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23:00
$$\iint_D u\Delta u=\int_{\partial D^+}u\nabla u\cdot \vec n-\iint_D \nabla u\cdot \nabla u$$
That's also Gauss.
@Kaj: I'm not your adviser, but I approve. :)
That shows that if you have an harmonic function that vanishes on the boundary of a open connected bounded subset of the plane, it must be zero there.
It was cool.
Yup @Pedro, plus product rule.
@TedShifrin Then I had to show that the solutions of $x''=Ax$ form a subspace of dimension $2n$.
Next prove mean value property of harmonic fns, @Pedro.
23:02
Where $A\in M_n(R)$.
@TedShifrin Just like holomorphic functions, yes?
But works for harmonic fns in any dimension, @Pedro
@BalarkaSen, I'm not so sure. You probably know more algebra than I do, at the very least.
@TedShifrin Cool beans.
@DanielFischer It seems like a case-by-case analysis does the trick. We want to prove that $d'(x, y) < d'(x, z) + d'(z, y)$. Assume $d(x, z) < d(x, y)$, then $d'(x, z) > d'(x, y)$ by monotonicity. Hence $d'(x, y) < d'(x, z) < d'(x, z) + d'(z, y)$, done. This also holds true similarly for $d(x, z) < d(z, y)$. Thus WLOG $d(x, z) > d(x, y)$ and $d(x, z) > d(z, y)$, in which case just normal triangle ineq for $d$ does the trick.
I believe I need another redo at my module theory before I can claim I know any algebra, @Kaj
I have already redoed groups.
@TedShifrin So I just have to use the Hodge star and to get the general Gauss trick, yes?
23:07
@BalarkaSen Or $$\frac{d(x,y)}{1+d(x,y)} \leqslant \frac{d(x,z) + d(z,y)}{1+d(x,z)+d(z,y)} \leqslant \frac{d(x,z)}{1+d(x,z)} + \frac{d(z,y)}{1+d(z,y)}$$
Oh that's beautiful @DanielFischer
@DanielFischer Daniel, I want to learn German.
PNT, yes
@Pedro Why don't you look at a bit modern and english books?
Like Titchmarsh?
I want to read Landau's work.
He has only 3 translated works, which I have already looked into.
Plus I want to visit Cologne.
Blah. As I can see it, he used Perron, so potato-pohtato.
23:10
@PedroTamaroff Warum nicht.
You'll just get some stronger/weaker estimates.
@DanielFischer I know that "nicht" means no.
So, I got half of what you said
Hm...
Sup people of the world
No, it means night. Or not?
OMG :O Hi Prof. @TedShifrin
23:11
@PedroTamaroff "Why not"
@Sabಠ_ಠ Inf people not of the word.
You need to use spherically symmetric harmonic functions in dimension $n$, @Pedro, and use Green's formula for two harmonic functions.
@DanielFischer Why not, what?
@TedShifrin Spherically symmetric?
You're losing me Ted!
@PedroTamaroff Why not learn German. It can be useful.
@DanielFischer I want to, yes!
23:12
Hi @Sab
Long time @Ted
Exams are 10 days away :D
In dim 2, it's $\log r$; in dim 3 it's $1/r$. @Pedro
You learning lots, @Sab?
Repost : Can anyone have a look and confirm that this answer is BS?
@Pedro: Look at exercises in section 8.6 of my text.
@TedShifrin OK.
looks
23:14
LOL
@TedShifrin Be careful when Balarka says topology is cool; he's talking about point-set, the poor fellow.
I know, @Mike. And I like point set.
@TedShifrin I'm looking at it.
I have a "problem."
I taught it 4 or 5 times and had some great classes.
23:19
@BalarkaSen No, it's okay, $\sum 5^k = \frac{1}{1-5} = -\frac{1}{4}$ in the $5$-adic metric.
@TedShifrin What topics did you cover?
@MikeMiller Point set topology is fun.
DOUBLE YES
When I pulled back, I got $\cos s ds\wedge dt$. But maybe we used different spherical coordinates.
Through Tietze Extension in Munkres, plus extra analysis a few courses.
23:20
I used the one where $s\in [-\pi/2,\pi/2]$.
@DanielFischer Is it OK to manipulate your expressions that way to result in those stuffs?
I mean, one needs a rigorous approach to prove that $\sum 5^k$ indeed does converge in the 5-adic sense
@TedShifrin OK, that's reasonable... it's the stuff after that (and the stuff that Brian Scott used to answer, say) that I find absolutely unfathomably dull.
@BalarkaSen $5^n\to 0$.
We use spherical coords with $s\in [0,\pi]$.
Oh, OK. Then I guess I'm safe.
23:22
Oh, Brian is back.
@BalarkaSen That follows from $5^k \to 0$, since the $p$-adic metrics are ultrametrics.
@PedroTamaroff Is that enough in $5$-adic metric for convergence?
@BalarkaSen what's the 5-adic metric?
@MikeMiller $d(x,y) = 5^{-v_5(x-y)}$
@MikeMiller metric induced by $|x| = p^{-\nu_p(x)}$, $\nu_p(x)$ largest integer such that $p^{\nu_p(x)} | x$
23:23
@MikeMiller MIKE!
@DanielFischer I was not asking you... :P
@BalarkaSen So what does convergence mean?
@TedShifrin Yes.
@MikeMiller We need interpunction for Socratic questions ;)
It's good, Brian takes care of topology.
Well, mostly the point set. I agree with Mike that what comes after is more interesting ....
23:26
@MikeMiller Do I have to repeat the standard metric definition of convergence? :P
Yes, @DanielF ... We've had that problem before :)
@BalarkaSen If you can't immediately say why $\sum 5^k$ converges, then yes!
I suppose I should clarify that I don't hate the introductory point set... it's the stuff that you start doing when you don't stop doing point-set.
@MikeMiller $\{x_n\}$ coverges in $(X, d)$ $\iff$ For every $\epsilon > 0$, there exists a positive int $n_0$ such that for all $n > n_0$, $d(x_n, x) < \epsilon$
OK. Now what are the elements of $\Bbb Z_5$?
Gah. $\mathbf{Z}_5$, man.
@MikeMiller $X = \mathbb{Z}$ is the underlying set.
23:29
Is the underlying set of $\Bbb Z_5$?!
@MikeMiller OK, no I was thinking of the metric again.
$\prod \Bbb Z/5^k \Bbb Z$
That's closer to true, but still not quite so (it's a subgroup of that).
The answer I was hoping for was "$\Bbb Z_5$ is the completion of $\Bbb Z$ under the $5$-adic metric".
I haven't studied metric completion.
I am only familiar with the inverse limit definition.
@DanielFischer Surely not!
@DanielFischer thanks for the correction
@MikeMiller Bah, so the underlying set was $\Bbb Z$
Grrr
23:33
what do you mean by underlying set?
Because the answer is probably "no, it's not"
The set on which the metric acts?
the underlying set is $\Bbb Z_5 \neq \Bbb Z$...
@BalarkaSen Ok, by your inverse limit definition, we have an element $(1, 1+5, 1+5+25, \dots) \in \Bbb Z_5$. This is the $x$ to which your sequence should converge. Verify it.
OK, I am going to just stick to the inverse limit definition. Can you show me that $\mathbf{Z}_p$ (the algebraic object) and completion of $\Bbb Z$ under the $p$-adic metric coincides?
pops popcorn
@BalarkaSen Yes, I can (where the "algebraic object" means "the algebraic object with the $p$-adic metric on it"), but I won't, because I think you should do it. All I'll say on the matter is that elements of the inverse limit look a lot like Cauchy sequences...
23:37
@MikeMiller Aaaand... what is my sequence supposed to be?
... the sequence you wanted to show converges ...
$\sum_{k=0}^n 5^k$
Under the 5-adic metric?
I am feeling all my ideas on p-adics are intuitive. Would it be a good idea to think on it and rigorify it or would it be better to just read up some text?
I don't see what the problem with the former is; you have all the appropriate definitions, and you've said them here.
23:47
I am now 70 kg. Will try to cut down to 65 kg by the end of this year, lol.
OH WAIT
We want to prove that $\lim|| \sum_{k = 0}^n 5^k + 1/4 ||_5 = 0$
Now $|| \sum_{k = 0}^n 5^k - (-1/4) ||_5 = || 1/4(5^{n+1} - 1) + 1/4 ||_5 = || 5^{n+1}/4 ||_5 = 1/4 \cdot 5^{-n-1} \to 0$ as $n \to \infty$ @Mike
Is that right?
That was a great mental block. Thinking about $\Bbb Q$ with a different metric imposed.
It's almost as hard as thinking of it as coming up with a discontinuous unbounded function.
@BalarkaSen Now prove that $\sum a_i 5^k$ converges for any sequence of $a_i \in \{0,1,2,3,4\}$.
@MikeMiller $||x + y||_p \leq \min(||x||_p, ||y||_p)$
23:57
@MikeMiller HELLO
go on...
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$||\sum^n a_i 5^k ||_5 \leq \text{min}(||a_i 5^k||_5) \leq \text{min}(k \cdot a_i)$

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