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6:00 PM
I hope they don't ask me to prove Zorn's Lemma from the Axiom of Choice
or any of the equivalences
narrator: that's what they're going to ask
 
Zorn => AC is pretty easy
you have to work a bit for AC => Zorn
I like the proof via the Bourbaki-Witt theorem
but then you have to introduce ordinals
 
oh we have ordinals
 
$\Bbb H^2 \times \Bbb R$ (can you also have): $\Bbb R^4 \times \Bbb C^2$ or is that not valid because Euclidean space is a subspace of complex space?
 
compute $\Gamma(\omega+1, \omega \cdot 2)$ where $\Gamma: \mathsf{Ord} \times \mathsf{Ord} \to \mathsf{Ord}$ is the standard pairing function
 
I don't know what standard ordinal pairing means
 
6:05 PM
you know the proof that $\alpha^2 = \alpha$?
 
wlog $\alpha=0$ or $\alpha=1$
 
correct
 
lol, what?
 
it's a sarcastic response to sarcasm
 
I don't know ordinal arithmetic
 
6:08 PM
for infinite cardinal $\kappa$ we have $\kappa^2 = \kappa$
guess I shouldn't have used $\alpha$
 
ah okay
I don't know a proof of that
 
@Ultradark see my post above
I need an upvote :)
 
for each ordinal $\alpha$ you well-order $\alpha \times \alpha$ by first comparing their max, and then the first coordinate, then the second @MatheinBoulomenos
 
I've spent forever typing that
 
@LeakyNun maybe they ask you to prove that "every nonempty set admits a group structure" is equivalent to AC
 
6:10 PM
is it
 
@Ultradark thx
:P
 
then you define $\Gamma: \alpha \times \alpha \to \mathsf{Ord}$ by sending $(\beta, \gamma)$ to the order type of the initial segment of $(\beta, \gamma)$ in $\alpha \times \alpha$
then you can glue them all together and it turns out that $\Gamma(\alpha,\alpha) = \alpha$ (you assume otherwise and choose the minimum counterexample)
so $\kappa^2 = \kappa$
 
I don't think I'll ever be good enough to say something regarding AC, lol
 
6:12 PM
how do you get a contradiction with a minimal counterexample?
 
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A: Does every non-empty set admit a group structure (in ZF)?

AshutoshIn ZF, the following are equivalent: (a) For every nonempty set there is a binary operation making it a group (b) Axiom of choice Non trivial direction [(a) $\to$ (b)]: The trick is Hartogs' construction which gives for every set $X$ an ordinal $\aleph(X)$ such that there is no injection from...

 
@LeakyNun this doesn't work for all ordinals
 
@MatheinBoulomenos oh I mean $\Gamma(\kappa,\kappa) = \kappa$ I think
I'll let @AlessandroCodenotti take over as my test is starting soon
 
@Ultradark would you like to publish a paper with me, ring-theoretic smallest grammar? Lots of basic facts can be worked out with basic AA understanding
 
can't you just well-order $\alpha \times \alpha$ lexicographically?
 
6:15 PM
but that doesn’t work for the proof
 
@ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond possibly, can you email me an abstract of the paper?
 
What's the question/proof to be done exactly?
 
no wait, lexicographic order won't be well-ordered
 
@AlessandroCodenotti was that question at me?
 
6:18 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos it is a well order
and what a nice proof using Hartog number
 
Always remember to be respectful everyone
 
no
 
Usually you order by max first so that you when you think about it as a well order of $\mathsf{Ord}\times\mathsf{Ord}$ the initial segments are set sized
 
and they glue together
@AlessandroCodenotti now compute the order type of (w+1,w•2) :p
 
6:30 PM
set theory is so spooky
 
Nah
Today in the set theory seminar I learned a nice equivalent of CH that I didn't know about
 
henlo
 
and it is? @AlessandroCodenotti
 
There exist an uncountable family $F$ of entire functions such that $\{f(z)\mid f\in F\}$ is countable for every $z\in\Bbb C$
 
hello @ÍgjøgnumMeg
 
6:32 PM
Hiya @Mathein
we started talking about the full modular group today
 
my favorite set theory is ZFC+ there exist a Reinhardt cardinal. That makes proofs very easy
 
It's kind of a natural question after noting that the following are theorems of ZFC: "there exist an uncountable family $F$ of smooth functions $\Bbb R\to\Bbb R$ such that $\{f(x)\mid f\in F\}$ has at most two elements for every $x\in\Bbb R$", "If a family $F$ of entire functions has the property that $\{f(z)\mid f\in F\}$ is finite for every $z\in\Bbb C$, then $F$ is finite"
@MatheinBoulomenos That's a good point
Also "If $F$ is an uncountable family of polynomials, then $\{f(z)\mid f\in F\}$ is uncountable for all $z\in \Bbb C$ except at most finitely many"
 
@ÍgjøgnumMeg so still Möbius transformations? :P
 
yeah
showed that the cusps of $\operatorname{SL}_2(\Bbb Z)$ are $\Bbb Q \cup \lbrace \infty\rbrace$
 
and $\mathrm{SL}_2(\Bbb Z)$ acts transitively on those, so we basically have just one cusp
 
6:40 PM
nise
 
the statement is obvious since $\begin{pmatrix} a & b \\ c & d \end{pmatrix} \infty = \frac{a}{b}$ + Bezout's identity
 
yeah that's what's in the notes lol
 
this also implies that you have only finitely many cusps for any finite index subgroup of $\mathrm{SL}_2(\Bbb Z)$
 
Also none of the Übungsgruppen for Modular forms work for me :(
Are those the congruence subgroups that are gonna come up?
 
congruence subgroups are finite index
but not every finite index subgroup is a congruence subgroup
 
6:45 PM
ah okey
 
@ÍgjøgnumMeg looking forward to L-functions tomorrow
there's a good chance that we will see a prood of Dirichlet's prime number theorem
 
Yis! Dirichlet L-Functions
 
since Rösner said we were going to do Dirichlet L-functions
 
indeed
Sounds exciting :) I'll be spending the day going over notes and writing solutions
lol
@Mathein I didn't realise Banagl was Austrian! It was very refreshing to hear him speak on yesterday rofl
 
6:56 PM
he was getting impatient with some guy because he was going like "So for example $\Bbb R$ is open then?" and Banagl is like "no openness is relative" and he's like "yeah but the definition says $X$ is open so if $\Bbb R = X$ then $\Bbb R$ is open"
 
his voice was getting louder and louder lol
I would've been like "Oh okay thanks" immediately even if I didn't understand hahahaha
 
so you know the basics of topology now?
 
well I knew the things we talked about on Monday already
like the ultra basics rofl
I think I know the stuff up to the 18th of November
 
6:59 PM
I got the last copy of Munkres out of the library
so I'll be working through that lol
and I got one of the billion copies of Neukirch
rofl
 
can't have enough Neukirchs
 
aye
but all we've done in ANT so far is define integrality
which is one page in Neukirch
 
@MatheinBoulomenos test is 90 minutes long
 
@LeakyNun I only know $1/\omega^{\omega^\omega}$ logic
 
and started 30 minutes ago
 
7:11 PM
what?
 
a question was to find the “number” of subsets of aleph_1 with order type omega
do you drop the d’s and t’s in German?
 
no
but aleph_1 is just a cardinal, how do subsets have an order type?
 
like in the middle of a word?
well every cardinal is an ordinal
 
but not uniquely
or do you take the smallest one
 
we take the smallest ordinal with cardinality gegeben and call it a cardinal
but you do drop the e’s
so like mittel becomes mitt’l
 
7:17 PM
yeah
@LeakyNun okay
 
so aleph_1 is the set of all countable ordinals
 
that's spooky
 
isn't logic fun
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A: Does every non-empty set admit a group structure (in ZF)?

AshutoshIn ZF, the following are equivalent: (a) For every nonempty set there is a binary operation making it a group (b) Axiom of choice Non trivial direction [(a) $\to$ (b)]: The trick is Hartogs' construction which gives for every set $X$ an ordinal $\aleph(X)$ such that there is no injection from...

 
isn't this set theory?
 
have you read this?
 
7:19 PM
where is the logic?
 
ok yeah this is set theory
I called it logic because it's in the logic course
 
do you know how to prove that the set of ultrafilters on a set $X$ has cardinality $2^{2^{|X|}}$?
assuming $X$ is infinite
 
@MatheinBoulomenos no
 
So $\beta \Bbb N$ is very big
 
@LeakyNun I guess the maximum possible?
 
7:26 PM
how big? @MatheinBoulomenos
@AlessandroCodenotti that's not a cardinality
 
$2^{2^{\aleph_0}}$
 
2^aleph_1 is an obvious upper bound
 
That's pretty big, yep
 
well try not to guess :P
 
Theorem: If $X$ is non-empty, then $\exists x \in X$.
Proof: well-order $X$ and take the least element
 
7:29 PM
@LeakyNun Nah I have other things to think about now
 
ok
 
Alternative proof: Consider $X$ as a family indexed over the one-element set and apply the axiom of choice
this theorem is often used without proof
 
Alternative proof: every non-empty set has a group structure, now take the identity element
 
nice
Alternative proof: Prove it by induction for finite sets. For infinite sets, consider the theory of pointed sets, given by the signature of a 0-ary function $*$ and no relations. We have an infinite model $(\Bbb N,1)$. By Skolem-Löwenheim, there are models of every infinite cardinality.
 
excellent
@MatheinBoulomenos LS actually has the clause "arbitrarily large finite => infinite"
 
7:38 PM
ah
nice
@LeakyNun can we find more proofs that every non-empty set has an element that depend on choice?
 
@LeakyNun isn't that just compactness
 
@AlessandroCodenotti I guess
@MatheinBoulomenos consider X and {0}. by trichotomy, we have an injection f: X -> {0} or an injection g: {0} -> X. in the former case we can regard X as a subset of {0} and it is then trivial; in the latter case just pick g(0)
 
8:01 PM
hey nice folks !
I have an issue about distributions: if I have a function, f(x), and I have a gaussian probability distribution for x
then what if I multiply f(x) with this gaussian? does this gaussian*f(x) curve has a special name?
I would want to have a probability distribution curve for f(x) but I don't think that this gaussian*f(x) is that, because its integral does not evaluate to 1 in the range 0 infinity
 
8:27 PM
Hi I was recently in an interview and the definiteness of the matrix $X^TX$ came up. The interviewer stated that it is positive semi definite as this is a property of covariance matrices and $X^TX$ is the special covariance matrix, $cov(X,X)$
Im having some trouble seeing this
 
Given any set of $n$ regular convex polygons, can you algorithmically add irregular convex polygons to get a set of polygons that will tessellate the plane?
 
@Rithaniel Can't you simply do the following. Pick an equilateral triangle that is large enough to contain each and every one of those regular convex polygons. Then include whatever polygons you need to fill up the complement of any polygon within that equilateral triangle. And then you can tesselate the plane with those equilateral triangles. Done.
 
Huh, yeah, that does indeed work. I was trying to start by arranging polygons around a vertex
 
9:01 PM
hello, any idea to find $n_0$ such that for all $\varepsolilin>0$ $|\dfrac{n^2-n+2}{2n^2+3n+1} -1/2|<\varepsilon$
 
user432286
9:53 PM
Does someone knows something about this topic?
 
user432286
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Q: What is known about when the first $k>1$ consecutive composites occur?

DonkeyThe standard proof (or I think that´s a standard one) that we can have as much as we want consecutive composite numbers is to observe the numbers $n!+2,...,n!+n$, which are $n-1$ consecutive composite numbers which also means that there are arbitrarily large gaps between two consecutive primes. ...

 
Hey I am unsure as to what this question is asking me to do:
Given an interval of the form $(a, b)$ where $a < b$, find an expression for $(a, b)$ as $|x-c| < d$ involving only $a$ and $b$.
Would this suffice? $|a - b| < b$
 
10:39 PM
For a matrix to be diagonalizable must the eigenvectors always span the eigen space?
 
@genescuba take the example ((1,0),(0,0))
That’s diagonal but only has one eigenvector
 
Hmm, why is this diagonal. The diagonalization theorem says we have to have n linearly independent eigenvectors right, where $A$ is $n \times n$?
 
@genescuba what definition of psd are you using? There’s a few, and while they’re equivalent the proof will look different depending on that
@genescuba it’s diagonal because it’s a diagonal matrix
Zero except on diagonal etc
 
Oh right, but won't you get two eigenvectors for this?
 
Try it
 
10:45 PM
Yes I got (1,0) and (0,1) as my eigen vectors
my eigen values are 0,1
 
Huh. Guess my brain is failing me
 
My question is essentially I know that the diagonalization theorem is:
The diagonalization theorem states that an $n \times n$ matrix $A$ is diagonalizable if and only if $A$ has $n$ linearly independent eigenvectors, i.e., if the matrix rank of the matrix formed by the eigenvectors is $n$
Is this equivalent to saying that the eigenvectors form a basis for the eigenspace (aka span the eigenspace)?
 
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