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6:00 PM
Yeah. That. :)
 
@r9m Have you seen this?
$\sin{\sin{\sin{\sin{x}}}}\le\dfrac{4}{5}\cos{\cos{\cos{\cos{x}}}}?$
 
r9m
@Sawarnik ugh .. no :P
 
@r9m Great ... try that! :P :P
 
r9m
6:10 PM
@Sawarnik okay :-)
 
Tomorrow is Black Monday for me :(
 
same here
 
$$\huge{:(}$$
 
I have a test of Physics and Chemistry :(
 
@VibhavPant Oh!
Which class are you in?
 
6:12 PM
12th
 
Aww.
And city btw?
 
dehradun
Pretty much sucks if you are into olympiads and stuff
 
@VibhavPant Its the story of everywhere :(
 
heh
Im sure its not as bad as in Dehradun
there arent any resources
 
Why, books and internet?
 
6:14 PM
Everyones preparing for engineering entrances
 
@VibhavPant Its the story of everywhere.
 
@Sawarnik Well, I had nobody to discuss stuff with until I discovered MSE last year
 
But aren't you concerned about entrances?
 
@r9m Nice find!
:P
 
r9m
6:16 PM
@Sawarnik wait .. I'll give it a try :P
 
@Sawarnik well
 
@r9m I once tried the weaker version but got stuck (in the final step) due to an ineq :(
 
@Sawarnik not really
 
r9m
@Sawarnik weaker version ?
 
I have been preparing for CMI and friends
 
6:17 PM
@r9m this courage...is astonishing!
@r9m yes without the 4/5
@VibhavPant Oh nice.
I thought you were into IITs.
 
r9m
@Sawarnik ah okay :-)
 
nah
 
@VibhavPant Meet r9m there when you compete :)
 
The entrance would be at ISI Delhi IIRC
So I wouldnt be at Chennai :P
 
@r9m This is that dreaded ineq .. math.stackexchange.com/questions/681850/… .. can you do it!
 
r9m
6:20 PM
@Sawarnik I'll give that a try too :P
 
yay! yay! yay!
@VibhavPant ah ... when you get into cmi, you ll be in chennai right?
 
@Sawarnik hopefully, yes
Im somewhat confused between ISI and CMI
 
@VibhavPant then i think @r9m may be there to rag you!
@VibhavPant Oh.
 
given that ISI has some really good analysis courses
and CMI's focus on Theoretical CS (both of which happen to be my interests)
 
@VibhavPant Are you trying for some foreign institute as well?
 
6:23 PM
@Sawarnik haha :D
@Sawarnik nope
 
r9m
@Sawarnik wth ?! .. there is no ragging in cmi
 
@robjohn This is a question we discussed in the past. At point $(9)$ one can finish it by Stolz theorem.
 
@r9m uh oh ... when is your course finishing?
 
r9m
@Sawarnik 1 year
 
So you won't be there next year first of all!
@VibhavPant Theoretical CS seems frightening ... :/
 
6:27 PM
@r9m any rough estimate on the number of seats available in CMI for the undergraduate programs?
@Sawarnik There's where the fun lies
 
r9m
@VibhavPant I think they put up a list of 60 to 100 or so after the written exam and the number boils down to 22-30 after the interview
 
@Sawarnik Circuit Complexity is quite intriguing
 
:/
 
Knuth's TAOCP 4A has a really nice introduction to it
@r9m ah, thanks
 
@r9m it must be tough to get in.
 
6:30 PM
The entrance paper is a class apart from what you get in the JEE
 
r9m
@VibhavPant i someone has a background in handling Olympiad questions and knows a little bit of real analysis and calculus .. the paper is not at all difficult :-)
 
r9m talking about r9m.
 
@r9m yeah, I think thats what it makes it difficult
 
r9m
@VibhavPant do you have a friend/senior who has participated in the olympiad or preparing to participate in one ?
 
@r9m no :(
 
6:34 PM
@robjohn lol, I just noticed an one line proof!
 
Here's the paper, nice questions :)
But if its me, I would fail the interview anyway.
 
@Sawarnik None of my teachers could solve these
 
r9m
@VibhavPant umm .. in that case you might wanna explore materials from internet .. Aops for example is a nice place :-)
 
yeah
AoPS is really cool
 
@VibhavPant wat! .. but you have MSE anyway :)
 
6:36 PM
Ramsey theory.. why am I sure someone here have been talking about it before?
 
@VibhavPant Oo, you have asked Part B Q4 here, on this site.
 
@Sawarnik where?
oh
yes :D
 
I am still somewhat confused about the "infinite functions" part
 
howdy @Studentmath, @r9m, @Sawarnik
 
r9m
6:38 PM
@TedShifrin hello :D
 
@TedShifrin hello :D
 
I can spell correctly when I am typing on a usual keyboard :P
slaps Sawarnik for impudence
ah, the star brigade is out again ...
3
 
@VibhavPant Why? :O The answer explained it so nicely!
 
@Sawarnik to every $x$ I can assign $-1, 0 or 1$, wouldnt that contradict that $f$ is a non-constant function?
 
r9m
Its been some time since I posted the Q without showing my work (once again) ... the interrogation division of M.Se must be busy elsewhere/sleeping :P
 
6:44 PM
@VibhavPant :O Why it has to be a constant?
 
Hi, everyone!
 
I earlier proved that $f(x)=-1$, $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)=1$
 
@r9m It stops after you have some rep!
 
@Chris'ssis from $(11)$ on it is just some simple manipulations to get things looking like a simple sum... You have a one line proof? I don't doubt there is one.
 
@robjohn I have one! :-)
 
6:46 PM
hi ryagami
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis add it .. add it .. add it .. add it .. puhleeesee :-)
 
hi @Chris'ssis, @robjohn
 
@Vi
@VibhavPant I like your avatar :P
 
@r9m The question says that $f$ is continuous everywhere
@ryagami :)
oops
@Sawarnik The question says that $f$ is continuous everywhere
 
@VibhavPant which question ?
 
6:48 PM
If I assign one of ${-1,0,1}$ arbitrarily to any $x$, wouldnt that make it non-continuous?
 
Looking at the question, you did not mention continuity
 
In the quoted text
 
looks interesting
 
@TedShifrin how is your Sunday progressing?
 
6:50 PM
@ryagami oh god
 
Quite well, thanks :) Played tennis at 7:45 AM before the heat became too horrid ... Now trying to construct an answer to a question here I used to know how to do when I was a graduate student.
 
@ryagami I assumed the function was continuous :|
 
Salut @GTR
 
runs into a wall
 
@sawarnik ah yes
Heya prof. @Ted
 
6:50 PM
@robjohn @r9m One line proof -> math.stackexchange.com/questions/843443/…
 
@VibhavPant That seems to create a problem :P
 
@ryagami Maybe I should venture into into discontinuous functions
 
Yes, those are more fun. :)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis not bad :{ !! :D (+!) oh wait ... Awesome !! :D
 
@r9m :D
 
6:54 PM
makes note to self: never assume continuity
 
Never is an awfully long time, @Vibhav.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis did you watch 300 the new one ? :P
 
@r9m Not yet. :-(
 
@Chris'ssis I just compared your answer with @robjohn 's xD
 
@Hippa: I take it you saw my response to your problem after you went to bed. I will bet you thousands of dollars there's no way to solve explicitly for those curves as graphs $y=y(x)$.
 
6:56 PM
@TedShifrin :D
 
@Chris'ssis Both you and gar mention the recurrence with $I_k$. It would be nice to see it justified (I know it is routine, but it is necessary at some point).
 
@TedShifrin But it would be better with some proof right ;)
 
Such things are basically impossible to prove.
 
Anyone with some graph theory mind helping me understand a certain proof?
 
But this is why theorems like the Implicit Function Theorem are so important. They assert that locally one can do such things abstractly. @Hippa
 
r9m
6:57 PM
@Chris'ssis Ah okay ... watch it when you are done slayin dragons .,. that movie packs some real punch :P
 
@robjohn if I write more then it's not "one line proof" :-)))))))))))))
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis LuL :P
 
@TedShifrin :C
@r9m Is @Chris'ssis playing Skyrim ? :D integral version
 
@Chris'ssis yes, but... why does it need to be one line?
 
@robjohn for fun :-) We need to encourage people that math is easy and that the problems can be done in one line.
 
r9m
6:59 PM
@Chris'ssis lul thats evil :P (still evil .. even after that edit :P )
 
@Chris'ssis certainly I could have compressed my proof to a few lines if I wanted to leave out some intermediate steps, but I like to have it so that it is easy to follow the proof.
 
@Hippalectryon :-)
@robjohn Your proof is definitely better, nicer, well-explained. I only posted a proof in my style.
 
r9m
bbl .. dinner time :)
 
tries to figure out what strange hour @r9m eats dinner
 
7:03 PM
@Hippalectryon lol :D
 
@Chris'ssis and the recursion with $I_k$ is certainly nice, but it has been used three times (if you count Ian's continuation of gar's answer) but never been actually shown. Perhaps I will add it to my answer so that no one with a short answer need sully theirs. :-)
 
I hate how certain proofs can be so rigirious about obvious things, and suddenly state something out of no where that is the most essential thing to the proof without even explaining it..
 
Hey guys :D
@TedShifrin Added you on fb
 
Heya @Ilan :)
 
@IlanAizelmanWS Hello! :)
 
7:05 PM
Well, now going to sleep. peace :D
 
One is only supposed to do such things when they are truly obvious, @Studentmath :D
Sleep already, @Ilan?!
 
It's 22:00 here
 
@TedShifrin Need to wake up in 5:00
 
Ah ...
Sleep well.
 
7:06 PM
@robjohn maybe that part might be done by OP.
 
@Ted if everyone would've done that.. I've seen so many proofs explaining the pignehole principle all over again, only to then state something like "obviously the path is of even length" which is so crucial to the proof, without explaining why..
I am addicted to complaining
 
I know, @Studentmath. Like the text that @Pedro was reading that assumed spanning subgraph without mentioning it for a millisecond.
Well, sometimes such statements are obvious from the trend of the proof, but I can't say without seeing.
 
Back to some very hard stuff ... (where I'm in trouble)
 
@Chris'ssis An uber dragon ? :D
 
@Hippalectryon Yeah, a dragon that kills everything, everyone ... :-(
 
7:11 PM
And then once you manage to kill him you can kill new dragons with the weapons you forge with its skin :D
math are such fun
 
Comme @Hippa aime jouer avec des dragons ...
 
@TedShifrin Ben quoi, c'est gentil les dragons :3
 
Ouais, pas comme nous.
 
@Hippalectryon It's such a pity so many people have no idea about it.
 
@Chris'ssis People fear dragons
 
7:17 PM
@Hippalectryon That's true.
 
But dragons are nice ! With some spices and onions, well cooked :P
 
Dragon tongue's are delicious
2
 
O_o I see we're not alone there :)
 
@Hippa: You told me you don't cook.
 
@TedShifrin Uh ? Have you never heard of buying minions on ebay ? :D
 
7:21 PM
I didn't realize you were such a wealthy prep schoolite.
 
Buying? You mean taking?
 
@ryagami ssssssh don't tell
He'll slap me again :3
 
Ok, ok, sorry
 
@TedShifrin The other students don't lock their windows so when they're not there .....................................................
 
Windows to what?
 
7:23 PM
The windows in their rooms
 
Hello everyone :)
 
@Hippa: Je ne dis plus rien :P
 
Salut Prof. @Ted
 
heya @Sab
 
Hello, @Sab
 
7:24 PM
Hiya @ryagami
@Ted is it okay to skip chapter 1 and 2 of Spivak?
 
Yes, if you know basic algebra of inequalities and induction proofs, @Sab.
 
Alright. I should be fine then.
 
Anyone have any interesting combinatorics? :P
 
@ryagami Level curves of $\binom{N-y}{x}$ :D
 
Whatever that is
 
Saw that question, did not get into it much.
 
8:20 PM
mr @Pedro
 
@TedShifrin Hello.
 
How goes the graph theory/combinatorics war?
 
@Hippa: Tu ne t'endors pas?
Oh oh, and @GTR is awake, too.
 
@TedShifrin Jamais ;)
 
8:22 PM
@Hipp they declared war on each other, have you not heard?
 
@Studentmath Nope
 
No, I meant @Pedro's war with the combination.
 
@TedShifrin I will try to solve some problems now. These week I've been studying a lot, and today I realized I am exhausted.
 
Yeah, you need to play some tennis and take a break from it.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Is your pdf in German or Danish ?
 
8:24 PM
@TedShifrin I gave some classes on friday, saturday and sunday.
 
Do you ever just play for fun, @Pedro?
 
10 classes total. That helped to.
 
Are those 1-on-1 classes?
 
@TedShifrin Not really, no. I don't have someone to play with. =P
@TedShifrin Most of them, yes.
 
Surely that's impossible. You must know lots of your comrades who play.
 
8:26 PM
@TedShifrin Yeah, but there's no time to "fool around".
 
Sigh. You're too young not to have time to fool around. Seriously.
 
I start at 9:45, up to 1:00 pm. Then an hour to eat, then more classes and by that time I am alone.
 
@PedroTamaroff Looks like my schedule :D
 
It's better for students in the US who live on campus for college (rather than at home). Easier to have some fun and work with fellow students, too.
 
@TedShifrin My fellow students don't like ring theory and cyclic/dyhedral groups -_-
 
8:29 PM
Are you the only math geek amongst your cohorts, @Hippa?
 
@TedShifrin I fear I am :/ and that's a shame
 
When I was in college, there were lots of us ... and several better than I ...
 
How many years did you go to MIT?
 
Good memory, @skull. 4 years undergrad ... 2 years postdoc teaching there.
 
@TedShifrin Ah, I didn't know you went to MIT.
I guess it is really nice there. =)
 
8:38 PM
I enjoyed it, yes, both times.
 
@TedShifrin Is there much difference between the the math departments at MIT and Harvard?
 
@skullpatrol I have no idea.
 
@PedroTamaroff sorry pal :D
 
Oh, it changed. They're both excellent, @skull. MIT has a very strong applied group, Harvard less so. They're both ranked in the top 5 departments in the country.
@Pedro: I just saw a pun that is in your style on my Facebook page: When attacked by a mob of clowns, go for the juggler :D
 
Especially if he has a pet investigator ;-)
 
8:50 PM
@TedShifrin Heh, I don't get it. I take the juggler is some part of the body, but I am not going to risk it. =D
 
@anorton It's norwegian. I starred it because I thought it was funny.
I do however know a bit of German. And since our languages are so similar I can understand and read Swedish and Danish.
 
@N3buchadnezzar I think you should write it in english.
Then more people can read and know about it.
It looks really nice.
 
@Pedro: jugular is a big vein. Juggler is a guy who juggles balls or knives or ...
 
@PedroTamaroff Yeah. Like i've said before, I just do not have the time now.
I completely agree though
 
@PedroTamaroff in the neck, that dogs attack when they fight each other
 
8:53 PM
@Chris'ssis In trouble? I just got back from the grocery store, so I've probably missed a lot.
 
@robjohn Yes. I've found a crazy amazing result, it's new (in mathematics), but I need to prove something that is pretty difficult.
 
@skullpatrol Oh. Jugular.
 
yep
 
How do we get from one line to another ?
 
@Hippalectryon They are equating indices.
In the first sum they take out $n=N$ and in the second and $n=0$.
 
8:56 PM
ty
ooooh
 
@Pedro: That was confuzling.
 
of course
 
@TedShifrin Hippa understood!
@Hippalectryon What's your name?
Your given name.
 
That's cuz @Hippa is smarter than I am :)
I wonder if he'll share that ...
 
Why do you want my name :c
 
8:59 PM
Or if he'll be infinitely anonymous like so many ...
 
@TedShifrin xD
 
Because we talk to you too much to keep calling you @Hippa :D
 

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