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12:14 AM
I want to know whether those "may be false" cases in the following statement is only when one of the a or b is zero: "We must be careful working with congruences. Some properties we may expect to be true are not valid. For example, if ac ≡ bc (mod m), the congruence a ≡ b (mod m) may be false."
 
What the hell
(Not a response to you)
So I just started the chapter on curvature,
and the book just gives me a formula with no explanation
(no explanation for why we'd want to study it)
@Niing No. 2*2 = 5*2 mod 6
 
it's that something about "It's obviously ..." description in the book you read?
 
It's not a theorem that's stated without proof, it's a definition that's stated without motivation
"Define the thing to be $\nabla_X\nabla_Y-\nabla_Y\nabla_X-\nabla_{[X,Y]}$. This is an important object, let's study it"
Why
 
thank you :)
 
@Niing In any case, this happens when m is not prime
The main problem is zero divisors. 2*3 = 0 mod 6, for example, despite the fact that neither 2 nor 3 are 0 mod 6
So add 2*whatever to both sides and you get another example (in my above example, whatever=2)
Another example: 3*5 = 0 mod 15. Add 3*7 to both sides, we get 3*12 = 3*7 mod 15
despite the fact that 12 is not 7 mod 15
ac ≡ bc (mod m) if c is coprime to m
(meaning that c and m share no factors other than 1)
(Re: my book) And then he does a bunch of calculations with it, which I have no intuition for because I have no intuition for the weird object he just defined
and it turns out that it has nice properties, by magic
 
12:22 AM
That's why math is fun
I really appreciate your help, I'm reading it
 
@AkivaWeinberger Yup, that's curvature
Consider a coordinate neighborhood of a point in your manifold with coordinates $(x^1, \cdots, x^n)$
Then $R(x^i, x^j) = \nabla_{x^i} \nabla_{x^j} - \nabla_{x^j} \nabla_{x^i}$
This is like the Lie bracket of the operators $\nabla_{x^i}$ and $\nabla_{x^j}$
You can draw the same square picture
If you feed $R_{ij}:=R(x^i, x^j)$ a vector field $X$ on your manifold, it spits another vector field obtained after parallel transporting $X$ along an infinitisimal square $"x^i x^j (x^i)^{-1} (x^j)^{-1}"$
Think of it in analogy with Lie derivative. Notice that the Jacobi formula for the Lie bracket implies $\mathcal{L}_X \mathcal{L}_Y - \mathcal{L}_Y \mathcal{L}_X - \mathcal{L}_{[X, Y]} = 0$
(Because $\mathcal{L}_X Y = [X, Y]$, so the identify above, when fed to a vector field $Z$, implies $[X, [Y, Z]] - [Y, [X, Z]] - [[X, Y], Z] = 0$ i.e., $[X, [Y, Z]] + [Y, [Z, X]] + [Z, [X, Y]] = 0$ - Jacobi identity)
But that tensor is nonzero for an affine connection in general. (In fact, it precisely measures flatness of the connection)
Is this dictionary helpful?
 
12:40 AM
@BalarkaSen holy shit calling R_ij a vector field? That’s the Ricci curvature!
 
GIB ME A BETTER NOTATION
 
Who knows complex analysis?
 
@BalarkaSen But parallel transporting it an infinitesimal amount does nothing
unless you divide by $h$ somewhere
 
@AkivaWeinberger False.
 
@usukidoll Little bit
 
12:41 AM
Yes, you do divide by the area of the loop to get actual curvature I think
 
Do you Know anything about calculating residues? @AkivaWeinberger because my book went from point a to point d without filling in the details
 
…Little bit
 
Let me request desktop site on here and upload the screenshots
 
To Akiva Weinberger: I'm surprising that you're only senior high school...
 
12:44 AM
@AkivaWeinberger Ples tell me you like my analogy
ples
 
How did you know? @Niing
 
Hey: anyone have a good recommendation for a computer algebra system (at no cost) which can handle finite rings and their free modules? And preferably quotients of those free modules?
 
That's one of my treasured analogies
 
@BalarkaSen I don't understand what exactly I'm dividing by $h$. The difference between $X$ and the transported version of $X$?
 
So far I've determined that Sage and Sympy don't seem up to the task
 
12:44 AM
I can find the poles but then I get stuck. Omg what is this book saying?? It's using the previous example which I uploaded earlier
 
@AkivaWeinberger: or you're apparently lying in your bio
 
Oh, I forgot I wrote that
 
lol
 
I should edit it 'cause I'm not applying to colleges anymore
But yeah I'm a senior
 
D:
 
12:47 AM
So you're only 18 and reading some creepy analysis book?
...
 
@AkivaWeinberger Look, it's the same idea as in Lie bracket. If $\pi^X_t$ and $\pi^Y_t$ are the parallel transports along $X$ and $Y$ for time $t$, then $R(X, Y)Z$ is $\partial_t \partial_s (\pi^X_s)^{-1} (\pi^Y_t)^{-1}\pi^X_s \pi^Y_t Z|_{t = 0, s = 0}$
Literally just that I am sure
 
You didn't use $s$
 
Fixed
Also do not think it matters
 
@usukidoll $F(z)=z+1$, $~G(z)=(z^2+4)(z-1)^3$, and $z_0=-2i$
 
Whats the intuitive understanding of stokes theorem?
@AkivaWeinberger How come youre not applying to college?
 
12:53 AM
@AkivaWeinberger The formal analogy between the Lie bracket and the connection is this. If $X$ is a vector field and $\gamma^X(t)$ are the flowlines of $X$ then $\mathcal{L}_X Y$ is "derivative of $Y$ along the flowline $\gamma^X(t)$ at $t = 0$".
On the other hand if $X$ is a vector field and $\pi^X(t)$ is the parallel transport defined by $X$ (which is an isomorphism between $T_{X(t_1)} M$ and $T_{X(t_2)} M$), then $\nabla_X Y$ is the "derivative of $Y$ along the parallel transport $\pi^X(t)$ defined by $X$"
 
Because I already applied earlier this year
 
This is an exercise in do Carmo or whatever. You can recover the connection from the information of the parallel transport
 
Ahhhhh I thought youd like decided not to instead
 
@BalarkaSen OK, but that's $\nabla$, not $R$
 
(The information of the parallel transport is purely encoded in the path-space $\mathcal{P} M$. Parallel transport is a map $\mathcal{P} M \to \text{GL}(n, \Bbb R)$ sending a path $\gamma$ in $M$ starting at $x_0$ to the isomorphism $T_{\gamma(0)} M \to T_{\gamma(1)} M$, satisfying some coherence properties)
 
12:56 AM
I already got that the connection is the derivative along parallel transport
 
@AkivaWeinberger So I gave you an idea of why you should study the tensor $\nabla_X \nabla_Y - \nabla_Y \nabla_X - \nabla_{[X, Y]}$
The analogous tensor for Lie derivative is zero and is the Jacobi identity
 
So it's the difference between $Z$ and the parallel-transported-around-a-tiny-loop-$Z$, divided by the area of the loop
 
Yes, I believe it is
 
Or the derivative of parallel-transport-around-a-loop-$Z$ as the loop shrinks
which is what you wrote earlier
 
Right.
 
12:59 AM
You know what, I think I kinda see it
I'mma wanna draw a picture
 
Try it on a sphere, you won't be disappointed
It's a good calculation
 
I don't have intuition for the big daddy tensor
 
And then for the weird thing where you can choose random stuff for the 2D case (which is what I just got up to)…
 
I have grown used to it over the years
 
You can spit slogans about parallel transport but my brain is like "sure but I wanna do real computations"
 
1:01 AM
@AkivaWeinberger Please, don't get tensor again
@Eric I don't
I ain't no Riemannian geometer
I ain't no fucking nerd
 
But then we take the derivative of that g(z)? @AkivaWeinberger
 
Honestly the best intuition for curvature I have had comes from Jacobi fields.
 
Gromov calls the daddy tensor a monster too
 
If only there was an app for easy chatting g here.
 
Gromov says nobody understands that bich
That little bisch bosh
Hieronymus Bisch
 
1:03 AM
is there any notion of maps between filtered spaces? one that deals with the filtration as well as the spaces?
 
Jacobi fields are pretty good tbh
 
How about a map which preserves the grading on the filtrations
@EricSilva I used them a few days ago to prove that if $M$ is a negatively curved complete Riemannian manifold then it has a unique geodesic representative in every free homotopy class of loops.
Well, except the trivial class ;)
 
what kind of operation is defined for the grading? or would it just be order-preservation?
 
I feel like half the time the big curvature tensor shows up cause I tried to commute a thing, the other contracted boiz are a lot more geometrical to me
 
or is that just gradings for algebraic structures
 
1:07 AM
@gian I had in mind just order-preservation. If $X = \bigcup X_i$, $Y = \bigcup Y_i$ are filtered spaces then require a map $f : X \to Y$ to satisfy $f(X_i) \subset Y_i$.
Not entirely sure if that's the right morphism in this category but feels like it
@EricSilva riemannian geometry is just lie algebras on the large
commutators show up so many fucking times
 
@usukidoll See where $G'$ appears here? It's because of the definition of the derivative
 
Ur a lie algebra u nerd
 
big if true
 
u lie u algebra
 
dONT LIe to me
 
1:18 AM
You are all sophus ing stupid.
2
 
Ok that's brilliant
 
@AkivaWeinberger whoa wait so do I use the definition of the derivative on G(z)
that's like $\frac{G(z)-G(z_{0})}{z-z_{0}}$
D: ugh it was in the image
Do I take the definition of the derivative for
$G(z) = (z^2+4)(z-1)^3$?
omg I'm not there today. I forgot to enable chatjax
 
1:37 AM
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My contribution to the physics.SE
 
Whats a quick way of finding a perpendicular vector?
 
1:49 AM
How would you find the flux through the diagonal face cutting through x and y ?imgur.com/a/YLJCb
Given the vector field is F =

0, (y + 2x − 4)^2, 1 − z^2
 
2:06 AM
@EricSilva physiiiics
 
@JakeRose, finding a perpendicular vector is just a matter of cooking up components such that the dot product with the given vector is 0.
 
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We can't see who starred things in our own chat rooms either
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@Secret We can bring up the issue with the SE team, and then after that it's kind of case-dependent what if anything gets done about it. But by convention we usually leave that sort of detailed investigation to the mods of the site that "owns" the chat room.
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I guess for now, we can try to bug the math mods to contact the SE team, and get them to look into the issue, cause recently that overstarring is escalating and many users found it disruptive
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To all math mods, summary of the situation here
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I wish we could get someone banned for over-starring. Seriously, stop it.
We hope that with the help of the SE devs, we can finally catch the Star Bridgate and end this overstarring issue once and for all
 
How would I find the flux through this shape? imgur.com/a/YLJCb
Specifically the diagnoal face parallel to the z axis?

The vector field is F = (0, (y + 2x − 4)^2, 1 − z^2)
(got told to post it again clearer
 
2:22 AM
I used a different method my prof provided and FINALLY I GOT IT!
 
(I don't remember how the flux works but I got the image in the chat)
 
What?????? Since when could you post images??? Witchcraft
 
@Mariano Suárez-Álvarez @mixedmath @robjohn @Michael Greinecker @Alexander Gruber @Daniel Fischer @Jyrki Lahtonen @Pedro Tamaroff @Jack D'Aurizio @quid
 
@AkivaWeinberger my prof gave me a better way of doing it and I got it. YAYYYYY!!!!
 
2:23 AM
Oof @Secret
 
nah, none of the pings work, they have been inactive for too long
I am trying my best, currently contacting math mod office
cause I knew mixedmaths frequent there
 
@usukidoll It's kinda measuring how badly the function fails to have an antiderivative near that point. Analytic functions, and functions like $\frac1{z^2}$, have antiderivatives, so the the residue is $0$. $\frac1z$ doesn't have an antiderivative near zero, so we give it the residue $1$.
The main part is that, if something has an antiderivative, then its integral around a loop is gonna be $0$.
'Cause the loop starts and ends at the same point ('cause it's a loop), so if we call that point $a$, then $\int_a^af(z)dz$ will be $F(a)-F(a)=0$
If there is no antiderivative we can't do that, that's why the integral of $\frac1z$ in a loop around the origin isn't zero
but in a sense, the only way to get the integral to be anything other than zero is if there's a $\frac1z$ hiding in the function.
 
@BalarkaSen mixed maths and Daniel Fischer are pingable in the math mods, I have done my role as suggested by DavidZ, now we can only wait
 
@Secret OK. I think it's too much a hassle for a starring issue but sure
 
So the residue is measuring how much $\frac1z$ you have.
 
2:28 AM
IMO we need some new, active mods on the chat
 
I volunteer.
 
Fuck I was going to say that
 
well, the issue is that it has been going on for years, and most importantly, it is escalating recently and I think more than 50% of the users are being disrupted by it
 
fair point
 
anyway, I am going back to my PhD work for now (afking), keep the maths flowing
 
2:31 AM
$$\begin{matrix}2&3&\\&&4\\1,6&&5\end{matrix}$$
 
I might have occasional chemistry qns which I might throw at you @Secret
But keep working!
 
@BalarkaSen Refering to that drawing, say I have a vector Z at point 1
 
Now I can flow along X to point 2 and along Y to point 3. Or I can flow along Y to point 5 and along X to point 4.
 
Mhm.
 
2:33 AM
The difference between 3 and 4, is the flow of [X,Y]h. (Or maybe minus that.)
 
Correct.
The truncated side of the truncated square
 
As I flow Z along from 1, to 2, to blah, back to where we started, using parallel transport, it might end up different
 
Mhm.
Good intuition. Now convince yourself this is the right notion of curvature
why does that difference happen?
 
so I'mma call what it starts as "Z(1)" and what it ends up as "Z(6)"
 
@BalarkaSen Ive ended up with $\int_{S}^{} (y+2x-4)^2 dz \sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}$
 
2:34 AM
even though 1 and 6 are the same point
 
@BalarkaSen Wait I didn't relate this to the $\nabla$ stuffs yet
 
@JakeRose I'm not really thinking about your question tbh
 
I know Im just hoping you might vaguely know what to do
Sorry @BalarkaSen
 
I starred it; ideally someone else will look
 
2:37 AM
So $\nabla_YZ(1)$'ll be, intuitively, Z(5)-Z(6), divided by h and projected onto the surface
 
That is true.
 
Hm maybe I should've numbered it differently
 
$\nabla_X \nabla_Y Z(1)$ will be Z(4) - Z(5) - (Z(2) - Z(6))
I think
 
The point is $\nabla_X\nabla_Y$ is gonna be $\begin{matrix}-&+&\\&&\\+&&-\end{matrix}$, I think?
 
The + should be on the middle-right
Not top-left
It's on position 4 in your original drawing
 
2:40 AM
And $\nabla_Y\nabla_X$ is gonna be $\begin{matrix}-&&\\&&+\\+&&-\end{matrix}$
OK fine whatever not gonna matter in the end
 
I think you have the two flipped yeah
Doesn't matter
The -'s cancel out
+ on the bottom-left cancels out
 
And $\nabla_{[X,Y]}$ is $\begin{matrix}&+&\\&&-\\&&\end{matrix}$
 
Mhm.
 
and so theoretically $\nabla_Y\nabla_X-\nabla_X\nabla_Y+\nabla_{[X,Y]}$ should all cancel out
but
 
Like what happens in Lie derivative
 
2:42 AM
the only way you add two vectors at different points is by parallel transporting them to the same point
and I didn't keep track of in which direction around the loop these were being parallel translated
 
Yup. The usual picture is to draw a 3D picture.
Let me find it
 
Or a spiral? So that it's like the universal cover of the loop
and we end up with two points on the universal cover that project to the same point on the loop
and it's the vector at one minus the vector at the other
and so it's essentially the holonomy
and I think I have to divide by h^2 but I haven't been keeping track of that
 
Well, except done on a XYX^-1Y^-1 loop
With sticks
@AkivaWeinberger You do
 
I think the spiral (universal cover) thing makes the most sense to me but it would be horrible to draw
And yeah that's why the $\nabla_{[X,Y]}$ term is there, to connect the square into the loop because otherwise it might not close
(but like it doesn't close it in the universal cover, if that makes sense)
 
Which is also why you forget that term if $X$ and $Y$ are coordinate vector fields
But yes, it might not be a square otherwise
 
2:46 AM
Well yeah $[X,Y]=0$ if they're coordinate vector fields, the "square" is the image of a literal square
in the coordinate space
 
God I can't find the picture
@Akiva Righto
 
whatever it's called, the subset of Euclidean space that maps to it
$U$
 
Found it
A quick proof of the Bianchi identity from this:
 
Right but that doesn't show that it's $\nabla_Y\nabla_X-\nabla_X\nabla_Y+\nabla_{[X,Y]}$
Oo what
 
Well these guys are working with coordinate vector fields
So the bracket term is nonexistent
 
2:52 AM
@BalarkaSen How do we know the triangle closes
Can we describe its vertices
 
Well, formally, that's a computation ;)
You can try it with your flowbox picture
A 3D generalization of that
I never spent too much time on it
 
Random
It's weird how anything can sound bad with random censorship
 
Eg?
 
Isaiah 6:8. "Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I ****? And who will go **** us?” And I said, “Here am I. **** me!”"
That might have been heresy just now I dunno
 
Oof
 
2:55 AM
@BalarkaSen Did this use the symmetry of the connection?
 
Oh god I have no idea
 
Ah
Yes
So that top face of that image gives an illustration of that
Lemme think about this though
 
unrelated; it's funny how Riemann curvature tensor of a symmetric connection is $\nabla_X \nabla_Y - \nabla_Y \nabla_X - \nabla_{\nabla_X Y - \nabla_Y X}$
 
Where did that image come from?
 
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Q: Geometrical interpretation of Ricci curvature

Daniel Robert-NicoudI see the scalar curvature $R$ as an indicator of how a manifold curves locally (the easiest example is for a $2$-dimensional manifold $M$, where the $R=0$ in a point means that it is flat there, $R>0$ that it makes like a hill and $R<0$ that it is a saddle point). Are there analogous interpreta...

 
2:57 AM
@BalarkaSen It's linear, so you can break that last one up
 
True
 
$\nabla_X \nabla_Y - \nabla_Y \nabla_X - \nabla_{\nabla_X Y} - \nabla_{\nabla_Y X}$
 
Needed moar indices
 
That's actually the negative of do Carmo's version
 
Feb 28 at 20:43, by Balarka Sen
$\gamma^X_p[0, t] \cup \gamma^Y_{\gamma^X_p(t)}[0, t] \cup \gamma^X_{\gamma^Y_{\gamma^X_p(t)}(t)}[0, -t] \cup \gamma^Y_{\gamma^X_{\gamma^Y_{\gamma^X_p(t)}(t)}(-t)}[0, -t]$
 
2:58 AM
He mentions some people have it negative though
 
@Akiva Ah right I never remember the convention
I think I should go to sleep now
it's 8 AM
 
Wait I have another thing to say
 
and i feel sleepy
SAY IT
 
So if you have a surface in Euclidean space and two vectors
which look like tiny line segments
 
At the same tangent space?
 
3:00 AM
You can make the parallelogram of those
@BalarkaSen Yeah
 
Yes, you can
 
This video is a perfect representation of how I'll be like in my final tomorrow: Don't put the volume too high
 
Oh wait never mind I don't think what I was about to do makes sense
You can sleep now
 
Hint: Daminark's video is a rickroll
I shall slumber into pieces
 
It's not a rickroll. It's more a thonkroll than anything else
 
3:02 AM
@Daminark hah made u pause and rewind
My Russian-Israeli computer science teacher mispronounced unwind today
He said it like un-wind instead of un-wind
 
I thought it was pronounced unwind
 
Nah it's unwind
 
Oh okay that makes sense
 
^Relevant
 
Zee
3:14 AM
the future will be ruled by diagrams
 
the 88rising label releases stuff so bad that it's rad
 
3:37 AM
god, I've realized that I've been working with something that's possibly undefined the whole time
 
3:52 AM
Like fnork
 
in The h Bar, 2 mins ago, by Bernardo Meurer
Stephen Hawking has died.
Rest in peace.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:28 AM
Let $E$ be dense subset of metric space $X$, and let $f$ be a continuous function from $E$ to metric space $Y$. Does there always exist a continuous extension of $f: X\to Y$?
 
Zee
5:39 AM
ya, since the subset is dense, its made up from limit points, hence you only need to define the function to equal those limits points
the complement is made from limit points, so extend the value of the function to equal those limit points when evaluating outside E
 
 
2 hours later…
8:03 AM
@Zee That does not seem correct. I mean, take $E = Y = \mathbb{Q}$ and the identity function. There is no way to extend this to a continuous function on all of the reals, is there?
 
8:34 AM
@Silent $E=\Bbb R\setminus\{0\}$, $f(x)$ is $0$ for $x<0$ and it's $1$ otherwise
 
8:56 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti Thak u so much!
@TobiasKildetoft I just saw this example mentioned in my readings, and i wonder why we can't extend this. The reading says'If there were an extension $f$ to mapping from $X$ into $Y$, there would be two extensions from $f$ to mappings from $X$ to $X$, contradicting uniqueness of extension' I wonder what two extensions would be.
 
@Silent There are never two extensions. We just cannot be sure that there is one
 
How?
 
Another way to phrase this is that continuous maps are uniquely determined by their value on a dense subset (when we put the right condition on the target space)
How what?
 
@TobiasKildetoft that this can't be extended?
 
@Silent You were just given a nice example.
 
9:06 AM
That of allesando's?
 
10:02 AM
[Random not a word]
Imagenakusuriva
イマゲナクスリバ
 
10:14 AM
[The Cult of Infinity]
0. Begin by specifying a formal language which contains all the symbols we are going to use to describe and construct the objects
1. Next, we specify a logic system which provide us the inference rules and syntax
1a. But first, some primitive notions need to be defined:
1b. Propositions P: These are sentenced of the formal language which has a truth value
1c. Truth values V: Every proposition is either False (F), True (T) or Null (O)
 
10:30 AM
I can't figure out (2) and (3). My assumption is that both y and Ma is strictly positive: imgur.com/a/Djv92
 
11:03 AM
Someone help me to prove this theorem in differential equations:
Suppose that $f$ is continuous, bouded and lipschitziane on $x$ in $[\underline{t}-2\overline{T},\underline{t}+2\overline{T}]\times \overline{B}(\underline{x},2R)$ for all $\overline{T}>0$ and $R>0.$ Then there exists $T\in]0,\overline{T}]$ such that, for each $(t_0,x_0)\in[\underline{t}-\overline{T},\underline{t}+\overline{T}]\times \overline{B}(\underline{x},R),$ the maximal solution for the Cauchy problem will be defined on an interval which containes $[t_0-T, t_0+T].$
 
11:40 AM
Hi, apparently not so many people here :)
How is that obtained? because when I plugged Eulers formula in it, I see $\sin(n\theta)$'s cancel, rather than being survived.
Oh, I see now, they manipulated $i$ to get that..
 
@LeylaAlkan I'd like to see how.
@LeylaAlkan How did they manipulate $i$?
 
Okay I'm typing..
note that $\frac 1 {in}=-\frac i n$ so,
$\sum_{n\neq 0}-\frac i n(-1)^{n+1}[\cos(n\theta)+i\sin(n\theta)]$
$\sum_{n\neq 0}\frac 1 n(-1)^{n+1}[-i\cos(n\theta)+\sin(n\theta)]$
 
11:56 AM
Yeah, even I had got that.
After that?
 
you know that $\cos (-n\theta)=\cos (n\theta)$ and $\sin (-n\theta)=-\sin (n\theta)$ ? It comes from there
$n\in \mathbb Z$
 
does integral from a to b of f(x) imply a<x<b or a<=x<=b or both?
 
@Bright neither
$\displaystyle \int_1^0 f(x) \ \mathrm dx$ is simply defined as $\displaystyle -\int_0^1 f(x) \ \mathrm dx$
 
12:20 PM
@LeakyNun I am asking because in my textbook on statistics they treat P(X<=q)=F(q) and P(X<p)=F(p). Is it because P(X)=0?
 
If you’re doing a continuous random variable, yes
 
$$\left[\dfrac{1+\sin \frac \pi 8 + i \cos \frac \pi 8 }{1+\sin \frac \pi 8 - i \cos \frac \pi 8}\right]^8 = ?$$
I have tried polar form and trigonometric formulas but nothing seems to work...
 
It gets more complicated if you had a random variable that had a continuous and a discrete part. For instance, you could define X by first flipping a coin. If it comes up heads, then X=1; if it comes up tails, pick a random number between 0 and 1.
Then Pr(X=x)=0 if 0<x<1, but Pr(X=1) = 1/2.
 
@Semiclassical Got it. thx ;>
 
12:35 PM
@Abcd I was eating my lunch :) so here it is :
if $n$ is pos: we get $-i \cos(\theta)+\sin(\theta)-\frac 1 2[-i\cos(2\theta)+\sin(2\theta)]+\frac 1 3[-i\cos(3\theta)+\sin(3\theta)]... $
if $n$ is neg: we get $(-1)[-i \cos(\theta)-\sin(\theta)]+\frac 1 2[-i\cos(2\theta)-\sin(2\theta)]-\frac 1 3[-i\cos(3\theta)-\sin(3\theta)]... =i \cos(\theta)+\sin(\theta)-\frac 1 2[i\cos(2\theta)+\sin(2\theta)]+\frac 1 3[i\cos(3\theta)+\sin(3\theta)]...$
If I add these together:
$2\sin(\theta)-\sin(2\theta)+\frac 2 3 \sin(3\theta)...=2\sum_1^\infty (-1)^{n+1}\frac {\sin(n\theta)} n$
 
@BalarkaSen For $x$ and $y$ on the plane, $x\cdot R_{\pi/2}y$ equal to the area of the parallelogram spanned by them?
Where $R_{\pi/2}$ is rotation by 90 degrees
 
@Bright if you take a measure-theory based course on probability then (as I understand it) then these issues get treated more carefully. But otherwise you’re probably safe to assume the r.v.s are either discrete or continuous
@Abcd I don’t see an immediate answer myself. But I’d start the problem by letting $z=\cos(\pi/8)+i\sin(\pi/8)$
 
@LeylaAlkan Thanks.
@Semiclassical hmm, I checked the author's solution. He does that and the denominator becomes $1+1/z$...then its only $z^8$
 
Hmmmm. Yeah, I can believe that
Ah, I see it
The convenient thing here is that $|z|=1$. From that you deduce that z-conjugate is just 1/z and the algebra proceeds without much trouble
 
12:54 PM
@AkivaWeinberger Huh
 

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