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9:02 PM
@BalarkaSen consider $S : (\sqrt{x^2+y^2}-1)^2 + z^2 \le 1$ with parametrization $\begin{cases} x &=& (1+\sin\varphi\cos\omega)\cos\theta \\ y &=& (1+\sin\varphi\cos\omega)\sin\theta \\ z &=& \sin\varphi\sin\omega \end{cases}$. Then, map $(\varphi,\theta,\omega)$ to $(\sin\varphi\exp(i\omega),
\cos\varphi\exp(i\theta)\left(\dfrac{\cos\varphi\sin\omega-i\sin\varphi-i\cos\omega}{1+\sin\varphi\cos\omega}\right)) \in \Bbb S^3$. Then, all the preimages of the Hopf fibration are unit circles.
 
9:52 PM
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Q: Primary Ideal in a PID

user193319 Let $R$ be a PID. An ideal $P$ in $R$ is said to be primary if $ab \in P$ and $a \notin P$ implies $b^n \in P$ for some $n \in \Bbb{N}$. Show that $P$ is primary if and only if $P = (p^n)$ for some $n \in \Bbb{N}$ and some prime element $p \in P$. Here is my attempt: Assume that $P = (p...

I don't think the answer given to this question is entirely correct, particularly the first part.
 
Can I ask a very difficult mechanics problem here?
 
10:08 PM
Never mind.
 
@LeakyNun the fibers of the hopf fibration are already unit circles in $S^3$. presumably you mean the preimages of the fibers under your map from $S$ to $S^3$. (also presumably $\varphi$ is being restricted to $[0,\pi/2]$ in your definition of the map). I am curious about the geometric meaning of your map.
 
If I have a sequence of random gaussians vectors $(X_{1,n},\ldots,X_{d,n})$ that converge a.e to $X=(X_1,\ldots,X_n)$. Is it possible to prove that $X$ is gaussian using the fact that is true for $1$-dimensional case?
 
@anon my map is a homeomirphism
my object lives in 3D
 
I recognize $S\subseteq\Bbb R^3$, and your map being a continuous is a topological fact about it, but I was curious about what it meant geometrically. (also, it seems your set $S$ is a solid torus around the unit circle in the xy-plane that has a ... "pinch point" at the origin - that is not even technically a manifold, plus it has a boundary, so I fail to see how it could be homeomorphic to $S^3$)
 
10:23 PM
I forgot to tell you that I glued each horizontal circle on the boundary to one point
it is a solid horn torus
also, it does not have to be a horn torus, but that's just my personal preference
the other visualizations of $\Bbb S^3$ that I have seen are either unbounded or need two disconnected objects to begin with
 
where did you see this one?
 
@anon I discovered it myself
 
cool. so how did you discover it? i.e. can the map be described geometrically?
 
@anon I played around with the two-tori visualization and figured that actually one torus would suffice
as to the map, consider $S(\alpha) : (\sqrt{x^2+y^2}-1)^2 + z^2 = \alpha^2$
$S(0)$ is the central horizontal circle, and it is mapped to $\{(0,w) \mid |w| = 1\}$
actually, $S(\sin\varphi)$ is mapped to $\{(z,w) \mid |z|^2 = \sin\varphi, |w|^2 = \cos\varphi\}$
$S(0)$ is a natural circle, $S(1)$ is a circle after gluing, and $S(\alpha)$ where $0<\alpha<1$ is a torus
each fiber of the Hopf map is a Villarceau circle on one of the torus $S(\alpha)$
 
11:00 PM
!&@(=!&@(+!=!)))+&@(
 
watch your language
 
there is a certain relationship between spaces... a torus can only wrap a circle and a sphere can only wrap a point
in some sense, $\Bbb T^2 @ \Bbb S^1$ and $\Bbb S^2 @ 0$
what is the $@$ I'm looking for?
@anon @BalarkaSen
 
"boundary of tubular neighborhood" might be your best bet
or maybe "unit normal bundle"
 
Hello!!! Is the instersection of two surfaces a surface?
 
@Evinda no, it can be a line
 
11:12 PM
or a point, or a circle, or a bunch of points and/or circles...
 
So it can be anything? It depends on the relations that have to be satisfied ?
 
well it can't be a cube
 
nobody said it could be anything
it's going to be some combination of 0D, 1D and 2D things
 
Can it be that it is in $\mathbb{R}^3$ ?@anon
 
1 min ago, by Leaky Nun
well it can't be a cube
 
11:15 PM
@Evinda the only way to intersect two surfaces is if the surfaces are subsets of some space X, in which case their intersection is also a subset of X
 
Last night, I dreamt about countable binary sequences forming a triangle tower continuum, and whenever one moves horizontally, some zeros have swapped places and highlighted in red
Some short while after I woke up, I then concluded that covered by the case I ruled out last night thus whatever is suggesting in the dream does not work
 
@anon The surfaces are subsets of $\mathbb{R}^3$. So couldn't their insersection be in $\mathbb{R}^3$ ?
 
your questions are extremely strange. what I just told you implies that, yes, the intersection of two surfaces in R^3 will also be subsets of R^3. which should be completely obvious, enough so that your questions seems a bit absurd.
 
@Evinda wofur fragest du das?
 
Ok @anon
@LeakyNun Nur so aus Interesse... Ich fragte mich ob es eine Oberfläche sein kann oder nicht...
 
11:22 PM
@LeakyNun how many languages do you know
 
Surfaces in $\Bbb{R}^3$ only has 2 degrees of freedom. Therefore, the maximum dimensions of their intersections can only be a 2D subspace
 
@orbit-stabilizer not that many
 
You cannot have two surfaces in $\Bbb{R}^3$ intersect to form a 3D subspace of $\Bbb{R}^3$
 
@Secret "subspace" is a linear algebra terminology
 
Ah I see @Secret
 
11:29 PM
@Evinda lernst du topologie auf deutsch?
I'm completely lost if I try to do maths in Chinese lol
 
do you learn topology in germany?
 
german
 
oooh i was close
im basically fluent
 
Nein ich habe mich noch nicht mit Topologie beschäftigt @LeakyNun
 
No, I have not learned much topology
 
11:31 PM
hi @Daminark are you aroudn ?
@anon would you like to discuss some little facts about VB ?
there is something that isn't clear to me because of the way it is worded in the book.
 
what is vb?
 
vector bundle
 
Yo @Adeek
 
complex vector bundle to be exact
 
@orbit-stabilizer There's an MSE saying the reason why $x^{\log_b y} = y^{\log_b x}$ is because it is basically reduces to the identity $a^{bc}=a^{cb}$
 
11:33 PM
which book is this?
 
I want to discuss some stuff about almost complex structure
Claire Voisin
@Daminark suppose you have some complex manifold X and we have the following coordinate chart $\phi_i : U_i \rightarrow C^n$
Then real tangent bundle $T_{U_i,R}$ can be identified with $U_i \times C^n$ using the push forward $\phi_*$
 
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Q: Understanding why $x^{\log_b(y)} = y^{\log_b(x)}$

PP1211According to wikipedia, we have that $$ x^{\log_b(y)} = y^{\log_b(x)} $$ because $$ x^{\log_b(y)} = b^{\log_b(x) \log_b(y)} = b^{\log_b(y) \log_b(x)} = y^{\log_b(x)} $$ But what justifies that first leap? $$ x^{\log_b(y)} = b^{\log_b(x) \log_b(y)} $$

 
okay so far?
 
Sorta? Like there's at least a vector bundle homomorphism locally
 
just making sure here so anyway we have a tangent bundle associated with the above
we can think of $C^n$ as $R^{2n}$
 
11:37 PM
Though right now I'm operating on plausibility stuff because I've had limited manifolds experience, just undergrad difftop
 
Leaky: There's actually a cheap way to well order anything:
Take any random element in an uncountable set and plug it into some uncomputable function with the only property being it will select randomly another element in an uncountable set that has not already been used
 
and so we have a natural real tangent bundle $T_{U,R}$
right ?
 
and so, eventually after uncountable steps, everything is labelled in sequence by the uncomputable function
 
Is that what is happening here ?
 
I think one issue of $\omega_1$ is it is necessary uncomputable, because by definition it is way beyond $\omegs_1^{CK}$, which is the first uncomputable ordinal
so whatever well orderings (plus some underlying set) that is part of the equivalence class of $\omega_1$ must also be uncomputable
How uncomputable it is I am not sure yet
 
11:40 PM
@Secret what languages do you speak?
 
I guess?
 
@LeakyNun Cantonese, a little mandarin and English
 
@Secret hokkien?
 
nope, I don't speak hokkien or other dialects
 
lol Tolkien is lord of the rings
 
11:42 PM
that's stupid mac autocorrect
 
@LeakyNun ?
 
@Adeek ?
 
@Daminark I see
@Daminark I figured out what I am supposed to ask it is all good
so yeah we just think of the $T_U,R$ as the associated real bundle of the in particular smooth manifold X
and then we will associate to it a natural complex structure on the tangent space
@Daminark we call such complex structure on tangent space almost complex structure on the
manifold X
I.e if X is real manifold such that we have natural operator $J : T_U,p \rightarrow T_U,p$ satisfying $J^2 = -1$ then we have a almost complex structure on X
 
@Secret thanks for the link!
 
11:59 PM
In mathematics, a Borel set is any set in a topological space that can be formed from open sets (or, equivalently, from closed sets) through the operations of countable union, countable intersection, and relative complement. Borel sets are named after Émile Borel. For a topological space X, the collection of all Borel sets on X forms a σ-algebra, known as the Borel algebra or Borel σ-algebra. The Borel algebra on X is the smallest σ-algebra containing all open sets (or, equivalently, all closed sets). Borel sets are important in measure theory, since any measure defined on the open sets of a space...
[Rant] But there is no grounds to justify constructively the use of $\omega_1$
 

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