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12:28 AM
@GFauxPas
it turns out the group we were talking about isn't an abelian group
 
1:14 AM
Why
 
because
I was thinking about the wrong inverses
the inverse of $ e^{\frac{s}{\log x}} $ would be $ e^{\frac{-s}{\log x}} $
how do you write a summation
in here
 
\sum i.e.
\sum_{k=0}^{n} f(k) gives $\sum_{k=0}^{n} f(k) $
\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{n} f(k) gives $\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{n} f(k)$
 
$ \displaystyle \sum_{k=1}^{n} 1/k^s $
okay
thanks
 
2:00 AM
anyone still here
can anyone tell me what this mapping means? $ \varphi_x: s\mapsto \zeta(s)^{1\over\log x} $
 
2:38 AM
for each $x$ (where does $x$ live? you haven't specified) there is a map $\varphi_x$ defined by the formula $\varphi_x(s) = \zeta(x)^{\frac{1}{\log(x)}}$.
presumably, $x > 0$ is real, and $s\in\mathbb{C}$?
basically, you have a family of functions indexed by $x$
 
@XanderHenderson
$x$ lives everywhere except $1$
also you should have $ \zeta(s) $ instead of $ \zeta(x) $
so yeah it's a class of functions, and yeah $ s\in\mathbb{C} $, and $ x > 0 $
but is it a useful mapping
ca c'est la question
 
3:02 AM
@rsadhvika hi
 
3:46 AM
"everywhere"
that doesn't mean anything
is it real? complex? a five dimensional vector? a quaternion? a $p$-adic number?
if it is real, what do you do with negative reals?
which branch of log have you chosen?
 
@geocalc33 Why are you still playing with this?
 
I'm studying this function
 
Didn't someone define this function from your loose description a week or so ago?
It'd be more time efficient for you to learn from some rigorous textbook, and then come back to thinking about it?
 
No I defined it
 
Jun 9 at 23:35, by geocalc33
map the integers to the integer values of a zeta function
I mean this conversation
 
4:01 AM
I defined like a year ago and have been studying it
 
I am so confused. Why are you asking others what it means, if you have been studying it for a year?
 
To see what others think
 
4:15 AM
I know it's important for something I just haven't found it yet
 
4:26 AM
Why do you think that?
 
 
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6:03 AM
hmm
after a week of work finally I can state the theorem in Lean
@MatheinBoulomenos @loch
 
Hey @BalarkaSen. How have you been?
 
6:42 AM
[Random]
Compute the following:
$2^{Beaver(4)}$
Also recall that Beaver eats fish, thus:
$2^{beaver(4)}fish = 2^{Beaver(4)}$
Now, consider the following:
$d(x,y) \geq 0$
$d(x,y) = 0 \iff x=y$
$d(x,y)=d(y,x)$
$d(x,z) \leq d(x,y) + d(y,z)$
For all $U$ covers $X$, there exists $V \subset U$ such that $|V| < \infty$
alternately: Every subnet is convergent
$X$ is a union of any $U_1,U_2$ open, and $U_1 \cap U_2 \neq \varnothing$
Mar 31 at 4:36, by Forever Mozart
If $X$ is a continuum (compact connected metric space), $p\in X$, and every two points of $X\setminus \{p\}$ are contained in a nowhere dense subcontinuum of $X$, then is there a nowhere dense subcontinuum $N$ with $p\in N$ and $|N|>1$?
Nowhere dense: int(cl(Y)) is empty
cl(Y) = Y U lim Y
 
7:07 AM
Open balls: $d(x,y) \leq r$
Let $B_r$ be an open ball of radius r
Then X cannot be decomposed into disjoint open balls or the disjoint unions of the unions of open balls
 
hey folks does anyone know an online editor that has a similar feel and functionality to math.se's question bodys? I.E. you write your LaTeX into it and it auto-renders, making line breaks and scrolling nicely
also apologies I have terrible wifi, so my responses will be super choppy and delayed
 
7:32 AM
@ParthKohli So and so. What about you
 
8:05 AM
There is no function continuous function from $[-1,1]$ onto $\Bbb R$, right?
 
8:19 AM
how's so, under the open interval topology, R is clopen and [-1,1] is closed
In fact, $\tan (\frac{x}{\pi})$ and its inverse will do
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Q: Are all continuous functions from a closed interval to $\mathbb R$ bounded?

MambaFor all continuous functions it is true that $f:[a,b] \mapsto \mathbb{R}$ (with $a < b$) is bounded from above. The question is to use the opposite position of that statement as well as to use the Weierstrass Interval technique for a suitable sequence. Could somebody please provide a nice expla...

 
@Secret I derived that from continuous image of compact domain is compact.
 
yup, and both [-1,1] and R are compact
 
8:35 AM
@Secret No, the reals is not compact
 
Heyo. How does the linear isomorphism $\operatorname{Hom}(H\otimes V\otimes V^*, H)\cong \operatorname{End}(H)\otimes V\otimes V^*$ work? (everything is finite-dimensional vector spaces).
From right to left, we can assign to an arbitrary element $f\otimes v\otimes \gamma$ the linear map which does: $h\otimes \tilde{v}\otimes\tilde{\gamma}\mapsto \gamma(\tilde{v})\tilde{\gamma}(v) f(h)$, that is clear.
But what is the inverse? I can't figure it out.
Maybe this isn't true in general, so I will tell you the assumptions I withheld:
$H$ is a bialgebra, $V$ is an $H$-module under the trivial action, and the Hom-spaces actually consist only of intertwiners.
 
Hi @Tobias
 
@MatheinBoulomenos Hi
 
I noticed that going from the maximal torus to the Borel subgroup in $GL_2(\Bbb F_q)$ isn't that hard
 
@MatheinBoulomenos Yeah, that one should be the easier of the two
Since the Borel is a semidirect product
 
8:47 AM
By Hall's theorem, every p-regular element is contained in some complement of the p-Sylow and by Schur-Zassenhaus all complements are conjugate, so every p-regular element is conjugate to an element in the torus, thus the Brauer characters are determined by the values on the torus
So the composition factors are determined by the restriction to the torus
This approach won't work for the whole group, though
If the minimal polynomial of the matrix is irreducible, it's not conjugate to an element in the maximal torus
this argument works more generally for solvable groups with normal p-Sylow
 
 
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12:18 PM
What would be the result of $Im(i\cdot AB^*ke^{2ikx})$ where A and B are complex constants.
Would it be just $AB^*ke^{2ikx}$ ?
and k is real
 
can someone please help me with finding conditional probability functions?
we toss a regualr coin 50 times and define the following events:
x - number of heads obtained totally(out of 50)
y - number of heads from the first 20 tossings of the coin

how can i find the conditional probability function of x given that y=j {j=0,1,..,20}
or easier, how can i find the conditional probability function of y given x=i {for 1=0,1,..,50} ? i tried to use $P_{X|Y}(x \mid y) =\frac{P_{XY}{(x,y)}}{p_Y(y)}$
which from what i understand means $P_{X\mid Y}(x\mid y)=P(X≤50\mid Y=y)$
but i'm unsure how to continue
 
12:36 PM
Sanity check: if $K$ is an ordered field and $K_1\supseteq K$ is a real closed field then the relative algebraic closure of $K$ in $K_1$ is real closed, right?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti that's real' close ya know
 
Let $K_o$ be the relative algebraic closure of $K$ in $K_1$. Let $f \in K_o[X]$ be of odd degree. Then, after a whole bunch of conjugation, we get a polynomial in $K[X]$ with odd degree, so it has a root in $K_o$. It is clear that $K_o$ is closed under square root: if $x \in K_o$ is positive, then its square root is algebraic over $K$, so is also in $K_o$
using the third definition here
@AlessandroCodenotti ^
 
12:51 PM
Looks good, thanks
 
@AlessandroCodenotti actually, scratch that part about multiplying by conjugates
it has a root in $K_1$ and the root is algebraic over $K$ so it is also in $K_o$
 
I found a proof using the fifth definition in the meantime, since $K_o=\overline{K}\cap K_1$ and $K_1(\sqrt{-1})$ is algebraically closed
 
not sure I see it
 
@AlessandroCodenotti and then?
 
Then you have to show that $K_o(\sqrt{-1})$ is algebraically closed, which is not too bad by contradiction
 
1:05 PM
triggered that isn't proof by contradiction
 
> I found a proof using the fifth dimension in the meantime
And I thought I read this
 
How do we get answer without computing powers of $A$?
 
@Silent cayley-hamilton
 
you could gamble that it's the characteristic polynomial
 
but you'd be wrong since it's a cubic
 
1:18 PM
Well a multiple of the minimal polynomial
 
Maybe that polynomial can be factorised into two factors and then exploit det(XY)=det(X)det(Y)?
math.stackexchange.com/questions/2024721/… (unrelated, for the continuum stuff later)
 
So char poly of A is $(t-1)(t-4)-6 = t^2 - 5t - 2$, and that should be the minimal polynomial because this seems irreducible.
 
the original cubic is irreducible according to wolfram
 
Oh hmm, yeah reduce that mod 2 and get $t^3 + t + 1$ which is irreducible because no roots
So it's not a multiple of the minimal polynomial and thus the det isn't 0
 
so that means... no shortcut for silent other than diagoonalisation
 
1:29 PM
Which suggests to me that it's best to not try to be clever about it, rather just compute, it's a 2x2 matrix
 
(that also)
 
Alright well, I should get going, so see you guys later!
 
hi chat
 
Howdy @Semi
 
2:29 PM
[continue]
hmm...
$X$ is a continuum $\implies$ $X \neq \bigcup_x B_x \cup \bigcup_y B_y$ and $\forall \mathscr{U} \exists \mathscr{V}: |\mathscr{V}| < \infty \land \mathscr{V} \subseteq \mathscr{U}$
and $X \subseteq \bigcup \mathscr{U}$
 
good mornoing everyone
 
Let $Y$ be a subcontinuum that contains $X -\{p\}$
 
can someone please give me the insight/intuition as to exactly what these theorems are saying?:
I see the exposition in symbols but I'm not sure how to think about what the theorem actually does
 
Since $h : J \to C$, $h$ must necessary maps $S_{\alpha} \to C$ for all $\alpha \in J$
 
2:52 PM
sure
is that all it's saying?
 
No, it's something like this (I don't know how to illustrate the general case, but I can give an example on showing what it means):
Let $x \in J$ and let $h$ be $2x$. Then we have for all $x$:
$S_x \cup \{x\} = S_{x+1}$
$h(x+1) = 2 h(x)$
That is, the value of $h (\alpha +1)$ for the alpha+1-th term is taking the $\rho$ of $h(\alpha)$
That's for the well ordered case
 
where did $\rho$ come in
oh we never write it
 
$\rho$ is any function we wish to iterate
For example, recursive definition of exponential in the natural numbers will have the form:
$x^{n+1} = xx^{n}$
 
so in the first case, $\rho$ is doubling. in the second case, $\rho$ is multiplying by $x$?
 
yup
 
2:59 PM
that helps a lot Secret, thank you :)
I'm trying to prove this lemma in Munkres
$h:J \to E$ mapping between well ordered sets
the following are equivalent:
$h$ is order-preserving and its image is $E$ or an initial segment of $E$
$\forall \alpha \in J: h(\alpha) = \operatorname{smallest}(E\setminus h(S_\alpha))$
so the $\rho$ I want is "pick the smallest"
right?
 
$h(\alpha) = \sup (h(S_{\alpha}))$ and since $J$ is well ordered, the sup is just the successor
 
my first gut reaction to that is "hey that's circular", but I get that gut reaction pretty often dealing with well ordered sets
 
Let me see if I can phrase this better...
 
I mean the whole lemma is "well yeah that's obvious, how do I prove it tho"
 
Let $S_{\alpha}$ be an initial segment of $J$
Then we have for all $\alpha \in J$, $S_{\alpha} < J$ under some given ordering <
 
3:06 PM
right
 
Now, $h$ is order preserving, meaning that $h(S_{\alpha}) < h(J)$
 
sure
 
Now by definition $h(J) = E$ and $h(S_{\alpha}) = F$ From the above we can see that $F < E$ thus by definition of initial segment, $F$ is an initial segment of $E$
As for the reverse implication:
 
wait dont do the whole thing for me
should I use the principle of recursive definition or do I not need it?
 
I think you need that for the reverse implication
 
3:10 PM
$h[J] \ne E$ by definition, who said $h$ is surjective?
 
Well, you said above that $E$ is the image of $h$
and $h : J \to E$
 
$E$ or an initial segment of $E$ is the image of $h$
okay thanks for the help Secret I wanna try on my own now :)
appreciate the help so far but I dont want it to be too easy for me
 
[return to my problem]
$X$ is a continuum $\implies$ $X \neq \bigcup_x B_x \cup \bigcup_y B_y$ and $\forall \mathscr{U} \exists \mathscr{V}: |\mathscr{V}| < \infty \land \mathscr{V} \subseteq \mathscr{U} \land X \subseteq \bigcup \mathscr{U}$
Let $Y$ be a subcontinuum containing $X - \{p\}$
Let $N$ be a subcontinuum such that $p \in N$, $int(cl(N)) = \varnothing$
 
3:32 PM
I think something interesting will happen if we consider $N$ to contain $p$ and a point $y$ that is not $p$, because it means that other point $y$ has to interact with the subcontinuum $Y$ somehow
I still cannot quite visualise what limit points in metric spaces in terms of open balls look like though
both $Y$ and $N$ are nowhere dense, thus it means their interior of their closure is empty. This means the interior of cl(Y), cl(N) cannot be made by union of open balls
so there are no open balls or their unions contained in cl(Y), cl(N)
must every closed ball in a metric space contain an open ball?
 
the closed ball B(x,r) contains the open ball B(x,r)
 
right
so that means cl(Y),cl(N) cannot contain a finite union of closed balls
now to check arbitrary union...
 
hi, have any of you read the book Morse homology and Floer theory?
 
an arbitrary union of closed balls need not be closed or need not be open
 
Here's a fun fact which might be relevant: the closure of the open ball B(x,r) is not necessarily the closed ball B(x,r)
 
3:45 PM
:O
in what context
wasnt following the whole conversation
any metric space?
 
The original context is Forevermozart's interesting problem:
Mar 31 at 4:36, by Forever Mozart
If $X$ is a continuum (compact connected metric space), $p\in X$, and every two points of $X\setminus \{p\}$ are contained in a nowhere dense subcontinuum of $X$, then is there a nowhere dense subcontinuum $N$ with $p\in N$ and $|N|>1$?
I am trying to approach it using first principle arguments (and some of the theorems I knew)
 
@GFauxPas Consider the discrete metric, i.e. $d(x,y)=1$ unless $x=y$ in which case $d(x,y)=0$. Then this induces the discrete topology, i.e. every subset is open and closed. Then if we consider the open ball of radius 1 around $x$, that's just $x$ itself, and we still have only $x$ itself if we take the closure. But the closed ball of radius $1$ is the entire space
(There's a similar, but more advanced example with p-adics)
 
well er, the entire space and the emptyset is always clopen in any topology, so I am not sure if there are less cheating examples...
 
@Secret but we have a singleton here, not the empty set
 
ah ok...
 
3:50 PM
And as I said, this also happens with p-adics
every open ball in the p-adics is closed and vice versa
 
@Mathei suppose that $K=\Bbb Q(\alpha)$ is a number field such that $\mathcal O_K=\Bbb Z[\alpha]$. I know that all the factorizations of prime ideals in $\mathcal O_K$ have the same shape, but is there an intuitive explanation of why I should expect this to be true?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti what do you mean by the same shape?
 
cool
 
...hmm I guess I am still not ready for this problem (my intuition on finding limit points for an arbitrary topology is still very poor), I will revisit this later in the future...
 
@MatheinBoulomenos hi
 
3:53 PM
@LeakyNun hi
 
@MatheinBoulomenos let's say you're considering the category of Hausdorff Abelian Topological Groups
 
@MatheinBoulomenos ohhh, nvm, that was very wrong but I see what I was overlooking, makes much more sense now
 
@MatheinBoulomenos and you want to abbreviate it
so it becomes HauAbTopGrp
oh no
 
@LeakyNun lol
Also well-known: the category of Banach analytic manifolds: BanAnaMan
2
 
lol
 
3:55 PM
Anything that is shorthand to the spelling of monkey?
because I want that to interact with the bananaman
 
So $p\mathcal O_K$ has a factorisation in $\mathcal O_K$ with the same shape as the factorisation of the minimal polynomial of $\alpha$ in $\Bbb Z/p\Bbb Z$, right?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti yes, that's right
 
Ok, I see, thanks
The general case with ideals not coprime to the conductor is kinda annoying
 
@AlessandroCodenotti note that this also provides intuition for the thing with "primes that ramify are those that divide the discriminant". Since primes p that ramify will be those such that the minimal polynomial has multiple roots, but then the reduction of the minimal polynomial mod p will be zero, which means that p divides the discriminant
Of course the proof in the general case is harder and will likely pass through differents, but that's how I think about that
@AlessandroCodenotti yeah if your extension is not monogenic, then calculations get messy
 
Monogenic?
@MatheinBoulomenos ah, that's a very nice way to think about it!
 
4:01 PM
That means you can find an $\alpha$ such that $\mathcal{O}_K = \Bbb Z[\alpha]$
 
Ah, I see. I'm mostly looking at cyclotomic fields at the moment where everything is nice :P
 
yeah, cyclotomic and quadratic fields are the two cases where computations are quite nice. Even with cubic fields it can happen that the extension is not monogenic and then factoring prime ideals is kinda annoying
I messed up some stuff in the statement above, I mean that the primes p that ramify are those such that minimal polynomial has multiple roots mod p and then the reduction of the minimal polynomial will have discriminant 0
I think you got it, but I wanted to clarify in case someone else reads that and is confused
 
Yeah, I got what you meant
 
@Secret this good for the other direction?
going back to what you helped me with before
 
@GFauxPas which one?
 
4:18 PM
one direction of Lemma 2.a in my sandbox
oops, have to deal with a possible maximal element
 
@BalarkaSen I've been great, and excessively free. Good luck for ISI. :)
 
hmmm, how do I consider that case
 
@PathKohli Good to hear. Thanks, but I have been trying not to care too much about it.
 
oh! I know, if $E$ has a maximal element $m$, just consider $E \setminus \{ m\}$ instead! ezpz
/joke
 
@BalarkaSen do you know any references for general theory on isotopies
 
4:31 PM
I don't know what that means
 
Like just theorems and exercises about isotopies
Of the smooth or continuous variety. :P
 
Nope. Check out Hirsch.
 
Will do.
 
Big fat tome on differential topology and has exercises of the sort you mention
 
This is pretty good, thanks!
I forgot about Hirsch.
 
4:41 PM
Hirsch is golden for that stuff
 
@MikeMiller did u see my proof of transversality
 
Is it here
 
It's a triviality from the definition of the weak topology on $C^\infty(M, N)$ combined with the fact that $C^k(M, N)$ is Banach
The fun thing is my proof pushes through for transversality of stratified spaces
 
I think your bit about non-transversality being a closed condition is better rephrased in terms of ranks of linear maps somehow (rank is upper or lower semicontinuous, one of the two)
(I forget which means what)
 
Yeah that's better
 
4:47 PM
Oh I see, you literally just walk in a direction which improves transversality
Using the tangent vectors
 
Ah, much better formulation, lol. If $f : M \to N$ with $W \subset N$ a submanifold, then $M$ is stratified by open submanifolds consisting of points $p$ with stratification index being the codimension of $df_p(T_pM) + T_p W$ in $T_p N$
Or something of that sort
 
Probably need to also stratify by intersection set
but yeah something like that.
 
Hmm, right. I'll write that down sometime soon
explicitly
@MikeMiller Right, so the point is limit of jets in $J^1(M, N)$ non-transverse to $W$ is also a jet which is nontransverse to $W$
So the complement is open in $J^1(M, N)$. Call it $U$
$C^\infty_{\pitchfork W}(M, N) = \{f \in C^\infty(M, N): J^1 f(M) \subset U\}$ almost by definition, and that's an open subset by defn of weak Whitney
 
The only thing I want to know that's not there is denseness
 
I have been thonking about that
Something something Baire category theorem
I would like to work it out in this formalism
 
4:53 PM
@BalarkaSen So it seems to me that there is a map $C^\infty(M, N) \to \text{Closed}(W)$, sending a map $f$ to $f(M) \cap W$. I think there is a natural topology on closed sets in general (Vietoris topology?? maybe is the right name) but Hausdorff metric certainly works
 
A = Hom(R[X],A) = Hom(Spec(A),Spec(R[X])) = Hom(Spec(A),$\Bbb A^1_R$)
so the A points of $\Bbb A^1_R$ is just A
 
@MikeMiller Ahhh
That should be exactly right
 
Closed is also a poset, so there is your stratification (it's like a 'topological stratification' or something)
 
Stratification of what?
 
of $C^\infty(M,N)$ by preimages
 
4:55 PM
Oh but that's not what I was speaking of.
 
Yeah, I know
I have missed a step but hadn't seen how to work it in yet. You want more than just closed subsets of $W$
Hm, let me decide what you want
$\text{Closed}(W)$ is not enough data: you want to assign to each point $p \in V \in \text{Closed}(W)$ a quotient space $(T_p N)/(df_q(T_q M) + T_p W)$, and this should be something semicontinuous
 
Apparently cohomologous symplectic forms are not necessarily isotopic!
 
So the right space to map to is not $\text{Closed}(W)$, but a space which has a forgetful map to $\text{Closed}(W)$, and it is this final thing that you want to stratify over
And if you set all of this up correctly it should be a matter of showing that the subspace for which that quotient space is always zero is open.
@anakhronizein Are there examples on tori? $T^4$ maybe?
 
Let's see. I don't follow why you want to stratify $C^\infty(M, N)$ along with the stratification of $M$ that comes from the semicontinuity of the rank of the quotient space you described
 
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Q: When are two symplectic forms "isotopic"?

Dick PalaisI've been skulking around MathOverflow for about a month, reading questions and answers and comments, and I guess it's about time I asked a question myself, so here is one has interested me for a long time. Suppose $M$ is a compact even dimensional smooth manifold with two symplectic forms $\ome...

The top answer gives one on a product of a torus with two spheres
product of a torus with twice a sphere? How would one say that.
 
4:59 PM
@BalarkaSen My thought is just that "the stratification of $M$ that comes from..." doesn't make sense, since to talk about that you need to assume $f(q) = p \in W$ for some fixed $p$.
 

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