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You'll end up ignored again, @Balarka.
Uh, is the above comment unfriendly?
It might be so construed ... by Mike's family, at least.
@Ted: Rhey're napping. When they're not, they're talking about a certain proposed wall.
I hope it's a wall to keep out all the hot air that's causing global warming.
00:02
Mm... not that one.
I guess this is why so many of my friends and I decided years ago that holidays with friends are better than holidays with (many) families.
The Wall is no doubt throwing another brick at many familial relationships this year.
Are you the only sane one?
I thought that was a good one. No, but my aunt has long since given up on discussions with the rest of the family, and I'm at least wise enough to keep my mouth shut and read some Joyce or another.
back (mostly leftovers)
another way to reformulate the problem is using fermat's principle in optics
00:10
But we're still trying to understand why trips are faster with a current than without, not the optimal trip, @Semiclassic.
Even leftovers take time to eat!
hmm
well, when those leftovers amount to ham, mashed potatoes, and brocolli
doesn't take a lot of time :/
ah ...
would the following statement of the problem be correct? (I think i was misreading it initially)
suppose i make a trip from one bank of a river to another, and then back. No matter what route I take, it'll be faster with a river current than without.
@MikeMiller Is it true that if you take a tubular neighborhood of $\Bbb{CP}^1 \subset \Bbb{CP}^2$, then the boundary of that is an $S^3$? 'Cause it's a circle bundle on $S^2$... it seems to be the case visually, I think, but it's not clear. I don't think I know enough to prove it.
Right, almost. I intended a trip down-river and then back up-river, or else the algebra I exercise doesn't apply. For the closed curve case, it could be any closed curve whatsoever.
00:15
@Balarka: What's the associated circle bundle?
You need to know the normal bundle of $\Bbb P^1$ in $\Bbb P^2$.
Oh, you don't know. Oh well.
Of course, one can write this down quite explicitly.
Not that certain people like to do explicit equations/calculations :)
"any closed curve whatsoever" I think there's some kind of assumption implicit, if only to rule out the trivial case of the curve just being a point
Good point.
I guess the limit of positive can be zero :)
00:19
heh
@TedShifrin Eh, it's not clear to me how to write this down explicitly.
@Ted: His homework was to find an embedded surface representing $n\alpha \in H_2(\Bbb{CP}^2;\Bbb Z)$ of as small a genus as he can pull off.
What's $\alpha$, @MikeM?
Generator, $\Bbb{CP}^1$.
You and I did stuff like this, @Balarka, ages ago. Take the hyperplane to be $z_0=0$ in $\Bbb P^2$. What does the boundary of a neighborhood look like?
Ah, I thought as much, @MikeM.
00:21
My embedded surfaces are of huge genus.
@MikeM: I couldn't answer that without knowing Riemann surfaces.
@Ted: It has a very geometric way of writing it down. I can send it to you elsewhere of you like.
but in terms of line integrals, it should be $\int_\gamma ds/v_0$ without the current, and then i just need to write it down with the current
(Geometric but no real algebra.)
Of course, @Semiclassic
00:23
v_0 being the constant speed. probably easier simpler to just assume v_0=1 but w/e
Well, you need two constants, @Semiclassic, but you can do with them what you wish :) The inequality $v_o>c$ should show up essentially in the proof.
@TedShifrin If $n = 2$, you can look at two transverse copies of $\Bbb P^1$ in $\Bbb P^2$, and homotope their union by perturbing them at the intersection point to change $z_1 z_2 = 0$ to $z_1 z_2 = 1$. This is an embedded sphere representing $2\alpha$. Topologically, this is the same as picking two $D^2$'s with boundary being fibers in the Hopf bundle (hence, linked as a Hopf link), and perturbing a bit to make it a Seifert surface. Then capping off the link components gives an embedded sphere.
@Balarka: I should say — if you choose a particularly convenient neighborhood, using coordinates, what does its boundary look like?
Similar logic works for higher $n$, but I have no idea if it's of minimal genus. Probably not.
00:24
That's very different from what I'm suggesting you do, @Balarka. I want to use a metric in an obvious way.
Can you repeat the question? (the CP one) Not that I can necessarily answer it, but I'd like to hear it properly
I was replying to this message :)
@Balarka: That's not what I meant, though. :) There's a formula relating genus and degree of algebraic curves in $\Bbb P^2$.
is that the Riemann-Roch theorem, or something derived from it? i used to know some of those phrases
@TedShifrin I haven't thought a lot (hence, not comfortable) about the algebro-geometric interpretation of projective space, but let me try to answer that. Do you want me to get a neighborhood of the corresponding hyperplane in $\Bbb C^3$ by using the metric?
00:28
though usually i just deduced it by relating the degree to the number of branch cuts and there to the genus
it's really understanding line bundles on $\Bbb P^1$; in particular, the normal bundle of various embeddings in $\Bbb P^2$, @Semiclassic.
Sure, @Balarka.
hmm
i feel like i should know about that :P
but i should probably spend a bit not being lazy about this line integral :P
You did ask me for a problem, @Semiclassic. You're under no obligation :)
heh, true
(If you were wondering where the random Facebook friend request came from, it's me @TedShifrin!)
00:33
LOL, thanks, @Khallil. I tend to ignore such things for a while and deal with them in a group later.
No problem! I was already friends with Kaj and Ramya and noticed you on there. :-)
These days I try to make it more of a policy (not 100%, but close) to only have friends whom I actually know. Some people came in earlier (e.g., Ramya). Obviously, Kaj and I know each other quite well.
It's a good policy to have. I won't be offended if you don't accept!
Cool :)
@TedShifrin Well, such a nbhd will be the stuff between $z = \pm \delta$ for some $\delta > 0$.
Sorry, internet is a bit twingy here.
00:39
At the very least, you can put a face to my name now, @TedShifrin. :-)
Thanks, @Khallil.
Um, close, but no cigar yet, @Balarka.
What does $|z|=-\delta$ mean, for goodness sake?
Oops! Sorry about that.
Now you made it worse, @Balarka.
You've ordered the complex numbers.
I mean, we have the hyperplane $z = 0$. A nbhd will be the stuff between the two hyperplanes $z = \delta$ and $z = -\delta$.
I'm not sure that even makes sense.
00:42
Probably not. Ok, how about union over all balls centered at pts in $z = 0$?
You are thinking about $\Bbb R^2$ and $\Bbb R^3$ and it doesn't generalize.
Balls of radius $\epsilon$, say.
How about saying the tubular neighborhood is $|z_0|<\epsilon$?
Sorry, I don't understand that. $z_0 = 0$ is a copy of $\Bbb C$ in $\Bbb C^3$.
OK, you got me. I was working with $|z|=1$ to start with.
00:45
Whew.
So think about the neighborhood in $S^5\subset\Bbb C^3$.
Anyhow, you can ponder if you wish. I'm out of here for now.
Right. Thanks!
Have a nice day.
See ya, @TedShifrin!
Does anybody know of a book in which 'simply connected domains' are defined rigorously?
@Khallil Are you studying them in the context of complex analysis?
Yep! I'm looking at harmonic functions on the web and it's been mentioned but not rigorously defined, @BalarkaSen.
01:01
A subset $A \subset \Bbb C$ is called simply connected if given any map $f : [0, 1] \to A$ such that $f(0) = f(1) = x$ there is a continuous sequence of maps $f_t : [0, 1] \to A$ for $t \in [0, 1]$ with $f_1 = f$ and $f_0$ the constant map sending everything to $x$, such that $f_t(0) = f_t(1) = x$ for each $t \in [0, 1]$.
And the sequence $\{f_t\}$ is continuous in the sense that the map $H: [0, 1] \times [0, 1] \to A$ given by $H(s, t) = f_t(s)$ is continuous.
May I ask where you got that definition from, @BalarkaSen?
So, "every loop in $A$ can be continuously deformed to a point".
@Khallil By that you mean what's the motivation behind that definition? See above :)
A map $f : [0, 1] \to A$ s.t. $f(0) = f(1) = x$ is called a loop based at $x$ (for obvious reasons - look at the image of $f$).
$\{f_t\}$ is a continuous sequence of loops tending to the constant loop at $x$.
$\{f_t\}$ is called a "homotopy" between $f$ and the constant loop, or in short, a nullhomotopy.
I understand. What does homotopy mean in the loose sense in which you're using it, @BalarkaSen?
(Thank you for the definition by the way!)
I am not sure if I parse that question. A homotopy is a sequence of loops tending to the constant loop. So, like, you're continuously "tightening" the loop at $x$ (fixing $x$!), and $f_t$ is the trace of that continuous deformation at time $t$ (i.e., that's the image you get when you stop at time $t$).
The above image might help. However, be warned, we're not doing this with subsets of $\Bbb C$ anymore.
01:18
This is cool stuff. So if it wasn't simply connected, we'd have our continuously deforming loop falling in an area that's a "hole" of the domain or where the domain isn't defined, @BalarkaSen?
Yep.
So, e.g, an annulus region in $\Bbb C$ is not simply connected.
That is to say, $\{z \in \Bbb C: 1 \leq |z| \leq 2\}$.
In summary, simply connected regions in $\Bbb C$ are the ones where every loop can be continuously shrunked to a point.
That said, I'm off to sleep.
Thanks, @BalarkaSen!
no problem
 
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03:52
I want to sketch the surface $x^2+y^2+z^4=1$, but how could I do that?
What kind of surface is it?
Which is its shape?
04:16
@TedShifrin since the vector field of the water flowing in the river is always parallel to the curve of the river itself, the dot product between the river flow vector and the tangent vector will always be positive assuming some flow exists.
Therefore the line integral around a closed curve with a boat in the river will always be positive, i.e. work is done. Therefore, the initial velocity should be greater than the starting velocity since F = ma and therefore, it has a positive acceleration meaning v is increasing around the curve.
Lol pretty sure that logic didn't make sense
04:36
Hi, I am trying to fit an Edgeworth expansion to some non identically distributed random variables (different mean, same variance). Typically Edgeworth expansion is derived assuming i.i.id. variables. Is there a general definition?
 
4 hours later…
08:51
Hi
09:46
Is there a program where I can see the shape of the surface $x^2+y^2+z^4=1$ ?
When I write this equation in Wolfram, I don't get the picture of the surface...
@MaryStar this program is pretty useful: dpgraph.com
10:12
Ok... Thanks a lot!! :-) @JonBeardsley
10:40
@MaryStar In Mathematica ContourPlot3D[x^2 + y^2 + z^4 == 1, {x, -1, 1}, {y, -1, 1}, {z, -1, 1}] gives
11:11
Ok... Thank you very much! :-) @robjohn
11:56
We consider a sphere. Does the unit normal of the sphere and the radius vector have always the same direction? Or can it also be that they have opposite directions?
@robjohn do you have an idea?
12:38
Hi @iwriteonbananas
Huy
Huy
lol, the wiki site on the Splitting lemma has a section "other proof" which is just a link to an answer on MSE
yep, I have noticed that before.
Huy
Huy
@BalarkaSen: BTW, I asked you about topological group $\implies$ $\pi_1(G)$ abelian the other day. you probably already know this but if $G$ has a universal cover, it becomes very easy to prove the statement.
@MaryStar it depends on if you want the inward normal or outward normal.
@Huy It's not completely clear to me how you would use $\tilde{G}$ to prove that the thing's abelian. As I mentioned previously, the proof I am familiar with uses Eckmann-Hilton argument.
Can you elaborate?
Huy
Huy
12:53
oh, sure, I wasn't sure if you knew the argument yet so I mentioned it just in case you didn't!
let $G$ be a connected topological group. you can prove very quickly that if $N \unlhd G$ is a discrete, normal subgroup, then it is contained in the center of $G$.
now just take $p^{-1}(\{e\}) \cong \pi_1(G)$
@BalarkaSen Hey Balarka
Gah, this problem about double tangent bundle is driving me mad
@Huy Ok, I see. But to do that you need to prove a buckload of things, i.e., prove $\tilde{G}$ is a group, the universal covering map $p$ is actually a morphism of groups, etc. :)
So I am not sure if I prefer this argument over Eckmann-Hilton (which is like 1 line).
Thanks though, I wasn't familiar with this argument.
Huy
Huy
yes, you do need other things but it is more accessible for me :P
@Huy Really? If $G$ is a topological group, you have a binary operation $G \times G \to G$ and the inversion map $i : G \to G$. When applied $\pi_1$, you get corresponding binary op $\otimes : \pi_1(G) \times \pi_1(G) \cong \pi_1(G \times G) \to \pi_1(G)$ and inversion $i_* : \pi_1(G) \to \pi_1(G)$. So now you have two group structures on $\pi_1(G)$ - one, $*$ (loop mult) and another $\otimes$.
You can show that these two commutes with each other and conclude that they are the same from there (Eckman-Hilton, this is explicitly done in an exercise of Munkres' Topology).
Huy
Huy
@BalarkaSen: maybe not, when I looked up Eckman-Hilton, I wasn't able to make much out of it
13:03
Yikes, you looked up Eckmann-Hilton argument in arbitrary monoids. Yikes yikes yikes.
Do you have Munkres' topology?
Huy
Huy
no, I didn't buy it.
but I will at some point
we did go through parts of it in topology though
(pretty sure we never proved this, because I've never heard of Eckman Hilton before)
This is clearly explained in one of it's exercises.
Huy
Huy
ok, I'll remember it when I get my hands on the book next time
See, the deal is, you have one group structure on $\pi_1(G)$ (the usual). But you also have the following group structure $\otimes : \pi_1(G) \times \pi_1(G) \to \pi_1(G)$ defined as $[f] \otimes [g] = [f \cdot g]$ where $f \cdot g : [0, 1] \to G$ is defined as $s \mapsto f(s) \cdot g(s)$ (multiply each pt in the two curves which you can do as $G$ is a group).
Huy
Huy
ok
is it obvious that this is well-defined? seems to me like there could be something going wrong if I multiply with some different representative (of the identity, for example)
(I feel like it can't go wrong due to continuity of multiplication but I'm not sure how to put it into a rigorous argument)
13:12
Well, pick $f \sim f'$ and $g \sim g'$. Can you write down a htpy between $f \cdot g$ and $f' \cdot g'$?
Note that you already have a homotopy $F$ between $f$ and $f'$ and $G$ between $g$ and $g'$.
So the homotopy would be ...
Huy
Huy
oh, so you can just multiply $F$ and $G$
Yes :)
Huy
Huy
ok, one time where just using the definition is a lot simpler than trying to have a geometric picture
(bad notation up there, I have already used $G$ to denote the group, but oh well)
@Huy If you want to see the proof finished using this argument, I can write it down.
Huy
Huy
@BalarkaSen: no, it's okay, I believe you and I'll do it or read it when I encounter it in Munkres.
thanks anyways.
13:20
ok. All you have to do from this point onwards is to prove $*$ and $\otimes$ are the same operations on $\pi_1(G)$.
(this argument actually more generally shows that H-spaces have abelian fundamental group)
@iwriteonbananas Merry Christmas!
@Huy: What are you studying right now?
Huy
Huy
@BalarkaSen: back to some stuff about Lie groups/algebras
Huy
Huy
proving that $\mathfrak{sl}_n(\mathbb{R})$ is simple.
I thought Christmas was dedicated to geometric topology.
Huy
Huy
I'm more in the mood for this, so you won't insist on Heegard decomposition questions as much :P
13:28
:P
Good luck with your groups of lies.
Huy
Huy
that must have been one of your worst puns I've read all year
yes, it was a Ted-type pun.
Huy
Huy
fortunately, maths is usually so "dry" that people will find the worst puns funny.
math is dry? says whom?
Huy
Huy
idk, some heathens
13:34
maybe only lie groups are dry ;P
Huy
Huy
the cake is a Lie, but usually not dry
(i am only saying that 'cause i'm jelly)
Huy
Huy
why are you jelly
i don't know lie theory :)
Huy
Huy
then you should be envious, not jealous
13:36
i thought they were synonymous.
Huy
Huy
many people think that
@Huy You are an awful little man.
Huy
Huy
:(
just trying to beat Balarka's worst pun of the year
@Huy so does google.
Huy
Huy
@BalarkaSen: jealousy vs. envy
13:39
@BalarkaSen You too! (Do they even celebrate that where you're from?)
i am not reading books on the meaning of envy, thanks.
@Balarka: Can one prove that $\pi_1(G)$ acts trivially on $\pi_n(G)$ with E-H? If not, universal covers are desirable.
@iwriteonbananas Well, not so much.
Huy
Huy
@BalarkaSen: "In its original meaning, jealousy is distinct from envy, though the two terms have popularly become synonymous in the English language, with jealousy now also taking on the definition originally used for envy alone."
@MikeMiller Ok, but I was just saying that E-H proves a much more general statement about H-spaces quite elementarily. I don't see how that statement about $\pi_n$ is relevant.
13:42
It's a slightly more general fact about H-spaces that I only know how to prove with univeral covers.
After all, the axtion of $\pi_1$ on $\pi_1$ is conjugation, so you've proved my $n=1$.
Ah.
Ok, you win.
Huy
Huy
what does he win?
the privilege to ignore me for the day, maybe. i'd bet he'd love that.
Huy
Huy
what do I have to do to win the same?
A new car!
Oh, no, a new car would be vastly preferable.
Huy
Huy
13:46
I want to buy a new car soon. Which one are you rooting for, @Mike?
I dunno. What are your choices?
Huy
Huy
got the VW Up in mind atm.
I'm rooting for that one.
I... don't like cars. Mostly because I have motion sickness.
Huy
Huy
great choice.
@BalarkaSen: then stop moving whilst sitting in a car
13:49
right. :P
@Balarka: But if you win a car you can sell it.
hello all
hah, that's a pretty good idea.
if I have cos inverse (cos x /sin x ) can I write that as cos inverse (cos x) / cos inverse (sinx) ?
I am guessing NO but would like a clarification
Huy
Huy
NO
13:52
ok thanks
Huy
Huy
try plugging in a number, for example $x = 0$ and see if they are the same
(hint: they're not)
"Here are five definitions that the author found in the literature, which are all inequivalent."
Should you see this @TedShifrin, could you let me know which program you used to create the awesome diagrams from your Differential Geometry notes? Thanks in advance! :-)
14:26
Let $\gamma$ be a unit-speed curve of the sphere of center $\alpha$ and radius $r$, then the unit normal of the sphere is $\textbf{N}=\pm \frac{\gamma-\alpha}{\|\gamma-\alpha\|}$, right? @robjohn
14:48
@DanielFischer are you involved in project euler?
@DanielFischer did you write this ? projecteuler.net/overview=009
@dREaM Not anymore. If it wasn't changed since, I did.
problems 17 and 19 suck
@dREaM I forgot. What were they?
counting sundays and counting the letters used to write numbers from 1 to 1000
Ah, yes, kind of boring.
15:02
and easy to make mistakes
I don't see how I can use the computer
for counting sundays I do
but for the one about letters I don't see how the computer makes it easier
@MaryStar it doesn't matter the speed of the curve, $\frac{\gamma-\alpha}{\|\gamma-\alpha\|}$ is the outward unit normal, and $-\frac{\gamma-\alpha}{\|\gamma-\alpha\|}$ is the inward unit normal.
Ok... so the general formula of the unit normal is the one I wrote above, right? @robjohn
@MaryStar $\frac{1\pm1}2$
@MaryStar That depends on what you want. If what you want matches what I said, then yes.
what does "general formula for the normal" mean? General formula for the normals of a sphere, yes. General formula for a surface, no.
when you say the normal, you are claiming there is one, so I don't see how $\pm$ fits in.
15:20
@robjohn Yes, I mean the general formula for the normals of a sphere.
So I had to say:

The unit normals of the sphere (inward and outward normal) have the same direction with the radius vector, so we have $\textbf{N}=\pm \frac{\gamma-\alpha}{\|\gamma-\alpha\|}$.

Is this correct?
@MaryStar one has the same direction, one has the opposite direction.
They are both parallel to the radius vector.
@robjohn Oh yes, that is what I meant...
Thanks a lot!! :-) @robjohn
16:04
Hi!
Can anybody tell me the differences between →, ⊢, ⇒ and ⊃?
in logic
 
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17:24
@Clarinetist hi
Is it common to use $\land$ as the cross product operator?
(I've been seeing it very frequently as of late.)
Heya @Khallil. Personally, I use \times. With regard to your earlier question, did you have any particular diagram(s) in mind?
Hi @TedShifrin.
hi @Semiclassic, @Balarka
17:32
I wonder if anyone could kindly help me with a confusion. Consider an $n$ by $n$ binary matrix and a random vector $v$ whose elements are randomly chosen from $\{0,1\}$. We know that the entropy of MV, that is $H(Mv)$ is $n$ as long as $M$ is non-singular.
i tend to associate $\land$ with wedge products
and not much else
but it seems to me that for large $n$, $Mv$ should converge to a multivariate Gaussian
Hi @TedShifrin! Mainly diagrams like the one on the left and drawing general regions as below (on the left):
17:33
which wouldn't have this entropy.. so what is going on?
Ah, @Khallil ... Adobe Illustrator (and also Mathematica for all the beautiful curves and surfaces)
$\land$ also means smash product, but that's irrelevant here.
For the latter, @Khallil, I did the curve and sphere in Mathematica and combined them (and put in the axes) in Illustrator.
Smash product, @BalarkaSen? That sounds heavy!
@Lembik: You need @Clarinetist.
@Khallil: It is crushing.
17:34
@TedShifrin yes! Although I was hoping that some other genius here might know too
@Khallil Don't worry, it's hardly related to boxing.
@Khallil: Hulk's favorite product of spaces, I guess.
Oh that's awesome, @TedShifrin. Thanks!
(Reason I'm asking is because I wanna write an exposition on harmonic functions/spherical functions and their orthogonal representations so will probably need to include diagrams!)
But I do wonder where "smash product" came from.
Unfortunately, @Khallil, Illustrator is not cheap, but it is very powerful.
17:35
I can probably find a nice alternative!
I recall from my alg top class centuries ago that $\wedge$ and $\vee$ are somehow adjoint, @Balarka.
I knew $\Omega$ and $\Sigma$ are adjoint, but not that fact.
I see the mad starrer is stalking.
Sure, @Balarka, but there's some categorical relation between those operations.
It was me! I laughed too hard at the starred replies so I felt obliged, @TedShifrin :-)
hi guys
17:37
heya Karim ... How's Vegas?
Hi @AndrewT
Hi @TedShifrin and other people.
tips fedora
@TedShifrin Right, but I am not sure what the adjoincy relation is between smash and wedge.
@Ted: I am not sure that's true. What is true is that smash is analogous to tensor product.
it is ok for the most part like the only things you can do here is watch shows, drink or gamble, or partying. I don't like drinking,gambling or partying and shows are expensive
@TedShifrin
17:39
Instead of being linear in each input, it's basepoint preserving in each input.
So why did you pick Vegas, Karim?
I can't remember what I was told, @MikeM.
I thought there was something going on with mappings in or out.
@MikeMiller Ah, so $[X \wedge Y, Z]$ is in bijection with $[X, [Y, Z]]$?
$[\cdots]$ means basept preserving homotopy classes, btw.
I wanted to go to California, but we saw that their is no direct flight to california and we got a very nice price for our hotel in Las Vegas.
so, that is why we came here.
But we will go to california tomorrow
Oh, no direct flight to CA? That sounds unbelievable.
Ah, wait. Hom(X smash Y, Z) = Hom(Y, Hom(X,Z)) as spaces, where these are basepoint preserving maps.
17:41
from regina to CA
You could go see the Grand Canyon, Karim ... Probably a bus tour or something.
Cool, @MikeMiller.
Probably what you were thinking of.
This contains ofc the suspension loop space adjunction.
oh that would be awesome I wanted to visit Grand Canyon
And does $\vee$ show up in something analogous, @MikeM @Balarka?
17:42
I didn't know their is bus tour to it
indeed.
It's not too far from Vegas, Karim. Check it out.
(just smash with $S^1$)
No, not really. It's just the coproduct, as far as I know.
alright
what is smash sounds intense
17:43
@L33ter Make sure you don't fall into the grand canyon. Although if you do, do let me know how deep it is.
@Ted: What is K_X of a variety? I know how to get an O_X module T^*X. I'm not sure how to get "Lambda^n T^{(1,0)}* X".
@Clarinetist Could you please rescue me from my confusion at math.stackexchange.com/questions/1590790/… ! And happy christmas/new year :)
Hm, I'm not familiar with the history of these things, but I'm wondering: did one introduce smash to imitate the tensor product or was it "Ok, guys, we really need something so that $S^n * S^m = S^{n+m}$"
I will send you a message from the grave then @BalarkaSen haha
@AndrewThompson That's join, not smash.
And smash has serious applications in homotopy theory.
17:44
@BalarkaSen The notation is ruined on purpose, $*$ was meant to be 'a binary operation.'
@MikeM: You need to work through all the stuff on complexification of tangent bundles of complex manifolds. When you're thinking of the ${\scr O}_X$ module, that is the holomorphic tangent bundle, which is what $T^{(1,0)}X$ is when you decompose $T^*X\otimes\Bbb C$.
@BalarkaSen give me a quick explanation of what is smash
@Balarka: The join does not have the property that S^n * S^m = S^{n+m}.
I was wondering about the motivation behind its introduction.
@Ted: Ok, cool... so how do I take ezterior powers?
17:46
@MikeMiller Yes, I thought it was n + m + 1. Sorry.
@AndrewT: The adjunction above.
Which is the same as the tensor product adjunction.
How do you take exterior powers of any vector space/bundle? I'm confuzled.
@MikeMiller Cool. I like this pattern in math of imitating stuff.
@Ted: I can still do this with O_X-mods? Normally I say "Do it on cocycles!"
It's a completely algebraic construction; I'm still not sure what's bothering you.
Work in local trivializations and take wedge products of basis elements.
17:48
@Ted: oh; I see your point. Got it.
I do not know the motivation, but you can use smash product to give $[X, K(G, n)]$ a ring structure. That is, a map $[X, K(G, n)] \times [X, K(G, m)] \to [X, K(G, n+m)]$. (of course, $[X, K(G, n)]$ also has a group structure as $K(G, n)$ is an H-space, so that ring structure is actually the cup product in cohomology).
What was bothering me is I'm still thinking of vector bundles.
Fine — do think of vector bundles :)
And then there are spectral stuff. Spectre-l stuff.
@Balarka: High school or chapter 6.
17:49
@Ted: But I think of vector bundles in a non-algebrwic way: cocycles. I don't think I can do that for things other than line bundles on varieties, can I?
Oh... yes I can
I'm still locally trivial...
brb
Ohhhh, that's what you meant by cocycles. Sure, you can do exterior algebra the same way. You take $\wedge^k \phi_{\alpha\beta}$.
Right. I'm happy now.
@TedShifrin I just finished some schoolwork, eating right now. Maybe I will have a look at ch 6 after dinner :)
OK, back later.
17:58
See ya, @Ted.
Of course, Balarka's given up on my problem. :)
@MikeMiller I haven't. I need time.
I am usually slow with these things.
18:59
Hi, I'm trying to understand Knuth's Up Arrow Notation
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