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I was rolling the ellipse along a line, @Semiclassic.
The stuff you linked to is totally standard — hypo- and epicycloids.
Yeah, that part is.
They also talk near the end about when you let balls of specific radius roll along the entire sphere. Somehow that's related to the exceptional Lie group G2...
How? idfk
hi @TedShifrin
Hi Karim
@TedShifrin I really love my ring-theory class. Also, my algebraic topology class is amazing.
"You'd never guess it, but the really amazing stuff happens when you roll a ball on another ball that's exactly 3 times as big. In that case, the geometry of what's going on turns out to be related to special relativity in a weird universe with 3 time dimensions and 4 space dimensions! Even more amazingly, it's related to a strange number system called the split octonions."
23:02
Definitely this semester is starting good much better than last semester.
that's just weird.
Oh, cool, @Semiclassic
Good, Karim.
Yeah. I don't claim to have an inkling of what's going on there.
I still have no idea what G_2 is
Does octonions have to do with onions ?
23:03
@TedShifrin I kept answering prof question in class he told me he likes my peformance. He told me he will introduce local rings, which will allow us to kinda of consider nbhds. I thought that was really cool.
My knowledge is limited to "it's an exceptional Lie group."
Or E_2 or any of those
@KasmirKhaan Only to the extent that they both can make you cry.
It reminds me of topology and differential geometry. Hopefully he will cover a lot of algebraic geometry.
DogAteMy: Did you see what I just said above?
23:04
@Semiclassical i was making a joke =p
Well, DogAteMy, I'm not too far ahead of you on exceptional Lie groups.
So was I :)
I am reading Eisenbudd and michael atiyah. Eisenbudd introduced the notion of local rings quite early and discussed the geometry behind stuff in algebra.
That if I do the algebra smartly I don't get a quartic?
Yes, that.
23:05
I think the only thing I know concretely about the exceptional Lie groups is that, just like the regular ones, they've got Dynkin diagrams.
You do have to think carefully about why all the algebra steps are $\iff$, DogAteMy.
I can go from $x=y$ to $x^2=y^2$ if I know $x$ is positive
That's apparently G_2's Dynkin diagram.
Biconditionally, I mean
23:06
I used to know what that meant :/
Right. That'll be relevant at one step.
The first one?
What's the question, out of curiosity?
Well, several steps, DogAteMy. Actually, if you're doing it at the first step, that's why you're getting a quartic.
Proving that the sum of distances from the foci definition is the same as the usual quadratic definition of an ellipse, @Semiclassic.
Ah.
Yeah, I always found that to be a pain.
23:08
Going from $\sqrt{(x-c)^2+y^2}+\sqrt{(x+c)^2+y^2}=2a$ to $\frac{x^2}{a^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1$
Probably because I made the algebra harder than I needed to.
with $c=\sqrt{a^2-b^2}$
It's not that bad, especially since DogAteMy is an expert at clever algebra, etc.
Maybe I'll try doing that quick.
Just to remind myself.
@TedShifrin …Um.
I guess I need to prove myself now.
23:10
Well, you've impressed me in the past, DogAteMy :)
Semiclassic, you have far more important things to be doing.
He's still working on that ODE, right?
starts humming Ode to Joy involuntarily
We'll have to start calling you Schiller, DogAteMy.
Considering I'm going to hang out with old college friends tonight, not really.
The reference is lost on me @TedShifrin
He wrote the text that Beethoven set.
23:12
Oh, he wrote the words?
Ah.
Plus I've pretty much decided that the Igusa invariants don't help me either.
As far as I can tell, there's really nothing special about my curve when I perturb it in one way versus the others.
Really, @Semiclassic. You mean those constants aren't in fact moduli?
Not sure what you mean.
Varying them doesn't vary the complex structure of the curve?
My issue was that I've got a curve with 3 parameters a,b,c. My hope was that c=0 would be special in a way that didn't depend on $a,b$.
23:16
Oh, I'm sure it still depends on $a,b$.
Gotcha.
I was hoping that 'something' about the complex structure would be stable w/r/t changes in a,b but not to c.
But as far as I can tell there's nothing like that.
Plus, just computing the Igusa invariants of my curve y^2=f(x) is a pain. If c=0, the roots of f(x) are of the form 0,1,-1,a,b,-a-b. If $c\neq 0$, then the first three roots are c,1,-1 and the others are (complicated) functions of c.
But "I can easily compute the Igusa invariants when c=0 but not otherwise" is not a terribly helpful characterization.
Which is frustrating.
Yeah, I didn't look too carefully at the page, but none of this is surprising.
No, it's not.
About the only 'obvious' thing that $c\neq 0$ does is move the root at the origin.
And, well---so what?
About the only other thing that I could think of playing a difference when it comes to period integrals on said curve is whether the differential form I'm using would have a residue at infinity.
Alas, I checked: while it does have a residue at infinity, said residue doesn't depend on $c$.
So that's something that -doesn't- change with $c$ but does with $a,b$---precisely the reverse of what I want. aggh
23:31
well, maybe you want to change the meromorphic 1-form :P
@TedShifrin Ah, I see. I multiply by the conjugate, to get that $\sqrt{\dotsb}-\sqrt{\dotsb}=2cx/a$. I then add that to the original thing and divide by $2$ to get $\sqrt{(x+c)^2+y^2}=cx/a+a$. And then I manipulate that.
Trouble is, as far as I know I don't have the freedom to change that.
Oh, that's more than needed. You just need to move one of the square roots to the other side before you square.
Oh. But then I'd still have a square root there
Wouldn't I need to isolate it and square again to get rid of it?
23:33
But you simplify first!
Let me try, then
Board in an hour. Then I need to force myself asleep.
We should end up at the same place.
You going to Russia this time, @MikeM?
You travel infinitely more as a grad student than I did.
23:35
I'm a social guy.
Which I certainly have never been!
Ah, I see. Despite having an extra square root, we also end up with an $x^2$ on both sides, so they cancel
so squaring again gets us back to quadratic.
There you go, DogAteMy. There's still a subtlety coming up in justifying the reverse step.
And, to be honest, all we need is that it's a quadratic. All bounded quadratics are ellipses.
Fair enough :)
As I said, #9 and #13 are more interesting results.
23:37
@TedShifrin Before we square, on one side of the equation there's just a square root.
Square roots are positive.
Next step :)
Oh, wait, I missed a subtlety
How do you know the reverse step will work when you go on ?
Hm. Can I assume $x$ and $y$ are positive, due to the symmetry of the figure?
ok, out for the night.
bye
23:40
Bubye.
It's clearly symmetric from either definition.
Bye!
You shouldn't have to make such a blithe assumption.
@TedShifrin I am marking for multi-variable analysis this semester. I am so happy.
I will learn a lot of things
Make sure you do a good job. There are complicated things in this subject :P
Did you ever get help on that calculus prof who wanted you to regrade everything?
I did, but I complained to the dean, and he made her apologize to me.
And I got paid extra money.
23:46
Good at the extra money. It shouldn't have had to go to the Dean. That's absurd.
Yeah.
The department head should have handled it.
Her emails to me was very rude.
He was away.
Oh, OK ... Her own damn fault for being arrogant and not paying attention/being too lazy in the first place.
I hope she learned a lesson (probably not).
yeah. Also, the average for the class was 40 %. That is crazy.
23:47
Stellar teacher.
Even for a calculus class. So, it tells that she is not good instructor.
yeah..
Well, if the exams were reasonable, this is a horrid average.
On the other hand, I've had classes where my students were lazy and didn't learn and figured I'd just give them higher grades than they deserved.
So I can't judge without more information.
But, I mean it this doesn't happen for class of 160 students though
I mean it makes sense if the class was 20 people.
Which semester calculus was it?
First?
yeah
23:49
First semester in the fall should be the best freshmen.
Well, next-to-best ... The best probably placed out.
But mostly not ones who needed precalculus or who flunked it before.
yeah.
Do you have copies of the exams? If so, email me. I'm curious to see.
yeah I will email it to you.
Aside from teaching it myself a few times, I've mentored grad students teaching this numerous times and have criticized/monitored their exams, so I have a bit of experience.
yeah
@TedShifrin Our professor told me that he will go to some algebraic geometry at the end.
I am really excited for this. Algebra becomes much more interesting when geometry is involved.
23:53
Balarka was learning that a while ago, right?
And Mike knows it also I think
Well, commutative algebra leads either to number theory or to algebraic geometry :P
I'd be shocked if a teacher could affect a grade that much.
I don't know algebraic geometry beyond the basics @Akiva. It's a huge modern field of research.
Oh, bad teaching and bad exams can have quite an effect, @PVAL. I'm curious to see the exam.
23:55
On the other hand, one of the reasons I retired is that I had always prided myself on motivating students to work their butts off and pass, and even in upper-division classes, I was no longer succeeding with some of 'em.
I suppose I failed back 30 years ago, too, but it seems more decisive now.
@TedShifrin I sent it to you.
Just one page? :)
Yeah I took picture to show to dean I forgot to take pic of all exam.
I'd go as far as to say even the students who think they got a lot out of a precalc lecture are deluded.
But the other was trivial. It was 9 questions of right/wrong,related rates, and a integral question
23:57
Ohhhh
This was way too hard a question to start with antiderivatives/FTC.
The teacher is clueless.
Wait. No max/min problems to write out?
no
Modern assembly line precalc and calc tests competence, speed and accuracy in middle school arithmetic and high school algebra and perhaps a slight effort on skimming through calculus material.
I would fire her immediately.
many of the exams had help me in the answers I felt bad grading the exams.
And that is not a sexist remark. A lot of math professors need to be taught basics of teaching and exam-writing. I feel very sorry for the students. They should complain to the Head for sure.
23:59
@Adeek :(
Why is a mean of 40 even relevant?
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