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Hm, admittedly the answer in question is not of any mentionable quality. But it does at least attempt to answer the question (following the discussion with OP in the comments).
 
@robjohn I know it but just want to mention it in the comments
mh i got 44 helpful vs 3 declined + 14 disputed flags
 
8:30 AM
Mine is 9 helpful of 9 total :).
 
@DominicMichaelis I converted it to a comment anyway
 
I gonna TeX the handwriting of my algebra prof
 
@DominicMichaelis Heh... I just noticed that my comment used the same example as you did :-)
 
yeahi thought that is the most intuitive
 
8:50 AM
@DominicMichaelis I should probably use cases but I use array
 
with mathjax TeX is so badly set :(
 
@DominicMichaelis It's better than ASCII
 
its better than word ;)
btw when to use than and when to use then
 
@DominicMichaelis One of my papers for Apple was written in word... I agree with you
 
I would think of changing university if they force me to write my bachelor thesis in word ...
 
8:55 AM
@DominicMichaelis Than is comparison: greater than; then is consequemce: if A, then B
in general
 
ah great thanks:)
 
"I'd rather be here than there" and "I'd rather be here then there" are both correct, but with quite different meanings...
The first is a preference for here rather than there. The second is a desire to be here before there
 
I'm not sure if there is a nice way to compute $\lim_{n\to\infty} n\left(\sum_{k={n+1}}^{\infty} \frac{1}{k^2}\right)$. Apparently Riemann sum works but it requires some additional work.
@DominicMichaelis hi. How are you? :)
 
9:09 AM
its not zero ?
 
@DominicMichaelis no. It's 1.
 
oh
mathematica says so too
gee that fight should be slowly over, i am watching dragonball z and this fight goes over at least 24 episodes ...
 
@DominicMichaelis some new episodes of dragonball z?
 
episode 104 i am currently watching
 
9:13 AM
its the hour of nemeks last 5 minutes ;)
 
three or 4 episodes ago the planet did have 5 minutes left, and an episdoe is about 20 minutes
mh $$\sum_{k=n+1}^\infty \frac{1}{k^2} = \psi(n+1)$$ where $\psi$ is the digamma function
 
@DominicMichaelis: ups. It just came to my mind to use the squeeze theorem by using integrals.
This seems to be really fine.
 
mh funny we never defined algebra nor a divisionalgebra but the prof uses it all time in his script
@Chris how do you squeeze ?
 
@DominicMichaelis I think I rewrite things as $\lim_{m\to\infty} \lim_{n\to\infty} n\left(\sum_{k={n+1}}^{m n} \frac{1}{k^2}\right)$
And this looks better if written as $\lim_{m\to\infty} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left(\sum_{k={1}}^{m n} \frac{n}{(n+k)^2}\right)$
 
9:30 AM
partial fraction decomposition
oh no we have no zero :D
wait why no square ?
 
@DominicMichaelis there was a mistake. Now we can bound it with integrals.
 
@DominicMichaelis this can also be done with Riemann sums but I think of how to make it rigorous enough.
Actually, all gets reduced to $\lim_{m->\infty} \int_0^m \frac{1}{(1+x)^2} \ dx=1$
 
@DominicMichaelis I don't think that is correct...
 
@robjohn mathematica said that
 
9:44 AM
I thought
$$
\sum_{k=1}^n\frac1k=\psi(n+1)+\gamma
$$
 
@robjohn hi
 
@DominicMichaelis Mathematica gives $\psi'(n+1)$
 
oh right its 1,n+1 not 0,n+1 sorry
 
For those enjoying Euclidean geometry, this question should be a nice exercise :).
 
@DominicMichaelis Try Sum[1/k^2, {k, n + 1, Infinity}] // TeXForm
 
9:51 AM
yeah i missread polygamma(1,n+1) its the first derivative of polygamma(n+1)
 
$\psi ^{(1)}(n+1)$
weird way to write the derivative
 
@robjohn: The Mathematica programmers had only finite time to implement heuristics for their TeXForm command. Therefore it is likely that any given expression generated by said command can be improved upon, semantically and/or syntactically; in fact, the gruesome syntax it produces nearly always puts me off using it.
Hm, I'm only now realising that it may be awkward to speak of the "semantics" of a TeX expression when I refer to the generated output :).
 
10:09 AM
As for the limit, we have for each $n \in \Bbb N$:
$$\int_{n+1}^\infty \frac1{x^2}\,\mathrm dx \le \sum_{k = n+1}^\infty \frac1{k^2}\le \int_n^\infty \frac1{x^2}\,\mathrm dx$$
Hence $\frac1{n+1} \le \sum\limits_{k=n+1}^\infty \frac1{k^2} \le \frac1n$. Squeeze, done.
 
@Lord_Farin good job! I think you deserve some upvotes. ;)
 
Thanks :).
 
Actually this is the $2$nd way I thought to use squeeze theorem but I didn't put things on paper. It looks great.
 
Yes the approach was inspired by some comments above.
 
10:17 AM
This one I encountered yesterday: $\sum\limits_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac1{n(9n^2-1)}$.
(I've already solved it btw.)
 
It looks like one of the Ramanujan series.
 
@Alexander: Did you carefully check the proofs of all that you invoke avoid appealing to Sylow's theorems? :)
 
@Lord_Farin You can prove Burnside's with just the class equation.
 
Lord Farin, your question reminds me a question that I solved entirely without calculus (some months ago) $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{(4n^3)-4n}=\frac{3}{4}\log 2 -\frac{1}{2}$. Maybe I can repet the story with the question above.
 
10:25 AM
@Alexander Just checking; all too often this is where short "highbrow" proofs derail.
 
@Lord_Farin :) absolutely. that's the fun part.
 
@Chris'ssister: That summand is ill-defined at $n = 1$.
 
@Lord_Farin my mistake. Sorry! It's $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{(4n)^3-4n}=\frac{3}{4}\log 2 -\frac{1}{2}$
 
I should open my eyes.
 
11:17 AM
woohoo no questions
 
Same here.
Fixed.
 
In the last 2 days I saw 2 or 3 very nice questions. One is math.stackexchange.com/questions/358957/…
 
The geometry problem I linked earlier today also was a nice gem amongst the homework trash.
Hm this "no questions bug" seems to be quite persistent today.
 
11:40 AM
I should have made a copy of it
 
It must have frozen or deleted due to inactivity.
 
Yep, after 7 days.
 
12:22 PM
I'm studying equidistribution today, anyone interested
what's the relation between how fast fourier coefficients decay and how smooth a function is?
$$\hat f(n) = \int_0^{2\pi} f(t) \exp(-2 \pi i n t) dt = \frac{1}{2 \pi i n} \int_0^{2\pi} f'(t) \exp(-2 \pi i n t) dt$$
integration by parts
is that ok?
so $|\hat f(n)| \le \frac{1}{n^k} \frac{1}{(2\pi)^k} || f^{(k)}||$ is how fast they decay when you have that many derivatives
hi ZFC
 
12:42 PM
Yo.
 
hows it going
 
I never know what to answer to that question. It's too hard.
 
your mathematics?
 
No, your question.
 
oh
I hope you are ok
 
12:45 PM
I am.
 
hi @amWhy
 
@Lord_Farin are you around? I took a look over more of your answers and I saw much power in them. May I ask you if you're a teacher?
 
@Chris'ssister You're lucky. I was just checking here for a moment.
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals, Robjohn showed me a cool limit yesterday
 
@caveman Which one?
 
12:56 PM
@Chris'ssisterandpals I thank you for that compliment! I did no more than TA on a few courses.
 
Teaching Assistant.
Helping students out with their exercise class.
 
I see. I'm only self-educated. I like your answers.
 
I cant find it
 
But I have to admit that the written word is by far my most proficient way of communication.
Thanks again!
 
12:57 PM
It was something like d/dx n x^(1/n - 1)
because I was wondering how d/dx x^n never equals 1/x
it was a strange limit form of log
 
It was posted yesterday? I'm going to look for it.
 
I searched the whole log
 
I just came over a very weird limit math.stackexchange.com/questions/359863/…. Have you seen this?
 
found it
 
1:01 PM
21 hours ago, by robjohn
So consider $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}n\left(x^{1/n}-1\right)$
21 hours ago, by robjohn
I have used that as a substitution for log in some integrals with good result :-)
 
Yeah, I know that substitution trick.
 
that one you posted is unlike anything I've seen
 
@caveman it looks like a limit that would scare even people from Harvard university :-)
 
yeah!
@Chris'ssisterandpals, do you know Fourier analysis?
unrelated to your limit
 
@caveman Just a very very tiny bit. Actually, my knowledge in terms of calculus tends to $0$.
 
1:06 PM
lol that's not true
 
@caveman Yes, it's true. Look at robjohn's answers or sos440's answers and so on.
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals, do you know where I can learn to do integrals like you guys
 
@caveman what does AoPS stand for?
 
maybe I should start reading the AoPS integral section
 
@caveman: There is only the harsh school of practice after you cover the theory :)
 
1:10 PM
@Lord_Farin, yeah that's what I'm seeing - the art of actually doing it is very different from knowing a bit of theory
@Chris'ssisterandpals, its a list of math competition problems
 
AoPS is an acronym for Art of Problem Solving.
 
@Lord_Farin I'd really like to master the art of solving problems. :-)
 
@caveman Hello - I missed your "ping"! Just woke up (and woke up my pc) a little while ago... ;-)
 
good morning!
 
1:13 PM
You could follow Feynman's advice and solve every problem that has been solved :-)
 
Interesting, I have 1234 answers and 44,044 rep...If it were 12345 answers and 44,444 rep - that would be really amazing!
 
Just managed to get through a single side of a page of my notes.. took 56 mins
 
Having an appointment presently; I'll be back in a bit.
 
@caveman Good for you; studying?
 
later
 
1:15 PM
yeah
 
@caveman: That's when the real notes are discerned :)
 
doing revision
 
Bye.
 
bye
 
@skullpatrol I missed your ping when I took a peek (woke up computer) in the middle of my night!
@skullpatrol So, belated "hello"!
 
1:16 PM
Hi
 
pen
@skullpatrol Hi!
 
Yo
@pen nice $\lambda$
 
pen
@skullpatrol Thanks.
 
For some reason the way fourier series handles jump discontinuities is really amazing
the gibbs stuff, and dirichlet's 1/2 theorem etc
I've not read the proof of those just know of them
 
@J.M. I LOVE your avatar!!
 
1:30 PM
@amWhy Thanks, I love Goldberg polyhedra. :)
 
@J.M. I didn't realize you were/are a moderator on Mathematica.se!
 
For quite a while now, yes.
 
@J.M. I can see...I love them too, and I love blue ;-)
 
I was considering bigger ones, but then the pentagons would be too hard to see...
 
@J.M. Have you considered moderating on math.se? You'd be excellent, as I sure you are with mathematica
 
1:32 PM
@amWhy (looks at current question volume/influx rate) I'm not terribly sure.
 
btw, as a moderator one is paid? If not I wonder what is the benefit of being moderator.
 
@J.M. I'm thinking of creating an account with mathematica...I have the software, but alas, have not taken advantage of even a mere one percent of its power.
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals Not a single cent.
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals HAAA! Are you kidding? NO...all that work, no pay!
 
@amWhy I didn't know these details.
 
1:33 PM
@amWhy You should, we're starting to have a dearth of interesting questions lately.
 
@J.M. My questions would be "newbie" questions...It would be awhile before I could answer anything!
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals You could properly ask "what's wrong with your head?!" about being a mod... it's a lot of janitorial work. At least, at mathematica.SE, the volume is more manageable.
@amWhy S'okay, the nice questions generate a lot of fine answers.
 
@J.M. Any tips I should know about the ins and outs of the site? Of course, I should read the FAQ...and search. But is it generally "friendly" and patient with new users?
 
Wow $\bigstar$ 12 JASPER LOY - apr 9 at 11:41 by Charlie â–¼
 
@amWhy We are, all that we ask is that you've shown your work and searched around. In short, just like in here... ;)
 
1:38 PM
Perhaps the volume of the questions in the future will be really huge. I wonder if MSE has a plan to deal with a huge volume of questions.
 
@skullpatrol Has Jasper appeared in chat at all? I saw is avatar lurking in the background late on the 9th, or maybe it was the 10th, AFTER he deleted.
 
@amWhy No.
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals I'd say that now, we can actually afford to be more choosy with questions....
 
@amWhy i saw him too we just got insane sorry bro :(
 
1:41 PM
@DominicMichaelis Okay...I'm glad I wasn't imagining it!
@DominicMichaelis I do sort of understand...I need to detach a bit from math.se. But I'm hoping I can do so short of account deletion.
 
sometimes i am so stupid i was proving the equivalent definition of normal subgroups and I wonder why when $xg=gh$ then $xg=h' g$
 
I dont understand how you're just studying EVERYTHING @DominicMichaelis
 
@amwhy my holidays end tomorrow :( I think I will have to shorten my acitivities too
 
@caveman But you're studying a wide range, too, sort of?
 
yeah
 
1:44 PM
@caveman I have attention deficit hyperactivity disorders i have to do at least 3 or 4 things the same time, which means actually i don't do anything right at all, which makes me kind of slow in everything :(
 
oh that sucks
 
is there therapy?
 
I think ADHD is chemical not psychological
 
@caveman You mean, a neurotransmitter imbalance? That's the currently accepted theory.
 
@skullpatrol There are some forms of behavioral therapy, and techniques to help one deal with the distractions, etc.
 
1:48 PM
they don't know much of anything about the brain
 
i get both medicaments and a therapy
 
10%
 
@J.M. There's a mix of therapies/theories...it's one of those disorders in which there are a number of factors that can have a bearing...
 
@amWhy Yes, multifactorial. That's why I think stimulant treatments are a bit misguided.
I don't quite think it's entirely due to neurotransmitter craziness.
 
I certainly don't like the idea of giving medication to such young children like they do now
 
1:51 PM
@J.M. I think they can be misguided, absolutely. And some believe it's overdiagnosed, not taking into account the impact that our technologically complicated world has had on humans.
 
90% of what goes on in the brain is unknown
 
@amwhy yeah I think so pretty the same
 
Not that there aren't some who REALLY do need help, for which the diagnosis is appropriate...but some find it easier, with children, to deal with restless and bored children by medicating them...
 
@amWhy That, too. Tech proceeds way faster than Nature can adapt. That can leave not a few people in the lurch.
 
what i always wonder if i actually cheat, cause some studetns try to dope them selves with ritalin (which is REALLY a BAD idea)
 
1:54 PM
@amWhy "some find it easier, with children, to deal with restless and bored children by medicating them." - yes, laziness is one of the problems. Also, the docs can earn more just passing out amphetamines left and right.
@DominicMichaelis The "buzz" of Ritalin is a bit different from amphetamines proper, but the overall chemical effect on the body is the same, so...
 
they are looking for a black cat in a lightless room
 
@DominicMichaelis have you ever taken ritalin? I think is recommended to ADHD.
 
In my notes I have this big long proof and at the end it says: [this is wrong]
well.. this is going to be fun..........
 
I do wonder if Erdős would have touched Ritalin. I mean, it was well and available already during his time.
 
I think Ritalin affects people with and without ADHD differently
 
1:57 PM
@J.M. actually methylphenidate has a paradox effect (i hope it is the right word) for guys with ADHD it helps concentrating but for healthy it affects not to be able to concentrate
 
it calms ADHD people but makes non ADHD feel anxious and edgy
 
@caveman Well, that would be due to the difference is neurotransmitter balances (in theory).
@DominicMichaelis That's true. Most of the other stimulants actually display the same paradox. As to why meth is not being given to kids, since it's cheaper... >:)
 
Erdos himself said that he didn't want to be seen as a role model, at least regarding the drug use
 
@J.M. to be honest I think most of those easy medicine theory is like trying to approximate Dirichlet's function with Taylor's theorem ...
2
 
Hahaha
 
1:59 PM
stay away from drugs
2
 
@DominicMichaelis Yes, that's a good analogy. :) Our understanding of the human body now in the 21st century is only slightly better, but still piss-poor.
 
10%
 
It doesn't help that most of medical education these days is more "follow the diagnostic flowchart", without allowing most to think about why they do what they do.
 
"For they are like a breath of air; their days are like a passing shadow." - Psalm 144:4
Life is full of mistery and will remain that way for ever.
 
I think most people don't appreciate that the human body is a complicated dynamical system. Mathematicians now understand that with a lot of dynamical systems, a tiny change in the initial conditions can lead to wildly different behavior. The medics, on the other hand, persist with their shotguns.
 
2:04 PM
Use the 90% of your brain that they know nothing about to cure yourself
 
lol
 
@skull on my estimates 90 % of humanity misses 100% of their brains ;)
 
@DominicMichaelis Indeed.
Believe in yourself.
 
@DominicMichaelis this might be true, but I think one of the problems is the major part of people don't believe in themselves, but they have a great potential.
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals Also a possibility. There's also the bit where people are afraid to take risks and make mistakes.
 
2:14 PM
Doesn't everyone fear making mistakes?
 
I"m having trouble fixing this proof
 
humans make mistakes
 
@user1 Sometimes, the only way to get things done is to gamble...
 
@J.M. I think it is the reaction to fear which matters, not the existence of fear.
 
2:17 PM
:-)
 
Hmm, there is that distinction, too. :)
Okay, to amend: people let their fear of making mistakes paralyze them instead of letting it push them.
 
on that note, if you do screw up like fail your university course for example what are the options?
 
try again
if at first you don't succeed
IMO
The other option would be to quit.
 
Hello all.
 
hi
 
2:25 PM
hi
 
You can also look back and see what exactly you failed at. If it is easily fixed, then try again. If it is, say, a prerequisite which you do not know, then there is no point in trying again until you resolve that dependency.
 
Precisely right. You'll want to not do once more everything that was all wrong in the previous attempt.
 
In short, learn from your mistakes.
 
so you're saying just apply and try again
 
Take some time to look at the "big picture" first.
 
2:31 PM
Well, up to a point.
 
This discussion makes me think of the success ingredients in life. I spent some time thinking of this subject.
 
Sometimes, you just reach the point where "trying again" is too costly in terms of time/money/whatever.
 
buncha self-help authors in here this morning
2
 
@caveman This hugely depends on what effort you put in. Did you try everything, work hard, etc., or did you just freewheel along until a week before the exam? Also, looking at your corrected work can greatly help in understanding your thought processes and common mistakes. This has helped me do better on many exams (not just those which I failed).
 
@anon Well, Link just kept trying again until he got to his princess, no? ;)
 
2:33 PM
I see how it is. :)
 
@Lord_Farin, I'm working as hard as I can
 
@caveman "hard work" opens all gates.
 
@anon Better than math, amirite?
 
@Chris'ssisterandpals, yeah - I heard this and it's motivating but I have trouble imagining what I will get from it (other than knowing a bunch of difficult math) if I don't pass my exams
I asked one of the staff at uni and he just said dont worry about it like .. I think they don't care about failures
so I am a bit worried
 
Remember the question Jasper asked just before he left?
 
2:38 PM
I don't know what's outside of university other than working in a supermarket which I dont want to do
 
How has MSE enriched your life?

Ask yourself how has Mathematics enriched your life?
 
@caveman: Having learned a good amount about a certain research area will both enable you to delve in deeper and to connect your new experience with other fields. This can greatly enhance the big picture.
 
@caveman I know the feeling. My current job is in no way related to my degree...
 
And if all that fails, you still have a commendable work attitude.
 
@Lord_Farin, doing math research even if I fail?
I dont actually know how ridiculous that is on a scale of 1 to 10
 
2:39 PM
I didn't imply doing research. I just like to throw in synonyms so that I sound eloquent :).
Like how calculus leads to multivar calculus.
 
And you do sound eloquent :-)
 
Differential geometry, etc. etc.
@skull: Thanks.
 
@caveman: you don't seem to have the profile of someone that fails doing things. (I know a bit of psychology and I talked to you many times to figure it out). ;)
 
this is frustrating, I correct my "wrong" proof from 1/delta^2 to 1/delta.. but the next page uses 1/delta^2
 
But I admit it's possible I'm wrong. ;)
 
2:41 PM
@caveman I dropped in mid-way... Is it an assignment? What course?
 
@caveman "next page": is this a book, or your prof's notes?
 
it's my own notes
just going over all the theorems I think I might get asked to prove in an exam
 
So, retracing your own steps?
 
@caveman: What is the result it is a proof of? Don't leave us hanging :).
It's often more useful to retain the proof strategy than to memorize all steps; the former may easily be adapted to different circumstances.
 
2:56 PM
@Lord_Farin, Van Der Corput's lemma
 
@caveman Thanks; don't know that one though (and the Wikipedia lemma doesn't make a bell ring either).
I'll contemplate it for a bit.
 
It's about how if a sequence is equidistributed then so are its finite differences
 
@caveman: This one?
 
yeah
 
3:13 PM
 
3:25 PM
Good day everybody!
 
hello
 
@caveman hi
I have a question on defintion of derivative $\partial_X Y$ of vector field $Y$ in direction of tangent vector $X$. I was told that it is linear only with respect to $X$, but then I think that I don't understand definition
 
I think $\partial_X (\alpha A+\beta B) = \alpha \partial_X A + \beta \partial_X B$
 
@caveman Yes, I think so too!
 
IIRC $\partial_{\lambda X} = \lambda^{-1} \partial_X$.
 
3:30 PM
Hi @HonkyHanka
 
@Lord_Farin why $\lambda^{-1}$? is it the same that Lie derivative given in wiki? then $\partial_X Y =[X,Y]$ and I expect bilinearity...
 
Let me think for a second.
 
that looks weird to me
 
What is $\partial_X Y$ for vector field $Y$ on surface in $3d$ and for some tangent vector $X$? Is it a limit of increment of $Y$ "in direction X" divided by increment of something other?
 
3:48 PM
@Lord_Farin Are you moving with nearly light speed? :D
 
I am going to have to ask you the definition of $\partial_X Y$ because none of the ways I recall from differential geometry are applicable.
(I should add that I stopped doing DG because my intuition for it is a bit lacking, but this sounds like I should be able to recall it.)
Did you introduce vector fields algebraically or as sections of the tangent bundle?
 
as sections of vector bundles
but for surfaces in $\mathbb{R}^n$ it doesn't matter, some vector-valued smooth function of points on my surface such that vector in point $x$ is tangent to my surface.
 
Indeed, a smooth section of the tangent bundle then.
 
aha
@Lord_Farin the point is I think I don't know how to define it for surfaces in $\mathbb{R}^n$, all definitions seems very abstract, inintuitive
 
In general it is, at least until you get the grips of it (and even then there's sometimes no way around it), advisable to work in local coordinates.
 
3:57 PM
I'm working on: Prove that $l\in(1,1.4)$, where $\displaystyle l=\sum_{k=2}^{\infty}\frac{1}{k (k!)^{1/k}}$. I couldn't find a nice way to prove the upper bound.
 
@Nimza: I'm not sure that this is the right definition, but at least it makes sense:
 
@Lord_Farin and if, say, I have local representation of my surface by radius-vector $r(u_1,\ldots,u_k)$ and $X(u) = \frac{\partial r}{\partial u_1}$, $Y(u)$ is some arbitrary vector field, do you know how to compute it by hands? Should I compute some increment of $Y(u)$?
@Lord_Farin aha?
 
Wait a second. All of a sudden $X$ changed from a tangent vector to a vector field.
For a tangent vector $X$, one could compute $DY(X)$, since $DY: TM \to T^2M = TM$ can take $X$ as an input.
Perhaps it should be $D_XY(X)$; I'm really not sure, sorry.
 
Thank you, I'm thinking about it now
 
So is $X$ a tangent vector or a vector field?
 
4:04 PM
vector
 
Ok so we have $X \in T_pM$ for some $p \in M$.
 
right, but existence of $T^2 M$ here kills all my intuition
 
Well, $TM$ is always "some $\Bbb R^n$" but without choosing coordinates. $TTM = TM$ always, because we can obviously make a path in $TM$ that has any vector in $TM$ as its tangent at zero.
 
good, one second, I'm working with my intuition now
 
Hey there all. Has this ever happened to any of you: someone going through old solutions you post, upvoting them, and then, some seconds later, removing the upvote? Sounds like a trifle, but it is infuriating while I am watching.
 
4:16 PM
haven't heard of that before
 
@Lord_Farin yes! very good! So if we have local parametrisation $r = r(u_1,\ldots,u_k)$, $Y(u)$ is a tangent vector field and $X$ is a tangent vector then by definition $\partial_X Y = \frac{\partial Y_i}{\partial u_j} X$, right?
 
@RonGordon Do you know MIKA?
 
here it is multiplication of matrix of derivatives on vector $X$
 
@Nimza Yes. This will agree with my purported definition if I'm not horribly mistaken.
 
@Lord_Farin no, sizes of matrices don't agree(
 
4:19 PM
@PeterTamaroff: no, I'm afraid not
 
@PeterTamaroff: thanks for trying, but no, doesn't help with stress levels. Maybe I'm on edge because I crashed my car last night.
 
@RonGordon Oh, noes. Did you get hurt?
 
@Nimza I have a feeling that I'm scratching the surface on this... very annoying.
 
@PeterTamaroff: no, but the car is wrecked. All things considered, that's the best that could have happened, besides no crash.
 
4:23 PM
@RonGordon Glad you're ok :).
 
@RonGordon, oh my goodness
It's good that it's over and you're ok
 
@RonGordon Hmm. I'd be happy if I were you. I know a woman that was crashed in a street cross. Besides here car being wrecked, she is taking physical rehab. It sucks ass.
 
Another user here was hit by a car recently
 
@caveman Really?
 
awllower
 
4:28 PM
Hello hi @peter , hi @Lord , hi @anon
 
Hi @Charlie.
 
@Lord_Farin how are you? I'm fine
 
Fine. Trying to help out @Nimza with a question about differential geometry.
Apparently it has all evaporated from my mind at a shocking pace.
 
Fascinating
 
@Nimza, are you still there? I think I've found it using the algebraic approach:
 
4:33 PM
@Lord_Farin how?
 
$$\partial_X V(f) = \sum_{i=1}^m X(V^i) \frac{\partial f}{\partial x_i}(p)$$
in local coordinates.
Where we now view $X \in T_pM$ as a functional on smooth functions $f$, via: $$X(f) := D_pf(X)$$
Similarly, one defines for the vector field $V$: $$V(f) := \sum_{i=1}^m V^i(p) \frac{\partial f}{\partial x_i}(p)$$
 
@Lord_Farin oh, yes, this seems intuitive, $i$-th coordinate of new vector is a directional derivative of $i$-th component of $V$ in direction $X$, just as we have in mathematical analysis for vectors-valued functions on $\mathbb{R}^n$
 
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I wish Brian M. was here right now.
 
@pen Why? Do you have a question?
 
@Lord_Farin Great thanks. But it is bilinear, right?
 
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@PeterTamaroff Not about math; just M.SE and life.
 

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