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12:16 AM
Oh I think it doesn't matter, $\Bbb F$ is invariant anyway, so every irreducible polynomial of degree $f$ splits in the big field
 
are yo there @leaky?
 
no
 
anyone seen Balarka lately?
 
:)
do you use the softare maxima?
 
no
 
12:34 AM
@MatheinBoulomenos Let $\Sigma$ be the set of irreducible polynomials over $\Bbb F$ of degree $p$. Let $K/\Bbb F$ be deg $p$ field extension. Every $f \in \Sigma$ splits in $K$. Let $\sim$ be the conjugation relation in $K \setminus \Bbb F$, and let $C = (K \setminus \Bbb F)/\sim$. Let $\sim'$ be the relation in $\Sigma$ that relates polynomials that are equal up to multiplication of a constant in $\Bbb F$, and let $P = \Sigma/\sim'$. Then, $C$ and $P$ are in bijection, so $|C|=|P|$.
summary of the above
 
12:48 AM
hi @loch
@MatheinBoulomenos @loch what the actual
 
1:38 AM
hello
 
2:05 AM
@MatheinBoulomenos is it true that if $L$ is the splitting field of $f \in K[X]$ then $|\operatorname{Aut}(L/K)| = $ number of roots of $f$ in $L$?
 
2:26 AM
@LeakyNun no
 
why not?
 
Take $K=\mathbb{Q}$, $f=x^3-2$. Then $L$ contains $K[X]/(x^3-2)$ as a proper subfield - which has degree $3$.

$L/K$ is Galois, so $Aut(L/K) = Gal(L/K)$ has size equal to $[L:K] > 3$ (Tower law). But of course $f$ only has 3 roots.
 
What is the definition of Gal, if not as Aut?
 
I think some people like using Gal only when the extension is Galois
 
I see
Let $SO(3)/V_4 = S^3/Q_8 = F$, the space of full flags of subspaces of $\Bbb R^3$. $H_1 F = (\Bbb Z/2)^2$. Is there an obvious embedding of $F$ into $S^4$?
Apparently this is the only manifold that can arise as the boundary of a tubular neighborhood of an embedded $\Bbb{RP}^2$ in $S^4$
The normal bundle is the rank 2 unoriented vector bundle over $\Bbb{RP}^2$ with Euler class 4. I wonder if there is some "twisted double" you can take of the unit disc bundle that gives rise to $S^4$
 
2:40 AM
so what is everyone up to this fine evening?
 
LOL
"last digit of 1/3"
that one makes me chuckle
 
$$\frac13=0.333\dots7$$
 
in actuality I'm pretty sure that questions about the "last digit of x" almost always end up being equivalent to a non-real infinitesimal.
but dont bother asking which
this gets in the realm of things that cannot be computed
(supposedly even for humans)
 
Gonna sound weird, but if a vector field $\vec{v}(t)$ is irrotational, then does there necessarily exist another function $\vec{V}(t)$ such that $\vec{v}(t) = \frac{d\vec{V}}{dt}$?
 
3:05 AM
@SirCumference Nope, this is precisely the difference between "irrotational" and "conservative".
 
@MikeMiller Welp, just realized I should've said conservative
 
You need to know that the integral of $v(t)$ around any loop is zero. You can cook up irrotational vector fields with no antiderivatives on eg $\Bbb R^2 \setminus \{0\}$.
 
Yeah I need to be more mindful of the difference. But for conservative fields, is this true?
 
That's how I would define conservative. :) You define it as "integral is path-independent"?
 
Yep, or that it has a scalar potential for which it is the gradient, etc.
 
3:07 AM
The second thing is precisely what you're asking
 
Yeah
Well, what I care about more is if what I said is true, and if we can always construct an autonomous system $\vec{v} = \vec{F}(\vec{V})$ as well in this case.
 
 
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4:31 AM
Intuitively, completeness implies that there are not any “gaps” (in Dedekind's terminology) or “missing points” in the real number line. This contrasts with the rational numbers, whose corresponding number line has a “gap” at each irrational value. In the decimal number system, completeness is equivalent to the statement that any infinite string of decimal digits is actually a decimal representation for some real number. Depending on the construction of the real numbers used, completeness may take the form of an axiom (the completeness axiom), or may be a theorem proven from the construction. There...
To be investigated: In particular, if we expand Cauchy sequences into Cauchy nets, will that imply the field is nonarchimedian
In the mathematical field of topology, a uniform space is a set with a uniform structure. Uniform spaces are topological spaces with additional structure that is used to define uniform properties such as completeness, uniform continuity and uniform convergence. The conceptual difference between uniform and topological structures is that, in a uniform space, one can formalize certain notions of relative closeness and closeness of points. In other words, ideas like "x is closer to a than y is to b" make sense in uniform spaces. By comparison, in a general topological space, given sets A,B it ...
 
4:56 AM
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Q: I'm trying to find either a subset or superset of the set of step functions that has a certain closure requirement.

The Great DuckThe definition for step functions can be read here. I will refine that definition slightly and say that I am referring to functions that can have finite or infinite many pieces. This is mentioned in the first paragraph when comparing piecewise constant functions to step functions. I mostly just p...

@Secret you might be able to answer this?
 
5:09 AM
let's see...
 
@Secret im heading off for the night
 
5:30 AM
If $C_1, C_2$ are piecewise constant and $f_1,f_2$ are any piecewise continuous functions, then $C_1(f_1), C_2(f_2)$ will still be piecewise constant (since $f_1,,f_2$ basically picks out a union of intervals as the domain for $C_1,C_2$ and see they are piecewise constant, it follows they are arbitrary unions of interval indicator functions, and a restriction to the domain consisting of a union of intervals will still give you a piecewise constant function in the domain)
The issue however is if $g$ is arbitrary, then you basically have an infinite set of points fed into it which is the range R of the Cs (and then you have a problem. If the Cs are arbitrary piecewise constant function, then there is nothing to e.g. prevent the interval indicator functions that made up it to form e.g. the cantor set, and thus $g(R)$ is not even continuous let along piecewise constant)
@TheGreatDuck So you actually need something slightly stronger than piecewise constant to prevent the range to form a dense set for example, in order to avoid $g$ ceased to be continuous
I am also puzzled why $g(C_1,C_2)$ is not enough, and need $C_1(f_1),C_2(f_2)$
Definition: A piecewise constant function $C$ is a function made of arbitrary unions of interval indicator functions $1_{I}$
That is, given a family of intervals $\mathcal{I} = \{[a_i,b_i)\}_{i \in I}$ we have:
$$C = \bigcup_{I \in \mathcal{I}}1_I$$
 
5:55 AM
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Q: Non-constant continuous function that is locally constant almost everywhere

MyopicFind an example of a continuous function $f: [0,1] \to [0,1]$ such that: $f(0) = 0$ $f(1) = 1$ $f$ is locally constant almost everywhere I know I need to come up with a function that fails to be locally constant on some subset of $[0,1]$ which has measure zero, but I'm struggling to see how a...

 
6:13 AM
Let $I$ be an interval, with endpoints $a,b \in \Bbb{R}$. Define interval indicator function as follows:
$$1_I(x) = \begin{cases}c, x \in I \\\ 0, x \not\in I\end{cases}$$
where $c \in \Bbb{R}$
Let $\mathcal{I} = \{I_j\}_{j \in J}$ be a pairwise disjoint collection of intervals and $J$ be a linearly ordered index set
such that $\bigcup \mathcal{I} = \Bbb{R}$
Now a step function $\Pi$ is defined as:
$$\Pi(x) = \bigcup_{I \in \mathcal{I}} 1_{I}$$
where $|\mathcal{I}| < \aleph_0$
We can now proceed to define a piecewise constant function as:
$$C(x) = \bigcup_{I \in \mathcal{I}} 1_{I}$$
where $|\mathcal{I}| \geq \aleph_0$
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Q: Completion of the space of piecewise-constant functions on $[0,1]$

MathPipeLet $L$ be the space of piecewise-constant functions on $[0,1]\subset \mathbb{R}$ equipped with the supremum norm (i.e. step functions). What is the completion of this space? We discussed in my class that all metric spaces have (unique) completion, but the proof of existence using equivalence cl...

Using the above definition, a piecewise constant function is in general locally constant almost everywhere
(in the usual topology of the reals)
Therefore, the cantor function is also piecewise constant under this definition
as the points where it is not locally constant is a subset of the cantor set, which is measure zero, hence the cantor function is locally constant almost everywhere
In mathematics, the Smith–Volterra–Cantor set (SVC), fat Cantor set, or ε-Cantor set is an example of a set of points on the real line ℝ that is nowhere dense (in particular it contains no intervals), yet has positive measure. The Smith–Volterra–Cantor set is named after the mathematicians Henry Smith, Vito Volterra and Georg Cantor. The Smith-Volterra-Cantor set is topologically equivalent to the middle-thirds Cantor set. == Construction == Similar to the construction of the Cantor set, the Smith–Volterra–Cantor set is constructed by removing certain intervals from the unit interval [0, 1]. The...
Therefore, a cantor function like function based on the fat cantor set is not piecewise constant since the points where it is not locally constant has positive measure, and hence violate the criteria to be almost
Proposition 1: Let $f$ be any real function that is continuous almost everywhere, and let $C$ be a piecewise constant function. Then $C(f)$ is piecewise constant in the subspace topology of the reals
Proof: Since $f$ is continuous almost everywhere, its range defines a collection of pairwise disjoint intervals such that their union is an interval $K$ minus a set of measure zero $Z$. Now the range of $C(f)$ is given by $C((K-Z) \cap \Bbb{R})$
Now, by definition, $C$ is locally constant almost everywhere. Let that set where it is not locally constant be $Z_2$. Thus the domain of $C$ consists of the reals partitioned into collection of intervals and $Z_2$
Meanwhile $K-Z$ is also a partition of an interval $K$ into collection of intervals and $Z$
 
7:19 AM
The intersection of these two sets will introduce exclusion in the domain that result in some intervals of the resulting domain to be separated by points not in the domain. and this set of points excluded from $\Bbb{R}$ in the domain is given by the union $Z \cup Z_2$. Since the union of two measure zero sets is also measure zero, it follows the set of points of $C(f)$ that is not locally constant is also of measure zero, and locally constant otherwise in the subspace topology.
Therefore $C(f)$ is piecewise constant in the subspace topology
Corollary 1: Let $C_1, C_2$ be piecewise constant. Then $C_1(C_2)$ is also piecewise constant in the subspace topology
Proof: The range of $C_2$ is given by an arbitrary union of singletons $S = \bigcup_x \{x\}$. Therefore under the subspace topology, all singletons are open and thus the subspace topology is the discrete topology in $S$ and thus $C_1(C_2)$ is locally constant everywhere hence piecewise constant
(pathological I know...)
In mathematics, a regulated function, or ruled function, is a certain kind of well-behaved function of a single real variable. Regulated functions arise as a class of integrable functions, and have several equivalent characterisations. Regulated functions were introduced by Georg Aumann in 1954; the corresponding regulated integral was promoted by the Bourbaki group, including Jean Dieudonné. == Definition == Let X be a Banach space with norm || - ||X. A function f : [0, T] → X is said to be a regulated function if one (and hence both) of the following two equivalent conditions holds true...
Ok I have no idea
 
::clap, clap, clap::
:-)
 
7:46 AM
hmm... actually, I think my proof should start with the nicest cases, and then use explosive generalisation to prove the most pathological cases step by step, that should make the proof easier
 
8:12 AM
Proposition 0
Let $0$ be the zero function. Then $0(0)$ is constant
Proof: By definition $0 : \Bbb{R} \to \{0\}$. Hence $1_{\varnothing} = 0$ and thus we have:
$$0(x) = 1_{\varnothing}(x) = \begin{cases} c, x \in \varnothing \\ 0, x \not\in \varnothing\end{cases}$$
and hence the conclusion follows
Proposition 0.1
Let $f$ be any function. Then $0(f)$ is constant.
Proof: By definition of $0$
Proposition 0.2
Let $f$ be any function. Then $f(0)$ is locally constant in the subspace topology
Proof(?): Actually, does locally constant even make sense when the range is a singleton...?
Proof2: The subspace topology of $\{0\}$ in the usual topology of $\Bbb{R}$ is given by:
$$\tau_{\{0\}} = \{\{0\}, \varnothing \cap I\} = \{\varnothing, \{0\}\}$$ where $I \subseteq \Bbb{R}$ are intervals.
Thus $\tau_{\{0\}}$ is trivial and thus $f(0)$ is locally constant since $\{0\}$ is a nieghbourhood of $0$
This is a very trivial result to the point of not useful, which suggests we need to modify the definitions to exclude Proposition 0.2 to be proved
hmm...
This means, we want locally constant to be defined in the usual topology of $\Bbb{R}$ and not in subspaces
 
8:37 AM
@LeakyNun yes that's correct
 
ok, so things quickly get out of control when the function contains a cluster point
So the set of all piecewise constant functions cannot be closed under composition in general
(Here I only have used a Heaviside step function and changing its argument to illustrate how easy one can get a nowhere continuous function when the function contains a $\omega$ accumulation point)
 
@MatheinBoulomenos yay
 
8:52 AM
So, the first step to construct such a set is to ensure the jump discontinuities does not have an $\omega$-accumulation point
Thus we now have:
 
i didn't understand what in blue
 
Thus, we actually need to exclude any function whose image has a $\omega$-accumulation point
 
9:15 AM
in The h Bar, Jun 12 at 18:00, by Balarka Sen
vzn will paradigm shift you
 
9:34 AM
Hey everyone Hi.
I'm studying with Evan's PDE (which is famous) in chapter calculus of variations. But it is too boring. So is there any good stuff to read about calculus of variations?
Hello? Nobody?
 
9:58 AM
Ill leave for dinner. Plz tag me when you reply!
 
10:25 AM
(2 days left before our state in Australia will be melted by overheated unions)
 
 
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12:09 PM
A quick question: Take a formula in first order logic in prenex nf and take its matrix, is the string you get always a propositional logic formula?
 
 
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1:54 PM
Counting zeta zeros.
Riemann zeta zeros.
 
It seemed to tend towards a staircase function
 
@Secret It should tend to a staircase function.
 
@Secret @MatsGranvik only if there is no continuous interval consisting of nothing but 0.
 
@TheGreatDuck Where would that be, interval consisting of zero?
 
2:03 PM
Forgive me, but I don't understand.
 
he said its a function counting 0's?
 
2:19 PM
The new way = avoid minus signs
 
@Secret i do not understand this "new way"
 
You keep adding stuff to 12 until you get 32, thus the stuff is being added is the result of the difference.
That is: It is basically rewriting the equation as: 12+ stuff =32 and you objective is to find stuff
 
ok
and while we are at it
let's add by counting
it totally works every time!
 
I am not going to spend 20 mins adding from 12 to 32 lol
 
no
i mean
12 + 32
just count 12 numbers past 32
44
XD
im just making fun of it that's all
it's a movie
it doesnt have to make any sense
 
2:52 PM
Anyway
Step(Step) is not even a step function, thus step functions are not closed under compositions
 
3:05 PM
@Secret can you give the simple counter example for reference?
i have to go now
 
Let H be heaviside function. Then H(H) is basically 1 at {1} and zero everywhere
 
im curious if one could lump them into to close the set without inviting all functions into the set
@Secret let's just suppose such functions are also in the set
 
6 hours ago, by Secret
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Then you will be allowing some really non step function looking functions inside such set
 
ok
is f(x) = x in the set?
and i have to go
im curious to what extent the set gets messy
 
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Q: Completion of the space of piecewise-constant functions on $[0,1]$

MathPipeLet $L$ be the space of piecewise-constant functions on $[0,1]\subset \mathbb{R}$ equipped with the supremum norm (i.e. step functions). What is the completion of this space? We discussed in my class that all metric spaces have (unique) completion, but the proof of existence using equivalence cl...

 
3:07 PM
A quick question: Take a formula in first order logic in prenex nf and take its matrix, is the string you get always a propositional logic formula?
 
is it "all functions" or just some really weird set
 

  Logic

This room is meant for discussion about logic, including found...
 
@Secret thanks!
 
@TheGreatDuck The link say it is something called regulated functions, which is basically piecewise continuous and there exists sequences of step functions converging to them under some banach space norm
I don't fully understood the details
 
3:25 PM
Hello!!

Why can we define implicitly from the equation $x^3-3x+2+ye^y=0$ a function $y=f(x)$ on $\mathbb{R}$ ?

When we use the implicit function theorem, do we not get that the above holds in a subset of $\mathbb{R}$ ?
 
3:41 PM
you're right, that's very sketchy. where did you see this ?
 
Hi all
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Q: “ L'Hospital's equation “ : $ \frac{f’(x)}{g’(x)} = H(\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}) $

mickInspired by L'Hosopital I started considering “ L'Hospital's equations “ Let $x$ be real and for all $ x > s $ we have $f(x),g(x)$ map to the reals. Let $*^{(n)} $ denote the $n$ th derivative. $n$ is a strict positive integer. Then L'Hospital's equations are $$ \frac{f^{(n)}(x)}{g^{(n)}(x)...

 
It dies not exist
 
@mercio This is an exercise statement.
 
3:59 PM
mick: Sounds interesting. I guess one of the things you can check is under what H is the equation a separable ODE. I amalso thinking about whether there is a nice change of variable that involves the f'/g' term
 
What are vectors?
 
That's an awfully broad question. what exactly do you want to know?
 
It is? I mean the basics I guess
 
perhaps unsatisfactorily, a vector is an element of a vector space
 
4:05 PM
that is an awfully broad answer
 
@Secret ...
 
a vector is an element of a module over a field
 
@AlessandroCodenotti that's the answer given in the last video of the playlist
@MatheinBoulomenos did you see the article I linked
 
@LeakyNun which article?
 
@LeakyNun Well uh, we have broad questions, so it follows its complement broad answers, exists (and your video is fine, I am just semijoking on alessandro's)
 
4:06 PM
15 hours ago, by Leaky Nun
@MatheinBoulomenos @loch what the actual
 
@MatheinBoulomenos ...
 
@LeakyNun this is neat
This reminds me, for finite-dimensional vector spaces in characteristic 0 you can also prove that dimension is well-defined by using tensors
Consider the identity as an element of $V^* \otimes_K V$, then apply the natural bilinear pairing $V^* \times V \to K, (\xi,v) \mapsto \xi(v)$, which gives us the trace of the identity matrix, i.e. the dimension of the vector space
 
4:28 PM
Determine all polynomials $f(x)$ with integer coefficients such that $f(x^2) \equiv f(x)^2 \mod (x^{2^n}+1)$
 
4:48 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos nice
 
Well what is N?
 
@MatheinBoulomenos how does the linear functional acting on a vector give you the trace? I guess im confused about that map you defined
Are you using the univerasal property of tensor product spaces?
 
@NicholasRoberts yes, I'm using it to extend the bilinear map $V^* \times V \to K$ to a linear map $V^* \otimes_K V \to K$
 
hi @Mathein
 
hi @Ted
 
4:59 PM
It comes down to how the isomorphism $V^* \otimes_K V \cong \operatorname{Hom}_K(V,V)$ works, but you can even view this as the abstract definition of the trace
 
oh, and Leaky
 
Hi @Ted
 

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