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22:00
@MatheiBoulomenos what did you do to compute the degree?
(No full solution, just that part)
having drawn the tree, what is lacking is my group theory knowledge...
does degree 12 mean subgroup of $S_{12}$?
Oh, that simplifies
Just because it is the Galois group of a polynomial of degree $6$, it's actually a subgroup of $S_6$
Oh, no it doesn't
what does the degree mean then
the order of the subgroup?
@MatheiBoulomenos is it enough to transpose the roots?
Yes, the degree of the extension is the order of the subgroup
oh, my cycle must be $p \mapsto q\omega \mapsto p\omega^2 \mapsto q \mapsto p\omega \mapsto q\omega^2$
there's a 6-cycle
together with the swapping of p,q
<(1 2 3 4 5 6), (1 4)>
22:04
I was wondering
@LeakyNun so the Dihedral group $D_12$. That is correct
@MatheiBoulomenos wow
*$D_{12}$ I can't LaTeX it seems
ok, how do you get $D_6$ from those two generators?
beginner's luck :)
Let $R$ be a ring where $ab = ba$ is not necessarily true. Is there a general solution to the equation $x^2 + ax + xb + c = 0$? $a,b,c \in R.$
22:06
wait, so $p \mapsto p\omega \mapsto p\omega^2$ is actually a valid 3-cycle!
but I thought $\Bbb Q(\omega)$ has degree 2
@MatheiBoulomenos are you here?
Yes, I'm thinking
from my tree diagram I can get 6 from $\Bbb Q(t,p,\omega)/\Bbb Q(t,\omega)$ or $\Bbb Q(t,p,\omega)/\Bbb Q(t,p^3)$ or $\Bbb Q(t,p^3,\omega)/\Bbb Q(t)$ or $\Bbb Q(t,p)/\Bbb Q(t)$
more like category theory
another one: if $R$ is a noncommutative ring, is it necessarily true that $\forall x \in R, x^n$ has the same value independently of the order of operations?
@LucasHenrique yes, that's a result in group theory
Oops, appears I made a terrible mistake...
22:12
right, when I noticed 2x3 and 3x2 I should have immediately said Z6
I mean, ignoring the other 2
Is there any product $\cdot$ such that $(G/H) \cdot H \cong G$?
I mean, not necessary a well-defined product
just a name
@MatheiBoulomenos how do I get the exercises from coursera?
Are you sure you mean
<(1 2 3 4 5 6), (1 4)> and not
<(1 2 3 4 5 6), (1 4)(2 5)(3 6)>? If you swap $p$ and $q$, you have to swap $\omega p$ and $\omega q$ as well
@MatheiBoulomenos you're right
I've no idea what I was thinking
oh and I can describe in terms of the generators...
1. $r(p)=q\omega$, $r(\omega)=\omega$
2. $s(p)=q$, $s(\omega)=\omega$
this looks wrong in every possible way
I'm writing a program, and I need to find the inverse of a function, but I have absolutely no idea how to do it, could someone here give me a hand?
@ATaco what is the function?
Hold on, let me format it.
22:20
You have to register, then enroll for the course (there's a free option, you don't have to pay), then you can access the course material @LeakyNun
@MatheiBoulomenos the free option is a 7-day trial
Really? That's sad to hear, they must have changed that since I've taken the course, sorry
1. $r(p) = q\omega$, $r(\omega)=\omega$
2. $s(p) = p$, $s(\omega) = \omega^2$
that's better
r = (123456)
s = (26)(35)
<(123456),(26)(35)> sorry for the confusion @MatheiBoulomenos
You have to chose to "audit" the course
Hi. Does anyone have some references or experience with dealing with samples of random size? Mostly I'm interested in CLT's, LLN's... Having problems with a random denominator (sample size)
22:23
It's really small and hidden below the big options of paying 7-day trial, but I think it's there
@LeakyNun, that generators look right. They satisfy the relation from the standard presentation of the dihedral group
@MatheiBoulomenos thanks
@MatheiBoulomenos do you have another problem for me?
I'm in the search of resources on the Inverse Tangent function, and I only found this so far:
Any recommendations ?
22:28
@LeakyNun No, I can't think of one right now, sorry
@FuzzyPixelz Wolfram Functions is another good resource: functions.wolfram.com/ElementaryFunctions/ArcTan
@MatheiBoulomenos thanks
@MatheiBoulomenos how do you distinguish between $D_{12}$ and $\Bbb Z_{12} \times \Bbb Z_2$ and $\Bbb Z_{24}$?
I'd also suggest the DLMF, which has two pages on inverse trig functions: (1) (2)
Well, $D_12$ is non-Abelian
I mean $D_{12}$
you can edit your messages if it hasn't been long
22:31
How?
@MatheiBoulomenos how do I check if my group is abelian?
@MatheiBoulomenos there are many ways depending on your platform
@Semiclassical Thanks for the surprisingly fast and useful reply $:)$
easiest way is to push the up key on your keyboard while in the text line
If it is the Galois group of a polynomial, if you can find a non-normal intermediate field, then the Galois group cannot be Abelian
also, if you put your cursor just next to the text, then a little dropdown menu will be clickable
22:32
@MatheiBoulomenos how do I check if a field is normal?
Well, there are multiple definitions of normal extensions. One possible definition is that $L/K$ is a normal extension, if for any polynomial with coefficients in $K$ that has a root in $L$, all roots must lie in $L$
equivalent definitions, I hope
Yes, equivalent definitions
not different conventions
@MatheiBoulomenos where else can the roots lie in?
Well, you always have all the roots in some algebraic closure of $K$
22:35
oh
@BalarkaSen hmmmmm
So for $\Bbb Q(i,\sqrt[12]3)$ (this question), $\Bbb Q(i)/\Bbb Q$ is not a normal extension?
@MatheiBoulomenos
$\mathbb Q(i) / \mathbb Q$ is normal
In fact, any degree $2$ extension is normal
22:38
oh, so $\Bbb Q(\sqrt[12]3)/\Bbb Q$ isn't normal?
Because it doesn't contain all the roots of $x^{12}-3$
oh!
$\sqrt[12]3\zeta_{12}$ is a root of $x^{12}-3$
So, without any further calculations we can conclude that the Galois group of $x^{12}-3$ cannot be Abelian
By the way, if you want to pedantic: it's not a field itself that is normal or not, it's always an (algebraic) extension
So if you write "$\mathbb Q(\sqrt[12]3)$ is not normal", that is imprecise
22:44
@LeakyNun could you help me with this? :p
I'll go to sleep now. Good night everyone!
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A: Galois of splitting field of $x^{12}-1$

Kenny LauWe can write the roots as $\zeta^k$ where $0 \le k < 12$. Then, let $r$ be an automorphism of $\Bbb Q(\zeta)/\Bbb Q$ that takes $\zeta$ to $\zeta^s$. We know that $r(\zeta^k) = r(\zeta)^k = \zeta^{sk}$. Therefore, automorphisms of $\Bbb Q(\zeta)/\Bbb Q$ are automorphisms of $\Bbb Z_{12}$, which...

@MatheiBoulomenos :c
I'm amazed by my achievement on the first day
@LucasHenrique induction
ok. so $x^2 = x*x$, so it's trivially valid
what about $x^n = x^{n-1}*x = x*x^{n-1}$?
mmhmm
looooooooooooooool.
$x^{n-1} = x \times x \times \dots \times x \implies x \times x^{n-1} = x \times x \times x \times \dots \times x = (x \times x \times \dots \times x) \times x = x^{n-1} \times x$
22:50
@LeakyNun do you want to see my overly complicated solution to that galois group from earlier?
@MatheiBoulomenos yes
need some spaces in tere
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A: Galois group of $ X^6-2tX^3+1 $ over $ \mathbb{Q}(t) $

MatheiBoulomenosYou cannot in general deduce the irreducibility of $f(X^n)$ from the irreducibility of $f(X)$. (Consider $f$ as polynomial over $\mathbb Q[t]$ and reduce modulo the prime element $2t+1$, then we get $\bar f = X^6+X^3+1$ over $\mathbb Q[t] / (2t+1) \cong \mathbb Q$. But the irreducibility of thi...

$x^{n-1} = xx * \dots x \implies xx^{n-1} = xxx * \dots x = (xx * \dots x) * x = x^{n-1} * x$
@MatheiBoulomenos what is $\operatorname{Gal}(\Bbb Q(\zeta_{12})/\Bbb Q)$? [or give me hints]
22:52
does it suffice?
* is used for doing bold in chat as well, so it's easy to get mathjax mixed up
wait, @MatheiBoulomenos
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A: Galois of splitting field of $x^{12}-1$

Kenny LauWe can write the roots as $\zeta^k$ where $0 \le k < 12$. Then, let $r$ be an automorphism of $\Bbb Q(\zeta)/\Bbb Q$ that takes $\zeta$ to $\zeta^a$. We know that $r(\zeta^k) = r(\zeta)^k = \zeta^{ak}$. Therefore, automorphisms of $\Bbb Q(\zeta)/\Bbb Q$ are automorphisms of $\Bbb Z_{12}$, which...

I said it's $V_4$ here but somehow I can't believe it
not making any comment to validity, just the mathjax
why would the Galois group of the splitting field of $X^4-X^2+1$ be $V_4$
I expected more elements
It's $V_4$, that is correct
22:53
Is there a way to see it from $X^4-X^2+1$ alone?
oh wait, $X^4-X^2+1 = (X^2-1)^2+X^2 = (X^2-iX-1)(X^2+iX-1)$
nope, that tells me nothing
$\operatorname{Gal}(\Bbb Q(\zeta_{12})/\Bbb Q) \cong (\mathbb{Z}/12\mathbb{Z})^{\times} \cong (\mathbb{Z}/3\mathbb{Z} \times \mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z})^{\times} \cong (\mathbb{Z}/3\mathbb{Z})^{\times} \times (\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z})^{\times} \cong (\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}) \times (\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z})$
@MatheiBoulomenos I mean, can I see it from $X^4-X^2+1$ alone?
Not sure. But you can convince yourself that it must be $V_4$ by looking at intermediate extensions
@MatheiBoulomenos which?
$\mathbb{Q}(\zeta_3)/\mathbb{Q}$ and $\mathbb{Q}(i)/\mathbb{Q}$
These are both subextensions of degree 2
23:00
hmm
interesting
Once you know that the extension has degree 4, this means that the Galois group can't be $\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}$, because $\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}$ has only one subgroup of index $2$
Let $x=\zeta_{12}$. Then, $1,x,x^2,x^3,x^2-1,x^3-x,-1,-x,-x^2,-x^3,-x^2+1,-x^3+x$
This is gold
This amazes me so much
So it must be $V_4$, as there are only two isomorphism classes of groups of order $4$
that's very cool
@Lucas: Help with what?
Heya DogAteMy
I'm being confuzled.
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@MatheiBoulomenos I just read your answer
I was like "wt??"
oh!!! the tree I draw is exactly the subgroup tree!! why am I so stupid
DogAteMy: Suppose I take a codimension-2 real subspace of $\Bbb C^3$ and project it down to $\Bbb CP^2$. Of course, when it's a complex $2$-dimensional subspace, we get a projective line downstairs. What if it's not closed under complex scalar multiplication?
I just need to match the trees
Ted is being confuzled @_@
Yeah, I've never thought about this sort of question. It hurts my brain. (It's a question on main.)
23:08
@TedShifrin is what I said correct?
Huh? I'm not paying attention to you.
oh, that's the whole Galois correspondence... fundamental theorem of Galois theory
I keep drawing trees of intermediate fields
not realizing that it's exactly the subgroup three
Except upside-down.
and normal subgroups correspond to normal extensions
23:09
@MatheiBoulomenos hey, you're still here
nice to have met you
the pleasure is all mine
Yeah, I should really go to sleep now I guess
is the Galois group of the splitting field of pq the product of Gal(split(p)) and Gal(split(q))?
Night, @MatheiBoulomenos.
@LeakyNun not necessarily.
Say I want to maximize $f(x,y)$ and you want to minimize it, and I have control of $x$ and you have control of $y$. A reasonable idea would be that at each time step, I increment $x$ by an infinitesimal multiple of $\partial_xf$ and you increment $y$ by an infinitesimal multiple of $-\partial_yf$.
23:12
e.g. not if p=q
There are certain conditions under which this is true
@anon I mean, p and q coprime
For $f(x,y)=xy$, we just end up going in circles around the origin.
@MatheiBoulomenos what conditions?
even still, their splitting fields can intersect nontrivially despire their being coprime
23:13
interesting
Galois theory is really interesting
how old was he when he developed this?
It's like gradient descent but with two players and it never ends up at a local minimum or saddle point.
heya @anon :)
he must have been a genius
heya
@LeakyNun for example, x^2-2 and (x+1)^2-2 have the same splitting field and are coprime
Mr anon, I'm being a dope. Can you answer this? Suppose I take a codimension-2 real subspace of $\Bbb C^3$ and project it down to $\Bbb CP^2$. Of course, when it's a complex $2$-dimensional subspace, we get a projective line downstairs. What if it's not closed under complex scalar multiplication?
23:13
@anon say what
oh
of course
so what are the conditions?
the two fields must have trivial intersection
I copied and pasted, so I need to go back and edit the math stuff. :P
@MatheiBoulomenos oh alright
since when did trivial mean like the whole of $\Bbb Q$ lol
The precise statement is: If $L_1/K$ and $L_2/K$ are galois extensions and we have that $L_1 \cap L_2 = K$, then the Galois group of the compositum of these extensions is the product of the individual Galois groups
thanks
23:17
the isomorphism is also really simple, you just restrict the automorphism to both the fields
I guess we get points $[1,Z_1,Z_2]\in\Bbb CP^2$ with $Z_2$ a real multiple of $Z_1$ if I take the example $\Im(z_2)=\Im(z_1)=0$.
so $X^3-2$ has Galois group $\Bbb Z_3$ and $X^3-1$ has Galois group $\Bbb Z_2$?
So, as I suspected, it's a real analytic subvariety of real codimension 1 in general.
$X^3-2$ has Galois group $S_3$
Does that seem kosher?
23:19
@MatheiBoulomenos hmm
@MatheiBoulomenos oh right, prime and two complex roots
@TedShifrin I'd suspect the same for the generic case
Hey @Ted! I don't know what you mean. Is that a reply to one of my messages?
Yeah. Me too.
@Lucas: You asked for help a while ago :D
Thanks for thinking, @anon.
oh, right.
So let $R$ be a noncommutative ring. How can one prove that $x^n$ is always the same independently of the order of operations?
(yeah, I didn't start your abstract algebra book. :p)
@LeakyNun said that it could be done with induction. I mean, it's pretty trivial by associativity
Yeah, this is just associativity. Not very interesting.
23:24
I was thinking about matrices, but I remembered that they keep associativity
@TedShifrin in the hopf fibration $S^3\to S^2$, if you take the preimages of latitudes then stereographically project, you get nested tori in $\Bbb R^3$. if you intersect these with any open half-plane along the axis in $\Bbb R^3$, you get nested circles. is there a good reason off the top of your head these are precisely the circles with prescribed center in the upper half-plane model of hyperbolic geometry?
probably has to do with lie sphere geometry
man, I'm so anxious when it comes about uni
all this graduate-level math makes me amazed
This is something I should know off the top of my head, but I never did much with hyperbolic geometry in higher dimensions, @anon (cuz I did projective complex algebraic geometry mostly).
Have you looked at Cecil's book on Lie sphere geometry?
well, the observation is 2D hyperbolic geometry, but maybe understanding goes into higher D
Wait ... This is back in 2D now?
23:27
@TedShifrin currently reading it
@TedShifrin yeah, the half-planes around the axis in 3D are all 2D half-planes
Ah, cool. :) He and Chern wrote a few papers together on it.
OK, so 2D hyperbolic geometry I'm supposed to know because I have a chapter on it in my book.
Hyperbolic circles with a fixed center?
yeah, all the nested circles culminate in a single point, and all of them are hyperbolic circles with that as their center
I checked
But hyperbolic circles are Euclidean circles — just with a different center. That's your point?
in general, given any collection of circles nested around a given point, there's no reason to believe all of their centers are that one single point (interpreted as circles in the upper half plane model of hyperbolic geometry), so the situation with the hopf fibration is special in that we should expect some explanation to exist
Maybe this is related to looking at the $S^3$ at infinity in $\Bbb H^3$ and thinking about it there. One of my former colleagues at UGA would know this immediately.
Another cool book you should check out for various classic geometry things, @anon, is Marcel Berger's 2-volume book Geometry I,II (meant for high school teachers in France, but there's a ton of sophisticated stuff in there).
23:35
have also seen those, like them
Ah, cool. You've become quite the geometry afficionado without my knowing :)
@Ted how does "mapping" work on geometry?
So maybe you can pull the Hopf map back from $S^3\to S^2$ to $\Bbb H^3\to S^2$ by thinking about the horocycles at infinity.
Can you make that more specific, @Lucas?
I'm saying that because of that "map an ellipse into a circumference" thing
Oh, I was wrong about that area question. My affine geometry approach was not valid.
Is that what you're recalling? I said you can obtain an ellipse from a circle by a linear mapping on the plane. Define $T(x,y) = (ax,by)$ and it sends the unit circle to the ellipse $x^2/a^2+y^2/b^2=1$.
23:38
Hey guys.
Hi @ALannister.
I just put up a 100 point bounty on this question:
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Q: Change of Variable: Changing integral from one measure space into another

ALannisterIn my text, I have the following change of variables formulas: A function $f: \Omega \mapsto \mathbb{R}$ is integrable with respect to the induced measure $\mu (T^{-1})$ iff $f(T)$ is integrable with respect to $\mu$. In this case, it holds that $$ \int_{\Omega}f(T(\omega))\mu(d \omega) ...

Radon-Nikodym derivative?
I haven't thought about this kind of real analysis carefully in centuries.
@TedShifrin if that's what it is, I'm unaware that it's called that. The Radon-Nikodym theorem appears way, way, way at the end of our text, and therefore, probably can't be used here.
Yeah, it's all about pullback measure and the generalization of the Jacobian.
23:39
I'm at a point where I need to figure out how to show that two sides are equal to each other -
Using what it means to take an integral over a certain set
Already been to my professor - I even tape recorded our conversation and was just listening to it over again - still did not help.
let $$f(x) = { x^2 + 4x + 2 ; x < -2, -x^2 - 4x + 1; x => -2;$$
@ALannister. For starters, it would help if you defined $T$ as a mapping from $\Omega_1$ to $\Omega$. And I have no idea what you're writing when you write $\mu(T^{-1}) d\mu_1. So I'm not going to try to spend hours thinking about this.
it's an induced measure.
Well, some things are sufficiently technical that those of us out of area can't deal with them.
I can help with technicalities in differential geometry pretty decently.
All right then. Tell your probability friends.
I need to figure this out before midnight.
23:42
Don't count on us. :)
I wish I could count on myself.
@MATHASKER: You should learn how to type that in ChatJax. Use begin{cases} .... end{cases}.
Anyhow, @MATHASKER, what's your question?
f(x) would be continous at the value of -2 right
@LeakyNun Sorry for the delay, manager called me up. (See below) Where $g$ is 9.81 and $h$ is 10.
good luck
23:45
would f(x) be diferentiable at x = -2?
@MATHASKER what do you think?
@MATHASKER. Using the first formula, what's $\lim_{x\to -2^-} f(x)$? What's $\lim_{x\to -2^+}f(x)$ using the second?
I mean i can't draw a tangent line right at -2 because there is a hole
There's no hole.
not hole but like no value
23:46
You wrote $x\ge -2$ for the second condition.
If there's no (easy) way to get the inverse of this ugly function, I'll stick with the brute force method, as I only need to calculate it to an integer accuracy.
@TedShifrin well depends on your defn of hole
To me, a hole is drawn when the point is missing from the domain.
from the left its aproaching -2 from the right its approaching pos 5
Then it certainly is not continuous at $x=-2$, because $f(-2) = 5$.
23:49
oh ok
what about differentiable?
Can a function be differentiable if it's not continuous?
What theorem do you know?
theorems?
oh so if its not continous it can't be differentiable
because ...
Maybe because like if its not continous there can't be a tangent line if there is two points the function is approaching
That's intuitive blather. Don't you have a theorem that makes a precise statement?
If $y=f(x)$ is differentiable at $x=a$, then ....
23:54
i think my teacher gave something out about this but i wasn't really paying attention
Well, maybe you need to pay attention.
We're not here to reward your laziness.
yes i know it was just for a moment and then it began confusing me
it was only for like one moment and i missed the points he told us and when he was doing examples i got confused
Well, you've learned that you can't afford to let your mind wander and goof off.
The end of the statement I wrote is ... $f(x)$ is continuous at $x=a$. I'm done.
if x = a has a defined point?
Write down the definition of the derivative at $x=a$ as a limit, and figure out if it'd make any sense if $f(x)$ were discontinuous at $x=a$.

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