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4:00 AM
Are there any other programs besides WolframAlpha that I can use?
 
@MathyPerson That was Mathematica I used
@MathyPerson Maple is good and easy for this
 
WolframAlpha was very good a few years ago, but now they have restricted the features so much for free users
 
@r9m Let my problem be known: $12481282148124*1295172510 \pmod {124124}$ it has yet to be solved
 
it is almost worthless now
 
@r9m It is known, accurately stated, objectively solvable and has a verifiable solution
@TomCruise I know, so sad...
 
4:02 AM
Does this make sense?: Prove A∪(A∩B)=A.
Let’s prove by counterexample; if A∪(A∩B)≠A, then A⊂(A∩B) would have to hold. If A⊂B, then A∩B=A. We are left with A∪A≠A. We know that A∪A=A, and we are left with a contradiction. Therefore, A∪(A∩B)=A.
 
@r9m by your given definition, it is an open problem.
 
@ConorO'Brien clearly it suffices to prove $\subseteq$. Well... that's obvious too
 
r9m
@Committingtoachallenge but it is a solved problem ! a good algorithm exists for arriving at a solution ! so it is not a previously unencountered problem ..
 
@r9m 1) That wasn't part of your definition :P, 2) Noone has ever typed that problem up before ever
 
@TomCruise Would it work to instead replace all instances of ⊂with ⊆?
 
4:05 AM
By Maple, do you mean maplesoft.com?
 
r9m
@Committingtoachallenge what about the 'which has not yet been solved (no solution for it is known)' part then ?
 
@ConorO'Brien to prove two sets are equal the best way is to show $\subseteq$ and $\supseteq$.
 
@r9m Is that not true of my problem?
@r9m Noone on earth knows the solution at the moment
@r9m You can solve it, and it will no longer be open :P
 
r9m
sigh
 
@TomCruise Ahh, so, if $A \subseteq B$ and $A \supseteq B$, then $A=B$?
 
4:07 AM
yep
 
@r9m It is a trivial problem obviously, but it is indeed open by that definition
 
Cool, thanks!
 
two sets are the same iff they have the same elements...
 
r9m
@ConorO'Brien 'Let’s prove by contradiction' .. prove by contradiction (disprove with counterexample) ..
 
@r9m Else you think the digits of $\pi$ have solved the riemann hypothesis, hence it is a closed problem?
 
4:08 AM
@TomCruise facepalm I gotta get some sleep.
 
r9m
@Committingtoachallenge math problem wiki
 
I guess the mark of a good theorem is that it has an interesting proof. I do not care to read through mindless computations. And we have proofs of some really major statements which are so incomprehensible that they only really serve to show we can't disprove the statement...
 
@r9m What to look at here?
 
like the 5000 page proof of the finite classification theorem in algebra
nobody cares
 
@TomCruise I wonder how many people have ever read the whole thing
 
4:11 AM
maybe one or two
or the 4 color theorem proof
it doesn't really help us understand
 
@r9m What is your definition of solving an open problem?
 
Any input on the generating functions problem I asked above??
 
@MathyPerson It equals 114?(By my computation)
 
Or Feit-Thompson. Powerful result, thousands of pages of proof.
 
someday people will simplify those proofs I think
 
4:15 AM
@Committingtoachallenge Could you explain your process? Or did you use brute force?
 
unless they lose interest because its solved
 
Brute force : Coefficient[
Sum[t^i, {i, 0, 1000}] Sum[t^(2*i), {i, 1, 1000}] Sum[
t^(2*i + 1), {i, 0, 2}], t, 80]
 
I doubt it @TomCruise. Look at the PNT, for example.
 
@TomCruise Wait for P=NP
 
People go back and find quicker proofs all the time.
 
4:16 AM
Just tested it out. It said that it was incorrect. @Committingtoachallenge
 
well number theory is just a mess ;)
 
@MathyPerson Tested it where?
 
@KajHansen have you taken graph theory?
 
He certainly has
 
It's more of an online class I am taking. I input the answer in. If it's wrong it says "Sorry! Incorrect!" if it's right, then it says it's correct and loads the solution.
 
4:18 AM
Okay, I will look at your above thing
 
I actually haven't taken graph theory.
 
I am gonna need help with it next semester
 
I had two weeks of graph theory in my probability course online
 
Graph theory is one of those subjects where I pick things up that I need over time.
 
$(t^0+t^1+\dots+t^\infty)(t_2+t_4+t_6+\dots+t^\infty)(t^2+t^5)$
 
4:20 AM
I don't really like finite math
lots of induction... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
76 is the answer
 
@Committingtoachallenge Still incorrect
 
whats the best book in Graph Theory?
 
can you confirm The third kid receives "0, 2, or 5 candies."
You have written different things
 
Yes, what you posted is right.
 
4:23 AM
(1+x^3+x^5) in your thread
 
yeah, that's what it looks like in generating function form
ohh
i see
x^3 in my thread, 2 in the original problem statement.
It's "The third kid receives "0, 2, or 5 candies"
Determine how many ways I can distribute 80 candies to 3 kids, such that:

The first kid receives an arbitrary number of candies (possibly 0).
The second kid receives an even positive number of candies.
The third kid receives 0, 2, or 5 candies.
Every candy is distributed.
 
Do you have infinite attempts?
 
lay across my big brass beddddddd
lol what a weird song
 
Yes, its infinite @Committingtoachallenge
 
116 then
I assume that is correct by the silence orr
 
4:26 AM
yayy its 116
 
you should not give candy to kids
 
Yeah it was that 2/3 discrepancy haha
 
Oh, no wonder. I wrote the generating function for the second kid wrong.
 
Coefficient[
Sum[t^i, {i, 0, 10000}] Sum[
t^(2*i), {i, 1, 10000}] *(t^0 + t^2 + t^5), t, 80] = 116
 
"The generating function representing all possible allotments to the first kid is 1+x+x^2+x^3+\cdots = \frac 1{1-x}. The generating function for the second kid is x^2+x^4+x^6+\cdots = \frac {x^2}{1-x^2}. The generating function for the third kid is 1+x^2+x^5. Let P(x) be the product of these three functions. Then the coefficient of x^n in the power series expansion of P(x) is the number of ways of distributing exactly n candies to the three kids. Specifically, we want the coefficient of x^{80}.
Oh darn, the LaTeX didn't go through
 
4:28 AM
@MathyPerson Your second kid was a number between $[-1,1]$ lol
 
Yeah, that was where my mistake was :O
Anyways, what they did was partially expand it out and then find a formula for the coefficients
 
@MathyPerson So they did it by hand??
If the answer in your question is your example? That is bruteforce haha, you wouldn't do that by hand I imagine
@kaj You have never done a specific course in graph theory?
 
@Committingtoachallenge Oh, no that was the solution they gave me after it said it was correct
 
ugh I hate my neighbors
maybe I can get enough money to move away from everybody
 
@TomCruise lol, that was random
 
4:33 AM
a shack in Maine
@MathyPerson I know, sorry, I just have to vent somehow
 
@MathyPerson Oh okay, cool. Well I wish you the best of luck with the remaining questions(if there are any)
I must go now, cya guys, I am procrastinating
 
@TomCruise lol, thats fine
 
I will be checking on your blog occasionally
 
@Committingtoachallenge thanks for your help!
 
@MathyPerson No problem :)
@TomCruise Tell me if you make one!
 
4:38 AM
awkward silence
well, it's getting late over here. ta ta for now! :)
 
@MathyPerson bye tigger
 
i cant find an example of a left inverse not being unique @kaj
apparently a left inverse is not necessarily unique, unlike a total inverse
@integrator i think this^ means that $g(f(x))=x$ but $f(g(y))\ne y$ any ideas? $f:X\to Y$, $g:Y\to X$
 
4:56 AM
@beginner I hate those $f$ thingies
 
i dont know how this is possible, unless maybe in one direction it is fine, but in the other it loses information
like does $f(x)=x^2$, $g(x)=\sqrt{x}$ count?
cause we get $g(f(x))=g(x^2)=\pm x$, but $f(g(x))=f(\sqrt{x})=x$
one is $\pm x$ the other is just $x$
 
5:32 AM
I actually don't know any examples off the top of my head @beginner, as embarrassing as that is. Maybe I'm being dense.
 
@KajHansen thats alright, it is a weird topic
@KajHansen i think i got it though, one function removes an element, the other adds in an arbitrary one
 
I'll be back shortly
 
@KajHansen ok cya later
 
6:17 AM
@beginner Why do you think so?
 
6:40 AM
@HatMan about the hat man?
@HatMan i have had sleep paralysis induced hallucinations my entire life and i always see a weird silhouette of a man wearing a hat or something on or around his head in my hallucinated state. but i know for a fact it is an hallucination since other properties of the dream state are wrong and my parents explained to me the science behind it and your brain when interrupted from REM sleep is in a paralised state due to neurotransmitters, and part of your brain responsible for dream fabricati-
-on is the same part of your brain active during hallucinations
i do typing practice on 10fastfingers.com
 
@beginner I don't understand a word of what you have written :(.
@beginner. Okay, how does that lead to your conclusion?
 
i experience the 'hat man' under the standard condition of sleep paralysis based hallucination. he is merely a hallucination, e.g. he isnt real
he is certainly terrifying though and i have panic attacks each and every time
this is also one of the primary theories for the alien abduction events
 
6:56 AM
@beginner You are claiming that the 'hat man' in your dream is imaginary. What about 'hat man' outside of your dreams?
 
@HatMan the reported cases of the hat man are after awakening? what other scenario am i to refer to?
@HatMan it is post dream though, it is when my awareness is awake, but my body is still in paralysis and my dream related areas of my brain are still active
 
You are 13 year old. When you become older, you will understand.
 
7:24 AM
@HatMan but you didnt refute any of my points?
why does age always become the reason why my points are invalid!!??
 
@beginner You will understand that too when you are old enough.
 
7:40 AM
@hatman you are currently operating under anchoring bias, the curse of knowledge effect and the overconfidence effect, i am sorry it had to be me to tell you this
 
@beginner I was kidding.
 
@HatMan ;'(
 
@AlexanderGruber I like your picture.
Can I know whose photograph is it?
 
8:00 AM
@beginner By the way, it is nice to see a 13 year old interested in Mathematics.
 
@HatMan thank you hatman, i now know you were just trolling me. and will likely continue to do so fruitlessly
 
No I'm serious.
What book are you learning currently?
 
@HatMan book of proof - hammock(or however you spell it), linear algebra and i am looking at different analysis books
i am just learning the chinese remainder theorem now
 
It is I. Admiral Yu. Terror of the seven mathematical seas
5
 
@HatMan do you want to give me a problem from your favourite field? what is your favourite field?
 
8:14 AM
@beginner Even I don't know. I'm also a beginner.
 
8:35 AM
@r9m They're probably jealous with Andre :D
 
i know that $(x,y)\mapsto(y,x)$ means that we just reverse the components of the 2$-tuples$, but would you write $f:X\to Y$ for $f(x)=x^2$ as $x\mapsto x^2$?
we we use the $\mapsto$ symbol to show $x\mapsto f(x)$?
@robjohn are you there?
 
@beginner I am
 
is that above right? (sorry to bother you if you are busy)
is $\mapsto$ used for showing what $x$ transforms to with the function $f$?
 
@beginner That seems like a good interpretation.
 
@robjohn is that symbol standard?
 
8:40 AM
@beginner It can be used to show functional mapping or substitutional mapping. Both are fine.
@AlexanderGruber CCCCCCC
 
so if i had $f:X\to Y, g: Y\to Z,g(f(x)),$ where $f(x)=x+1$ and $g(x)=x^2$, would it be fine to write $x\mapsto (x+1) \mapsto (x+1)^2$ or should i write $x\mapsto [y=(x+1)] \mapsto [z=y^2]$
@AlexanderGruber what are the seven mathematical seas? topology, analysis, calculus, geometry, statistics, algebra, number theory?
actually i think number theory is a type of algebra :\
 
@beginner it intersects algebra and analysis
@beginner I would think $x\stackrel{f}{\mapsto}x+1\stackrel{g}{\mapsto}(x+1)^2$ would be clearer.
since one would say $f:x\mapsto x+1$ and $g:x\mapsto x^2$
 
9:01 AM
@beginner analysis, algebra, applied math, logic, combinatorics, topology, and competitive bourbon guzzling
 
@robjohn What makes a good mod?
@robjohn I mean how should I choose my candidate? On basis of his reviews? badges? sportsmanship? his posts? reputation?
 
@Integrator The ability to stay level headed when things get heated and to be able to work with the other moderators.
@Integrator I would look at their meta posts or comments. That is where their opinions on the operation of the site would be expressed.
 
@robjohn And what if s/he don't have enough meta posts?
 
@Integrator If they have not posted or commented on meta, then you can't tell very much about their opinions on the things important to moderation. More importantly, I think that participation in meta is required for moderation.
 
@robjohn till now 11 nominations and only one worth voting for!
 
9:15 AM
@Integrator I see at least two, but I don't want to say anything more.
@Integrator reputation is only important to moderation as it somewhat indicates a devotion to the site and some experience with the way things work here. However, mathematical knowledge is not a requirement for moderation.
 
@robjohn Thanks! Now I'll just hope that more good candidates will nominate themselves!
@robjohn See ya!
 
@Integrator l8r
 
@robjohn Are sure about "mathematical knowledge is not a requirement for moderation"? If so, I'd nominate myself then ^^
 
@Venus Then, I'd not vote for you! You just have down-voted 45 times! You need to improve
 
@Integrator so would you vote to impeach me? I have not downvoted at all.
 
9:23 AM
@Integrator That what I thought. I'd increase my donwvotes to level someone here ^^
 
in Mathematics 2014 Moderator Election, 5 mins ago, by Venus
@Integrator Maybe make a ton of downvotes. ^^
 
@robjohn Hey!? You're a clean man! Salute...
 
@robjohn That's what dear venus mentioned!
@Venus Me too!
 
@Integrator I'd start to downvote some of your answers first :D
 
Feel the love in the air...
 
9:25 AM
@robjohn thank you very much
 
@robjohn Those down-votes weren't reversed but, somebody kind of compensated for them.
 
@Integrator Should I run then :P(Jokes)
 
@Integrator That is weird. There must have been more than one person. The problem would be if the votes were cast by sockpuppet accounts.
 
@Committingtoachallenge You should nominate yourself then, you'll have @Venus 's vote!
 
@Integrator Who's that somebody?
 
9:28 AM
@Venus please don't make me mention that! :P
 
@Integrator Yeah, gimme a break.
I'd cast my downvote
 
@Venus What do you mean?
 
@Integrator I have venus on ignore if she is talking to me
 
8 mins ago, by Integrator
in Mathematics 2014 Moderator Election, 5 mins ago, by Venus
@Integrator Maybe make a ton of downvotes. ^^
@Committingtoachallenge see that!
 
@Integrator What is the context? Making downvotes to make yourself desirable?
brb
 
9:33 AM
@Committingtoachallenge see this chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19294/…
 
@Integrator Nothing. I'm not interested in engaging any conflict with a sassy boy
 
@Venus Sorry but I didn't get anything, English is not my first language!
 
@Integrator Me either
 
@Venus That makes two of us!
 
@Integrator Hi five!
 
9:37 AM
@Venus :)
 
@Venus who is the sassy boy?
 
Me I would guess if it is coming from Venus
 
@Committingtoachallenge as long as it isn't me lol
gotta go, ill be back to see if kaj is on probably
 
Assumptions are dangerous things to make
 
Feel the love in air
 
9:43 AM
@beginner Of course, it is not you. You seem a nice guy ^^
 
@Venus Neither it's me right?
 
@Integrator Neither are you
 
@Venus thanks god
@Venus how to solve this
 
@Integrator No idea
 
@Venus Are you happy with nominations?
 
9:51 AM
@Integrator Not really
 
@Venus wait!
 
Only Daniel sensei's nomination makes me happy
 
@Venus Daniel sensei? You mean Daniel fisher?
 
But Andre's votes makes me sad
@Integrator Our GURU
Indeed
 
Huy
@Venus: Daniel nominated himself? I don't see the nomination.
 
9:53 AM
@Huy No, but Ron G did
I hope he accepts it
 
Huy
@Venus: Ron G nominated Daniel?
 
Yep
 
Huy
@Venus: Ah, okay, cool.
I hope so too.
 
@Venus Got to go!
 
9:55 AM
@Huy The happiest thing so far in nomination candidates
@Integrator Bye!
 
Huy
@Venus: I'd vote for Martin as well, but apart from those two, no.
 
Hello everyone!
 
@Huy Martin declines his nomination
 
Huy
@Venus: That's unfortunate.
 
So does Andre
 
Huy
9:56 AM
@Venus: I don't really care for the rest. :P
 
@Huy So far, I only care with those two ^^
I'd vote Dr. Sonnhard Graubner as well if he is nominated or nominates himself :D
 
Huy
@Venus: Try nominating him.
 
@Huy Nah
 
Huy
@Venus: Ok. I have to get ready for lunch now. See you later!
 
@Huy See you too!
 
10:01 AM
Could someone help me understand this answer?
5
A: A partition of the unit interval into uncountably many dense uncountable subsets

chatishThis is a nice problem but I think this is not a problem for MO. Anyway, the coset trick mentioned by @Alain Valette is nice. As another way to approach a solution, consider the function $f : [0,1]\longrightarrow \Bbb{R}$ with $f(x) = \limsup_n \frac{x_1+x_2+\cdots+x_n}{n}$ where $0.x_1x_2\c...

I am not sure about the notation used in it
 
10:15 AM
I'd vote for @Pedro
Captain Nemo much, @AlexanderGruber?
 
10:54 AM
Morning, guys!
Are there a lot of nominations to choose from for the mod thing?
 
11:15 AM
@Khallil Define 'a lot'? :P
 
Haha! More than 20, @Committingtoachallenge!
(I see you've changed your name, so you didn't commit to one!) :P
 
@Khallil There are $n$ to pick from where $n\in\Bbb Z$
@Khallil When is the last time we have spoken??
@Khallil I changed it 2 months ago to this haha xD
 
It must've been over 10 weeks ago! I haven't had much time to come on here until now, @Committingtoachallenge!
 
@Khallil We have been worse off due to your vacancy
We all love you here @Khallil
 
11:31 AM
Sorry for the late reply, @Committing.
I disconnected. How've you been?
 
Čech was a Czech mathematician. Interesting. Is it common for Czech citizens to have such similar titles?
 
11:50 AM
Petr Čech is a goalkeeper for Chelsea and he's also from the Czech Republic, @Balarka.
 
12:13 PM
Hey, @Sawarnik!
How've you been?
^_^
 
@Khallil Hey.
Just as usual :)
 
That's good to hear!
Have you been learning any new math recently?
(I've been slacking. Haven't done any math for a solid week now. ^_^")
 
@Khallil Well, me too :D
 
12:29 PM
@Khallil @Sawarnik \o
 
12:49 PM
Hey, @Studentmath!
 
just testing this out
 
@Studentmath hi!
 
Huy
1:46 PM
Sup, @Khallil.
 
Long time no see, @Huy!! ^_^
 
Huy
@Khallil: Same. How's uni?
 
How's the semester been?
 
Huy
@Khallil: Not sure. Didn't attend many lectures.
 
It's been great fun. The semester is over and I'm back home!
No? Is everything okay?
 
Huy
1:48 PM
@Khallil: I don't usually attend lectures. I think they're a waste of time.
@Khallil: I'll have to play football against one of my pupils this Friday, and he's really good. I'm scared for my life.
 
Really? What if there's a fantastic lecturer you have for a module, @Huy?
Don't be! Just be vocal and you'll scare them!
 
Huy
@Khallil: It would still force me to stick to a schedule and I don't like that too much.
@Khallil: He's just three years younger than I am and he plays in the second league, if that conversion makes any sense for you.
 
Ah, fair enough! Yep, I feel the same. I missed a fair few lectures last semester.
The second league?!? He must be really good! :-0
 
Huy
@Khallil: Yeah. And he's rather short, like between 165 and 170 cm, and also not built like a truck, just a little wider shoulders than the usual guy.
@Khallil: A friend I went to school with is currently playing in third league and he's probably the best player I've ever played with. So, yeah. Looking forward to a real challenge. :P
@Khallil: Did you take your exams yet ?
 
That's awesome. It's quite a feat to be play in a league that good and not be built like a tank!
Nope, I haven't taken any yet, @Huy. ^_^
 
Huy
1:57 PM
@Khallil: When are you taking them? After Christmas?
 

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