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6:27 AM
@AlexanderGruber what's your favorite group
 
@Mike binary octahedral
 
good answer
 
@AlexanderGruber physics stuff?
Trying to show $A_5$ has $5$ $2$-Sylow subgroups.
I know $n_2\mid 3\cdot 5$.
So, I have to ruleout $15$ and $3$.
I can rule out $3$ easily.
 
@PedroTamaroff what's yours
 
@Mike My favorite group?
 
6:30 AM
yes
 
I don't know too many really.
I know the usual groups.
I like the Prüfer $p$-groups.
 
i will accept those
 
@Ethan You spelled by as buy, lol.
@mike I like the trivial group.
 
your taste is trivial
 
I am heartbroken.
 
6:34 AM
:)
 
It's sad that I have to pay for shipment from amazon.com.
 
@JasperLoy well shit doesn't have wings!
 
I am now slowly learning about how to group my orders so that I pay the least shipment and import tax.
@PedroTamaroff Do you order from amazon.com as well?
 
Sometimes.
 
I have never bought lottery, I think I should give it a try to become a millionaire.
 
6:41 AM
you should play a fields medal lottery
 
I rather have the money.
 
@Mike $L(3, 2)$
 
Perelman should have accepted the money and given it to me.
 
@JasperLoy It'd be better if he gave it to charity.
 
@BalarkaSen I am charity.
 
6:46 AM
@JasperLoy I never denied that.
=D
 
Have any of you come across a 2000 page book?
 
1000, perhaps.
 
I just ordered one.
 
@JasperLoy D&F has roughly 1k pages.
 
@PedroTamaroff Yes, that's it.
That's the one.
 
6:47 AM
I got the entire "Teachings of the Buddha" series of Wisdom Publications from amazon.
 
better than both of those is david foster wallace's infinite jest
 
@Pedro I am revising D&F ring-field-galois.
 
@PedroTamaroff Lang's Algebra is pretty big too.
 
@Mike I never knew you study string theory.
 
Calabi-Yau manifolds in string theory.
 
6:49 AM
@JasperLoy Yeah, also $\sim$1k.
 
It's interesting how theoretical physics contributes to math, but I don't have time for physics now.
 
@JasperLoy It doesn't.
 
@BalarkaSen Hehe, it does.
Electromagnetism...
 
@PedroTamaroff WAT
I thought math contributes to physics.
 
that's not me
 
6:51 AM
@Mike lol
 
@mike I am still waiting to see what you look like, lol.
 
you'll have to find me first
 
I thought you would put up a picture here.
 
@Mike Student? Professor? Researcher? Where? In what U? Full name?
Then I can search for you.
 
you'll have to find that first, too
 
6:53 AM
You are S. M. Miller?
Hey Ramanujan.
I mean @Ethan.
 
I don't get the reference
 
@Ethan What reference?
 
@ethan How is your OCD now?
 
lol
 
@Ethan What's the reading section about?
 
6:58 AM
reading, I just read very slowly
 
@PedroTamaroff no i just keep finding it hidden in groups
 
Oh, I did not know there is a reading section. Anyway, I took the SAT too long ago.
 
it's everywhere
binary octahedral illuminati
 
@Ethan You are interested in weighted finite sums of type $$\sum_k f(k)f(k-n)$$ lately, I see.
 
I am going out for a walk.
 
7:01 AM
aight
 
Okay, gotta go, byes.
 
@AlexYoucis "@Baby Dragon I certainly hope not. I'd like to hold lot until a professional weighs in. If they don't, maybe I'll change it to an answer – Alex Youcis Oct 26 '13 at 2:41"
 
@Mike Oh, I see. I still think a professional should weigh in :)
 
either recruit or become one :D
 
I'm working on it.
 
7:07 AM
ok
i will bother you again in a few years
 
huehuehue
 
qwr
7:55 AM
hue
 
 
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1:01 PM
Hmm
If $P$ and $Q$ are polynomials with $\operatorname{Deg}(G) \geq \operatorname{Deg}(P) + 2$
 
just use \deg
 
Does the following hold
$$
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac{P(x)}{G(x)} e^{iax} \mathrm{d}x = \sum_{k=1}^m \operatorname{Res}\left[ \frac{P(x)}{G(x)} e^{iax} , z_k\right]
$$
where $a \in \mathbb{R}$ ? Where $z_k$ are the poles of the function.
I think this holds as one can choose a half circle contour, and from jordans lemma then the arc will tend to zero as $R \to \infty$. And since the denominator is larger than the nominator + 2, the real integral converges.
 
r9m
1:41 PM
someone down voted all the questions I asked !! feeling da** trolled :P
 
the system will correct it :)
 
r9m
1:57 PM
:)
 
I was under the impression that a function was analytic iff it was differentiable, however, damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/examples/B7a.pdf question 1ii seems to think differently. Am I misinterpreting the question?
 
2:17 PM
@N3buchadnezzar Firstly, a factor of $2\pi i$ is missing. Secondly, if $G$ has any zeros on $\mathbb{R}$, things get a little more complicated. Thirdly, if $G$ has no zeros on $\mathbb{R}$, you sum only the residues in one half-plane. Fourthly, if $a < 0$, you need the lower half-plane, and thus a factor of $-1$ for the orientation of the contour.
@Alyosha "analytic" means representable by a power series. It turns out that a function is (complex-) analytic on an open set $U\subset\mathbb{C}$ if and only if it is complex differentiable on $U$, but $f$ being complex differentiable at one point $z_0$ does not imply that $f$ is analytic at that point (that needs complex differentiability on a neighbourhood of $z_0$).
 
@DanielFischer I think my problems may stem from never having seen the proof of 'it turns out that...'. Does that theorem have a name/ can you reference a proof of it?
But thank you, your answer was helpful.
 
@Alyosha It's a direct consequence of Cauchy's integral formula. In $$f(z) = \frac{1}{2\pi i}\int_{\lvert\zeta-z_0\rvert = r} \frac{f(\zeta)}{\zeta-z}\,d\zeta$$ expand $\frac{1}{\zeta-z}$ into a geometric series $$\sum_{\nu=0}^\infty \frac{(z-z_0)^\nu}{(\zeta-z_0)^{\nu+1}}.$$
 
@DanielFischer Aha! Thank you again.
I occasionally wonder whether trying to learn complex analysis without much of a formal knowledge in real analysis or topology was a good idea.
 
2:37 PM
I just forgot about the factor $2\pi i$ I know that is needed, I was also thinking about the particluar case where $G(z)$ has no zeros on the real line.
I am just refreshing now, but why would you need the lower plane contour if $a<0$ ?
 
@Alyosha Not a good idea.
 
Indeed. At the moment I'm trying to backfill all the non-formal knowledge I have accumulated.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Because $$\left\lvert e^{iaz}\right\rvert = e^{-a\operatorname{Im} z}$$ becomes large in the upper half-plane for $a < 0$, so you can't deduce that the integral over the semicircle tends to $0$ by the standard estimate or Jordan's lemma.
 
Ah yeah, I see that now. but choosing the appropiate contour based on the sign on $a$, does the result hold?
 
@Alyosha A lot of the topological (and thus analytical) background is usually given within the course....however: the motivation of the definitions may seem unmotivated.
 
2:45 PM
@DavidWheeler how can a motivation seem unmotivated?
 
2:56 PM
@skullpatrol You don't necessarily have to have a chain of motivations right down to the axioms.
@DavidWheeler That's what I've found, although I'm really only doing relatively basic CA.
 
@skullpatrol Weird turn of phrase, that. I blame it on encroaching senility and extreme fatigue.
 
3:12 PM
3 days with an answer. Come on it's not a difficult question
3 days without an answer. Come on it's not a difficult question
 
3:58 PM
@Alyosha I don't think of motivation as something that is chained to axioms, but rather the properties of what I'm working with.
 
Can I post a link to my question here? I getting rather frustrated
*frustrated
 
@Matthew Why not? Although I cant answer it.
 
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MatthewIf $A$ is finite set of linearly independent vectors then the dimension of the subspace spanned by $A$ is equal to the number of vectors in $A$. This is obviously true. Since $A$ is a finite set of linearly independent vectors and spans a subspace, $A$ is a basis for that subspace spanned by $A...

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Ahh! India just lost a thriller. Very disappointed :(
@DavidWheeler I am struggling with the Leibniz notation. I am currently learning the u substitution, though I have no idea how people do by assuming something as $u$ and do something with $du$. I do it my way, identify $f$ and $g$ use the chain rule in reverse. I have till now no idea what $dx$ and $dy$ is, how the ratio becomes a deriviative. Can you help?
 
Cricket?
 
4:05 PM
@Matthew Yup! How do you know?
Oh, I see you are a South African. [I thought some American knew what cricket is :p]
 
@Sawarnik I love cricket.
 
@Matthew Ah, me too! You saw it [?], it was a real thriller. 10 was needed in the last over with 2 wickets in hand for Pakistan. The last over went like this: W,0,6,6 :(
 
No I missed it
 
who played?
 
@skullpatrol Can you answer my linked question?
 
4:14 PM
@skullpatrol I mentioned two teams. You know cricket, baseball guy?
 
India vs S. Africa?
 
Nope
 
@skullpatrol India v Pakistan. Always a classic, isnt it Matthew?
 
Yep
Asia cup
 
when and where is the next world cup of cricket?
 
4:18 PM
@skullpatrol Australia, 2016. You interested?
 
yep
 
@skullpatrol Hmm...first American I have seen interested in this sport.
 
same as the summer olympic year
 
they go hand in hand. You know, US once came through to the 2003 World Cup.
 
@skullpatrol Can you answer my linked question?
 
4:26 PM
@Matthew Bounty?
 
Don't have enough rep
 
A 25 point bounty, you can afford?
 
Thanks
 
@Matthew Why do you want it to be "I would like to know what is the shortest.."
shortest is not always the best
 
I have a handwriting disability so tutorials, and problem sets take a lot longer
 
4:35 PM
ic
 
Don't get me wrong I want a mathematically correct argument
 
Oh, you gave a 50 point bounty. Quite brave!
 
50 is the minimum
 
@Sawarnik some people think Liebniz notation is mis-leading, others think it's great
 
what did Newton think :P
 
4:38 PM
@DavidWheeler I think it is really misleading. What do you think?
@skullpatrol Newton used something very dissimilar. And they were in a fight, so I don't think he would have liked it.
 
Well, in "standard" notation, the only possible interpretation is that $dy = y'(x)dx$...but this begs the question: what is $dx$?
You can put this on a firm footing with an extension of the real number system, but it is kind of strange...
 
Why do so? The other notation is much better and precise.
 
Well, for certain kinds of differential equations it's possible to "separate" $dy$ and $dx$ and then INTEGRATE.
 
@DavidWheeler using the ghosts of departed quantities :D
 
@skullpatrol yes that was a famous quote of the day
 
4:46 PM
@DavidWheeler I am personally very discomfortable with Leibniz notation. Wonder how people like it.
 
Also, it helps to compute "change of variable" substitutions in evaluating integrals
 
Is there any problem continuing with the way I have been doing?
 
give me an example
 
I suppose it is convenient
 
The modern mathematician should be adaptable to all notations.
 
4:49 PM
Profound
 
For computing derivatives, the chain rule in "composition form" works just fine. The inverse function theorem is a bit more cumbersome to state, tho
One way:
$(f^{-1})'(x) = \dfrac{1}{f'(f^{-1}(x))}$
 
Example (sorry for being late): Integrate $x\cdot e^{x^2}$. I note that that the derivative of x^2 is 2x. Therefore, it is of the form $F'(g(x))g'(x)$, where F=e^x, g=x^2. So, integral is F(g(x) and then multiply by 1/2, which I disregarded at the beginning.
 
The other way: $\dfrac{dx}{dy} = \dfrac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}}$
Liebniz becomes awkward when you want to talk about derivatives "at" a certain point
 
then you go to the Physicist :-)
 
It becomes even MORE complicated in higher dimensions, with a few notable exceptions
 
4:54 PM
@DavidWheeler It is simple because $y$ is not cumbersome like $f^{-1}(x)$. What about my example?
 
It's fine...there is no real reason to write $\int f(x)\ dx$, one can simply write $\int f$
but....things like polynomials become a bit awkward to express
for example, the polynomial $p(x) = ax^2 + bx + c$ would become something like:
 
@DavidWheeler Yes, another point I was about to make. And I hate that long S sign too. Wonder what Leibniz thought when ''he spent days fixing the notation, unlike Newton''.
 
$p = a[\ ]^2 + b[\ ] + c$
well, conceptually we are taking $\lim_{\Delta x \to 0} \dfrac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}$ by turning $\Delta$ to $d$
 
And the limit disappears?
 
ghosts of departed limits?
:D
 
4:59 PM
sort of...the "limit" indication is "subsumed" under the $d$ notation
 
@DavidWheeler Wat?? If the limit goes both to the numerator and denominator [quotient property?], it become 0/0, nothing else, and it is not allowed inm the first place.
 
well, we don't actually "go" to 0, we stop infinitesimally shy of it.
in older language, the ratio tends to a number as $\Delta x$ tends towards 0.
 
approaches ...
 
to be more precise about it, we need some way of saying: 'how close is close enough"
 
Again, wat?? You cant stop infinitesimally shy of it. Without limit.
 
5:03 PM
Well, yeah...so in the formal definition of a limit, we have to go through a few contortions
 
Yup, how close? Infinitesimally close? Wat?
 
Well, an infinitesimal is a number less than any real number, but greater than 0.
If you say that about a real number, it has to be the real number 0, so patently, infinitesimals are not real numbers.
 
infinitesimal = 1/infinity
 
So why I am treating it as a number?
dx/dy=1/(dy/dx)?
 
@skullpatrol well, not really, there is more than "one infinity" if you want to go that route
 
5:06 PM
And using it in real numbers, without knowing some extended real number system?
 
@Sawarnik well, it turns out that the infinitesimals, and the transfinite numbers (plus the real numbers) still form a field, so we can take reciprocals and stuff
 
Why not take the limit instead?
 
and every such "extended" real number is infinitesimally close to a real number, called it's "standard part"
 
[And it gives me much pleasure mocking the so called simpler Leibniz notation. Hah :)]
 
Well there are a lot of expositions written using it
 
5:08 PM
Expositions?
 
research papers
 
texts, explanations, forum posts, papers, etc.
 
Are not you doing a BiG overkill? We are doing some infinitesimal thing in real number and extending it to some field and extended real stuff.
 
it is common to refer to a function by the name of its image
 
And why was it believed to be true before 1960s? Everyone used them.
 
5:11 PM
some people regard this as an abuse of notation, but it really is quite common
and with Liebniz it's often quite easy to see which variable you are differentiating with respect to....with other notations, sometimes not so easy
 
You should know what you are differentiating.
 
well with a many-fold composition, it can get kind of tangled
personally, i favor "big D" notation
$f' = Df$
 
But the dy/dx does not tell it is a function of x, unlike f'(x).
 
it does, but only implicitly
 
It is difficult to recognize it as a function.
How useful is that big D instead of the prime?
 
5:17 PM
for example, say you want to know the slope of a tangent line to the circle at the point (a,b)
 
I think something like $D^xf$ would be much more useful. Covers all the usefulness of the Leibniz and better than it in all aspects?
 
When you have more than one variable, one uses $D_jf$ to indicate the derivative with respect to the $j$-th variable
 
That is good.
 
@r9m it's on hold, but I removed the tag. It is a question about character strings, not M-theory strings
 
If $f$ is vector-valued, one writes $D_jf^i$ for the derivative of the $i$-th component at the $j$-th variable.
 
5:20 PM
So the Leibniz has not much usefulness, which can be covered by minor changes in other notation, but creates more difficult problems.
 
Then $D$ becomes the matrix which has the entries $D_jf^i$
 
Back to the point, is my way of doing calculus good?
 
One also sees notation like $f_x$ instead of $D_1f$, or the Liebniz $\dfrac{\partial f}{\partial x}$
 
I have seen the last one, though I had thought that it was some other symbol instead of $d$.
 
@Sawarnik I don't see anything wrong with it, if it allows you to make substitutions correctly
 
5:23 PM
And how does big D represent the second derivative?
 
higher derivatives are then superscripts on the "D"
but if it's a mixed partial, you might have: $D_1D_2f$, so it can get "long" to write out, especially when writing out formulas for divergence or curl
 
Good, I hope they were in common use, will save the many frustrations of many students.
 
@Sawarnik Wikipedia uses it sometimes
 
@IanMateus No common elementary calculus book does.
@DavidWheeler Does making something $u$ make my job easier, instead what I have been doing?
 
Given $c \in (0,1)$ and $b \in (0,1)$ how would one find the (2-dimensional) lebesgue measure (i.e. the area) of the set $\{(x,y): 0 \leq c x (1-c)y \leq b\}$?
sorry, that set should be $\{(x,y): 0\leq cx + (1-c)y \leq b\}$
 
5:29 PM
well you can replace a composition $f \circ g(x)$ by $f(u)$ letting $u = g(x)$, but you have to remember there's a chain rule buried in there
 
So is it easier than just identifying and writing down $g$? In more complex problems?
 
it's not always easy to recognize a function as the derivative of a composition, but it's not impossible
 
@Sawarnik I have seen them only when thinking about operators. Even in this context it is not uncommon to write $d^ny/dx^n$
 
@IanMateus well the "operator" is actually $\dfrac{d^n}{dx^n}$
 
@DavidWheeler No, not the derivative of the composition, of $g$. What I am doing is recognizing the $F$ and $g$ in $F'(g(x))g'(x)$. Is the $u$ more than recognizing $g$ in this case?
 
5:34 PM
@Sawarnik not really, it just "reduces clutter"
sometimes, if we use a "trigonometric" substitution, some nice expression pops out of an ugly one, by using trig identities
 
@DavidWheeler Oh, I do not understand why then it becomes $u\, du$, where does the $du$ come and erase the other things?
Told you, I never understood Leibniz :(
 
in Liebniz, the chain rule is $\dfrac{df}{dx} = \dfrac{df}{du}\dfrac{du}{dx}$
 
@IanMateus I have seen that. But isn't it very strange?
 
@Sawarnik I don't think so
 
Often, even proponents of Liebniz notation say to regard $\dfrac{d}{dx}$ as "one symbol", not some kind of "fraction"
 
5:39 PM
Didnt you guys had problems studying with Lebniz, early on? Am I a odd case?
@DavidWheeler So that is a waste of space and ink? Instead of a $'$? Why will I make a operator so big, if I wanted to have the $x$ somewhere, why not something like your big D?
 
Different people feel comfortable with different notations....alternate notations for LOTS of mathematical entities abound
 
But Lebiniz is a case of bad notation, is it?
@IanMateus @DavidWheeler @robjohn Didn't you guys had problems with Leibniz, early on? Am I an odd case?
 
It confuses some people, others are quite used to it. My physics instructor always used Newtonian notation (with the dots over a variable to indicate differentiation).
 
@DavidWheeler Yeah, students really get confused if you cancel the d's... $\frac1x\,x^2=2x$
 
@DavidWheeler And I thought that physics was the place where people used it.
 
5:45 PM
A lot of physicists DO use it.
 
@robjohn Not good enough for someone studying calculus. They are not a fool, to cancel the $d$s.
 
I believe Spivak's Calculus uses the "prime" notation almost exclusively.
 
@Sawarnik what's not good enough? it's a joke. sorry it didn't make you laugh
 
such a mean square
 
@robjohn You should write it like a joke. And that a complex poor joke :)
 
5:48 PM
a complex conjugate walks into a bar...
 
@DavidWheeler So good authors don't prefer Leibniz as well?
 
@Sawarnik I don't remember this notation as a big deal. It is quite natural
 
I'm sure some good authors do....math is about content as well as form
 
@robjohn Hey, have you seen anything like an explicit error term for Fourier series? I couldn't find an explicit one online.
 
@IanMateus You mean as with Taylor Series, etc?
 
5:50 PM
@DavidWheeler I am using Stewart, and he too doesn't use it mostly, apart from writing the theorems in Leibniz as alternate forms. Until the substitutions.
 
@robjohn exactly. I tried to see them as natural extensions of Taylor series
 
probably so you can recognize the alternate Liebniz forms of theorems when you see them
the main thing is to understand what is being said, not the particular symbols used to express it
 
@DavidWheeler Yes, IC. Why dont they start including your big D. Ok fine, the last advice was good.
 
@robjohn but they have so different properties it didn't help me much.
 
It depends on the area of consideration
 
5:54 PM
@robjohn Three logicians walk into a bar. A waiter asks, do you all want a drink? The first replies, I don't know, the second replies, I don't know, the third replies, yes.
 
Greetings
 
the "big D" notation is usually used for considering operators, or "functions of "functions"in analogy with using capital letters for linear operators in linear algebra
 
@Chris'ssis hello
 
@DavidWheeler But they are good for elementary things as well?
 
@IanMateus Hi :-)
 
5:56 PM
In a beginning calculus text, i usually see "primes" (derivative of $f$ = $f'$)
it's nice and compact
 
@Chris'ssis Are you a sis? Chris must be very lucky then.
 
a lot of times though, that goes out the window when it comes to integration
 
@DavidWheeler Yup, that is what I like. Not the weird Leibniz stuff. Thanks for this discussion :)
 
You're welcome?
 
Why the question mark at the end ?
 
5:59 PM
I don't like analysis very much...too messy for my taste, with lots of tedious computations
 
@IanMateus You could look at $f(\cos(x)+i\sin(x))=\sum\limits_kf^{(k)}(0)(\cos(kx)+i\sin(kx))$
 
@Chris'ssis hey, have you seen any presentation constructing Fourier series as extensions of Taylor series? This is the most helpful one I found online
 
@IanMateus that relates Taylor series and Fourier series
@IanMateus heh... that is just about what I suggested :-)
 
@Sawarnik nice answer. I saw that in some of the answers of Marvis.
 
@robjohn but what do I do with the $i$ part? Hehe :-)
 
6:03 PM
Hello everyone :)
 
@Sawarnik Well, my brother is by far much, much better than me. So, it's the other way around. :-)
 
@IanMateus Do you write your fourier series as $\sum\limits_ka_ke^{ikx}$?
 
I've run into a basic issue that I'm not sure how to tackle, but I'm sure many many many others have before
I have a number I can only express as the root of a trig. equation, and I can't find a closed form
Now I want to integrate this number with respect to another variable in the trig. equation
 
@Chris'ssis If you name your profile as Chris sis, it shows your .., you must be a good sister. And the otherway round too .. Unlike me and my sister, always keep fighting.
 
Is there a name for this?
 
6:05 PM
@robjohn not yet, but this one seems more fundamental. I'll try to extract the error term from here (although it seems like we need $f\in C^{n+1}$)
 
@MickLH can't you just name the unknown quantity and use that?
 
The unknown quantity is the variable $a$ in this question, and the variable of integration would be $m$
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Q: Solving $\sin(t+am)=a$ where $-1 \le m \le 1$

Xpl0s01v3DyN0M173What theory or algorithm would I need to research to solve equations such as $\sin(t+am)=a$ (knowing that $-1 \le m \le 1$) for the value of $a$? My equations may become more complex but have similar properties (and always the constraint on the range of the $m$ variables), such as $\sin(t+\sin(t...

 
@Chris'ssis I did not understand your first comment though, ''nice answer. I saw that in some of the answers of Marvis.''?
 
@Sawarnik It was related to Ian Mateus's saying.
 
@IanMateus There will probably not be a similar error term since Fourier series are developed in a different manner from Taylor series. Fourier series are developed as a Hilbert space approximation. Taylor series are usually developed as an exact formula with an integral as the remainder.
 
6:09 PM
@Chris'ssis How are you both so ..? Everyone I met, tell that they keep fighting with their siblings, including me.
 
@Chris'ssis: good day. You were not here when I scanned earlier
 
fuck, sorry @robjohn, I meant that the variable of integration is $t$, what a silly mistake -_-
 
@robjohn hi :-) I wasn't in a good shape these days.
 
@Chris'ssis ill? my wife has been sick the past few days. She was in the ER on Wednesday, but is getting better.
 
@Chris'ssis Are you on Facebook?
 
6:11 PM
@Sawarnik Chris says that if you wanna be good at math then you have to be crazy, to go into the matter and fight with the worst problems, and fight a lot. I mean to work day and night.
@Sawarnik No, I'm not.
@robjohn Yes, ill. There is a kind a bad cold here.
 
@robjohn ok, a bit of speculation now. Is this Hilbert space that relates the so called "orthogonality" to "being able to approximate a function using linear combinations of blah"? I have seen some other functions with this property (Legendre polynomials), so there must be "Legendre series" and so on, right?
 
@Sawarnik honestly, I don't do often what Chris says.
 
@Chris'ssis Is he good in maths too? Such a nice brother! I wish I was like him.
 
@Sawarnik Yeah, it's definitely better than me. Really? ;)
 
Oh well, I guess it's not a fun enough question for chat :P
I'll post it on the site
 
6:16 PM
@Chris'ssis Why do you keep Chris's sis as your name? I suppose that is a bit too much. ;)
 
@Sawarnik I might change that in the future. Why I didn't do it so far? Maybe I didn't feel the need to do it or I was too lazy to change it ... :-)
@Sawarnik I'm a very flexible person, I can change many things to myself ... ;)
 
@Chris'ssis [One minute, do you like such non mathematical chat [Balarka doesn't for example], or I should.. ]
 
@Sawarnik btw, I was preparing to post a nice question.
 
Ok.
 
Here is a cute series $$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{\displaystyle \binom{2n}{n}^2}$$
I just created it and try to see if it has a nice closed form.
 
6:26 PM
@Chris'ssis That may be what my wife has. She felt faint, nauseous, and had a pain in her stomach.
@Chris'ssis I have a solution for that... lemme look
@Chris'ssis maybe it is without the square
 
@robjohn I see. These are the common symptoms of this disease.
@robjohn It's exactly this way. That version without the square is $\frac{4}{3}+\frac{2\pi \sqrt{3}}{27}$.
@Sawarnik The software has its limits.
 
@Chris'ssis Oh. I thought that Mathematica could do it. Nice series, anyway :)
 
Hello!
 
@Sawarnik I also wanna try to study $$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{\displaystyle \prod_{i=2}^{k} \displaystyle \binom{in}{n}}$$ that I feel it has nice closed forms.
 
The last one is daunting really, for me.
 
6:35 PM
@Chris'ssis you never fail to get me distracted from my work on an integral ;)
 
@MickLH sorry :-)
 
haha! don't be I love it
I need the practice
 
ok :D
 
btw, Is that $k$ a parameter or just $n$ ?
 
@MickLH it's $k\ge 2, k \in \mathbb{N}$
 
6:38 PM
cool :)
 
brb
 
@Chris'ssis why do you feel that has a nice closed form?
 
@robjohn it's something unexplainable that pushes me to think like that. It happens to me many times and I've never failed so far (or I did?).
 
I think that people have the magical ability to find a closed form solution for anything they can perceive, even without conscious knowledge of the un-invented functions making it possible
Otherwise the little "glitches" of everyday life where people somehow just know too much wouldn't add up for me
 
@robjohn did you see $(13)$ here: mathworld.wolfram.com/CentralBinomialCoefficient.html ?
It's simply too nice!
 
6:47 PM
@Chris'ssis so you accept generalized hypergeometric functions as "closed form" here? Wolfram found one to equal your original series.
 
@IanMateus Note that also in that example, although there is a formula in terms of the hypergeometric functions, the first few cases presented have very nice closed forms.
@IanMateus Mathematica gives me only results in terms of the hypergeometric functions for the last one.
@IanMateus $(14)$ $(15)$ $(16)$ are simply amazingly beautiful.
 
@Chris'ssis I initially was pretty sure the series would be here, but it isn't. It might be quite hard, I'll try to extend the beta function first.
 
@IanMateus Nice paper.
 
7:20 PM
@Chris'ssis That uses Hypergeometric functions (bleh)
 
@robjohn this is a great paper.
 
@Chris'ssis Lots of different series for the reciprocal (but none for the square)
 
7:42 PM
Is there an asymptotic form for $\sum_{p \text{ prime} \le x}\frac{1}{p}$?
Known to humanity, that is.
 

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