Mathematics - 2012-07-23 (page 4 of 6)

About donor organs: they only use donor organs from people that "got insufficient live function" from external trauma right (and not systemic disease)?

@JasperLoy In what way is it me?

user19161

@DavidWheeler That statement sounds suspicious, given that I am a self-proclaimed pseudoexpert.

David Wheeler

@FrankScience i'll need time to look it up

user19161

@JonasTeuwen It is you in that the remnants get transferred. Imagine a drop of water transferred from one bottle to another. You can say it is the same drop of water, or you can say that there is no difference in the bottles. All are water droplets.

Jonas Teuwen

2:13 PM

@JasperLoy Mm...

Peter Tamaroff

@MattN. Not really. Coffee can cause arithmia and stuff.

user19161

@JonasTeuwen That is to say, there is no real self because self is just a collection of changing elements dependent on external factors. In this sense, the self does not exist.

Jonas Teuwen

It can cause arithmia but if you take low amounts it should be okay.

@JasperLoy That is too hard for me.

user19161

@PeterTamaroff Oh noes, I have taken over 9000 l of coffee.

user19161

@JonasTeuwen Anyway, let's just try to make this life good, you and me.

Jonas Teuwen

2:15 PM

@JasperLoy Yep. So, when you are dead and I was mistaken that there is nothing, I can at least tell to whatever there is "I did my best bro, now let me in. I want to eat with golden spoons!".

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy I also take quite the amount of coffee.

But well....

Gustavo Bandeira

@J.M. ikr?

user19161

@JonasTeuwen I am not sure how long more I can hang in there, but I do hope I recover by the end of next year.

Frank Science

@DavidWheeler Take it easy. Incidentally, what's your faith?

David Wheeler

In one famous encounter recorded in the Pali texts, a monk confronted the Buddha with a barrage of questions -- Was the world eternal or not eternal? Was the soul different from the body? Did the enlightened exist after death or not? -- and declared that if the Buddha did not answer his questions he would leave the sangha.

The Buddha replied that the monk was like a man wounded with a poison arrow who would not allow the arrow to be removed until he knew the name of the archer, what sort of bow he used, and exactly how the arrow had been made. The wounded man would die while waiting for th…

user19161

2:18 PM

@PeterTamaroff I prefer tea to coffee actually.

user19161

@DavidWheeler Ah yes, I read that too but not quite what you said.

Jonas Teuwen

I'm going out for some coffee.

Frank Science

@DavidWheeler From that, what are you concluding?

user19161

@FrankScience He's just telling you why he said what he said I guess.

user19161

@JonasTeuwen OK, have a good one!

Gigili

2:23 PM

Note that he surely cannot be serious.

David Wheeler

i believe there is something called the "ten indeterminate questions"

stop calling me shirley!

user19161

Or Sirius!

David Wheeler

in some commentary or another (gosh, there's a lot of them) it goes on to say that dwelling on such subjects was expressly forbidden by the buddha...again, i'd have to look up which one

Frank Science

Ok.

Mats Granvik

I wonder if I have expressed this correctly in the edit to my question:

$$\displaystyle X_t = \frac{1}{length(x)} \sum\limits_{x=0}^{x=\log(scale-1)} (e^{x})^{-1/2 + i t} \cdot (f(\lfloor e^{x}\rfloor)-e^{x})) \cdot (-1/2 + i t)$$

David Wheeler

2:26 PM

the point being our focus should be on here. now. this very breath.

Frank Science

When I talk about religion without direct reference, I will use in my opinion.

user19161

@DavidWheeler I don't think it is forbidden to think about them. There are just no expressible answers to some questions which is why he did not answer when questioned. Also, there are some questions which one might go crazy if one ponders on them for too long.

David Wheeler

and if you want to believe i am dead wrong, i'm OK with that :)

Bill Dubuque

It seems that chat has meandered from irrational to transcendental.

Zhen Lin

Ecclesiastes 3:22 "Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?"

user19161

2:29 PM

@FrankScience Almost everything we say is "in my opinion" of course. Two people may read the same text and interpret them differently.

J. M.

@BillDubuque It always veers between the two...

Bill Dubuque

@J.M. And soon surreal no doubt...

David Wheeler

@JasperLoy but not just crazy from "the unaswerability" but also distracted from what is right here in front of us.

user19161

@ZhenLin Are you Christian by the way?

Gigili

@BillDubuque Are you going to close us as NRU?

Zhen Lin

2:30 PM

Nope

J. M.

@BillDubuque We're not far away from that route, too.

David Wheeler

Ecclesiastes is one of the best-written books in the Bible

user19161

@DavidWheeler Yes, what is right here in front of us is to remove suffering, but to do that we need to understand the bigger picture sometimes, eg cycle of birth and rebirth.

Frank Science

@DavidWheeler In my opinion, buddha is saying that, practice is more important than argument.

David Wheeler

"this, too, is emptiness, and chasing after wind"

Frank Science

2:32 PM

@JasperLoy @DavidWheeler and arguing about buddhism all the time cannot make sense.

David Wheeler

well the notion of Kalachakra, the great wheel of time, was already an established mode of thought in the time of the buddha

user19161

As usual, all religious texts must be read and interpreted in the context of the remainder of texts.

Bill Dubuque

@J.M. I wonder if on philisophy chat they talk about transcendental numbers? Perhaps there is a DNS error and the chats got swapped....(wouldn't that be a hilarious hack)

user19161

@FrankScience Arguing? Who's arguing now?

David Wheeler

i thought we were having a lively discussion. nothing more.

robjohn

2:33 PM

@BillDubuque they use them for meditation

J. M.

@BillDubuque Ah, that I think is less likely...

user19161

@BillDubuque Perhaps. But I can tell you that on ELU chat all things are discussed.

Frank Science

@JasperLoy theoretically discussing.

J. M.

@BillDubuque Even during the time of Asaf, people here talked about the craziest topics...

user19161

@J.M. The time of Asaf? LOL. That sounds like a history text.

user19161

2:34 PM

In the time of Emperor Asaf, 300 BC, ...

David Wheeler

and lo, there was Asaf. and Asaf begat robjohn, and...

J. M.

@JasperLoy BA, man. BA.

robjohn

@J.M. are you saying that chat is crazier these days?

Bill Dubuque

@robjohn Surreal!

user19161

@robjohn I am not sure about this chat cos I was not exactly here in the time of Asaf. :-)

robjohn

2:36 PM

@BillDubuque Definitely not rational.

David Wheeler

my own personal beliefs, i keep a well-guarded secret. not even my girlfriend knows.

J. M.

@robjohn No, it's actually less nuts now that Asaf has left... :|

Frank Science

@DavidWheeler It's okay.

user19161

I don't really have any secrets though, only pseudosecrets.

Bill Dubuque

@robjohn We need to have a banner indicating the state of the chat discussion ... rational, irrational, transcendental, surreal ... inaccessible ....

J. M.

2:37 PM

@BillDubuque ...imaginary, complex.

Zhen Lin

... paraconsistent ...

David Wheeler

we're pushing for strongly inaccessible t'day....

Frank Science

@JasperLoy So much for religon. Now go back to mathematics.

user19161

@DavidWheeler One's belief also changes over time, and are not well-defined.

user19161

@FrankScience Religion might be a dirty word to some people. I would call Buddhism "truth".

J. M.

2:38 PM

@FrankScience Some people conflate the two, though.

Matt N.

@PeterTamaroff I think it makes people live longer. In any case: no puedo vivir sin café : )

David Wheeler

i checked...my beliefs only depend on the equivalence class, and not the individual representative...

Gigili

Ugh, random lines are starred today.

2

Frank Science

@JasperLoy truth?

user19161

@FrankScience Yes, in the sense of "zhen li".

Frank Science

2:39 PM

@JasperLoy That will make Christian or Muslim angry.

Zhen Lin

oh, is that why people misspell my name...

user19161

@FrankScience No, they can't be truly angry, because most of them don't know what Buddha truly taught.

Peter Tamaroff

@MattN. Oh my god... that lists makes me... immortal!

robjohn

@BillDubuque my answer about $10^{3^n}-1$ that was downvoted got accepted this morning

Matt N.

@PeterTamaroff : D

David Wheeler

2:40 PM

oh, we're all just like the blind men and the elephant. the truth is like a rope. i know...cuz i'm holding the trunk.

Bill Dubuque

@J.M. I'll join your imaginary discussion as soon as I learn enough braid theory to finish weaving this complex basket.

Matt N.

Heh, what? So you also drink coffee?

Frank Science

@JasperLoy They think we don't know what God truly taught.

Bill Dubuque

@robjohn The mind boggles...hopefully the OP wasn't the downvoter!

user19161

@BillDubuque I prefer knots and links to braids. They are all handled by xypic though.

Frank Science

2:42 PM

@JasperLoy Is religion a neutral world?

J. M.

@BillDubuque Don't get too tangled in it, though.

robjohn

@BillDubuque That would be inaccessible

user19161

@FrankScience Well, linguistically I think it just means a system of beliefs, so yes it is neutral. But you know how some people like to think that they know science and religion is irrational? Well, those people don't know what they're saying sometimes.

Bill Dubuque

@robjohn I wonder if it is possible to search the DB for posts that were both downvoted and accepted by the asker? Any such occurrences would surely merit a split-personality badge or somesuch.

Frank Science

@JasperLoy Is it considered irrational in western country?

David Wheeler

2:44 PM

here are my final thoughts on religion: i don't think the mona lisa is a bad painting just because it doesn't look like angelina jolie

user19161

@FrankScience First I live in Asia, and second, there are all kinds of people in all countries.

Old John

@DavidWheeler profound

robjohn

@BillDubuque vote casters are not recorded in the database, at least not that I can access.

David Wheeler

@OldJohn omg, you get me, you really get me

user19161

@DavidWheeler Not that I don't get the possible interpretations of that, but sometimes there are so many that one cannot get which it is.

robjohn

2:46 PM

@BillDubuque That would be an interesting badge :-D

schizo badge

Frank Science

@JasperLoy And you cannot change their thought.

user19161

BTW, have you guys explored data. stackexchange.com?

David Wheeler

whole sects of various sorts (in not just this one instance, but others, and in other faiths, too) have hinged upon the interpretation of a sacred text

robjohn

@JasperLoy that is what I was talking about in regards to votes

Frank Science

@JasperLoy BTW, do you believe Mahayana?

Matt N.

2:47 PM

@J.M. Bah-zing.

user19161

@FrankScience My final transcendental thought for today is what the Buddha said: Question everything. Don't accept it because someone said so.

David Wheeler

as i am not selling anything, you're welcome not to buy it

Matt N.

My head's switched off. I hate it when it won't obey.

David Wheeler

my own experience has led me to believe that what i know is true from experience is true. but...i have not lived anyone else's life (to my knowledge) so my picture is....incomplete

user19161

@FrankScience Not really.

Frank Science

2:49 PM

@JasperLoy Ok.

user19161

@FrankScience But there are god realms even in Theravada.

David Wheeler

that's what's so cool about all y'all, you lived lives i never will

user19161

@MattN. Just have a break and try to switch it on later.

David Wheeler

mmm...french roast brewing in the kitchen...lovely

J. M.

@DavidWheeler I'm totally stealing that...

Frank Science

2:51 PM

@JasperLoy But they are not the same thing.

user19161

@FrankScience Well, there isn't really any conradiction. The axioms are compatible.

David Wheeler

@BillDubuque i'm more than happy to discuss math, here. i warn you, i'm a complete idiot. but, hey, let's go. you first.

Frank Science

@JasperLoy They cannot change the causality.

Bill Dubuque

@robjohn I suppose the OP could rationally downvote then later accept, for suppose that at first he couldn't grok an answer, so downvotes it. Then later, perhaps guided by later answers, or some reflection, they are able to grok it, so they accept it. In this case I don't think they can remove the downvote unless the answer is edited. Or perhaps the SE software is smart enough to allow downvote reversal after acceptance? I wouldn't bet on that!

robjohn

@J.M.: I can't find the Mathematica room

Frank Science

2:53 PM

@JasperLoy Well, no trolling.

J. M.

@robjohn Odd. It's here if you need to go there.

user19161

@robjohn You can click on all rooms on the top right and then do a search, in general. So I am closing your question as General Ref!

J. M.

@BillDubuque Nah, the vote lock-in can only be undone by an edit, not by an acceptance.

robjohn

@BillDubuque That's possible. I was going to edit something and I don't remember if I did. If I do/did then they should be able to change their vote. I would also hope they would comment to that fact.

@JasperLoy That is where I was looking, and Mathematica did not show up.

user19161

@robjohn I think I know why. Because the filter must be set to "all" when searching.

Bill Dubuque

2:56 PM

@DavidWheeler I was just kidding ... usually I do most of my math on main so that it may benefit as many users as possible (which is why I always tell Peter: ask on main).

user19161

@BillDubuque Yes, I think chat should be reserved for questions that may not be a good fit there.

robjohn

@JasperLoy I will try that

Bill Dubuque

@J.M. Probably, but one would hope the SE designers would realize that an acceptance probably should reverse a downvote (or allow for such). That was my point. Perhaps we need an experiment .. a real one, not imaginary!

David Wheeler

but i am reluctant to ask really good questions on main...someone might up-vote them, and i could risk becoming a "trusted member"

very dangerous

user19161

@DavidWheeler Why is that dangerous? Though there was once a "trusted user" with 20k who was convited of sockpuppeting and suspended for three years.

robjohn

2:58 PM

@JasperLoy That was it! Thanks.

David Wheeler

sockpuppeting must not mean what i imagine it to mean.....

user19161

@robjohn Hehe, though I am the self-proclaimed chat expert, I only knew how to turn off pings recently...

Bill Dubuque

@DavidWheeler If you want to avoid upvotes do like I and use no words or else put in lots of links to generalizations.

David Wheeler

LOL!

user19161

@DavidWheeler Essentially he created accounts to upvote himself, and half of his answers are poor.

robjohn

3:00 PM

@JasperLoy The little speaker icon?

David Wheeler

i see that's been working reallly well for ya, Bill

user19161

@robjohn Yes. Sometimes the most obvious things are also the hardest to get.

user19161

@BillDubuque I am not an expert but I do think that you provide very good answers on many questions that deserve more upvotes.

David Wheeler

@JasperLoy yes, i gathered that was what was meant. the humor lies in what i possibly might have misconstrued it to mean.

user19161

@DavidWheeler Yes, I also thought about that interpretation, but just wanted to elaborate on the matter.

Bill Dubuque

3:02 PM

@DavidWheeler Yes, of course I'm kidding. But it is a rather poor side-effect of the SE design that, generally, the more insight one tries to impart, the fewer votes one gets.

David Wheeler

@JasperLoy not in mixed company. we have standards, sir.

Chuck Fernández

does stack exchange have sort of an email function?

Frank Science

Did anyone watch The Big Bang?

Chuck Fernández

Theory?

J. M.

@BillDubuque I mentioned this yesterday, that for rather specialized topics, the effort put into an answer is inversely proportional to the number of votes it gets.

David Wheeler

3:03 PM

when i read an answer that gives ME insight, i up-vote it.

J. M.

@ChuckFernández Why?

David Wheeler

unfortunately, Arturo doesn't really need the votes.

Chuck Fernández

he said something I wrote was wrong and I wanted to ask what part

user19161

@ChuckFernández I think there are various options where you can get notified by email for various things but I am not sure what things since I don't use them myself.

J. M.

@ChuckFernández Just comment...

Chuck Fernández

3:04 PM

i did but he hasnt ansewered

user19161

@ChuckFernández Just comment to him. Use the @ to ping if necessary.

Chuck Fernández

and the person is Gerry

user19161

For example I now ping you as @ChuckFernández

Chuck Fernández

no spaces?

user19161

The ping works in chat and on the main site as well.

user19161

3:06 PM

Use the tab complete. Type in the first letter and you will see options then use tab and enter.

user19161

Or use the first three letters of the name like @chu.

David Wheeler

@ChuckFernández correct, no spaces

Chuck Fernández

ty

J. M.

@ChuckFernández Some patience is needed, sometimes.

user19161

Also, sometimes a person just does not respond for any one of over 9000 reasons.

user19161

3:08 PM

For example, maybe he is having a heart attack.

David Wheeler

perhaps, at this very moment, "Gerry" is sound asleep, dreaming of unicorns. or not.

user19161

So you cannot expect people to respond as much as in real life.

David Wheeler

@JasperLoy that gives over 8,998 to go, yes...? gonna be a long day

user19161

@DavidWheeler That number is a palindrome.

Frank Science

palindromic

David Wheeler

3:10 PM

wow

Chuck Fernández

capicua number

user19161

palindrome is the noun, palindromic is the adjective @frank

Frank Science

@JasperLoy I know.

David Wheeler

sometimes i think you don't appreciate the years of thought i put into every response. sniff

user19161

I guess we are all numerologists of sorts who observe patterns everywhere.

David Wheeler

3:11 PM

ah, this coffee is especially fine, this morning. the first cup, of the first pot, of a fresh bag o' beans.

user19161

Reputation points are particularly prone to such observations.

Zhen Lin

The human mind has indeed nothing better to do. It is the only way we can make sense of the world!

J. M.

(I have to stare a bit to differentiate between Jas and Zhen...)

Zhen Lin

It's a completely different blue!

David Wheeler

or you could take the limit of the quotient as...oh never mind

user19161

3:13 PM

There ia a white square on SE, namely, N.N. I saw a black square somewhere before too.

user19161

There is also a purple square, namely, Carlo_R. However, I am the only blue square.

user19161

And rob is the mean square of course.

David Wheeler

i have named my gravatar D4. perhaps i should change my user name to that, as well.

user19161

@DavidWheeler I like D24 durians, the king of durians.

J. M.

@ZhenLin Yes, I have to stare to catch the different shade... :D

David Wheeler

3:16 PM

oh, those are those fruits that smell funny, right?

Zhen Lin

"Smell funny" is an ... interesting way of putting it.

user19161

@DavidWheeler Yes, to the Caucasians I guess. But trust me, they taste good.

Gigili

D4? David Da Dermatologist Driver.

user19161

You know what smells terrible? Fermented beancurd.

David Wheeler

from Wikipedia: its odor is best described as pig-shit, turpentine and onions, garnished with a gym sock.

user19161

3:17 PM

@DavidWheeler I think that description is wrong.

user19161

@DavidWheeler In fact, it feels like it is written by a troll.

David Wheeler

also from Wikipedia: Its taste can only be described as...indescribable, something you will either love or despise

Zhen Lin

In other words, polarising.

user19161

I like The Polar Express.

Zhen Lin

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Singapore_MRT_Fines.jpg/471px-Singapore_MRT_Fines.jpg
So, the punishment for bringing a durian onto the MRT is so harsh that it is unprintable?

Gigili

3:19 PM

Derivative Dominant Detergent David.

J. M.

@DavidWheeler Rather uncharitable... :D

Gigili

Dummer Ding Dang Doong.

user19161

@gigili WHy did you not meet Mahnax that day?

David Wheeler

good, you used 2 "O"'s

J. M.

@DavidWheeler Yes, the fruit that you can whack people with if you're really pissed off...

David Wheeler

3:20 PM

so many people get that wrong.....

Eugene

@ZhenLin lol

David Wheeler

but...detergent? seriously? and i thought we were friends....

user19161

@Eugene Well, chewing gum is worse.

Zhen Lin

@JM Surely, a coconut is more appropriate for this purpose, given that it is known to have killed people...

Gigili

@JasperLoy He was busy, how it is relevant to current subject of the room?

Eugene

3:22 PM

@JasperLoy really? i've seen singaporeans chew gum. i thought the rules were relaxed already?

J. M.

@ZhenLin Well, the coconut isn't as spiky as the durian...

user19161

@Gigili No relevance at all.

J. M.

@Eugene within their country?

Eugene

@J.M. yeah

user19161

@Eugene I think you can't buy it here.

J. M.

3:22 PM

@ZhenLin but I suppose it's easier to handle.

Gigili

@JasperLoy Good for you.

Eugene

@JasperLoy yes but if you happen to have some in your pocket coming from jb

David Wheeler

in the spirit of Paul Cohen, we are showing our conversation is consistent with the current topic of the room, and also consistent with not-the topic of this room

user19161

@Eugene Yes, I come from Justin Bieber.

Zhen Lin

"In Malaysia and Singapore, most consumers prefer the fruit to be as ripe and pungent in aroma as possible and may even risk allowing the fruit to continue ripening after its husk has already cracked open. In this state, the flesh becomes richly creamy, slightly alcoholic, the aroma pronounced and the flavour highly complex."

It sounds rather more sophisticated than I imagined...

Ragib Zaman

3:24 PM

Jasper comes from Justin Bieber??

Eugene

@ZhenLin i'm not a fan of durians but i tried a good one the last time i went home

Ragib Zaman

KILL IT, KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Eugene

something musang

user19161

@ZhenLin I think that article is an exaggeration, the pig shit thing.

Zhen Lin

@JasperLoy That was a quote from a travel writer.

David Wheeler

3:25 PM

@JasperLoy well, its Wikipedia...edit it

user19161

@ZhenLin Clearly a nutcase.

Old John

Can it be as bad as the Swedish "delicacy" Surströmming?

user19161

@OldJohn Never tried. But I hate blue cheese.

Old John

@JasperLoy Surströmming is a sort of fermented fish sold in cans

so I guess you wouldn't like it :)

user19161

@OldJohn Oh, I guess it is like fermented beancurd then.

Old John

3:27 PM

@JasperLoy could be - yes

user19161

Yo @kan!

David Wheeler

it's gotta be better than the "bird relish" the eskimos put on muktuk

Kannappan Sampath

@JasperLoy Hi Jasper. :)

How are you doing?

Zhen Lin

@JM "A naturally spineless variety of durian growing wild in Davao, Philippines, was discovered in the 1960s" :o

Old John

@DavidWheeler Not sure - Wikipedia says "the smell of a newly opened can of surströmming is the most putrid smell of food in the world".

user19161

3:29 PM

@ZhenLin Spineless? I thought only people can be spineless!

user19161

@OldJohn No more pig shit this time!

David Wheeler

well that may be...but i have observed this "esikmo ice cream topping" first-hand

Ed Gorcenski

Surely it cannot be worse than Lutefisk.

Old John

@JasperLoy No - more like ammonia

David Wheeler

ah, lutefisk...in dragon age (a computer game) there is a character called ohgren (a dwarf)

Zhen Lin

3:31 PM

Ammonia? Good god...

Old John

I bought a can in Sweden once - opened it in the garden, took one small taste then binned the rest

David Wheeler

when one of the npcs remarks that his beard smells like fish...he says: "oh that, it's not ready for the salt, yet...another couple of days, maybe"

user19161

@ZhenLin That sounds so British! I guess you have been influenced.

Eugene

ugh... it's been so long since i've been on mse. what the heck is math again?

Zhen Lin

@Eugene It is the pursuit of truth, er, provable statements!

Old John

3:34 PM

@Eugene Just remember elliptic curves

David Wheeler

@Eugene depends on who you ask

user19161

@ZhenLin It is the pursuit of zhen li.

David Wheeler

@JasperLoy it is the Way, and its Power

user19161

@Eugene Math is an object that is not well-defined.

David Wheeler

the math that can be named is not the true math

user19161

3:36 PM

I think this chat has become complete nuts today...

Zhen Lin

名可名、非常名, eh...

Old John

@DavidWheeler Lao Tzu?

David Wheeler

@OldJohn it's like we're twins!

Eugene

@DavidWheeler erm so all math is no math?

David Wheeler

@Eugene "mu"

Old John

3:37 PM

@DavidWheeler scary thought ...

J. M.

@ZhenLin Oh, yes, that mutant caused some stir...

@OldJohn So, like an unwashed men's toilet stall?

Eugene

crap. i was supposed to edit my thesis...

Frank Science

You are discussing philosophy?

user19161

@Eugene When will you be done?

Old John

@J.M. referring surstromming? (I hope)

J. M.

3:39 PM

@JasperLoy You really haven't met Asaf...

David Wheeler

no we are actually discussing math. we are only "pretending" to be discussing philosophy

Eugene

@JasperLoy i'm done. i have to format the stupid thing though.

J. M.

@OldJohn Well, you said it smelled like ammonia...

Frank Science

Do you know phenomenology?

user19161

@J.M. Oh, I only knew he liked to drink, like Jonas!

Old John

3:40 PM

@J.M. Ah yes - vaguely like that

user19161

@Eugene Congrats!

Eugene

@JasperLoy thanks but i was done a month and a half ago...

user19161

@Eugene Some say the editing is worse than the writing.

Gigili

Where's HHW?

Frank Science

Noumenon

user19161

3:42 PM

@Gigili Henry?

user19161

I see you miss him.

Gigili

@JasperLoy Horton.

Eugene

@JasperLoy yes it is by FAR

Zhen Lin

Indeed. I basically didn't edit...

user19161

@Gigili OK, carry on missing him. I won't interrupt.

David Wheeler

3:42 PM

@FrankScience exactly

Frank Science

@JasperLoy In my opinion, Mahayana is opposed to the concept of thing-it-self.

or Noumenon

Gigili

@JasperLoy Put on your glasses to see everything better.

Eugene

well i'm off now. bye all.

Zhen Lin

bye!

Frank Science

bye!

David Wheeler

3:48 PM

which is perhaps an ontological dilemma for the buddhist platonistic mathematician

Gigili

The confusion is finally over. Now I can start being smart again!

Frank Science

@DavidWheeler I‘m searching for the reference.

David Wheeler

i could be mistaken, but i think there is some debate as to whether your assertion is correct

Jonas Teuwen

Coffee has been positioned into my stomach!

David Wheeler

these tend to center on what "the void" or "emptiness" actually is

if you take it at face value, all existence is "co-dependently originating"

Frank Science

3:55 PM

@DavidWheeler Maybe yes.

@DavidWheeler Unfortunately, I failed to find the english edition.

David Wheeler

but you can also say that "the void" is the noumenon, in the sense of Kant

the "One Mind", so to speak

Frank Science

Maybe this wiki

I failed to find the Hsuan Hua's translation.

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