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5:02 PM
 
Or she will run away because you're explaining something easy and hence she might get the idea that you think she's stupid!
By the way, how do you find that old message so fast?
 
@JonasTeuwen Oh, I substituted "explain" to "discuss". =)
@JonasTeuwen If you remember the keywords, it is relatively simple.
 
Okay, right.
 
Heh, go "here".
There's a search bar at the upper right of the interface. ;)
 
5:05 PM
@JonasTeuwen Good evening, Jonas
 
@JM Oh boy. I keep making a fool of myself. They should consider removing all short-cuts. =)
 
Good evening :-).
 
Good thing about it: the search opens in a new tab.
 
@JonasTeuwen This one's quite cool: chat.stackexchange.com/…
 
@JM Firefox allows any click to open a new tab when the command-key is down (control on the PC?), or a new page with the shift-key.
 
5:10 PM
@Srivatsan So they save that. Interesting. I'll be remembered as...
 
@JonasTeuwen They save what?
I am so amazed how fast and efficient this site's interface is. Is it just me or others feel the same way as well?
 
@robjohn Neat!
 
/// Of course, I am not talking about the new profile pages.
 
@JM Don't know what browser you use or whether this will be of any use, but I use it all the time.
 
I'm on Firefox. :)
 
5:20 PM
This is a very nice question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/84986.
 
@JM well good then :-)
 
Man. That was a long day.
 
@Srivatsan Everything I've said.
What would be the plural (in Latin) of "Stradivarius"?
 
Stradivarii?
(I'd use "Stradivariuses" for English, of course. Or better yet: "violins".)
 
Are you sure? If it was masculine shouldn't it be Stradivari?
 
5:29 PM
Hm, lemme check again.
 
So it is Stradivari?
Since Stradivarii is the plural in English.
 
Last I checked, English inherits from Latin on these things. I don't have my grammar book with me, however...
 
English simplifies the Latin rules if I recall correctly.
That's why I ask. It surely is Stradivarii in English :-).
 
Wikipedia sez: Nouns ending in -ius and -ium have a genitive singular in -ī in earlier Latin, which was regularized to -iī in the later language. ... There is no contraction of -iī(s) in plural forms.
 
Thanks Henning!
 
5:43 PM
That's if "Stradivarius" is second declension. If it were fourth, it would have to be "Stradivariūs" in plural.
 
Is it of fourth or of second declension?
 
@JM Does this integral strike you as familiar? math.stackexchange.com/q/84998/13425 =) I am remembering something like this, but I might be thinking about something else..
 
I'm not sure "-ius" nominatives can even be fourth declension.
 
@Srivatsan I dimly recall an integral like that. No, not the arithmetic-geometric mean, since that one is a reciprocal square root and not a logarithm...
 
@JM Oh, I may have mumbled some nonsense at the end. =)
 
5:51 PM
@JonasTeuwen If it is a standard latin word, it would be "Stradivaria".
 
Yes, reciprocal square root makes sense. Thanks.
 
Of course even some forth declension nouns such as "virus" seem to take "-ii" plurals in actual English usage.
 
Ugh, I hate that "virii" thing. It's a mass noun, not a count noun...
(at least in the original Latin)
 
virii is a genitive not a plural
oh, is it fourth?
sorry
 
@robjohn Wouldn't that require the singular to be "Stradivarium"?
 
5:54 PM
@Srivatsan I'm gonna have to get back to you on that. My eyes are getting droopy.
In short: see you guys later!
 
@JM Ok, cool J.M. I was only double checking because all the things I tried in my head failed on this integral.
 
@HenningMakholm oos, you're right.
 
It may not have a simple form after all. Or who knows, perhaps differentiation under integral sign might help?
:)
Bye @J.M.
 
So. What is it now? :-).
 
I think we're all agreeing on "Stradivarii".
 
5:59 PM
Okay. Thanks.
 
Of course all that is in the nominative case. Are you sure that's what you want?
 
No, I think not. More something like: There are many <...>.
 
Oh, nominative is good for that.
 
Okay, what type of sentence would change how the plural looks?
 
If you write it in Dutch instead of English then it might change.
 
6:05 PM
It's in Latin.
 
Romani ite domum??
 
Something such as "I'm giving you some Strativariuses" (accusative, Stradivarios) or "They are playing on Stradivariuses" (ablative, Stradivariis).
 
Or, of course, Romanes eunt domus!
 
Right, so what would be the Latin plural there then?
 
6:15 PM
Hello! Help me please, where can i read about duality between points in R^n and hypersurface's bundles, passing through a common point? Which branch of mathematics works with it?
 
QED
sounds like projective geometry
 
i think in projective geometry there are bundles of hyperplanes...
 
6:31 PM
@JM That integral can be evaluated, it seems.... Let's hope I didn't make some mistake somewhere.
And the answer is coming out to be (a^2+b^2)/2 and not ab.
 
Nice product integral approach. Wish I was here earlier to try it.
lol, "I'll edit later to justify this step." How many times I've wanted to write that and then I forget about it..
 
7:09 PM
Whenever I try to open a pdf doc, it opens a "Save File" dialog box instead of opening up in-browser. I'm on Chromium on a GNOME
 
about:plugins and enable the built-in plugin?
 
I don't see any Adobe plugins, and the only one disabled is NaCl (native client, dunno what that is)
Well, I dl'd an extension to auto-open pdfs in gdocs previewer, that's fine with me.
bah, still doesn't work with sribtex
 
7:38 PM
eh, well, everything works in ff. oh well
 
7:49 PM
Ello. Let's see what I've missed in the meantime...
 
8:08 PM
@anon There is no adobe plugin. It is called "Chrome PDF Viewer".
 
@JonasTeuwen Do you speak Japanese?
 
No. Why do you ask this?
I can hardly speak any language.
 
Hai = Yes in Japanese : )
Your English seems fine.
 
@Jonas: I figured that out eventually, yes. Still doesn't have it.
 
@Matt Oh.
 
8:21 PM
But hopefully this revision is right.
 
9:08 PM
C'mon guys, if the question is above your heads just give the OP a break...
 
Profile page at meta has still the old look. Enjoy it while you can...
 
9:25 PM
Hmm... This whisky smells like synthetic apples.
 
Thanks for making my philosophy class bearable today!
 
@tb Am I mistaken or is this Ali guy asking quite trivial questions?
 
Well, asking if this is homework is fine with me, but everything else is a bit unnecessary.
 
@tb I liked this exchange:
"So what a neighborhood of a function f∈C(K) would be like?" "Typically a ball [...]" =)
 
9:40 PM
@Srivatsan Don't worry, you're not alone :)
 
QED
it is a simple probability question buried under lots and lots of words
 
That's some relief.
I have a feeling the OP is right by the way. His house-mate's solution looks too simple. =)
 
QED
I'm suprised Max Muller asks such a question
I imagined he was more confident in his judgements
 
- could be that probability is a new area to him.
Won't the TeX in this site render proper quotation marks? See e.g., math.stackexchange.com/q/84642/13425. I tried `` '', but that doesn't work as expected (looks quite ugly).
And he's just a freshman. =)
Um, should I use freshperson instead to be p.c.? =)
 
QED
no
that quote mark thing is frustrating, the mathjax people should probably be informed
 
9:51 PM
@Srivatsan try \unicode{x201c;}{=}\unicode{x201d;}
 
(Was just a joke. I won't be surprised that many years later, the answer to that changes from no to yes.)
Thanks @tb.
 
@Srivatsan Even nicer would have been \mathrel{\unicode{x201c;}{=}\unicode{x201d;}} (then you don't need the \ for adjusting the spacing)
If one may speak of niceness when it comes to kludges...
@Srivatsan: sorry, please make that ... into a \cdots :)
 
@tb In the land of the blind... =)
 
Good night folks!
 
Done. You have a careful eye.
'Night, Matt.
Noticed while editing: is this Z supposed to \mathbb Z? math.stackexchange.com/questions/85043/…
 
10:03 PM
@Srivatsan In the last paragraph? No.
 
Is it a general space Z? Z wasn't quantified/defined earlier.
 
Well, the map Z -> Z/G is assumed to be a Galois covering, so you'd want Z to be connected and semi-locally simply connected or whatever your favorite name for that property is...
 
Sorry to ask this again in here but since today have more people, i want to share this question with you, and this eluding me the most recently: is there any way to find the number of real root including the multiplicity of the roots without knowing the actual root and by hand? for example, a cubic polynomial can have value of roots 2,2,3 and the number of the roots is 3
it is higher degree polynomial
 
Hey guys
 
@Kb100 Hi
What's up?
 
QED
10:08 PM
hello
 
@kb100 - i would like to know you if you are a girl. But hi anyway
 
I have a question about field extensions.
(not a girl, sorry)
 
just joking
 
@Victor Please don't ask these sort of questions on the chat.
 
Is [E(x):E]=\infty?
 
QED
10:09 PM
yes
 
@AsafKaragila - just wonder why can't ask here and do you people have any hint
 
I have this homework problem that asks me to prove that if E < K <= E(x), then [E(x):K] is finite.
But that just seems false.
 
@Victor Because it is rude.
 
@AsafKaragila I think Victor didn't get that you were speaking about the girl question.
 
sorry
 
10:17 PM
Maybe we should issue a rule: No questions before you have your B.Sc.
 
@AsafKaragila - i think that is racist because i already have 20 points
 
@Victor Racist? I don't think that it has to do with one's race at all.
 
QED
Just reject the question on the basis that it's wrong
 
Furthermore, I meant the chat - not the main site.
 
@qed - what's wrong with my question?
 
QED
10:20 PM
reject the "homework problem" I mean
 
@Victor Not everything is about you, for crying out loud. I am the center of this chatroom, not you or anybody else.
 
QED
haha
 
Anyway why are we chating for twenty minute for nothing about math?
 
For the same reason we do anything else. It's fun!
 
@Victor Not that Asaf would have a problem with being racist. =)
 
10:26 PM
@Srivatsan I don't hate or judge people based on their race...
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QED
I think discussion sucks
 
@AsafKaragila - How does doing fun things help anybody?
 
@Asaf Ok, sorry. I take that back.
 
QED
@Victor are these questions you have been asking yourself, and not been able to answer?
 
Nevermind about my question, I figured it out, it is true.
 
10:27 PM
I don't know, I just enjoy fun things. They make life easier to live.
 
I was just not using all the hypotheses
 
@qed - of course, i rather not to ask here if i know the answer already
 
@Srivatsan It's fine. I'm sure there is a god amongst the thousands of gods you worship which can amend your sin ;-)
 
@AsafKaragila - How does religious thing relate to mathmatics?
 
I give up.
I am going to sleep.
Before you ask, Victor, sleep helps mathematics because it allows the brain to rest and process some problems you were considering during the day.
 
10:32 PM
@AsafKaragila - are you chose to be dead or god before you rest?
 
QED
apparently, nobody really knows what sleep does
why we have to sleep
 
Back to the topic, what is the uncertainty of the math you really want to get the answer?
 
QED
what
 
Just wondering what will you do for the thesis of your college
 
QED
I am not in college
are you?
 
10:36 PM
no, in high school, are you graduate already?
 
QED
yes
so what mathematics do you like?
 
Phd or master? i just want to challenge myself with math but since mathmatician could not really directly get the job, so i like science more than math
 
QED
oh science, like physics or, what exactly?
 
chemistry, because it is much easier than physics and in the future, from my assumption,people would rely on chem more.
 
QED
I found chemistry a lot harder but that's just me :)
it's certainly a great topic though
 
10:42 PM
Actually i think all science is chem, becuase who can explain gravity without the "attraction force"?
nuclear phsics is almost like chemistry also...
 
QED
yes
 
@Victor So you think gravity arises from chemistry? Interesting...
 
@Srivatsan - who can distingush the difference between electric force in a atom from the gravity? they are orbit around the massive one
ex.elctron orbit around the atom
 
QED
You are thinking about the quantum mechanical picture of the atom I guess
 
@qed - i am uncertain about why they put quantum mechanic into physic, that make chemist upset also they learn less thing than before
actually, may anyone back to my question on the time 17:08?
 
QED
10:49 PM
@Victor, it's an important step to explain various physical phenomena that didn't have a good model before - there is a gap between the QM model the atom and the statistical outcomes lots of them working together produce in chemistry though.. because such difficult systems of equations would have to be solved
 
@qed -wow, how could possibly be wrong thing on use?
 
QED
what
 
@Victor Whether we call it physics or chemistry, you will work on that topic/problem if you are interested. Should the label matter?
 
@Srivatsan - i am not sure but it is interesting to know that the author of this math book: books.google.com/… is a chemist
 
@Victor Don't know how that is relevant. In fact, it only seems to reinforce my point.
Anyway, I got to run now for dinner.
Bye, all.
 
10:57 PM
Would a math professor use this to teach the student? it seems wrong to me
@qed - you say there was a gap between them, isn't by logic one of them must be wrong?
 
QED
no
 
@qed - how come?
 
QED
you can probably get from A to B, but it's a very big distance and nobody has done it
 
@qed - but people want to know how big is the universe
 
QED
yes
 
11:01 PM
So could it be physics or chemistry?
i think astronomer has to study for them both
 
@Srivatsan: I added a verification of the integral in your answer.
 
May somebody answer my question on the time 17:08?
 
17:08?
you mean this one?
 
yes
 
That shows up as 14:08 for me.
 
11:08 PM
maybe we are in different time zone
@anon - welcome back
 
for a bit
I'm glad joriki skimmed through one of the papers cited in my bounty question and came to the same conclusion I did.
 
@anon - actually what degree are you and what does you major in, you said you are not even a college student
 
@Victor Take a look at Sturm's Theorem.
You have to remove the repeated roots by dividing by the gcd of P and P'
 
@Victor: I don't have a degree/major?
 
Sturm counts the roots for P/gcd(P,P')
 
11:12 PM
@robjohn - that may have nothing to do with question becauese a root with multiplicity of two only count once in the total number
 
Then you can repeat the process for gcd(P,P') etc for repeated roots.
 
How, is there a good example?
 
@Victor Nope, you can get those, too... Let me explain:
consider x^3-3x+2
gcd(x^3-3x+2,3x^2-3)=x-1
(x^3-3x+2)/(x-1)=x^2+x-2
Since x^2+x-2 is guaranteed not to have repeated roots, we can apply Sturm which tells us that x^2+x-2 has two real roots (or one positive and one negative, Sturm tells you in any range you want).
Now, we turn to x-1, which contains all the repeated roots of x^3-3x+2
doing the same yields 1 (positive) real root.
Thus, x^3-3x+2 has one repeated real positive root of order 2 and one negative real root of order 1.
 
QED
the proof that this works is: (PHH,(PHH)') = (PHH,P'HH + P(HH)') = (PHH,(P'H+2PH')H) = H(PH,P'H + 2PH')
 
@qed - what is p and h represent @robjohn - thanks, i will look it up!
 
QED
11:21 PM
polynomials
 
@robjohn silly question: Why doesn't the upper integral boundary change when you pass from (2) -> (3) by substituting y -> y/2?
 
@qed - why there are two h?
 
QED
repeated factor
 
@tb I cheated there a little bit, the integral gets a factor of 1/2 and the range goes from 0 to 4pi, but the integral is the same from 0 to 2pi and 2pi to 4pi so I took the 1/2 to remove 2pi to 4pi
 
@qed - what does the parathesis represent?
 
11:24 PM
@robjohn Ah, right. Thanks!
 
QED
gcd(PHH,(PHH)') = gcd(PHH,P'HH + P(HH)') = gcd(PHH,(P'H+2PH')H) = H gcd(PH,P'H + 2PH')
 
@qed @robjohn - thanks a lot
 
@Victor you're very welcome.
@tb: I have added a comment explaining that to my post.
 
QED
That's terrifying
Thanks for pointing it out, I'm going to bookmark it
 
11:37 PM
@robjohn thanks, it's a bit of a d'uh effect... I'm working under too little sleep, lately, I really should have seen that...
 
If someone is trying to follow step by step, that might be a stumbling point, so it is best to explain it. Thanks for bringing it up :-)
 
Too little sleep sucks.
 
@JonasTeuwen Don't tell me about it...
 
Luckily The Gods have brought us whisky to ease the pain!
 
looks like that new zelda game came out already, man
 
11:41 PM
Well actually research has shown that alcohol magnifies emotions.
 
QED
interesting
 
But I prefer to ignore that.
 
alcohol magnifies emotions? I don't feel like that holds true at all for me - just the opposite
 
Sure not for all. I'll try to find it again. But first! Aberlour!
 
Hello fellow mathematicians! :P
 
11:44 PM
I am a mathematician? Cool! :-).
 
...I wanted to say "delegates" there... :P
 
QED
hi
 
Anyway, I'm looking at this geeky mathy watch, and it's like one of those clocks that has math formulas instead of numbers. I've actually seen these particular formulas before. However, I don't know the syntax behind two of them.
$21_{4}$ and $B'_{L}$.
There's also 0x08 which somehow stands for 11.
 
LaTeX doesn't work in chat.
Sadly.
Anyway, yeah, kinda like that, but the formulas are exact.
 
11:49 PM
well... there's a fix but quite inconvenient. (put it into the codecogs window, copy the img url, then put the url into the upload>file window here in chat and it will upload the image to imgur and get posted here)
 
@JonasTeuwen Alcohol reduces inhibitions and judgment. This may explain the apparent increase of the display of emotion.
@anon Asaf took the pinned URL for codecogs.com out of the comments. :-(
 
The upload... button does not respond on me :-).
 
@ElendiaStarman We were just talking about the B'_L on the chat recently.
 
@robjohn Oh :-). I never drink enough to experience that effect.
 
@JonasTeuwen It's nice to get verification of your status ;-)
 
11:54 PM
@robjohn Oh really? I must search for it then.
 
Since this chat seems to store messages to eternity I want to point out that I'm not an alcoholic. I merely like the taste and smell! ;).
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What? I hate the taste and smell. The point of alcohol is the alcohol.
 
Well...
 
Nov 17 at 16:51, by t.b.
@robjohn There was also this watch-question
 
I remember when my first time was a slight sip of vodka. I spit it out everywhere and accused the host of trying to prank me by putting bug spray in a glass. (it was actually vodka though..)
 
11:57 PM
@ElendiaStarman look there :-)
 
@tb Thanks! :-).
 
@ElendiaStarman Are you sure that isn't a 0x0B?
 

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