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6:00 PM
ah ok
 
I was considering doing either complex with Calegari or topology with Boller/Creek this last quarter
 
Thinking there must be an obvious mistake I'm missing, but I dunno...
 
But 207 hadn't gone perfectly well so I wouldn't have gotten permission
 
@Brody I'm not seeing a mistake here
$|b| \leq m_{2}$ is true.
 
Hi chat
 
6:04 PM
Hi @Astyx
 
What's up ?
 
A testweek next week:(
You?
 
@Eric Mmm. Is it a sound argument? I think my professor would've used this instead since it's marginally more straightforward than choosing epsilon such that $|b|\cdot|a_n-a|<|b|\cdot\frac{\epsilon}{2(|b|+1)}$.
 
Well in hindsight, I didn't really get express permission from anyone (I think) to register in manifolds either, the system just let me add in so I prob could've done it last quarter as well
 
Exams in 29 days
 
6:05 PM
Hey @Astyx
Oof, good luck
 
@Eric what year are you?
 
Hi @Astyx
 
same with d
 
I'm a second year @Mike
 
We're both second years
 
6:05 PM
He is too
 
gotcha
 
@Brody either argument seems fine to me
 
so you've just started, more or less
 
Yup, kind of running out of classes to take though
 
@Eric Oh, alright. Thanks
 
6:08 PM
I guess maybe you could start doing all the second year grad seminars?
Plus reading courses
Hopefully that'll keep you occupied
Also how much of the core do you have left?
 
There's a rule that you can only count the reading courses twice for credit or something, which after next quarter will be my second reading course
sosc and civ
 
Hmm
 
I never understood how the courses work in the US, how many can you choose? Do you have to do non math related courses? What's a reading course?
 
a reading course is a course that you take doing independent research/study under the guidance of a professor
 
I would've preferred learning limit/convergence of sequences (using the $\epsilon$-definition) in calculus, then learning point limit with the $\epsilon\delta$-definition. But whatevs
 
6:11 PM
Neat, that sounds great
 
So most universities have general education requirements, our school has a more expansive/restrictive core system. Everyone should have a year of the humanities, year of social science, etc
Within each category, you have some options
 
at the school me and Daminark go to we can take like 4 classes per term, and at lots of schools you have to take things outside of your concentration
ours has pretty big general education requirements comparatively too
 
Hm, not sure how I feel about that, we have only math courses here
 
Then you have major required classes, and how specific they are depends on which major.
After you complete those 2 sets of requirements, you can basically go off and do your own thing
 
to be honest, if I only had math classes I would go insane, taking more than two math classes here is a hellish workload
 
6:13 PM
most people can't learn more than a few things at a time
and the number of things goes down as time goes on
i'm down to two
 
I think I at least currently prefer the variety
Then again it's a really tricky balancing act because there's nowhere near enough space for me to do what I want
 
We do have a few courses in physics or informatics and one can choose to have more courses in biology, economics, physics or informatics since we're free mostly to choose during the third year though
 
such is life
 
@Daminark be careful not to take classes you never think about again, because that's a good way to forget them
 
There are the classes to do in math, there are classes that I'll want to have down in case grad school ends up not being a thing that happens, there are the classes that are interesting and for which there are few opportunities to take them after undergrad
Yeah @Mike that's a good idea
 
6:17 PM
say what you will about the lack of focus of US higher education, but I'm a math major who knows a very weird amount about pre-Christian old english literature, so I guess that's kind of cool at parties.
 
What are parties @Eric?
Lol jk
 
@Eric i think the breadth demand is a good thing
 
I like 100% agree
 
Don't people get worse grades in courses they're forced to take which are not in their main field of interest?
 
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6:22 PM
@Alessandro, sometimes, the offset is that, unless you're grades outside your concentration are universally terrible, people are less liable to care about how you did in them.
 
@AlessandroCodenotti also, usually not if they work at it and have the prerequisites
nobody's gonna care if you're just fundamentally a B essay writer tho and try to do math
 
I don't see why anyone ever should care about my B in my second year Brazilian ethnomusicology class
 
They may be less motivated for sure, but then it ends up being less of a problem if it's outside the specialization, and some experiences are valuable to have. Plus, different schools have different levels of requirements, so people from Chicago, for example, know what they're getting into and are willing to do so
 
I see, makes sense, it's just a very different system
 
I at least prefer it to what I've seen from Britain (I think most of Europe as well, but I'm not sure), where they basically expect that everyone knows exactly what they want to do really soon
 
6:28 PM
i started college in economics and polisci
 
Back to maths, in the starred article on the continuum hypothesis they write "Two weeks later, while vacationing with his family in the Midwest, Cohen suddenly remembered a lemma from topology (due to N. A. Shanin)...", anybody knows what that lemma is? My google fu isn't strong enough
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Maybe this?
i searched with keywords shanin, topology lemma, set theory and forcing
 
If we refer to the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality as follows
$$
\vert\langle x,y\rangle\vert\leq \Vert x\Vert\cdot \Vert y\Vert,
$$
we are assuming that the norm is induced by the inner product right? So for the $\infty$-norm or the $1$-norm the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality doesn't necessarily hold (unless proven that it does ofc)?
 
correct
 
@BalarkaSen must be this, thanks! I kept Cohen between the keywords which wasn't a good choice
 
6:42 PM
well, for infty or 1 norm the C-S inequality doesn't even make sense
because <x, y> is not defined
 
Well, of course we would be talking of an inner product space:P
but the norm isn't induced by the inner product that holds
 
of course the inequality won't hold if the inner product has nothing whatsoever to do with the norm!
 
hahah
you have a point
 
see, the norm satisfying |x|^2 = <x, x> really means the two structure, of a "normed vector space" and an "inner product space" being compatible. if they're not, not much will hold between them
 
right, makes sense
btw, guys, I've learned how to center the dot neatly
you just have to use curvy brackets
\vert{.}\vert $\implies \vert{.}\vert$
at least here in mathjax, it's not necessary in a decent file, like when you use Overleaf
 
6:51 PM
@ShaVuklia that's interesting
 
$|\cdot|$
 
that dot is in the middle
mine is lower
which is what I wanted
 
why would you want it lower?
 
haha, aesthetics? XD
it was written like that in a book
and I tried to copy it
 
6:53 PM
\cdot is centered vertically
 
higher is more common, actually - the point being to denote that you can fit "something" into that space
 
ah ok, then I'll use that I guess
 
I like $|\bullet|$ but people say $ \langle \bullet, \bullet \rangle$ looks like a smiley
 
hahaha
I've tried that too @Brody
 
lol, I thought there was an \ldot
 
6:54 PM
our teacher says it looks like an elephant
 
looks like morty
 
and he calls it an elephant:l
 
$|.|$ $|{.}|$
Ah
 
lol
 
6:56 PM
test $|\,.\,|$
 
test $\vert\cdot\vert$
 
$1+?+3$ and $1+{?}+3$
 
$\vert\mathring{}\vert$
 
test $|\begin{align}.\end{align}|$
 
lol
 
6:57 PM
$[1,2[\cup]3,4]$ and ${[1,2[}\cup{]3,4]}$
 
I don't like that the spacing between $\vert\cdot\vert$ and $\vert{.}\vert$ is so different:l
 
interesting, \mathring puts a circle in the middle of the line if there is nothing to place it on top of
 
this ain't mathjax, this is genocide
 
hahahahahahahhaha
sorry:P
that had me laughing out loud
 
$2\hat{}3$
 
6:58 PM
and so does \hat! $\overline{}$
 
Hm. $2{\widehat{\vphantom\cdot}}3$
 
Hi
 
Hey @meow
 
what's up
 
6:58 PM
welcome to TeX slaughtering and general procrastination chat room
 
XDXD
(my apologies :P)
 
@Akiva I don't know what to do. Should I ask her what I should do? Because being bored is awful
 
I guess
 
we LUV $L_aT^Ex$! XD
 
$2\hat{\vphantom\cdot}3=8$
$2\text^3=8$
 
7:00 PM
Omg Brody, thank god you're here in the Math Forum, I don't think you'd be making many friends in the Latex community:P
 
@Akiva whatever
 
ugh i wish i didn't have to take the chemistry exam
 
@ShaVuklia well, one could alienate the people here as well with bad TeX, maybe not as easily :p
 
@Balarka I can't take the AP exam
 
@MeowMix What's AP?
 
7:02 PM
advanced placement, basically college courses in high school
 
algebraic probability
 
Ah. Why not?
 
and it's because of district policy. you need to take the class in order to take the exam
 
@MeowMix that is dumb, like really really dumb
 
@MeowM Take which class? I'm confused. You're taking the exam to get enrolled in the college course classes, right?
 
7:04 PM
oh, another question for @Dami, @Eric and US students more generally, is attendance mandatory at your university?
 
No, to get the actual credits
 
I remember lobbying my high school's administration to let me take BC Calculus, but it worked at least
 
lol no @Alessandro
not at all
 
Huh.
 
I have been in classes where I go to less than 10% of the class meetings
 
7:05 PM
Let me see if I can at least skip some math
 
So why don't you want to get enrolled in the classes?
 
Well, I didn't ask that yet
 
@Eric neither is here (for maths), it is for some other faculties (like where you have lab based courses or stuff like that). I still go to all the lectures though :P
 
Not mandatory in general, though some colleges/departments at some unis mandate attendance for certain courses
 
You should do that.
 
7:06 PM
I think not mandating attendance is generally good, I feel like there were some classes I've taken where going would have just been a waste of my time because of a difference in learning style
 
e.g. freshman English composition at my uni only allows 2 unexcused absences until each succeeding unexcused absence deducts 10 points off your class grade
so, 6 absences is an automatic F regardless of your actual grades in the class
 
harsh
 
that's lame
 
yep
 
What about special circumstances, e.g. extremely sick, loss of loved one
 
7:08 PM
As long as you excuse your absences you should be fine, no ?
 
I see. The final exams at the end of the courses are the only thing that matters here, there are no mandatory attendance, assignments, projects or any of the like, as long as you go to the uni on the day of the exam and pass it you're fine
 
Oh, those would be excused
 
if you lose a loved one people aren't gonna be too jerkish to you
hopefully
 
Sure @Astyx, but those probably require documentation to back up. Just skipping oc wouldn't cut it (which I like to do sometimes)
 
Here it's up to the instructor how to determine what matters vs what doesn't matter for your grade, although there are guidelines from the university that you shouldnt be a jerk to your students
 
7:09 PM
I can understand that
 
@Balarka OK, I'm going to write an e-mail back to her.
 
Oh well yeah, excused absences should be totally ay-okay
 
carry around a certification from some doctor about your nonexistent terrific toothache
"certification"
 
@Eric Where mandatory attendance makes sense is for group work.
 
yeah totally I get that
like labs in science classes
 
7:12 PM
I, Dr. Whitener, officially certify that Balarka has a debilitating toothache and should be permitted to miss lectures, pursuant to his constant misery
 
Right.
 
Hi awesome user @ShaVuklia. How are you doing?
 
I also don't mind the idea of having a small participation component for lectures.
 
@Givemeabreak Are you Don'tDisturb?
 
But it shouldn't be a "show up or fail." It should be "learn enough to do well on the quizzes, or suffer the consequences."
 
7:13 PM
@MeowMix Kind of.
 
He is
 
Hi @Astyx
 
Hi @Meow
 
@MeowMix Do you want to provide with some nice solutions to my questions?
 
Any progress on that lemma ? :p
 
7:14 PM
what's the standard terminology (if any) for increasing/decreasing sequences?
 
@Give Uhh, depends. What kind of questions?
 
Monotonic?
 
@MeowMix Prove that $$3\zeta(2)\zeta(5)+\frac{3}{4}\zeta(3)\zeta(4)-6 \zeta(7)>0$$
 
(one of my favorite passages from Notes, btw)
 
7:15 PM
@Semiclassical that's why I like the fact that we don't have mandatory assignments, every professor publishes exercise sheets weekly, but it's up to us to do enough of them to pass the exam
 
my class interchanges monotonically incr/decr with just incr/decr. and a constant sequence counts as (monotonically) incr and decr
 
I'm sorta annoyed that I don't know a good way to approach the following: $\lim_{t\to \infty} \frac{1}{t}\log(e^Ae^{Bt})=?$
 
Looks like you might just want to expand those into their respective infinite sums
 
@alessandro but what if you just have a bad day?
 
What I notice is that 2+5=3+4=7
 
7:15 PM
@Astyx How do you know that is not one of my dogs that is typing now?
 
I don't
But my common sense helps
 
That's the (whole) point.
 
Or what's left of it
 
@Eric on the day of the exam you mean? You can take it at least in 5 different days (usually January, February, June, July and September) per academic year
 
7:17 PM
I was talking about my common sense, of course
 
e.g. $\{1,1,1,1,\ldots\}$ is increasing (same as monotonically increasing) as well as decreasing (same as monotonically decreasing), but this just sounds strange to me
 
oh ok that's great
 
you can even pass the exam, refuse the grade if you think you can do better and take it again next time
 
We generally don't offer make ups, at least my math department doesn't generally, which screwed me this past term because of illness on the day of a midterm.
 
@Givemeabreak Hi! I'm doing well, studying for my tests:) How are you?
 
7:18 PM
for example I'll have to take 5 exams this summer, but I can split them as I wish between June, July and Semptember
 
We don't generally do makeups either unless it's a university excused absence.
 
tbh I dig that... like a lot. I wish we could do something similar.
 
@BalarkaSen Very nice.
 
-But- we also allow students to drop their lowest quiz score.
 
@ShaVuklia Nice. Oh, well, I just entered here a bit to see what is going on. Perhaps I'll paint some more mathematics soon (or better say, in the next few minutes).
 
7:20 PM
So we can say "Oh, you had to miss one? Well, it won't count for your final grade so don't worry."
 
I've actually never had a class with quizzes at my school
 
Have you ever quoted that last line @Balarka? Feel like I've read it before
 
We've got four quizzes each semester (for the course I'm TA-ing).
 
@Givemeabreak Ah well, I'm curious to see it later, even though I most likely won't be able to follow it:P
 
I don't think I did; not consciously at least.
 
7:22 PM
Thoughts on dropping lowest test score? @Semiclassical
 
I wanted to quote a line or two from there but felt it's impossible to break it down so linked it whole, in fact.
 
@Balarka OK I sent an e-mail to the supervisor
 
Nice.
 
About seeing if I can get enrolled into the class.
 
Yeah, it's a gestalt of delicious irony.
 
7:23 PM
Is the plural of "curriculum" "curricula"?
 
I think so
 
@ShaVuklia you should be careful though, my (art of) mathematics might become very attractive, like a black hole, with no escape. :-)
 
@MeowMix yes
 
Noun: curriculum (plural curricula or curriculums)
  1. The set of courses, coursework, and their content, offered at a school or university.
  2. (obsolete) A racecourse; a place for running.
  3. curriculum m
  4. curriculum
  5. curriculum vitae, CV; resume: summary of education and employment experience
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oh my god I never thought of the etymology for that word and it makes so much sense in retrospect
 
7:25 PM
@Brody Hmm, I don't think that passage is truly ironical. The speaker is actually telling his logical conclusion, in contrast to being sarcastic.
maybe that's not apparent without reading the whole thing I guess
 
@Givemeabreak Hahah, I'm past the point of worrying about "escapism", and I most likely do condone it, especially if it is through math:P
2
 
@BalarkaSen Really? It's all a genuine exposition? I sense more layers than this, though I could certainly be way off.
 
Yes, he is deadly serious.
The character is not a jester. He's a very, very dark and rotten - through and through - person.
 
The last bit does point toward that, but even that part I took with some irony.
 
@ShaVuklia hehe, that's perfect! This is the attitude I like and admire.
 
7:29 PM
@BalarkaSen Ohhh, that makes a lot of sense.
 
@Givemeabreak :)
 
@ShaVuklia your smiles are beautiful :-)
I have some stuff to do now.
See ya
 
Haha, thanksXD See ya, good luck!
 
@ShaVuklia take care!
 
@Brody The first part is basically his philosophical journal, written in an awkward fashion - he himself being an awkward self-aware person. The second part tells the story which tells how he became what he is.
Notes is a masterpiece.
 
7:36 PM
Oh, it's one piece. I thought it was a compilation of different short works.
 
Ah, indeed, it isn't.
 
Maybe an irrelevant question, but say we have a vector $v=\{v_1,\dots,v_n\}$, is there a special notation for the following: $\{\vert v_1\vert,\dots,\vert v_n\vert\}$? I initially thought of writing $\vert v\vert$, but that is ambiguous of course.
 
I'll give it a read later! Having some idea of his person makes it much more interesting in fact
 
@ShaV Is $|\cdot|$ absolute value ?
 
yea, in the components it is
 
7:38 PM
For now, I'm gone. My lunch break is over :p
 
Let me know if you get to read it.
Byes.
 
I guess I'll just call it $v^*$ if there is no common notation for it
 
Sure thing, cyaz
 
There isn't a univeral notation for all I know
 
ah okay, thanks anyways
 
7:40 PM
I might be wrong though
Why does it have to be rainy tomorrow ? :(
 
because the clouds are full:P
 
Meh.
 
Didn't find a better comeback, sorry
 
@Daminark Btw, I've rewritten your proof, so that it is neat and complete!
We show that $\begin{align}\Vert v\Vert_1\leq\sqrt{n}\Vert v\Vert_2. \end{align}$ We are going to use the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality:
$$
\vert\langle x,y\rangle\vert\leq \Vert x\Vert\cdot \Vert y\Vert,
$$
where $\lVert{.}\rVert$ is a norm induced by an inner product. So we have:
$$
\Vert v\Vert_1=\sum_{i=1}^n\vert v_i\vert=\sum_{i=1}^n1\cdot\vert v_i\vert=\vert\langle 1_v,v^* \rangle \vert,
$$
where $1_v=\{1,\dots,1\}$ and $v^*=\{\vert v_1\vert,\dots,\vert v_n\vert\}$.
 
7:52 PM
You don't really need the absolute values around the dot product
 
oh yea okay
true
i'll remove them
 
Although that's not such a big deal, I'm being annoying :p
 
hahaha, well initially I didn't add them
but I wanted to make it clear that I'm using C-S :P
but it's better without I guess
because they are redundant
 
To make it clear, you should state : "By the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality, we have :"
 
you want it rigorous?:P alright, I'll make it rigorous
no wait, that's too difficult:l I don't even now how to introduce our normed vector space $V$, because there are two norms.
 
7:58 PM
Hey everyone! I'm back!
@Alessandro Note that attendance can be weird
In discussion classes attendance is required
In math classes it rarely is, however there is an extent to which attendance can help a lot. Professors notice the students, and they know who comes and who doesn't come
 

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