The Bridge

Nick T

00:03

Powerlord

00:29

Grr, SourceMod's scripting is so annoying sometimes.

sjohnston

@Mana That is an amazing likeness of me.

Powerlord

I can compare a Handle to see if it's != INVALID_HANDLE but not != another_Handle. THAT gives you invalid expression, assumed zero

Powerlord

00:49

and the above was actually caused by me having too many close parentheses, but of course, the error doesn't actually tell you that.

Lazers

01:09

0

Q: Title formatting inconsistency

There's a little inconsistency between title text formatting on the question page and on the edit page. On the edit page it has the square-ish videogame-esque font. Question page: Edit page:

sjohnston

02:06

Hmm. Initial analysis indicates Guild Wars economy is ripe for abuse.

all it takes is a spreadsheet and a few minutes of daily price tracking

GnomeSlice

02:56

Nick T

Wings going to Game 7, woot

Feeds

03:21

0

Q: XMoto. Sound increasing and decreasing randomly in XMoto for Ubuntu 11.04

Hi, I have installed the wonderful XMoto game in my Ubuntu 11.04 (2.6.38-8-generic) and when I start the game my sound control became crazy. The sounds decreases and increases randomly. If I close the game this strange behavior still continues. Well, I think this isn't a problem with Ubuntu, Gn...

games sound-problem

Feeds

03:37

1

Q: My stack exchange flair is down.

My stack exchange flair is down. Its only the combined one, individual ones are still working. I checked Jeff's at codinghorror and his is down as well. Its been like this for a couple hours. Thought I would bring it to someones attention.

support status-completed flair

Lazers

03:49

0

Q: How do I beat the last 2 test your might in Mortal Kombat?

I've been beating the test your might from the challenge tower with no problems up till the last two. The technique I used is to tap all 4 buttons with my thumb and first 3 fingers. Once the meter overshoots the mark, I hit the bumper button. This technique is not working so well on the last 2...

mortal-kombat-9

0

Q: What is a good Facebook game?

I would like to know what are some good facebook games that don't have energy and that aren't by zynga or playfish. Maybe a 2d platformer or multiplayer.

multiplayer online-multiplayer facebook

user30

Not sure if it's worth going to sleep now, got to get up in an hour and a half anyway.

Lazers

0

Q: The FAQ lists questions awkwardly.

Essentially, the FAQ is listing questions that we should not be asking on this site in the What kind of questions can I ask here? heading. Directly below that is the What kind of questions should I not ask here? heading. This is rather confusing. Shouldn't we list what questions not to ask in ...

discussion faq

Feeds

04:07

Raven Dreamer

@StrixVaria - let's not go back and start retroactively adding "game-rec" to old, answered, questions.

Lazers

0

Q: How can I run Myst in a window?

I can't stand running games full-screen if they aren't the same resolution as my main monitor, because it screws up all the windows I have on the other monitors. Myst is especially egregious because it looks like it's running in 640x480, which is significantly smaller than my monitor's native re...

myst

badp

06:43

@RavenDreamer Why not?

badp

07:22

Also

0

Q: Quake PC Game (Steam Ver.)

My inquiry is; is there a command\ prompt that can be used to play my installed Quake game via Win98, while my steam account has no internet connection (completely offline)? I had noticed I was able to startup a title from my steam games by rummaging through the directory files of my steam fold...

steam

Why do I feel like the correct answer here is "Since you bought the game, it's okay for you to torrent it now and play it anyway?" :/

Ragnar

07:41

@badp Piracy is never OK!

badp

@Ragnar Piracy? He owns the game.

Ragnar

@badp I know, I was just joking. Personally, I never buy a game unless I've played it before. Most times, this means downloading a pirated copy and trying out the single player, if it has one.

badp

I see nothing morally wrong here. I paid for the game. The game is supposed to run on my computer. Steam doesn't run on my computer any more though. I don't get to play, then?

Ragnar

Conversely, I've only ever bought multiplayer games.

badp

@Ragnar It's okay, I can see people arguing that with a straight face (mainly saying, "Yeah, but it's still illegal.")

Ragnar

07:42

@badp Speaking of which, isn't it possible to launch games from the common folder?

badp

@Ragnar Some games link with the Steam API.

If you try to launch them when Steam isn't running, they won't run, or assume they haven't been bought.

For example, Audiosurf runs in demo mode when Steam isn't running.

Ragnar

I know, but I thought the Quake games, in this particular case, were stand-alone that were just sold by Steam.

Like, there was no cloud involvement.

badp

Eh, Audiosurf barely uses Steamworks (I think only achievements)

Ragnar

Oh, well. It's still not the worst system.

badp

it is however part of Steam's DRM scheme

Ragnar

07:45

Worst system has to be the one implemented in TDU2. That game pisses me off to no end.

badp

"Hey Steam, does this guy own the game? Steeeaaamm, are you there? No? Okay, so this loser doesn't get to play."

Ragnar

In TDU2, you can't play offline/singleplayer unless you connect to their servers. Servers down? Tough!

What also pisses me off about it is that I payed 40Euros for it and now it's only 20. :-(

And the unpatched versions were really broken.

Oh, well.

badp

@Ragnar That's to be expected tbh

TF2 now goes for €7.

Portal was €0 for a week.

etc.

Ragnar

@badp And then it looks at the user, slides a gun on the table and says "Stop trying... It would be terrible if something were to happen to you. Like an accident..."

@badp I know, I got Portal during that week. That was cool.

badp

Indeed. Me too.

Ragnar

07:48

On the other hand, it still sucks that for Steam $=Euro.

The major excuse I've seen is that it includes VAT.

But that's not the only difference.

Most games tend to cost 16-17% for Europeans than for Americans.

They cost, like, 50% more for Australians.

badp

Australia does have poor internet, and annoying videogame laws

Then again, I live in a Steam Tier 2 country, so I can't really complain about their prices.

Ragnar

VAT isn't the only difference. Let me give you an example. $19,99 x 1.19 (VAT)/1.39 (current conversion rate) = €17.11 which makes the game 16% more expensive at the current price of €19.99. Even if the conversion rate was lower, it wouldn't be the same until the conversion gets to a low 1.19. Also note, the difference between USD and EUR is actually increasing.

And to show how unfair it is, the current conversion between GBP and EUR is 1.06, so the Euro prices should actually be almost the same as the GBP one. As the UK prices include VAT, it's sometimes even cheaper than the US ones.

badp

Sometimes the conversion rates used are not the current ones, but those at the time of the contract.

Ragnar

Besides, Norway doesn't have VAT for Digital Downloads.

badp

Bullshit? Probably. Still. Also, there's rounding to the next "nice" number.

Ragnar

07:51

Yet they still pay the same price as the rest of Europe.

@badp They can round all they want, as long as I don't end up paying more than I should for a game.

badp

@Ragnar The obvious solution is to wait for the next deals, when games are dirt cheap :)

Ragnar

Well, sure, they're deals for Steam. But even so, sometimes the deals cost more than on other DD sites.

amazon.com

Has digital download for TDU2 at 16$

Steam has digital download, with sale deal, at 20Euros.

Is this justice? Is this the American way?! :-P

badp

lol, justice.

Apple's 30% vig for eBooks just killed the iFlow Reader app... https://www.iflowreader.com/Closing.aspx

Tweeted by hackernewsbot on May 11, 2011 at 1:42 AM

Ragnar

I've never heard of iFlow.

I use a Kindle.

badp

Hah! I don't have an iPod, or an iPad, or an iPhone, or an Android phone, or a Kindle, or a tablet, or an handheld console, or a console.

Ragnar

07:56

I trust Apple only as far as I can throw 'em.

badp

And my laptop's video card is a fucking nVidia 9200 M that is only good at heating. (← exaggeration, but not much)

Why am I even here...

@Mana That is the best.

Ragnar

@badp Is there no way to upgrade your video card? Taking it to your service provider or something.

Feeds

08:14

9

Q: What happened to the ability to dismiss flags while looking at the flagged post?

I see that new buttons got rolled out in the moderator flags view on Programmers (and elsewhere?) today. I love them. They're pretty cool. However, I often look at the question before really deciding what to do about it. Sometimes I check the comments or answers before making the final decision ...

support status-completed moderator-tools new-features

badp

08:24

@Ragnar Last time I serviced my laptop (!) to replace the keyboard (!!!) they wiped the HDD clean (!!!!!) and reinstalled the stock copy of Windows Vista on it (!!!!!!!!) without clearing up their "diagnostic account" (!!!!!!!!!!)

In short, no, there's no official way.

Ragnar

Wow.

Is it still in warranty?

If not, you could do it yourself... Buy a new GPU and install it, I mean.

Personally, I'm a fan of ATI, I would recommend getting, like, a 5850M

But that's just me, no need to go spreadin' it around.

On the other hand, I've yet to find an online store that stocks up on mobility hardware...

amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/mobility-radeon-5000/…

badp

08:44

@Ragnar Nevermind the horrible Linux support of AMD cards, I don't think one can just swap video cards in and out. Does that thing even fit in this case? :/

I mean, nVidia native stuff sucks too, but the Nouveau unofficial FOSS drivers have just reached enough maturity to be used normally.

Actually I find it hard to imagine worse support for Linux than what nVidia brings to the table, but it's apparently entirely possible.

Ragnar

Well, Linux support sucks all 'round.

I have a ProBook 4520s with Ubuntu 10.04

Took me a couple of days until I could get my network card to work.

Took me a couple of weeks until I could get the wireless to work.

And it's still dodgy.

badp

08:58

@Ragnar Depends, really. It's fabulous for some stuff, shoddy on other.

Some network cards do have trouble on Linux, yeah

this laptop pretty much works out of the box in Ubuntu; only have to take care manually of the 3D card.

under Windows 7... not so much.

Luckily networking did just work.

Ragnar

That sucks.

Hey, do you know any selenium/webdriver?

(pro'lly not the best place to ask, but I need some help...)

badp

@Ragnar Hm, not really. I'm not even sure I know what you're talking about. But, there's jQuery. It's perfect and does all things.

Ragnar

It's OK, I'll ask on SO. :-)

Ragnar

09:24

Ah, found it after google-ing.

I couldn't resolve driver.get();

But I already had it resolved.

WebDriver driver = determineDriver();

That fix'd it.

badp

Ooooh, WebGL?

You must be up to no good.

No wait, that's not JS.

Ragnar

Selenium 2/WebDriver

I'm writing java tests and running them as JUnit

The site uses WebDriver and smartgwt.

Which pisses me off, 'cause I know jack about programming.

Oh, well, it's a learning experience.

Also, it pays good. :-P

I got hired as a Java Automated tester with virtually no Java experience.

badp

ohhhh. Java.

Ragnar

And no automated testing experience either.

I was a blackbox test for 3 years before I landed this job.

badp

Blackbox test?

Ragnar

09:30

Which, to be fair, all my "experience" did next to nothing to prepare me for white box testing.

Black Box tester is the tester that, um, tests the GUI.

Not the code.

badp

Speaking of GUI... goes check if he can make more suggestions on Steam Translation

Ragnar

Test the GUI and functionality, but do it manually.

Now, I'm testing the code itself, in addition to testing the GUI and functionality by writing automated tests in Java.

I really like this job, but, hell, it can be difficult sometimes.

Oh, well.

badp

It appears not. Oh well.

@Ragnar Sounds good.

Damn you Steam. I thought all I needed was 5 mod approved suggestions to have more than 5 at any one time. Instead I need 5 applied suggestions

It doesn't help that I want to revise half of the strings I read. :P

Lazers

10:24

0

Q: Taking out Turrets in Call of Duty Black Ops?

Hello, What are the ways to take out turrets in Call of Duty black ops? I know these work: Rocket Launcher Knife I assume ammo, if you live long enough? Grenades probably, maybe a couple tacticals? Thanks.

wii call-of-duty-black-ops call-of-duty

Yi Jiang

10:36

@ThomasMcDonald Well, mostly correct except I don't see how a shift in demand would lead to a decrease in consumer surplus. Producer surplus would increase, but that should not lead to a change in consumer surplus unless price elasticity of demand changes

Correct myself there, but I think consumer surplus would increase

badp

11:32

@YiJiang I think prices will rise, because that's what they do.

This is much more important than any other law of economics.

Yi Jiang

@badp Erhm... yes they will, according to the law of demands

badp

Out of curiosity, when you have the YER can you still cloak normally with the menu?

or can you only cloak via stabs?

user30

12:08

@YiJiang :|

user30

I see producer surplus increasing, but I also see consumer surplus decreasing. meh, I think I got it right as I need to know for this course...

user30

Wait, let me sketch a graph.

Yi Jiang

@ThomasMcDonald I did that, and I thought it was pretty clear

user30

@badp You can only disguise from a stab. Invisibility cloak functions as per usual.

user30

Yeah, they would both increase... my bad, not sure where I got c.s. decreasing from. :/

Yi Jiang

12:14

docs.google.com/drawings/d/… Crude, but it works

user30

yeah, if it's a straight shift in demand then the 'area' of consumer surplus will of course increase - the base & height of the triangle it creates increases

user30

The main reason I'm retaking this module is the fact I picked the wrong data response question - there were questions on buffer stock schemes or public goods (particularly flood defense schemes).

user30

It turned out the evaluation part of the public good question was a right pig.

Lazers

1

Q: Is it possible to jump longer in Limbo?

I've just started to play Limbo, and I wonder if there is a key combination to jump longer rather than the usual jump with a single key stroke.

xbox-360 limbo jumping

badp

14:30

↓

Lazers

0

Q: Does Steam work through Tor or a VPN?

I talked to Steam Support about Steam Offline. I have been told: You can set up your Steam account to run in offline mode prior to connecting to your school's network […] you must allow Steam to complete necessary updates in order to enable Offline mode (you must establish a temporary ...

steam offline

Mana

14:57

↑

Lazers

15:25

0

Q: What exactly does the spread mean for a Gatling tower?

I understand that it means that the bullets have a spread, so not all of them will hit their intended target. I've seen tables which list a value for the "spread", but I don't know what exactly that value means in mathematical terms. Is there a way to determine how many bullets will hit? How doe...

simulation sanctum

Lazers

15:37

0

Q: Accessing DLC in Fallout 3 Game of the Year Edition (PC)

I'm having trouble accessing the DLC in Fallout 3 Game of the Year Edition on PC. I completed the game and then installed the DLC from disc 2. I then re-inserted Disc 1 and loaded all of the files for the "Data Files" option in the launcher window. How do I access my DLC? when I load my most rec...

pc fallout-3

Lazers

15:58

0

Q: Does this song resemble a song from the Monkey Island soundtrack?

Yesterday I was listening to a local reggae band and one of their songs made me think of the Monkey Island game. I quite sure that one the MI themes starts exactly the same as this song. I've searched through the Mix'n'Mojo soundtracks collection but I couldn't find that song. Does it resembles...

monkey-island

0

Q: Can I have 2 XBOX Live accounts from different countries on the same 360?

Hello, I live in Brazil and I have a XBOX 360. When I bought my 360, there was no Live in Brazil, so I signed up to XBOX Live US (lots of people do it here). I have two gold accounts, one is mine and one from my wife. Everything I buy (games, songs, DLC) is through pre-paid cards, and all under m...

xbox-360 xbox-live account-transfer

Grace Note

16:12

@Lazers Hrm... this really strikes me as... something off, but I'm missing the words to describe the exact reason. Anyone want to lend some eyes on it?

sjohnston

16:43

@GraceNote Perhaps because gaming is not really integral to the question. It is structurally identical to "Does this song resemble a song from Movie X?"

@GraceNote But we've done this song and dance before. The question usually boils down to "Is this interesting enough to gamers?" and does that counteract the fact that it's only tangentially related to gaming.

Seems we decided "no" in the case of gaming-related video recording: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1402/… but "yes" regarding gaming-related content delivery systems: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2125/…

More examples could probably be found

Wipqozn

17:03

@GraceNote @sjohnston It seems too subjective to me. I do like the question to some degree - but something about it just nags me. I really don't see how their can be a firm answer - more so since he is asking if it sounds like a MI song to "us". I don't know... I do like it, but... I think it belongs in the chat, not as a question - I really just don't see how their can be an answer to that.

Feeds

17:20

Stack Overflow Blog: SE Podcast #04

Posted by Alex Miller on May 11th, 2011

This week, the Stack Exchange podcast travels to England, where Jeff and Joel are joined by Stack Overflow legend Jon Skeet (and son!) along with Marc Gravell.

Jon needs your help! If he is chosen to speak at DevDays 2011, what do you want to hear him speak about? Enter your suggestions in the comments to this post. Sadly, Jon was having so much fun with the podcast that he forgot to put dinner in the oven halfway through the taping – hence we are left with this picture of the three sitting on their laptops, waiting for dinner to cook while accompanied by a papier-mâché dragon left over from a recent birthday party for Jon’s children. …

sjohnston

@Wipqozn I guess I read it as "is part of this song identical to a Monkey Island song," which I think can be answered definitively by someone with a good ear (not me!). As it's written now, it's asking for opinions, which I agree is another mark against it.

badp

@Wipqozn I think there's quite some level of objectivity involved -- see this question no one really raised an eyebrow about:

2

Q: What is this sound from?

Listen All I know is, it comes from a game made in 1986.

identify-this-game music

also:

1

Q: Where does the Illusion World song from Chocobo Racing come from?

I'm sure I've heard this song before, even though I haven't seen much Final Fantasy gameplay (since I've never owned a console I've never had any of those games). Where does it come from? (Bonus point for a Youtube link.)

identify-this-game final-fantasy chocobo-racing

/cc @GraceNote - although I agree that the question could do with a rewrite

Nick T

@GraceNote so would a stack of quick links be better then, so people could mad-lib whatever close comment they want?

Do you disagree that a comment like

> Heya Purplegoth! I'm afraid questions asking for game recommendations are inappropriate on this site as per the FAQ, so there is a good chance your question's days are numbered.

are worthless?

Feeds

2

Q: No button to create a new room in chat?

Please see the screenshot below, I do not see the button or link to create a room anywhere... http://i.imgur.com/cKGqN.png

bug status-completed reputation chat privileges

Nick T

@badp why was the above posted? what feed? it seems pointless in this chat...

badp

17:34

@NickT [status-completed]

Nick T

that useful or just for the hell of it

badp

It was a network-wide bug, it's been fixed

Arda Xi

@NickT The latter.

Powerlord

17:59

@NickT Definitely the latter.

Yay going to work after class... and immediately being told I have some paperwork I need to fill out.

Of course, I'll take as long as I possibly can to do it, since I don't have to work on the neverending project while I'm doing it.

Oh, and apparently it's true that Microsoft is buying Skype.

I can just imagine Judge Balmer: "I bought Skype in order to dismantle it." and going on some speech about information superhighways and stuff.

Arda Xi

They were clogging the tubes!

Wipqozn

@badp Your examples are asking a definite question. That said, you may be correct - it could just be in need of a rewrite.

Nick T

@Powerlord The main reason they did is because they can jam the Skype brand/features into tons of existing MS products, like the Xbox, Xbox/Kinect, Windows Mobile, Windows...

Arda Xi

Especially Office.

Nick T

@Powerlord read/listen to this article Microsoft buys Skype for $8.5 billion,by Steve Henn, Marketplace, Tuesday, May 10, 2011

Wipqozn

18:04

@ArdaXi damn straight. Need skype integrated into my MS Office.

Powerlord

@NickT Yes, but apparently most of the features Skype has already exist in those products.

Arda Xi

@Wipqozn It's planned.

Powerlord

As for Office, I suggest you google office communicator

My bad, it's called Lync now.

Nick T

I've used it, but that's a fairly niche, business thing

badp

@NickT Feel free to suggest meta feeds more relevant to us; thing is, there's been a request for a feed from MSO and I agree with it

Nick T

18:06

I can easily see putting Skype on the Xbox with the Kinect, etc

Arda Xi

@NickT Also planned I believe.

Powerlord

@badp Who requested a feed from MSO?

Wipqozn

@ArdaXi Really? I don't see the point of that >.>

Arda Xi

@Wipqozn Neither do I.

Nick T

In any case, I don't see this as a cause for alarm, and I doubt they'll kill it like some other, more evil companies...

Powerlord

18:07

@NickT How dare you insult Apple and Sony like that. >:/

Nick T

Lala (website)

Lala was an online music store created by Silicon Valley entrepreneur Bill Nguyen. The service allowed members to legally create online shareable "playlists" (formerly known as "radio stations") of their own uploaded music which could play full length songs for other registered Lala members, purchase MP3s, stream music on a one-time basis or as inexpensively purchased "web songs," buy new CDs from the Lala store, leave blurbs on other members' pages, and participate in the community forums. Lala contracted with major labels and offered a large catalog of albums to stream or purchase. Their...

Apple can go eat a cuttlefish

badp

Nov 16 '10 at 14:40, by sjohnston

It irritates me that most of the decision-making and discussion threads about how to do things for all SE 2.0 sites take place on the SO meta. Why should I have to build up SO meta rep to discuss things that are going to affect gaming.SE?

Arda Xi

Nguyen? Where have I heard that before?

@badp That has nothing to do with the feed. It's about rep.

Powerlord

So, if I complain about not being able to discuss bacon on gaming.SE, will you add a feed to cooking?

badp

@Powerlord Perhaps.

Wipqozn

18:09

@NickT Nor do I - to some degree, at least. I wouldn't be surprised of MS starts adding fees to it or some none-sense. As in fees just to use it at all.

Arda Xi

@badp You know, it irritates me that all the questions about computers are being asked at Super User. Why should I have to build up SU rep to ask/answer things that affect gaming?

badp

@ArdaXi Game-related questions from Super User are already relayed here. I'm glad you agree it's a good choice.

Also, you can post to Super User anonymously (unlike on MSO)

Powerlord

I'm not sure how having the questions relayed here addresses the problem of needing rep there (MSO) to discuss them.

Arda Xi

@badp No, no, questions that affect gaming. Not questions about gaming.

Nick T

anyone use notepad++? I can't find the reflow text option in the new version

badp

18:10

@Powerlord I can see the reason for us to put an eye on videogame questions not asked here.

Wipqozn

@NickT Anyone who doesn't use Notepad++ is a bad person

Arda Xi

@badp We were talking about the MSO feed.

Powerlord

@badp status-completed isn't doing that...

Arda Xi

If you care about SE, you join an SE chatroom.

badp

@ArdaXi I also can see the reason for us to put an eye on MSO questions that affect our site.

Arda Xi

18:11

@badp If you care about them, you should join /that/ chatroom.

Those questions aren't relayed to our meta either, are they?

Or made public in any other form to the other 99% of our userbase that doesn't use chat?

badp

This is the chatroom for Gaming.SE; I care about Gaming.SE; those questions change Gaming.SE.

Arda Xi

@badp This is the chatroom for Gaming.SE; we care about Gaming.SE; those questions are posted on MSO. For a reason. If we were to inherently care about them, they would be posted on our meta.

Powerlord

Speaking of which

Bacon

Yes, yes they did.

badp

@ArdaXi Questions about the Gaming.SE engine are off-topic for our meta.

Arda Xi

@badp EXACTLY

Powerlord

18:13

in Bacon, 46 secs ago, by Wipqozn

I must say, I have a strong dislike of bacon.

badp

...and also relevant to Gaming.SE

Arda Xi

That is exactly my point.

@badp Then they're not off-topic.

Powerlord

You guys need to come to Bacon to help me lay a smackdown on @Wipqozn. ;)

Arda Xi

They're either on-topic (relevant) or off-topic (irrelevant).

badp

This room isn't meta.gaming.SE

This room isn't Gaming.SE

Arda Xi

18:14

@badp It's meta.meta.gaming.SE

badp

[citation-needed]

This room is what it is and what we make of it.

Nick T

in Bacon, 39 secs ago, by Nick T

BACON CAM

Arda Xi

@badp Go look on MSO yourself. Jeff called it the third place. Repeatedly.

sjohnston

As the innocent instigator of this contentious issue, I find it a little amazing how much vitriol is expended on something that plops a bare handful of notices in chat on any given day.

badp

Which doesn't mean "meta.meta"

Arda Xi

18:15

@badp Gaming.SE is first, meta.gaming.SE is second.

badp

@sjohnston A couple users just like to argue against me

The weight of their arguing is adjusted to their volume obviously

Nick T

@badp I argue with @GraceNote, it's more of a challenge

Arda Xi

@badp Oh right. It's not like you can make mistakes or anything. People just like to argue with you. Convenient.

sjohnston

for example, I've never once complained about Bacon, despite it being unrelated to gaming. And I'm pretty sure there are a lot more posts about bacon than MSO in a day

Arda Xi

Anyway, since that seems what you're stuck on believing, it's pointless to argue with you.

badp

18:17

@ArdaXi Oh, so your arguing suddenly isn't pointless?

Powerlord

@sjohnston That's just because I keep mentioning bacon, I'm sure.

badp

I have a solution to make everybody happy, just wait a second

Arda Xi

@badp No. I've jokingly claimed such, but I do honestly start arguing for actual reasons.

Lazers

0

Q: Towers on Lord of Ultima

My city is out of the protection week. I do not have a castle built yet. I was wondering how I should build my towers? What mix makes sense?

lord-of-ultima

Powerlord

Heck, we have more conversations about programming in here every day than we do about MSO.

sjohnston

18:17

@Powerlord I don't think you're the only bacon-lover around here :)

Powerlord

@sjohnston No, but it's my long, tired, overused, running gag. ;)

sjohnston

@Powerlord And I don't think it's a huge deal to talk about random topics in here, so long as it doesn't become something that's going to alienate people

2

badp

+1,000,000

Powerlord

@badp Deploying solution in 3...2...1...?

Wipqozn

@Powerlord Maybe he got lost.

badp

18:19

@Powerlord It'll take longer than that

Arda Xi

@Powerlord Hmm, can I incinerate the Wheatley-replica that's attached to @badp?

Powerlord

@sjohnston: Oh, I encountered something interesting last night. Remember how you were commenting on long function/variable names yesterday? SourcePawn (the SourceMod scripting engine) maxes them at 30 characters.

Wipqozn

@Powerlord ugh, I hate that. If your function name is too long - chances are your function is does too much and should be broken up into multiple functions.

Arda Xi

Someone flagged @Wipqozn's dislike of bacon.

Wipqozn

@ArdaXi @MatthewRead

Matthew Read

18:21

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Arda Xi

@Wipqozn Well, it depends. If you need a comment above or below your method declaration to explain what it does, long names all the way.

@MatthewRead If you flag someone successfully, they get suspended from chat for half an hour.

Powerlord

Which, since I had something like g_Cvar_RunoffVoteWarningSound meant I had to shorten it. It made sense at the time, as it was named in the same style as previous ones.

Grace Note

Or an hour, sometimes.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Possibly based on the amount of votes?

Matthew Read

@ArdaXi So lets's hope the flag reviewers use their noggins :P

Grace Note

18:22

Don't actually know what determines whether it's a half hour or an hour, but last time it happened to @LessPop, he got an hour.

Arda Xi

@MatthewRead Since apparently the flaggers don't. ;-)

sjohnston

@Powerlord A hard limit built into the compiler seems a little extreme

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Might be cumulative as well.

badp

@Wipqozn ...that's GENIUS!

Matthew Read

@ArdaXi Haha, touché

Grace Note

18:23

@Matthew Every time we trust that, we end up with someone suspended. I'm... kinda keen on avoiding having people suspended from here.

badp

You could turn CreCountForJobLastCreIdForJobScheduledGroupRequestExecutionUpdaterHandler in CreCountForJobLastCreIdForJobScheduled(GroupRequestExecutionUpdaterHand(ler()))

Matthew Read

@GraceNote OK, no more joke flags from me

Powerlord

Well, in this case, it was a variable to a handle (external data source)

Arda Xi

I'd prefer AddPaintedHatToSpy over AddHat /* this function takes a spy and gives it a painted hat */, to give an example.

(Actual examples would be slightly longer)

Fabian

@MatthewRead The flags are shown to all 10k+ users on the whole chat network, without any context. This has lead to some misunderstandings in the past

Powerlord

18:26

Oh yeah, not that anyone here cares, but Mapchooser Extended 1.5 and its sound module are essentially complete. I just have to package them up for transport and test a few last things in the sound module.

Also, kicks Valve for not supporting 48kHz sounds in Source, but including 4 with TF2

Wipqozn

@ArdaXi I agree with your example - but it should be both concise and convey what the function does. If your function name length needs to be excessive in order to do that, chances are your function is doing too much.

sjohnston

@Powerlord Excited to be done?

Powerlord

@sjohnston Kinda/sorta.

Arda Xi

@Wipqozn True, I mean, by all means separate your methods. Just don't just truncate the names.

Wipqozn

@ArdaXi I'm not saying you should truncate the name - but that you should separate your methods, which in turn would truncate the name.

Arda Xi

18:29

@Wipqozn Right. We're on the same page then. (Hm, I don't say that often.)

Powerlord

OK, class. Open your books to page 232.

Grace Note

If I could star from this interface, I would've done so.

Wipqozn

@ArdaXi Oh goodie. I can leave on a good note then - but before I leave (for home), just wanted to say... Welcome back @Arda-Xi

Arda Xi

@Wipqozn Oh, come on.

Powerlord

Speaking of Stars in Gaming, everyone needs to go get TF2's Star of the Show achievement to get the Director's Taunt. :)

Arda Xi

18:31

@Powerlord Well, sure, that's one way to get it.

Powerlord

@ArdaXi It's not that hard to get... save a replay and hit every button in the interface.

I mean, literally every one (every other players camera view included)

Arda Xi

Oh, right. I got that one legit.

I was thinking of the hat.

Powerlord

The hat's the one that takes 1000 Youtube views.

I'm not sure if that's across all videos or just one.

Arda Xi

@Powerlord Right. But, more importantly (and disgustingly) it takes QuickTime.

Powerlord

Here's to hoping Valve fixes the "replay" bot taking a server slot today.

Whoops, meeting to go to. Be back in 30m or less.

Arda Xi

18:34

@Powerlord I thought that one was status-bydesign.

badp

@GraceNote You've found a place you can't star from?

Grace Note

@badp I can still star from the transcript if I bothered. I just can't star from the mobile UI.

badp

@GraceNote Oh. Good point

Powerlord

Meeting got delayed 30m.

@ArdaXi Nope, and Valve has stated (both on SPUF and the Dedicated Server mailing list) that they're looking into it.

Here's hoping they fix the maxplayers SourceTV bug in the Steam Server window while they're at it.

SourceTV on a server? Steam count will be 0/25 players empty, 24/25 full. TF2 count will be 0/24 empty, 24/24 full.

And heaven forbid you try to fix it with sv_maxvisibleplayers 24... Steam count will be 0/24 empty, 24/24 full. TF2 count will be 0/23 empty, 23/23 full.

Bacon

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