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7:07 PM
@Agawa001 Oh nice, thank you.
 
7:20 PM
there s some questions at stackoverflow that are much like "do this task for me", i dont wonder why are nt they answered
 
YES
I think I did it.
It works!
 
what ?
 
I am trying to determine combinations using a program I am writing.
 
just use the equation i provided
 
I just kind of though of a solution, scribbled it down, wrote it in, and it seems to work.
 
7:37 PM
@Owatch @Agawa001 o/
 
That scared me so bad.
I had headphones on.
Was deep in thought.
How are you. I am in your time zone now.
 
dong
I'm fine :D what about you ?
Btw did you add anything to that gravitation simulation app ? :-)
 
Yeah, I added color options and stuff.
Its free now BTW
 
hey, le pegase :p
 
Don't worry, you are nicely on credits screen!
 
7:40 PM
I don't have a iphone/ipad though :( too bad lol
 
Hold one second
@Hippalectryon i.imgur.com/jXC4KJp.png
 
It is under "testing" though. I did not have separate categories.
 
@DanielFischer Hi.
@DanielFischer If you have a chance, please take a look at my post.
 
@Moses What if $a = 1$ and $b = 0$? It's not generally true if $\lVert a-b\rVert = \frac{1}{\lVert a^{-1}\rVert}$.
 
7:56 PM
@hippa Guess what
@hippa Remember my javelin exercise from last day
The real question was in fact "How long will the javelin throw last ?"
@Hippa And the 98(the answer) was not random because it's (in meters) the world record for javelin throwing
 
@DanielFischer Good point. mmmmm So you saying I'm done...
@DanielFischer You going to watch the US open tennis quarter finals?
 
@Ramanewbie the 98 was in seconds?
 
@Moses No. I haven't watched TV for a long time.
 
@Ramanewbie -_______- I hope that now you understand how stupid the whole conversion of math problem into stupid "real life problems" is :c
 
@Rigor Yes...
 
8:03 PM
@Ramanewbie no ...
 
@hippa Why ? It was just a mistake from my teacher (as well as the missing 's')...
@hippa ^ Why no
 
Because the record is about 110 meters
That's way below 98 seconds in the air
 
That world record does not include how long the javelin is in the air.
 
@hippa NO
 
Oh okay
 
8:06 PM
@hippa The world record is 98, that's why it was the answer.
@hippa But my teacher just asked for the distance instead of the time
 
@Ramanewbie link to somewhere that says it's 98s ?
 
Going to be a good one tonight. Check it out online.
 
@Hippa No... my maths teacher said it to me, that's it...
But I believe it must be true.
 
@Ramanewbie But that's false -_-
 
@MikeMiller My computer got busted, sorry. If $g \in G$ acts on $M$ by reversing orientation, then look at the orbit $G_x$. $x$ and $gx$ has opposite local orientation. But then look at the image of the orbit via the quotient. $M/G$ is orientable, so lift a loop from there. Lift an open cover of the loop to get an open cover for the path connecting $x$ and $gx$. Coherence of orientation in $M$ is now totally void.
 
8:08 PM
@hippa How d'you now
 
@Ramanewbie because "javelin throw record 98 seconds" brings no relevant result at all
 
The equation gives vertical height in terms of time @Ramanewbie
 
@Rigor 98 is a distance, as I said before. It's 98 mark
 
@hippa I know, but the exercise was MEANT to show that the distance is 98m
 
98.48
 
8:09 PM
@hippa You see ^
 
But it's not 98m either q_q
 
@hippa My teacher just mistook.
 
Well actually you can say it's 98.48, allright, depends on the way of measuring it
Anyhow I gtg ;_; I gotta have memorized 600 words by next week
 
@Ramanewbie did your teacher give you full marks for answering the question?
 
@hippa The way you mesure it is you take the ground distance between the starting line and the nearest point of the javelin from this line, or the point where it's set in the ground.
@Rigor What do you mean "full marks" ?
 
8:13 PM
100%
 
@Rigor Oh, but it wasn't marked...
It was just a training exercise.
@hippa I managed to do something very strange today. I burnt myself with... a flash drive.
 
Your teacher needs training in learning how to ask better questions
 
@Rigor Indeed, there were several mistakes is this single exercise...
 
@Hippalectryon ;_;
 
@Balarka: OK, that's fine. I would have phrased it like this: there is an orientation on $M$ pulled back by the orientation on $M/G$. The induced maps of $\pi g$ and $\pi$ on $H_n(M,M-x)$ are the same because they're locally around the exact same map. So we see $g$ sends the pullback orientation at $H_n(M,M-x)$ to the pullback orientation at $H_n(M,M-gx)$.
 
8:20 PM
Goodnight, @Mike. It's f-info mid 90s in Big Sur :(
 
Last line is phrased poorly but I think you can interpret.
Hi @Ted. Sorry about that.
Get in touch with Alex?
 
I see @Ramanewb takes after @Hippa in burning things.
 
@ted Hi
What do you mean ??
 
no, @Mike, that's his job! :) I can wait until tomorrow. Barely have wifi here, although I had 4G high on my hike.
 
Told him to facebook you.
 
8:23 PM
dudn't you just say you burnt yourself, Ramanewb?
That much he did, Mike, but no
message.
 
Hi Professor @TedShifrin
 
hi skull
 
Interesting.
 
LOL
 
hi @Ted, @Mike
 
8:27 PM
Mike, do you know who Paul Sinclair is? He seems to answer a lot of geometry, but I'm concerned he doesn't know what local means.
 
@MikeMiller right.
 
hi Balarka: I emailed you twice.
 
I have seen it, just haven't thought up anything interesting to send the thanks with.
I usually feel queasy sending blank mails with just a thanks.
 
LOL. I should have put your question (posit continuity)as one of the parts of that problem.
 
But, the point is, thanks for the time! I'd definitely want to learn differential geometry, but that's still far future.
Yeah, havern't thought about my problem much. I'll get back to you with a solution by tomorrow.
 
8:31 PM
@Ted: Profile link?
 
@ted ^
 
Think about this; How can you have a continuous function with all dir der 0 at 0 but not der 0 along a curve?
 
@TedShifrin: You still going to be at UCLA on Friday?
 
I still think there isn't any such function, though.
OK, right, there cannot be such a function. The Jacobian is all partials, which are all zero.
 
Too much trouble on my phone, Mike. It was an intuitive discussion of diff forms, and he seems to miss a big point about integrability, thinking I'm being overly pedantic, when he's just being wrong.
 
8:34 PM
@Balarka: Who said it was differentiable?
 
yes, @robjohn, although I am not sure of details. Mike is scheduling my day :)
 
Right, right. Grm.
I'm just proving that if it's diffable, then the derivative is 0.
 
the point is that it is not diff, despite being cont with all 0 direc derives.
 
It seems so unintuitive that such a thing exists, @Ted
 
@TedShifrin Ah. If we can set something fairly certain, I will plan a trip out there. I will be there tomorrow, but I don't want to make a trip out there on Friday if we are not actually going to have a chance to meet.
 
8:36 PM
that's because thongs are very subtle in multi at, Balarka.
 
thongs are indeed subtle
 
I give up
 
no comments
 
On autocomplete. Ugh.
 
@Ted: I saw the thing you're referring to. I didn't read it carefully but what a crummy tone. He posted an incorrect comment on another question I saw. This is my only interaction with him
 
8:38 PM
he seems to think I'm unqualified, Mike.
@robjohn: I hate to
put you to trouble but we could certainly set up a time post lunch ... I dunno if I will try to drive and find parking.
but another visit will happen this fall, I'm sure, robjohn.
 
I never got anything out of that hyperplane visual anyway.
 
@TedShifrin ok, I'll definitely think about this and get back to you tomorrow.
seems like I need to have mathematica on my computer too :(
gp cannot plot things
if you don't count the crude plot with *'s and |'s, that is
 
Misner Thorne Wheeler in their relativity text were proponents of the egg carton visual for diff forms ... Look at it sometime.
 
What a horrible situation: the game of Simona Halep is postponed because of the rain, and this night I need to wake up at 04:45. I really wanted to watch the game...
 
i saw she won the first set. They're in three now? I'm missing the U.S. Open for traveling :(
 
8:44 PM
I can wait for an hour about not longer ...
@TedShifrin And she lost the second set.
 
They're precisely the things you can integrate. I'm satisfied with that :)
 
huh, people seem to like my degree answer. i got 4 upvotes, and got accepted.
 
they're more than that, Mike, since you can also differentiate.
 
I mean n-forms... everything else comes from wanting to do it on submanifolds, and you can take boundaries. But I agree.
 
good evening everybody
 
8:48 PM
@Balarka: The fact that noncompact manifolds have $H_n(M) = 0$ is not really that hard, at least for smooth (PL probably too?) manifolds. It's classical, and combinatorial, that such a thing deformation retracts onto an $(n-1)$-dimensional subcomplex, sometimes called a core.
 
Hmm, can you elaborate on the easy solution? I want to learn about it.
 
Nah.
 
Oh, I think you can come up with something by triangulating the top simplex, and doing simplicial cohomology.
 
I don't know what that's supposed to mean.
 
I'm implicitly assuming that any $n$-manifold is triangulable, which is not true, however.
 
8:51 PM
Hi @Alessandro
 
I restricted to smooth.
 
Hi @Ted! Can I ask you a (simple) question?
 
Thinking more on the details it might be more subtle than I'm remembering... the statement is true but I temporarily retract claims of easiness
 
OK. I don't know how to do it otherwise, really.
 
I can't do much on my phone, Alessandro, but sure.
 
8:55 PM
What is "it"?
 
ask Bill C :)
 
Proving that top homology of noncpct manifolds is trivial
 
@TedShifrin I'll bug Mike to tell me when you might be available.
 
LOL
 
In the first of your multivarible calculus lectures on youtube you say that the tangent is the best linear approximation of a function at a point, what exactly does "best" mean here? I mean what's the criteria that lets you compare 2 different approximation and decide which is better? @Ted
 
8:57 PM
THE SIZE
 
@Alessandro The distance
 
@Balarka: If you believe my subcomplex claim that's another way. Like I said this is why I think of it as true.
 
of the error ... I actually went through that when we started differentiability.
i hate autocomplete
 
Ah, I haven't seen that part or video then, I'll go find it
 
the first lecture I just wanted to motivate why we combine linear alg and calculus.
 
9:01 PM
I believe you should have introduced the little $o$-notation when you were talking about the relative error, i.e., that the error tends to $0$ faster than all the other errors, etc.
Best way to confuse students. -_-
Hmm, @MikeMiller, now that I think about it, your deformation retract claim makes sense.
It works for all the examples I can think of off the top of my head
 
Balarka, now that I've retired, you can take over teaching for me :)
 
I don't know a thing about anything.
 
Then you'll have to
learn so you can teach.
 
you are right. give me a few years.
on second though, I have quite enough years. I only hope that I am not misusing them, like the rich guys out there.
 
9:19 PM
LOL
 
9:31 PM
@MikeMiller Have you saw the McKellen-Rees play on Waiting for Godot? I just saw the trailer, it seemed good.
OK, I have to go and have some sleep. G'night.
 
10:04 PM
@BalarkaSen: Unfortunately I cannot attend every performance of Waiting for Godot.
 
Does anyone actually enjoy that play?
 
Yes.
 
10:45 PM
@PVAL: There is only one PL/smooth embedding $B^k \to M$ up to isotopy when $M$ is connscted. Do you know if this is true for continuous embeddings and continuous isotopy with no local flatness assumptions?
 
11:00 PM
@MikeMiller Nah that's not true. The Alexander Horned sphere bounds a 3 ball in S^3 and there's no way to isotope that to a standard 3-ball since the complement isn't even a manifold with boundary (or is not simply-connected or whatever you want to use). There are analogues to this in higher dimensions and codimensions as well, i.e. the cone on a non-trivial knot cannot be isotopic to a slice disk for that knot.
 
Why should continuous isotopy preserve complements? I don't mean ambient isotopy.
Eg all tame knots are equivalent under continuous (but not necessarily locally flat) isotopy.
 
11:12 PM
@MikeMiller I do not know the answer if you don't want to consider ambient isotopies. It should be sufficient for the ball to be locally flat at a point on the boundary (just by isotoping the other parts of the embedding into smaller and smaller balls), and I do not know of any topological embedding which isn't locally flat at some point.
 
@PVAL: There are wild knots that don't have a tams arc so we can take the cone on one of those. Actually this is precisely why I care: it would be nice to know that any wild knot is still trivial in $S^4$.
(In the sense of being continuously isotopic to the unknot.)
 
Greetings folks. It's been a long time since I was last here. It's also been a long time since I've thought about proofs, so I could use a little kick start if somebody could spare a moment to help...

I want to prove that, given the sets $A=\{n\in\mathbb{Z}\mid 30 \text{ divides } n\}$ and $B=\{n\in\mathbb{Z}\mid 10 \text{ divides } n \wedge 6 \text{ divides } n\}$, that $A=B$. I have one direction already (proving that $x\in A\Rightarrow x\in B$.. but I'm not sure how to start the other direction.
For the first part, I just assumed that $x\in A\Rightarrow x=30a,\ a\in \mathbb{Z}$ and went from there...
 
11:31 PM
@MikeMiller Ya I don't know. I think Edwards is probably the most likely person in the world to be able to answer.
 
That's true. I haven't seen him in a while though, he hasn't really come in since last winter. Maybe I will email him.
 
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