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22:00
Hi @Ted
Thank you so much!
Wait what? Lol.
@TedShifrin That's the opposite of what I want
Oh, wait I'm stupid. Nevermind.
Thanks again :)
22:30
hi @MatheinBoulomenos
here ?
Hey everyone
Hey @Daminark
Hi @Adeek @Daminark
hey
22:37
How's it going?
pretty well, except that I have an exam in 9 hours and I won't do well
What's it about? @Mathein
modular forms
Sounds tough.
it's not that I don't understand the subject conceptually
I'm just really bad at remembering formulas
22:39
Ah, is this exam going to be more "computational" than not?
I don't know
it's an oral exam and I could be asked anything from the lecture
hi, demonic @Alessandro
Ah, I see.
hi, Demonark, Karim, Fargle, loch, Mathein ... whew
22:40
Heya @Ted, how're you?
About to send myself to the kitchen to do some cooking, Fargle :)
for example, the beautiful Fourier expansion of the Poincare series:
$$P_n(z)=\sum_{m \geq 1}\left[\delta_{m,n} + 2\pi \cdot (-1)^{\frac k2} \cdot \left(\frac mn\right)^{\frac {k-1}2} \cdot \sum_{c \geq 1} \left( \frac 1c \cdot \left(\sum_{\substack{d (\operatorname{mod} c) \\ (c,d)=1} \\ d \bar{d} \equiv 1 \pmod c} e^{2\pi i \frac{md + n\bar{d}}{c}} \right)\cdot \left(\frac{2\pi \sqrt{mn}}c\right) ^{k-1} \sum_{\ell \geq 0} \frac{\left( -\left(\frac{2\pi \sqrt{mn}}c\right) \right)^\ell}{\ell! (k-1+\ell)!} \right)\right]e^{2\pi i m}$$
does anyone know what an envelope is?
something you put a letter into?
yes, I know
What's on the menu? @Ted
22:41
@Mathein I feel like they'd need a stenographer if they wanted someone to say that formula out loud, lol
making an eggplant/garlic/walnut appetizer and salade niçoise for tomorrow
@Mathein: Surely you can't be expected to be memorizing much.
@Ted yeah, I'll see how it works out
Yo Ted
Sounds pretty fancy! Buon appetito
Hi @Dami
Alessandro, I be a good cook :P
22:46
ted i mean an envelope as a math term
My daughter and I are planning on making cupcakes this evening.
It's something you put a printed out math paper into
We'll see how that goes.
Her knife skills are pretty good, but I have not done much baking with her (backing sucks... too much like chemistry, and I don't do chemistry).
yes, @geocalc, I know ... isn't that google-able?
@geocalc33 I know injective envelops
but that's probably not what you mean
22:48
If you have a family of curves, the envelope is tangent to some curve in that family at each point.
(Apologies in advance for being a little bit of an ass, but:) @geocalc33 lmgtfy.com/?q=envelope+math
For example, @geocalc, if you take the curve for parameter $t$ to be the line $(\cos t)x+(\sin t)y = 1$, draw the pictures and tell me what you think the envelope is.
@TP_1: Yes, and there are lots of answers there ...
@TedShifrin That is a nice example!
@Xander: I pulled it out of my multivariable math book. I have three nice examples :P
Exercise on the implicit function theorem :P
22:51
@TedShifrin what theorem is it? so that I can google it for more info
Nifty. I'll have to look at that.
@TedShifrin This book?
@TP_1: It's not a named theorem. But it's a correct result. As the answers posted indicate, if the function were positive somewhere, because it's continuous, it would have to be positive near that point and hence would have positive integral.
@TedShifrin Oh wow, I do like that example.
@Xander: Yuppers. Hopefully it's in your library?
My personal library? Let's say... not yet?
22:52
@Fargle: if you sketch the lines, the envelope should be evident. Now prove it :P
But my institution has a copy, it seems.
no, no, @Xander, I meant Riverside's.
I'm going to have to brave the heat tomorrow to go have a look. :)
Yeah, a former student of mine is riding his motorcycle from Arizona to here tomorrow, planning to go on to Baja on Saturday. I think he's insane, but he claims he has appropriate equipment to be safe.
You're student is a crazy person. Also, it looks like there is a digital version, so I just have to log into the VPN, and won't have to brave the 115°F heat!
Yay!
22:55
@TedShifrin Done and done. :D
@Fargle: It's a cool exercise with the implicit function theorem to see what the sufficient condition for existence of the envelope is ... and to apply the theorem.
Oh, interesting, @Xander. Does UCR digitize old books?
Hrm... they say that there is a digital copy / "ebook", but I can't figure out how to access it.
Oh, the publishers hadn't told me they had done an e-book. At least, I don't remember it. We just did a corrected printing a year ago or so.
(After my trying to get them to do that for 10 years or so.)
Ha!
No, it seems that UCR doesn't have access to the eBook
I'll have to go to the library. Drat. It is hot.
This is hardly urgent.
22:59
@TedShifrin I guess I'd need to go back to your book, then, lol. I just abused the fact that the unit tangent vector on the parametrization of the circle by (cos t, sin t) is (-sin t, cos t), and then found that the line spanned by that tangent vector at a given point (cos t, sin t) of the circle is exactly characterized by $(\cos t)x + (\sin t)y = 1$.
What kind of cupcakes are you guys making?
Chocolate. With chocolate frosting.
Because we are boring people.
(and because I don't want to do anything complicated right now)
Fair enough, Fargle. You'd see it from the picture, too. The neat thing is that there's a recipe for the envelope of a family of curves $f(\vec x,t)=0$. It's given by the equations $f(\vec x,t) = \frac{\partial f}{\partial t}(\vec x,t) = 0$. That's the point of the exercise.
I did draw the picture. You'd be proud.
Yippee :)
Make me one with chocolate/hazelnut, please, @Xander.
23:02
No hazelnuts at the moment, but we to have Nutella.
I wonder if I'm asked the proof where we spend about 3 lectures computing integrals
Also, I just figured out how to do something fun in Desmos: desmos.com/calculator/2hn8agmznr
That stuff is too sweet for me, but it might work in the dough ... definitely could do frosting with it.
@Mathein: I would adopt the premise that they're going to be reasonable and test understanding, not rote memorization.
@TedShifrin Ah, I see. The envelope of the family can be gotten by finding a curve which locally "stays on" whatever curve in the family it's tangent to at that point, hence the partial derivative condition.
23:03
@TedShifrin I sure hope so...
Nice!
I am planning on a chocolate cream cheese frosting with a little bit of coffee.
Oh, my people are home! Time to go cook!
later.
@Fargle: So can you use the chain rule to prove that those conditions give precisely the condition for tangency to the appropriate curve?
See ya, Xander.
Since Fargle did geocalc's exercise, I'll have to give him a different one. :)
@TedShifrin can this be simplified? dividing two integrals (difference is only cosine and sine) math.stackexchange.com/questions/2629594/…
23:05
I would be fine with remembering every proof and statement in an algebra course, but in the modular forms course, a lot of proofs were just huge computations that I don't really find intuitive
@TP_1: I have no idea. It looks horrendous to me.
@TedShifrin Hmm. That, I'll have to think on a bit longer.
@Mathein: But, regardless, that shouldn't be the point of a reasonable oral exam.
@Fargle: You know I'm always a meanie.
@TedShifrin yeah the thing is I know the prof and he's a fan of computations
Meanness engenders precision.
23:07
@TedShifrin are there any theorems in dividing two integrals?
Hi, I posted this question recently and I would like to know if this is a bad question or not. If it's a bad question, I will take it down.
If the exam is 9 hours away those would be better spent sleeping than learning huge formulas, but that's just my opinion
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Q: Does this Approach to Confirm if a Collatz Rule Will Reach Infinity or Not Have any Value?

Griffon Theorist697The original Collatz function is defined as the following: $$f(x)= \begin{cases} 3x+1, & \text{if $x$ is odd} \\ x/2, & \text{if $x$ is even} \end{cases}$$ However, I am more interested if the following modified rule can be proven to sometimes wander off to infinity or not: $$f(x)= \begin{cas...

I am, too, @Mathein, but not ridiculous ones that the professor himself can't replicate without notes.
@AlessandroCodenotti that sounds right
but I need to learn more stuff
23:08
@TP_1: Other than a basic mean value theorem for integrals, none that I know.
Hey sorry I was out @AlessandroCodenotti but yo
I'm leaving to sleep now so bye @Dami :P
Night, @Alessandro.
Rip
See you
@TedShifrin the prof is an expert on modular forms (his papers are refered to by Shimura, among other things) and he gave most lectures without any notes (no idea how he does that)
23:10
LOL. I still wouldn't freak if I were you.
buona notte! @AlessandroCodenotti
yeah I'm not really freaking out or anything. The grade doesn't really matter, as I'm just doing this course for fun basically
Is it his style to ask you to regurgitate proofs rather than computing an exercise or example?
Generally, the latter shows more understanding.
I only had one oral exam by him before, that was on complex analysis 2. He asked vague questions like "What do you know about the Gamma function?", then I mentioned some stuff and sometimes he asked for proofs but he was happy with me just giving the proof ideas
but there are a lot of proofs in this course that I can't really distill down to some ideas. Some proofs are just "well, you work it out by 2 pages of computations"
23:15
I would skip those.
Unless by the end of the course a "main idea" has become clear. There are some technical results in every field, where one doesn't ever see an important main idea. To me, those aren't good things for exams.
I'm going to cook. Good luck on your exam. I'm sure you'll do fine.
thanks! have fun cooking
23:28
@Mathein ah that definitely takes off a bit of stress
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