2$ in that case)
 
$\vec v^\top B \vec v = 0$ for all $\vec v$
where $B = \begin{pmatrix}0&1\\-1&0\end{pmatrix}$
 
2:41 PM
ah, yeah
$\vec{v}^\top B \vec{v}=0$ for all $\vec{v}$ only implies that $B^\top =- B$, I think?
 
right
which tells you pretty much when B is 2x2
it tells you that it is a scalar multiple of my example
 
That said, $M^\top A+ AM$ is symmetric by construction
So I think in that case we'd have $AM = -M^\top A = -(AM)^\top$
so $A$ is a matrix such that $AM$ is skew-symmetric
 
right
 
which, at the very least, means that one approach is just brute force
write down $A=\begin{pmatrix} a & b \\ b & c\end{pmatrix}$
then multiply $AM$ out and demand that it be skew-symmetric
 
great
26 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
that is the flow of $\begin{pmatrix}-4&5\\-4&4\end{pmatrix}$
a+b=0, 5b+4c=0, 5a-4c=0
a=4, b=-4, c=5
 
2:46 PM
math.stackexchange.com/questions/3177761/… can anyone help me with this?
 
brilliant, thanks
 
yeah, up to an overall scaling factor
I guess here's an interesting question: What condition on $M$ do you need for there to be an $A$ such that $AM$ is skew-symmetric?
for instance, when $M=\begin{pmatrix} 2 & 1 \\ 0 & 2\end{pmatrix}$, it seems that no such $A$ exists
 
well from differential equation theory... you need M to have imaginary eigenvalues
 
what I'm getting is that either $\text{tr}M = 0$ or $\det M=0$
second one is probably not so interesting, since if $\det M=0$ then there exists $\vec{v}$ such that $M\vec{v}=0$
which tells you that any multiple of this $\vec{v}$ will be unchanged by the flow
The first case is less clear to me
I guess the upshot of the first case is this. If M has zero trace and positive determinant, your trajectories are ellipses. If it has negative determinant, they're hyperbolas instead
(zero determinant and zero trace means there's two zero eigenvalues and therefore things are annoying)
 
3:24 PM
@Semiclassical do you know that the mean of a bunch of iid Cauchy distributions is still the Cauchy distribution :P
 
no, but that's neat
i've definitely seen the wiki page on stable distributions tho
 
its char. func. is $e^{-|x|}$ iirc
immediate consequence
 
the char. func isn't differentiable at $0$
which is a testament that the Cauchy distr. has no expectation
 
yeah, cauchy be weird
 
4:31 PM
Anybody know how to do the second part? (And if my first part is right)?
I got this so far but completely unsure
 
 
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7:01 PM
Anyone know an example of Noetherian ring where the only ideal it contains which is not generated by a single element is the entire ring itself?
 
7:17 PM
The entire ring is always generated by a single element
Are you just looking for a Notherian PID?
 
Hmmm, is that right? That a ring is always generated by a single element? I'm not familiar with that result. (Also, wouldn't a Noetherian PID be "every PID?")
Is it related to the fact that the additive group of a ring is abelian?
 
Ah wait
Do your rings have a unit?
Because as an ideal the whole ring is always $(1)$
(and yes, all PIDs are Noetherian but it's unclear to me what you're looking for exactly)
 
7:32 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti I was about to
 
What I'm looking for is essentially just a little bit more understanding on ring theory. I wasn't sure if such a ring would be possible at all. Though, now I get the impression that it might be possible if the ring lacks a unit?
Well, perhaps I should clarify what sort of ring I'm thinking about.
A ring $R$ which is not uniquely generated (I assume this necessitates that it lack a unit?) where if $I\subsetneq R$ is a proper ideal, then there exists an $r\in R$ such that $I=(r)$
 
Hi friends!
I got that beast here:$$ \nabla\cdot\nabla f(\vec{r})=\left( \frac{1}{2}\vec{B}\times\vec{r} - \nabla f(\vec{r}) \right)\frac{\nabla \rho(\vec{r})}{\rho(\vec{r})}. $$
I am interested in solutions for $f$, $\rho$ is a given positive scalar field and $\vec{B}$ a constant vector.
$\vec{r}$ is the general variable the functions depend on, points from $\Bbb R^3$.
How do the solutions $f(\vec{r})$ of this equation look like?
How to generally approach such a thing?
 
8:23 PM
Suppose that $g \in F_2 = \langle a,b \rangle (the free group on two generators) is such that $\langle g \rangle$ is a normal subgroup. Can I say anything about $g$ in general?
 
Salut @Astyx
 
Salut
Tu vas bien ?
 
Oui, plus ou moins, et toi?
 
Ça va
 
Rien d'épatant?
 
8:32 PM
Non pas particulièrement
J'ai trouvé un stage pour cet été
 
Ah, très bien.
 
À Edinburgh
 
Am I crazy? math.stackexchange.com/questions/3191258/… Does his reply seem totally random, like he looked at a differentn response?
 
Ah, formidable.
@randomgirl: I think you should probably provide a bit more explanation. Also, the question confused me because the OP talk about area rather than volume. But I think it's clear you interpreted it correctly.
 
Hmm... okay. I guess I will just copy and paste my comment into the answer spot. Thanks.
 
8:37 PM
I would explain a bit more than that.
Try to be a teacher, not just an answer book.
9
 
ok I guess I will put a picture...
 
Zee
9:06 PM
I think the answer is sufficient
@TedShifrin did you do PDEs in complex geometry?
 
9:21 PM
hi chat
 
Zee
Hey man
 
9:42 PM
Computer science related question. I am trying to make a clock for an assignment. The clock numbers are not positioned properly. Theres something messed up on the math side of things.
Code:
 for (int i = 0; i < 12; i++) {
      shapes.add(new Text(
              (int)(xcenter-radius*Math.cos(Math.PI/180 * (120 + i * 30))),
              (int)(ycenter-radius*Math.sin(Math.PI/180 * (120 + i * 30))),
              (i+1) + "")
      );
    }
Actual Result:
Expected Result:
(With just the numbers)
How can I make the numbers closer to the radius?
 
Zee
Am not a programmer but try multiplying the radius by something like 0.9 or 0.8
 
@Zee Solved. Hence why this course is bullshit. More math than com sci.
Thanks!
kinda feel dumb. that was simple.
 
Zee
No problem
Dont feel bad, you'll pick this stuff up in no time
But you should def study math if you do programming
Nothing serious but it will be of use to you
 
9:58 PM
Depends what type of programming you do.
 
Let G be a group. Let H be a subgroup. Prove if h $\in H$ then hH = H
proof: Assume hH $\neq H$ then $hH \cap H$ is empty which is a contradiction
Is this a correct proof?
 
10:17 PM
Why must the intersection be empty, and why is it a contradiction?
 
Because for a,b in G either aH=bH or aH$\cap $ bH is empty
its a contradiction because we assumed h is in H
 
well, how do you know hH is in h?
 
since the intersection is empty that means h is not in hH , that's clearly not true because h$=$ $he$ where e is the identity for H
do you mean how do I know h is in hH?
 
Okay. That last point is what I was looking for you to say
 
so is it a good proof?
 
10:21 PM
h is in H by assumption, and $he=h$ since H contains the identity
I think you need to spell that out though
 
yup, I will. Thanks so much. I have another question if a^{-1}b is in H then how do I show that aH = bH?
 
And that statement that aH = bH unless their intersection is empty
Is that a theorem that you’ve been given/proven?
It does not strike me as trivial.
 
yeah that if a,b are in a group then aH = bH or aH intersect bH is empty
thats been given
I mean, I had to prove it
but it was mentioned
 
Alright. You can avoid using contradiction here, btw. If h is in H, then it’s also in hH and so the intersection isn’t empty. Hence they must in fact be equal.
 
ok, thanks. That's much better
 
10:27 PM
@topologicalmagician this seems pretty close to the last one. Can you use that given element to find an element that must be in both cosets?
 
I mean I got $(a^{-1}b)$H $=$ H
ok I see
hold on
 
To spell that out: you’re given $a^{-1}b\in H.$ can you find $h_1,h_2\in H$ such that $ah_1=bh_2$?
 
lol, it seems pretty straight forward
 
Yeah, so I said since $a^{-1}b$ $\in$ H. Then $a^{-1}b$ $=$ $m$ for some m $\in H$. Therefore $b=am$ and so $b$ $\in$ $aH$, by the above lemma, $b \in bH$ as well
hence the intersection is non-empty therefore they are equal
 
10:33 PM
What constant $c$ will make this equality valid? $$ \sum_{k=2}^{N}c^{\frac{1}{k\log k}}=N $$ Is $c$ probably irrational?
 
You can again shorten that a bit. You know $a^{-1}b$ is in H, so $a(a^{-1}b)=b$ is in aH
But e is in H so b=be is certainly in bH. And then etc.
 
I have a question semi, if you don't mind me asking
 
What is the question?
 
@Ultradark Why do you think a single $c$ will always work?
 
How rigorous should one be in your opinion while doing mathematics?
 
10:37 PM
Eh. That depends far too much on context to give a general answer
 
I think maybe if @user76284 the $c$ was irrational then it could always work
 
The correct $c$ (the x-intercept) depends on $n$.
 
I mean, do you usually prove or attempt to prove very intuitive ideas just to make sure what you're doing is right?
 
If it’s really trivial, then giving the argument should also be trivial :)
The kind of stuff I do is not so reliant on formal proof tho
There are exceptions to that
 
@user76284 $c=1.46$ is a good approximation to the line $y=x.$ It seems that it holds up as $N$ is increased
 
10:43 PM
But I more deal with computations than theorems
 
You mean you're looking for $\lim_{N \rightarrow \infty} c(N)$?
 
oh, I see
 
It does seem like it converges to something.
 
I was dealing with some exceptions to that earlier, though. Tensor product stuff. In that case I very much wanted an actual argument rather than just intuition.
But that’s as much a matter of convincing my collaborator as myself
 
alright
i'm trying to prove that if K is a subgroup of H and H is a subgroup of G the [G:H]=[G:H][H:K] this seems to be straightforward, because a group must have atleast one element. So does it suffice to show that [G:A] = o(G)/o(A)
?
 
10:52 PM
@user76284 As $N$ approaches infinity I'm looking for the value of $c$ that makes the sum converge to $N$
 
So $\sum_{k=2}^N (c^{\frac{1}{k \log k}} - 1) - 1 = 0$ as $N \rightarrow \infty$?
 
wait, why does the index have to be a quotient?
 
I don’t even remember what [G:H] is, so I can’t help
 
number of left cosets of H in G
 
@user76284 Why are you subtracting the ones?
 
10:56 PM
Gotcha
 
So there's only one $N$ in the whole expression.
$N = 1 + \sum_{k=2}^N 1$
 
I had to prove its a quotient but it doesn't seem to ever be a quotient, because isn't it a direct corollary from Lagranges Theorem?
 
So you're trying to solve $\sum_{k=2}^\infty (c^\frac{1}{k \log k} - 1) = 1$, right?
 
yeah @user76284
 
Problem: Assume $m(E) < \infty$. For $f \in L^\infty (E)$, show that $\lim_{p \to \infty} |f||_p = ||f||_\infty$. Proof: $||f||_p^p = \int_{E} |f|^p \le \int_{E} ||f||_\infty^p = ||f||_\infty^p m(E)$, so $||f||_p \le ||f||_\infty [m(E)]^{1/p}$ which implies $\lim_{p \to \infty} ||f||_p \le ||f||_{\infty}$...Not sure if this is legal, since, technically, I don't know that the limit exists, only that the sequence is bounded...
Even if I can work out that kink, how do I show that $||f||_{\infty} \le \lim_{p \to \infty} ||f||_p$?
 
11:14 PM
@Ultradark Not sure how to proceed. Perhaps you can post it as a question.
There may not be a closed form for $c$. You want to prove whether it's rational?
 
Yeah I want to prove that it's not rational
I might post it as a question
I think $c=1+\epsilon$
 
11:46 PM
I'm trying to prove that given $f(x) = x$ for rational $x$ and $f(x) = 0$ for irrational $x$ that $L(f,P) = 0$ for all partitions $P$ in $[0,1]$. Any hints?
It seems pretty clear that it's a result of density, but I want to explain it without being too hand wavey.
 

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