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09:03
Number Fields - Marcus; "Now in a newly typeset edition including a foreword by Barry Mazur..."
Publisher: Springer; 2nd ed. 2018 edition (5 July 2018)
@Lozansky This gives f(x)(f(0)-1)=0 and f(0) !=0 ; I couldn't conclude any thing about f(x) from here... @Lozansky
How come it's selling this when the publication date is in the future?
I don't want to buy this and get the version typed on Edwardian typewriter!
@Symposium Its only available for pre-order
Oh, I see. It actually says it in the basket place.
Thanks @tatan
;-)
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09:11
Hello all. I'm usually not one to complain, but I just had this suggested edit rejected, and I'm absolutely dumbfounded.
Can I ask — informally — for some insight?
This is not my home stack; I've been on other stacks where edits like this would be permitted — even encouraged.
The area bounded on the right by $x+y=2$, on the left by $y=x^2$ and below by $x$-axis is ...
Also, where do we use bounded below by $x$-axis?
Isn't this correct answer?
@LeakyNun
@SQB Your edit actually made me understand the game. The question as written assumes that we all know and play this game.
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I just wrote out what I found at the end of the link the OP provided.
@SQB Hmm, that does look weird, since you only added information already provided by OP in a comment
I don't really agree with editing the question at all though. It is 4 years old and it seems that nobody really cared about it, so not much point in bumping it.
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Actually, it was the misspelling of induction in the title that caught my eye.
09:21
Oh, I thought this was a question asked just now.
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But now that I've read it, I'm slightly interested.
Language does not exist
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@Secret it is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration?
@TobiasKildetoft so should I flag it (can't vote here yet) as "should be closed: unclear what you're asking" instead?
@Silent sure
@LeakyNun But my question paper provides these options only: 23/6, 5/6, 17/20, 0
09:36
@SQB Not sure really
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My reasoning being that unedited, it's not clear what the querant is asking, as evidenced by Symposium's comment.
Well, either way, my question is answered, that I'm not crazy and I may just have had bad luck with the reviewers. Thanks for that.
Yeah. At least the reviewer comments were somewhat strange (though to be fair, they do need to pick from a short list).
09:58
@tatan How can $f(x) = c f(x)$ be true for any $c \neq 0$?
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@TobiasKildetoft Yeah, I know.
10:13
SQB: Yes and no
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@Secret aren't we all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively?
lol that is an open question
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I think there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.
@Lozansky c=1?
f(x)=0?
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10:24
@Secret you've been Hicksrolled!
11:21
If reality (Layer 0) is a dream, then what is real life (Layer -1)?
11:35
I am trying to show this:
Let $f,g:\Bbb R\to\Bbb R$ be two differentiable functions. Suppose that $f'(x)>g'(x)>0$ for $x>0$. Then $f(x)-f(0)\ge g(x)-g(0)$ for all $x>0$.
I tried this: Suppose $f(x)-f(0)< g(x)-g(0)$ for some $x>0$. I applied MVT, so, there is $\psi\in(0,x)$ such that $f'(\psi)=\frac{f(x)}x$ and $\gamma\in(0,x)$ such that$g'(\gamma)=\frac{g(x)}x$. But I can't show that $f'(c)\le g'(c)$ for some $c\in(0,x)$.
@LeakyNun
apply MVT on f-g
Is the double integral $\frac{1}{2c}\int_{-\frac{x}{c}}^0\left (\int_{x+c\tau}^{-c\tau-x}f(y,\tau)dyd\tau\right )$ equal to 0 ?
11:53
Hi chat
How to find the inverse of y=sinx +2x on mathematica?
@LeakyNun Thank you. So, we can replace $f'(x)>g'(x)>0$ with $f'(x)\ge g'(x)>0$ there, right?
12:32
I am working through the proof of the following theorem: Let $A$ be a commutative ring. Then $A^n \simeq A^m$ iff $m=n$...I 'understand' the proof of the forward direction, but I am having trouble confirming some of the details. Since $A$ is commutative, it has at least one maximal ideal $\mathfrak{m}$. Now, in order to show that $A^n/\mathfrak{m}A^n \simeq A^m/\mathfrak{m}A^m$, don't I first need to show $\mathfrak{m}A^n \simeq \mathfrak{m}A^m$? How do I do that?
Let $f$ denotes the isomorphism from $A^n$ to $A^m$. I tried to show $f(\mathfrak{m}A^n) = \mathfrak{m}A^m$, but every attempt seemed circular.
ello
Hello oh XD
Let's to some proofs
If sin x. sin y = cos x.cos y = tan x.tan y
Find the nearest value of x and y
To 0
I mean find nearest value of x and y to 0
XD
I can do this in one line
Let's see who can do this toooo
12:49
@user193319 is $A^n\simeq A^m$ as rings or as $A$-modules?
Another question p. Cos x - p cos y = sin p. Cos p, then prove p is greater than cosec xy
Enjoy and let us enjoy
XD
@Lozansky Either c=1 or f(x)=0
@tatan hello!
13:02
@MaryStar depends on what $f$ is
@tatan Now consider $x=-y$. What do you get?
13:14
@user193319 beware: $M \cong M'$ and $M \supset N \cong N' \subset M'$ doesn't imply $M/N \cong M'/N'$
Consider e.g. $M=N=M'=\Bbb Z$ and $N'=2\Bbb Z$
@user193319 what part of $f(\mathfrak{m}A^n)=\mathfrak{m}A^m$ gives you trouble?
@user193319 let's show in general that if $f: M \to N$ is a $R$-linear map and $I \subset R$ is an ideal and $X \subset M$ is a submodule, then $f(IX)=If(X)$. $IX$ is generated by elements of the form $ix$ with $i \in I$, $x \in X$. Thus $f(IX)$ will be the submodule generated by elements of the form $f(ix)=if(x)$ with $i \in I$ and $x \in X$, or to put it differently, $f(IX)$ will be generated by elements of the form $iy$ with $i \in I$ and $y \in f(X)$. Thus $f(IX)=If(X)$
@Secret There is no information given about $f$. The only we know that it is at the pde: $w_{tt}=c^2w_{xx}+f(x,t), x>0, t>0$
ah, the inhomogenous wave equation, hmm...
I wonder if it might help to express the $f$ in the integral in terms of $w_{xx}$ and $w_{tt}$ of the wave equation, cause I suspect there's a lapacian somewhere
13:42
@MatheinBoulomenos Ah! That's what I was looking for! I trying to figure out the more general theorem of which my claim would be a corollary. Sometimes they're tricky to identify, but they're almost always easier to prove. Thanks for the help!
What boundary conditions?
@Mathei you probably know this already, but this way of looking at Rabinowitz's trick made much more sense to me than how it is usually presented mathoverflow.net/questions/90661/the-rabinowitz-trick
@MatheinBoulomenos Actually, by your first remark, I cannot conclude that $A^n/\mathfrak{m}A^n \simeq A^m/\mathfrak{m}A^m$ from $\mathfrak{m}A^n \simeq \mathfrak{m}A^n$. So how do I conclude that the quotients are isomorphic?
14:08
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Q: Is this sum converging or diverging?

Mohammad Areeb SiddiquiI am trying to understand that what could be the possible outcomes of this following expression as $n \to \infty$ and as $|t| \to \infty$ where $t \in \mathbb{Z}$ . $$\sum_{k=1}^{n}\dfrac{(\prod_{m=1}^{t}k)^{-i}}{\sqrt{k}}$$ Considering the numerator first: $$(\prod_{m=1}^{t}k)^{-i}=\prod_{m=1}...

Hold on! I think I figured it out. Let $f : A^n \to A^m$ be an $A$-module isomorphism, and let $\pi : A^m \to A^m/\mathfrak{m}A^m$ be the canonical projection. Then $\pi \circ f$ is a surjective homomorphism and therefore $A^n/\ker (\pi \circ f) \simeq \pi(f(A^n)) = A^m/\mathfrak{m}A^m$ or $A^n/\mathfrak{m}A^n \simeq A^m/\mathfrak{m}A^m$, because $\ker (\pi \circ f) = f^{-1}(\pi^{-1}(0)) = f^{-1}(\mathfrak{m}A^m) = \mathfrak{m}A^n$.
@user193319 good work!
Thanks for always being helpful!
@AlessandroCodenotti yeah, good point
@user193319 no problem. In case you're interested, I recently wrote down an alternative proof of this fact without using quotients on MSE
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A: $A^n\cong A^m$ implies $n=m$ without using tensor products.

MatheinBoulomenosA ring $R$ (not necessarily commutative) is called stably finite if for each $n \in \Bbb N$, the matrix ring $M_n(R)$ has the property that $AB=1$ implies $BA=1$ for $A,B \in M_n(R)$. Claim Any commutative ring $R$ is stably finite. Proof: Suppose $AB=1$ for $A,B \in M_n(R)$, then $\det(A)\...

14:33
Hello! I was solving this simple equation: $|\sin(x)|=1/2$. The answer according to the book is $\pm \frac{\pi/18}{18}+(\pi \cdot n)/3$ which I doubt, isn't it $(-1)^n \pm \frac{\pi/18}{18}+(\pi \cdot n)/3$
Oh, sorry 1st expression should be $\pm \frac{\pi}{18}+(\pi \cdot n)/3$
and mine is $(-1)^n \pm \frac{\pi}{18}+(\pi \cdot n)/3$
14:55
hello, i always have a problem with the direct image , how to caculate $f([2/3,+\infty[)$ where $f(x)=\frac{2x+6}{3x+2}$ how to do please
@LeakyNun hello
polynomial division
how?
i don't understand what i must do?
@LeakyNun
@Tug'Tegin wouldn't you solve these types of equations like $\sin^2(x) = 1/4$ then $\sin(x) = 1/2$ and $\sin(x) = -1/2$. Calculate the basic angle which is $\pi/6$. Answers would be, $2\pi.n+\pi/6$,$2\pi.n+5\pi/6$,$2\pi.n+7\pi/6$,$2\pi.n-2\pi/6$ ?
@LeakyNun $2x+6= \frac23 (3x+2)+\frac{14}{3}$
What to do when I don't know how to do a mathematical proof?
I don't know what to multiply, what to add and what to subtract or what to substitute or what to factorise or what to rationalize
15:10
@PolineSandra then plug that in
i found $\frac{2x+6}{3x+2}\leq\frac{11}{16}$
@AbhasKumarSinha try to prove basic theorems first. keep in mind where you are supposed to be headed and you'd get the hang of it
what a bout $+\infty$ i must do the limit of $f(x)$? @LeakyNun
15:28
sure
so it is [2/3, 11/6] or (2/3,11/6] ?
16:17
Let $A,B\subset \Bbb R$ and $C=\{a+b:a\in A,b\in B\}$, then $\Bbb R-A$ bounded implies $\Bbb R-C$ bounded. Right? @LeakyNun
let B be empty
@LeakyNun let $\varphi: R \to S$ such that restriction of scalars S-Mod $\to$ R-Mod is fully faithful, then $\varphi$ is an epi
16:50
@MatheinBoulomenos :o
Could someone draw the Poincaré model for $\mathbb{H}^3$ with this $P_t$? I can not find $P_t$ orthogonal to $\partial B^3$ and perpendicular to the line that contains $\overrightarrow{v}$.
17:32
@LeakyNun hello
@AbhasKumarSinha Hello!
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Ya it looks fine
@Zee you are with me ?
17:52
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Q: Is the world $C^\infty$?

Tobias KienzlerWhile it is quite common to use piecewise constant functions to describe reality, e.g. the optical properties of a layered system, or the Fermi–Dirac statistics at (the impossible to reach exactly) $T=0$, I wonder if in a fundamental theory such as QFT some statement on the analyticity of the fie...

I think nonanalytic events is one way we can have indeterminism in classical phenomenon because then derivatives breaks down and events before the abrupt change no longer matter
in b4 "world is $C^\infty$ a.e."
hi @GFauxPas
Hi Poline!
please if you have a time can you look at my calculus if it is correct : math.stackexchange.com/questions/2799521/…
wtf is the chicken nugget problem
18:02
"Argsh" is something you say when you step on a Lego but i don't know what function it is
oh, inverse sinh
?
my head can't handle all those symbols at once right now sorry
not in the right headspace
did planetmath die
18:22
Where do I find a "hopf differential"?
18:36
hey @Leaky do you have some time?
ohh never mind, I figured it out!
oh, no I didn't actually
ohh I did after all:p
19:20
lol
a math rollercoaster
19:38
me writing notes to self as to which theorems I need to put up on proofwiki:
Theorem: You can cut up an n-cube into a bunch of little cubes
I can cut up an n-cube into 1 n-cube
:O a constructive proof
I meant of cubes with arbitrarily small diameter
"Dave can cut a cube into 27 cubes in 12 minutes, how much time does he need to cut the same cube into 30 cubes ?"
a lot longer because he can't just split the sides into 3
i'd bet most people would give up, so the answer is $+\infty$
A pair of glasses with 1.5 diopter costs $150, how much does a pair of glasses with 3 diopter cost?
19:48
Dan has a pair of glasses and a monocle which in total cost $300. At which point is getting surgery to remove his extra eye less financially wise than just breaking his glasses apart into monocles and putting them in a rock tumbler until they become diamonds?
Ed visits his mother every day, his grandmother every month, and his great grandmother every year. How often will he visit his daughter?
Keep it up, guys. I am getting some good questions for the next exam.
@TobiasKildetoft hi!
@MatheinBoulomenos Hi
@TobiasKildetoft is it better to read something like Lam "A first course in noncommutative algebra" before Assem-Simson-Skowronski or is that independent?
Hmm, not sure actually. I have only read the part of Lam that deals with localization
My guess would be that there is a decent overlap, but that everything in the overlap will be stuff covered more completely in ASS
19:58
okay, makes sense
I also want to read Pierce Associative Algebras at some point, since the Brauer group stuff he proves is really important for NT
but I guess centrally simple algebras are not the algebras that are that interesting for the questions asked in ASS
Yeah, since they are mostly interested in stuff up to Morita equivalence, which makes the simple algebras not so interesting
I have no email ID registered on my university domain but I want to have an account on researchgate
How will that be possible?
we skeched a proof that $H^2(\operatorname{Gal}(K^{sep}/K),{K^{sep}}^\times) = Br(K)$ in a seminar, but we used some heavy stuff like double-centralizer or Jacobson density which we didn't prove
@gateprep Why do you want such an account?
Some of the question that I googled for my UG has questions already asked on researchgate..Only for that..
20:04
@MatheinBoulomenos What "version" of double centralizer?
@gateprep researchgate does not have questions that I am aware of
Btw pls help me about mathjax
I cant use them..
New to this
There is a link in the room description for latex in chat
@TobiasKildetoft if $B$ is a simple subalgebra of a finite-dimensional centrally simple algebra $A$, then $C_A(C_A(B))=B$ and some equality of dimensions I don't remember right now
can you have a convex subset of a metric space that isn't a subspace?
this is a sample question but I am not being able to see the scanned portion of the book..Pls help
I require it urgently..Pls help..
20:11
@MatheinBoulomenos I see. I wonder if that follows in any way from the results of Double centralizer properties, dominant dimension, and tilting modules
@gateprep There does not seem to be any links there to anything hosted on researchgate
@TobiasKildetoft I couldn't get u
@MatheinBoulomenos By which I mean the paper of that title by König, Slungård and Xi (a pretty interesting paper)
@gateprep What would an account help with when the linked pdf is not on researchgate?
Can u arrive at the linked pdf?
@TobiasKildetoft
@gateprep I didn't try. I avoid researchgate as much as possible
@TobiasKildetoft I'm not sure I'm at a point yet where I can comfortably read research papers. I'm in a seminar right now that is a based on a paper in the annals and it's pretty hard
20:14
Pls try its urgent I need some help
@GFauxPas Are we assuming he actually has a daughter? :>
@gateprep Are you talking about the link to google books?
"For your convenience I have attached a scanned document from the manual, which serves as the proof." This is what Srinivasan writes.
Can u find that
@MatheinBoulomenos That one is not that hard to read actually. It gives a more generalized approach to the classical Schur-Weyl duality, seen as a double centralizer.
@TobiasKildetoft that sounds cool
20:18
@gateprep Ahh, I don't see a link to that anywhere.
Currently I'm more worried about representations of profinite groups, but I'll return to finite groups later
yes thats the problem..Pls search for that book anywhere..I couldnt find it..
@TobiasKildetoft I think I asked this recently, so sorry if I'm bothering you, but you do know a simple proof that groups of order 720 are not simple? All proofs I could find were quite involved
@MatheinBoulomenos Not that I can remember. Once the order is a multiple of the order of a simple group, it gets tricky.
There are papers like "we present elementary proofs to determine the orders of simple groups of order $<1000$, except for $720$"
And apparently Burnside published a flawed proof of this
so 720 seems to be extra difficult for some reason
20:29
Well, compare it to $60$. You get an extra factor of $12$, which includes a factor that is $1$ mod each of the prime divisors
that is a lot of extra complication to take care of when dealing with possible structures (taking into account Sylow)
Not to mention the increased number of possibilities for the individual Sylow subgroups
So it makes sense that there is either some very obvious and slick proof, or any proof will be full of nasty details
I just recalled that a similar order had caused me to include an exception in an earlier paper. But that was order $768$ instead of $720$.
And there it was just because that was the order $< 1000$ which was not a nilpotent number but for which there were too many groups to deal with using GAP
@TobiasKildetoft one thing I was wondering: if $G$ is a finite group we have purely-group theoretic description of the number of conjugacy classes of irreducible representations of $G$ with coefficients in $\Bbb C$, $\Bbb R$ and $\overline{\Bbb F_p}$. What about other fields, e.g. $\Bbb Q_p$ (which is one of the most frequently used coefficient fields for representations at least in number theory)?
No idea actually.
Never did any $p$-adic stuff
I usually just assume my field is algebraically closed and call it a day
We're doing some really cool stuff about lifting representations in our Galois representations course
I guess it's different from the techniques in modular representation theory, but do you want to hear some details?
20:43
I need to go to bed soon, but some other day, sure.
20:55
No sign of @hippalectryon.
(or better say, from @hippalectryon)
I have some bounties for you. I'm sure you'll want to get them!
500 points bounty
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Q: Computing a limit involving Gammaharmonic series

WaitingIt's a well-known fact that $$\lim_{n\to\infty} (H_n-\log(n))=\gamma$$ Now, if I change things a bit and use the fact that $\displaystyle \Gamma \left( \displaystyle \frac{1}{ n}\right) \approx n$ when $n$ is large, then I wonder if it's possible to compute the following limit in a closed-form...

300 point bounty
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Q: A triple integral dancing in the unit cube

WaitingStraight integration seems pretty tedious and difficult, and I suppose that the symmetry might possibly open some new ways of which I'm not aware. What would your idea be? $$\int_0^1 \int_0^1 \int_0^1 \frac{x^2}{\sqrt{x^2+1} \left(x^2-y^2\right) \left(x^2-z^2\right)}+\frac{y^2}{\sqrt{y^2+1} \lef...

that title
Yeah, that title ...
Maybe it's time to pack up all mathematical stuff to share and move on to MathOverflow.
(but it's not nice to let behind friends like @Semiclassical, @BalarkaSen, or @TedShifrin)
21:28
@MatheinBoulomenos I think they would be the same as for $\Bbb C$, right? As $\Bbb Q_p$ is an algebraically closed field of characteristic zero and cardinality the continuum, it is abstractly isomorphic to $\Bbb C$
sanity check: let $S = [0,\infty) \subseteq \Bbb R$, then $f:S \times S \setminus \{(0,0)\} \to S$ given by $f(x,y) = x^y$ is continuous, right?
@MikeMiller $\Bbb Q_p$ is not algebraically closed
ah yes
it's algebraic closure is isomorphic to $\Bbb C$, though
thanks for reminding me
21:32
(as is the completion of the algebraic closure, which is better for analytic arguments)
I remember that, "$\Bbb C_p$"
a moment of weakness
@Waiting Do you by any chance know the true value of integral? The sum/integral forms at the end of that answers feels like it's on the cusp of a solution.
21:50
@MikeMiller I think that's the completion of the algebraic closure of Q_p under the p-adic metric, as bar{Q_p} is not a complete metric space under the p-adic metric
@LeakyNun lol i saw this on fb too
@loch what do you think
that page seldom makes mistakes unless it's April Fools
but today ain't April Fools either
it looks continuous to me
exactly
the comments there are talking about putting some stupid topology on them.. which i guess is a possible answer
21:52
that's stupid
I'm going to spend the next 30 minutes reading Kirk-Davis
i like it
@BalarkaSen you're right, they are not different as abstract fields, though
@MatheinBoulomenos Right, I wanted to think about the category of topological fields
@BalarkaSen @MikeMiller suppose that I have a Lie group structure on a sphere $S^n$, does this give rise to a normed real division algebra of dimension $n+1$? The other direction is easy and we know that the answer is actually yes, because only $n=1$ and $n=3$ are possible, but I don't see how one could define a multiplication that is distributive
22:03
Yeah I think that's true
Maybe try $\Bbb R^{n+1} \setminus 0 \cong \Bbb R \times S^n$ in polar coordinates, and multiplication is determined on each sphere? Idk
It's kind of tempting to define something like $v \cdot w = \|v\| \|w\| (\frac{v}{\|v\|} \frac{w}{\|w\|})$, but where should distributivity come from
yeah this is the same thing you said, up to isomorphism
but distributivity seems difficult
I see the issue
@MatheinBoulomenos have you proved associativity of addition?
@LeakyNun we'll just take the standard addition in $\Bbb R^{n+1}$
22:11
Hurwitz's theorem on classification of real normed division algebras is really easy though, isn't it? The classification of H-space structures on spheres, on the other hand, is really hard.
Maybe classifying the Lie groups is not that hard, I don't remember.
but a H-space is a lot more general than a Lie group
I don't know a classification of spheres which are Lie groups without invoking Adam's theorem. It's possible there is one.
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Q: Is there an easy way to show which spheres can be Lie groups?

Aaron Mazel-GeeI heard that using some relatively basic differential geometry, you can show that the only spheres which are Lie groups are $S^0$, $S^1$, and $S^3$. My friend who told me this thought that it involved de Rham cohomology, but I don't really know anything about the cohomology of Lie groups so this...

Ohhh, the Cartan 3-form
If $G$ is a Lie group I can give it a bi-invariant metric $g$, which ends up satisfying the identity $g([x, y], z) = g(x, [y, z])$, with which you can prove $\omega = g([-, -], -)$ is a 3-form on $G$.
That's somehow a closed but not exact form. I don't remember why.
That says $H^3(G) \neq 0$.
okay so we don't need to classify which spheres are H-spaces to classify those which are Lie groups
that doesn't really answer my question
22:17
Yeah, very cool.
I don't know an answer to your question, it's a good question
We know actually that since $S^1$ and $S^3$ have trivial outer automorphism groups, that the product defined by $v \cdot w = \|v\| \|w\| (\frac{v}{\|v\|} \frac{w}{\|w\|})$ will always be assocative
Riemann be like "ugh, the Dirichlet function is crap" and Lebesgue be like "bruh, $\displaystyle \int_0^1 1_{\Bbb Q} \ \mathrm dx = \lambda (\Bbb Q \cap [0,1]) = 0$"
@LeakyNun I don't think that's actually a good reason to care about Lebesgue integration
why not?
nobody cares to integrate $1_{\Bbb Q}$
22:20
then why do people care about Lebesgue integration?
convergence theoerems, completness of $L^p$ and Sobolev spaces
I see
yes, I like the dominated convergence theorem
it's a continuous operator on $C[0, 1]$ under the sup norm
That's a good reason
is that the compact-open topology?
or is it totally irrelevant?
sup norm topology is finer than compact-open topology
22:22
I see
the sup norm topology on $C[0,1]$ agrees with the compact-open topology
I see
the basic open sets are finer, is what i meant.
so the compact-open topology is also finer than the sup norm topology!
@Symposium I'm pretty deep in the matter I'm interested in (not sure if that sounds fine in English). However, there is always something one can learn from the others, and that's fine.
22:23
@LeakyNun heh
the only thing that does not sound fine is the remark
well, different bases, same topology
I don't really see how integration on $C[0,1]$ is related to Lebesgue-integration, though
My mind is making some connections between the dominated convergence theorem and the bolzano-weierstrass theorem
Aw man some nerds
@Waiting Ah-huh.
22:25
can someone help to formalize that connection or am I just bs-ing
connection to compactness as well
@MatheinBoulomenos I was thinking of "taking integral commutes with taking uniform limits"
Doesn't that parse to continuity of the Lebesgue integral operator?
@BalarkaSen you can interchange uniform limits with Riemann integrals, too
Oh uh yeah
and everything in $C[0,1]$ is Riemann-integrable
@LeakyNun the Bolzano-Weierstraß theorem depends on the topology of $\Bbb R$, dominated convergence holds for general measure spaces, so I doubt there's a connection
that spelling
22:27
Karl Weierstraß
that's his name
Karl Weierstrass
change my mind
@LeakyNun the problem is that if you have a bonded sequence, a priori nothing converges. Dominated convergence does assume you already have one type of convergence, namely pointwise, and want to pass to L^1
@LeakyNun I have two bounties to offer. I wish you could take them both.
@MatheinBoulomenos Right, so the correct statement should be this. Take the space of all Lebesgue-integrable functions on [0, 1]. The Lebesgue integral operator is continuous on this space under the dumb product topology.
22:29
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Q: Computing a limit involving Gammaharmonic series

WaitingIt's a well-known fact that $$\lim_{n\to\infty} (H_n-\log(n))=\gamma$$ Now, if I change things a bit and use the fact that $\displaystyle \Gamma \left( \displaystyle \frac{1}{ n}\right) \approx n$ when $n$ is large, then I wonder if it's possible to compute the following limit in a closed-form...

@LeakyNun ^^^
So I'm not sure if you can necessarily make the jump, much as they do feel vaguely similar-ish in feel
@BalarkaSen you need more than pointwise conergence to interchange limits
Really? Even with Lebesgue integrals?
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Q: A triple integral dancing in the unit cube

WaitingStraight integration seems pretty tedious and difficult, and I suppose that the symmetry might possibly open some new ways of which I'm not aware. What would your idea be? $$\int_0^1 \int_0^1 \int_0^1 \frac{x^2}{\sqrt{x^2+1} \left(x^2-y^2\right) \left(x^2-z^2\right)}+\frac{y^2}{\sqrt{y^2+1} \lef...

@LeakyNun ^^^
@BalarkaSen yeah
22:30
Huh. What else do I need?
@MatheinBoulomenos not the connection I'm looking for
Oh, do I need bounded from above?
@Daminark not the connection I'm looking for
Am I restating dominated convergence theorem?
22:31
yeah
I have forgotten math.
The most general version I know is that if you have $f_n\to f$ and you have $|f_n|\le g_n$, where $g_n\to g$ and $\int g_n \to \int g$, then you have $\int f_n \to \int f$
@Daminark Oh nice.
22:32
@Symposium Saying I'm deep in the matter I'm interested in I meant I have studied profoundly the matter I'm interested in.
@LeakyNun I'd say if you want a kind of Bolzano-Weierstraß for function spaces, then Arzelà–Ascoli is the best we have
@Waiting I guess your username fits with the current status of your two questions
Of course the assumption here is that all the $g_n$ and $g$ are in L^1
But yeah it's slightly more general than DCT
@LeakyNun Just like that. ;)
@LeakyNun unless you mean that the connection is that both include the word "bounded"
22:34
@MatheinBoulomenos are we using different dominated convergence theorems?
@Waiting What you said made sense (your English is excellent). I just wasn't sure what it was in reference to (I asked whether you knew the closed form answer for the integral, perhaps through a symbolic calculator or something).
mine says it is bounded by an integrable function
I 'Wolframmed' it, but it gave me a decimal approximation.
@LeakyNun yes, so the word "bounded" is there
@Symposium I also like to share sometimes some of my creations. I know the community enjoy such questions, but on the other side, it's against the community rules to post question where you already have solutions (I think). So, it's complicated.
22:36
oh you meant in the discussion with Balarka
yeah, bounded from above by a integrable function
I kind of added the parts to make it correct in my head
(I hope I don't do that while grading)
Under the assumption that $g \in L[a,b]$, and $|f_n| \le g$, then $\int f_n$ is bounded, so by BW it has a convergent subsequence
@Symposium Officially I say I don't know.
@Waiting Ah, I see. :)
@Symposium ;)
I leave for some more work.
Enjoy my problems and take the bounties, guys!
@MatheinBoulomenos in which godforsaken country does one not do sports in gymnasium
22:42
in the godforsaken country I live in
@MatheinBoulomenos That's a natural question but I have never known the answer. I would anticipate one approach passes through the Lie algebra and then constructs an algebra with an extra unit vector (like quaternions out of imaginary quarternions)
@MatheinBoulomenos but why ????
Unclear what is special about the sphere that turns into something special about the Lie algebra (cross product somehow?)
@LeakyNun are you asking about German etymology?
@MatheinBoulomenos maybe
22:44
words with the same roots are used differently in different langauges, that shouldn't be that surprising
@MikeMiller yeah I would really like an answer to that one
also considering that one can classify finite-dimensional real division algebras in a one-line proof, given enough group cohomology
@MikeMiller maybe you take the enveloping algebra of the Lie algeba at some point? Still, it seems difficult how to use that we have a sphere
Hey @KasmirKhaan
@MatheinBoulomenos mathein :D
@MatheinBoulomenos Can I send you a simple Q in email ?
not math Q
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@KasmirKhaan hi
@LeakyNun Leaky :D
@MatheinBoulomenos Done!
22:59
@KasmirKhaan I can't confirm right now
the address I gave you is from my parents (since getting packages here is difficult when I'm not at home)
@MatheinBoulomenos Ok Ill use the other method just in case
just look your email when i tell u too :D

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