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16:00
@kalina yeppers! I can't even ragequit properly :(
it's difficult to gain enough momentum to escape gravity
props on following me to fitness though guys, shows real class
I actually have an account on fitness, from ages ago, and didn't follow you
Still though, it shows more class than posting obscenities in an internet chatroom and reposting the same comment over and over again even when mods are removing it
Though, not by much
meh, I reached a tipping point
Excuses are still excuses at the end of the day
16:02
there's moderation, and then there is just overt elitism
agreed
There was only one moderator action taken against you, and that was removing your unneeded comment from the game-id question
@ArqaderuinsSE I still say, if you want to discuss it constructively, feel free to ask about it on Meta.
and that, in both instances, was prompted by user flags
thought you had me ignored? ;) Either way, it wont get anywhere dude
But there's lots of history as to why we don't allow those types of questions, and it looks like the basic problem was you misunderstanding the question.
16:03
@fbueckert you guys have a horde of followers that will just downvote the proposition
Posting it on meta is the correct way to go about dealing with the issues
Downvotes on meta do not prevent you from voicing your opinion
@ArqaderuinsSE I'd encourage you to read the history behind it.
They simply mean that they disagree with what you're saying
There's lots there.
And if you want to allow them, you have to address the reasons why we made it off-topic in the first place.
the guy had a screen. he had some (not much) research. What is the harm in letting people try to answer his question
16:04
And why we should allow them.
The screen wasn't of the game he was asking about
@ArqaderuinsSE The harm is that it's off-topic.
@ArqaderuinsSE when I first thought about quitting, I held this same view as you, and my question stating my issues actually ended up getting up voted
"The harm is that it's off-topic"
16:05
@ArqaderuinsSE The issue was basically split 50/50 forever.
you don't want to think
54 secs ago, by fbueckert
And if you want to allow them, you have to address the reasons why we made it off-topic in the first place.
@ArqaderuinsSE The screenshot was not of the game he was asking about, I already had this same discussion with the people who voted to close it
@ArqaderuinsSE There's massive history behind it. It's been hashed out ad-nauseum.
At some point, everyone involved has said everything they can about it.
@ArqaderuinsSE The problem is that there's no one correct answer. We try to keep a hard question and answer format, and when a question has answers whose 'correctness' is a matter of opinion, that doesn't really fit
16:06
Arguing against identify-this-game questions is largely a waste of time, literally months of peoples' lives have already been put into coming to the conclusion we're at currently, including months of testing
But after we made them officially off-topic, those that wanted them let it go, and let them be off-topic.
I strongly suggest you peruse the identify-this-game tag on meta for the numerous discussions that have already been had on this topic
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@BenBrocka I will give you a star, since most people in here have used up all of their stars today :P
Site policies can be changed, but it helps not to approach that from the "y'all are dumb automatons" perspective. That usually doesn't put folks on your side.
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Saying it's "just overt elitism" is ignoring about 2 full years of debate engaging dozens of site members
16:08
@BenBrocka And most likely the reason behind the backlash.
Anyways, I am sincerely out. I've always had a problem with authority, and you guys just trigger-happy close anything that doesn't fit your precious FAQ, leaving no room for debate/change/ etc
and dont tell em to go talk about it on the meta
becuase it's just the same people that close the quesitons in the first place
that go to eta
Coming in and insulting members isn't the way to get anything done
@ArqaderuinsSE Well, bye then, enjoy whatever you do next
@ArqaderuinsSE Rather than figure out why it's the way it is, calling it elitism is your own kneejerk reaction.
@ArqaderuinsSE You mean the people that care and are active members of the site in question?
16:09
@Marco Why do you think it should be allowed? It will almost certainly elicit discussion, which is Not Constructive, and it will almost always be Too Localized as well
@ArqaderuinsSE Even if people close things that are off-topic, doesn't mean they think they have to be off-topic forever.
God forbid they have anything to do with the way the site works
Guys, just leave it, he's said he's not interested in doing the stackexchange thing and hashing it out on meta
Although most people kind of realize how impractical ITGs are here.
@Sconibulus because someone might be able to answer the question
and that benefits everyone
but whatever
it doesnt fit your faq
16:10
you're right, it doesn't
@ArqaderuinsSE That's the point, though, in this sort of question there is no answer, there are only opinions
@MarcoLeblanc This attitude is much more constructive than your original one. Kudos for being able to rein in the temper.
because the OP came back and said "Ah yes, you are right, thats the game"
I dont have temper problems dude
@ArqaderuinsSE But that would clutter up the site too, lowering the chances of other people finding questions that they could help with or be helped by.
16:11
@ArqaderuinsSE sputters
I'm not sure if anyone has linked you to this blog post before, but it might help, @ArqaderuinsSE:
Jeff Atwood on February 29, 2012

We’ve observed a particular pattern of questions emerging on several Stack Exchange sites.

All these questions are effectively guessing games.

I remember myself playing this a bit childish, but in some ways awesome game, where you control a tank, and can pick up and stack turrets (and maybe something else) from enemy tanks you kill. Maybe they also had different platforms (and if it’s one with wheels then technically it’s not a tank, but hey). It was around 2000 (or maybe even earlier) and the game had 3D graphics. …

So how did closing it hurt? At that point it's just removing clutter
@ArqaderuinsSE Seriously could've fooled me.
now now, don't antagonise him further
@fbueckert Oi, if we're moving on to constructive things, best not to turn things the other direction.
16:12
meh, he said he didn't understand why you guys are so upptiy about ITG
and he said he was new
@AnnaLear has the topic of conversation covered with a stackexchange blog post
I gave him my opinion as to why
@ArqaderuinsSE And there's a reason why we have a FAQ.
@ArqaderuinsSE Third party people can't vote reasonably though if it's entirely up to the OP who may or may not come back.
It's suited to a forum much better than it is here.
@Ullallulloo acutally
* thats right
and I enjoy forums more
16:13
We're not against ITGs.
sooo yeah, it was fun ya'll, i suppose
We're just against them here because it doesn't play to the site's strong suits.
StackExchange isn't a forum, and the Q&A way of doing things doesn't support discussions very well
@YiJiang'sEvilClone good luck in the military
@kalina you were alright too
@most others, too quick on the "close quesiton" gun
just my opinion, but you guys lost someone becuae of it
cheers
@ArqaderuinsSE I've written a wall of text about how being quick on the close question button is a good thing.
16:15
you're not allowed to give me compliments, it causes obsessive compulsive immolation
The fundamental particle of SE: quesitons.
see
jumping on me cuz i made a typo
thats the attitude you want here
you can keep it
err... that was a joke
@ArqaderuinsSE That wasn't jumping on you, that particular typo just amused me
maybe you belong on Math
16:16
@Sconibulus hey, don't antagonise!
@kalina OCI is new to me. People just feel compelled to spontaneously combust?
Yeah, @Sconibulus, that was too much
I belong at work I'm supposed to have fixed our returnPage vulnerabilities ages ago
@GraceNote no I feel compelled to immolate them
16:16
I'm sorry...
@GraceNote The Human Torch was one.
@kalina Oh, it causes you to be compelled to spontaneously... cause combustion. On others.
yes!
did I use the wrong words?
@kalina Just a little ambiguous
16:18
being ambiguous is one of the things I do
Well, considering the original acronym, OC is used to describe the behavior, then by swapping the last word, it implies that the new word is what is being described. So it's unclear whether it means self-immolation or otherwise, it could go either way.
You could go both ways.
@kalina Like OrigamiRobot!
Is here a robot made out of paper? Is he a robot that folds paper? Is he both???
he's both
a paper folding robot made of paper
Is @origamirobot a form of gray goo?
It seems like he could duplicate himself until he ran out of paper
don't give him ideas!
this place will be swarming with robots in NO TIME AT ALL!
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ARGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
fortunately, they will be made of paper, so they will be effortless to set fire to
16:25
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user28015I got the problem in my game that GOD deletes a lot of factories which produce guns. So far I blame my defensive and peaceful gameplay as a trader and manufacturer. But atm I am on the hub plot and it involves a lot of producing and managing, so not much time for combat. Anyway, I bought 2 Borea...

Huh, I watched an entire episode of MLP and he still hasn't finished saying his goodbyes?
@YiJiang'sEvilClone No, I think he's gone
Well, time to watch Twilight go crazy
@BenBrocka oh, so that's not a party hat, it's her hair
@badp yes, it's hair
16:29
hometime \o/
looks like the accounts are deleted, shiny
aww, I lost 25 rep
@Sconibulus I lost a whole 10 rep.
I got a rock
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I lost nothing.
Who doesn't upvote me? :(
Batticane
16:40
@BenBrocka Gotham?
@Sconibulus You're lucky nobody flagged you for that, because I would've
@badp Then if Math saw it, I suspect many more flags would exist everywhere.
is there a time limit on flags?
not that I'm looking for one, that jsut seems like a weird thing to say
@Sconibulus no, they persist until they're handled
@Ullallulloo I don't upvote you
I don't downvote you either, so don't get any ideas
16:51
@BenBrocka I meant on the ability to flag something
@Sconibulus Also no.
@BenBrocka Best. Item. Ever.
I'm back on Crawl, if anyone cares
@Sconibulus What? This isn't what I've been planning! WHO HAVE YOU BEEN TALKING TO?!?!?!
brb, ing @spugsley.
wooo
new season of mythbusters
17:04
@fbueckert I didn't lose anything!
...are we supposed to be touting this stuff btw? (@GraceNote)
@Sconibulus There is in chat I think, at some point they disabled the ability to flag really old messages
@MadScientist ooooooh. I never tried.
@badp It was a sockpuppet! I knew it!
@fbueckert What? No! ABORT ABORT ABORT
@badp ?
17:06
@GraceNote Publishing the amount of reputation lost or gained to user deletion, which is pretty much the same as making somebody's voting public. (See also that thing we talked about a while ago.)
at least in the form of "I lost X rep" "I lost Y rep"
@badp Even anonymous users have access to this information.
@GraceNote So do they to that other thing.
Saying from whose deletion the source is, that would be wrong.
I lost no rep
I lost all my rep :(
17:08
good
@GraceNote Well, it's kinda obvious that we're talking right now about Marco. He even announced his leaving and everything
@kalina You should really eat some skittles :(
Yes, I'm aware.
WHAT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARCO? I DIDN'T KNOW THIS!
MODS LEAKING CONFIDENTIAL INFO! ZOMG
go back to sleep
17:09
@kalina I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SANBOOB!
OMG
@fbueckert I can't not read SandBoob.
@OrigamiRobot I just double-checked to make sure I had it right.
And I do.
I'd say that persisting the conversation doesn't really do us any favors but on a technicality note it's still only public information that's being revealed.
So blame the user for that one.
17:12
@GraceNote I think it's just silly that votes are deleted to begin with. That's all
we should just stop talking about it now anyway tbh
@badp There's two schools of mind on this one.
The school of mind you're going by, well, I don't have to explain it. It's pretty wide-shared.
I'm going to wait until @OrigamiRobot has 19990 rep and then get my account deleted so he's back at 15000
@kalina That'd be the height of trolling.
@kalina You say that like you've upvoted me that much.
17:13
@OrigamiRobot I have upvoted pretty much everything you've ever posted
Aww, you do love me! <3
The opposite school of mind is regards to the meaning of votes as an expression of the community. As being a part of the community is a requirement to be able to vote on others, leaving the community is a revocation of that privilege and your voice. In essence, it maintains the effect that the score of a post reflects what people in the community think.
no, I play the long game
I've been waiting for you to get near 20k so I can upset you
I can't hear you over all the love.
I lost 0 rep!
17:14
@OrigamiRobot It's fake love, it's just loving a mask. A mask made of yucky "candy".
@GraceNote Don't forget sour skittles!
some people on here would literally lose 1k rep if I had my account deleted
@GraceNote I'm not even speaking to you anymore.
@GraceNote Someone clearly needs to watch more ponies!
@fbueckert Did you just call sour skittles yucky? cc @kalina @OrigamiRobot
17:16
@GraceNote So instead of "users weaponize this side effect, using it as a veiled threat or vengeance of some sort" it's really actually "if you don't want us, we don't want your reps!"
@Coronus yes, that actually happened
@Coronus Technically, I'm calling all skittles yucky.
Smarties all the way.
@badp In a sort, yes.
All you heathens' sour skittle hate just makes our bond stronger.
@fbueckert you disgust me
17:17
@fbueckert I did, too, just I didn't have to specify the latter.
@kalina Yay, status quo!
@GraceNote He's talking about Canadian Smarties.
watches as kalina sets fire to Smarties
@OrigamiRobot The latter as in sour skittles.
Which, to my knowledge, are just M&Ms.
17:18
sets fire to @fbueckert
smarties are clearly superior
@badp and the French make better pasta
@kalina OMG STEREOTYPES BAN!!!
ABUSE
17:20
Dammit. Now I want to go buy a giant bag of Peanut Butter M&M's.
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When I am old, I want a Sour Skittles IV drip.
Three pounds sounds about right.
@fbueckert wait what
@fbueckert Best M&Ms flavor!
@badp What do you mean "wait what"
I wasn't even aware M&M had flavors to begin with
other than "colors"
17:21
M&M's (named after the surnames of Forrest Mars, Sr., & Bruce Murrie of Hershey's) are "colorful button-shaped candies" produced by Mars, Incorporated. The candy shells, each of which has the letter "m" printed in lower case on one side, surround a variety of fillings, including milk chocolate, dark chocolate, crisped rice, mint chocolate, peanuts, almonds, orange chocolate, coconut, pretzel, wild cherry, cinnamon, raspberry, and peanut butter. M&M's originated in the United States in 1941, and are now sold in as many as 100 countries. They are produced in different colors, some of whic...
@badp Fillings.
@Coronus wait what.
@badp Normal is chocolate, then you have ones that have peanuts in them, then you have ones that have peanut butter instead of chocolate, then you have ones with the crispies in them, and anything past that is seasonal or changing.
@GraceNote Don't they also have the dark chocolate? Or is that still an option?
@GraceNote I only know about "standard" M&M (or Smarties)
17:23
I remember when blue M&Ms first came out.
I guess they're chocolate indeed
@OrigamiRobot RIP Tan M&Ms
Anyway, the current M&Ms flavors (as far as I can tell) are: Chocolate (brown bag), Peanut (yellow bag), Peanut Butter (orange bag), Almond (purple bag?), Coconut (white bag), Mint (green bag), and Pretzel (blue bag).
@OrigamiRobot Oh man. Thinking back, I remember actually being excited about this.
@Coronus Those were the best.
17:24
Oh yeah, forgot there are Dark Chocolate. They've also retired some flavors, such as "Crispy M&Ms"
@Powerlord I thought crispy was still around here and there.
@GraceNote Well, I know they're not available around here any more.
Oh, forgot Mint in my list.
@GraceNote "They were discontinued in the United States in 2005. They are still available in Europe, Australia, and Southeast Asia."
Huh. I thought I had some in college, but... I guess not.
You'd think Wikipedia would have a list of which flavors are currently made rather than making us dig through the history section
17:27
I guess a trip to the Bulk Barn is in order after I get home from work.
Derp, the packaging for Coconut and Almond look too similar.
One is white, the other is a very light beige.
In other news, Microsoft is looking to buy Nook... which Barnes and Nobles split into its own company last year.
17:47
...Microsoft wants Android manpower?
17:58
Carry the black torch! Raise the idle dead!
@SaintWacko Idle? I ain't idle!
Nor dead, for that matter.
Is it normal to want to buy a game just to saw "screw you" to a "gaming journalist"?
user15026
@benbrocka it has gotten me to buy a few things. What game?
I forget. Some XSeed crap they were concerned about releasing in the west
user15026
@fbueckert now I really want to go to bulk barn! Although my inability to move is likely a good thing in this case so I don't spend too much money
18:03
@AshleyNunn I know.
We should be a billion years past the point where stuff isn't localized (unless it was a complete and utter failure on initial release or whatever)
Stupid impulses.
@BenBrocka Well, there's also fun IP licensing issues.
user15026
@benbrocka agreed.
@BenBrocka Senran Kagura?
Starship Damrey in less than a week!
18:13
I've just noticed there is a SE Minecraft server... I don't play the game but it's a nice idea!
@Alenanno It actually exists, its not just an Idea :)
Though as soon as we got it we stopped doing our gaming events for some reason...
No, I meant, nice idea of making it. :P
I knew it existed. :D
@Alenanno Oh, All the blame goes to @RonanForman :D
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18:30
Hey there @RoryAlsop
Changed avatar?
@Alenanno yeah - just for fun. We were messing with QR codes.
Going to change it back - don't like this one :-)
:P
What's the red dot in the middle?
user20683
@AshleyNunn
user20683
This is every possible kind of awesome.
user20683
18:34
all of them
user15026
@WorldEngineer It does sound pretty amazing
@Alenanno if you click on it to see my profile page with it embiggened, you will see. Then use your phone to look at the QR code and follow it :-)
@RoryAlsop It's a trap!
@Alenanno nah, but it does use Flash - as I have not yet learned enough html 5
user15026
18:40
@WorldEngineer I also want the Darth Vader and Son/Vader's Little Princess book
user20683
@AshleyNunn they are funny
user15026
@WorldEngineer They look amazing
user15026
@Powerlord Neeeeeeergh I knoooooow
@Powerlord She didn't even watch all of FLCL...
user15026
18:42
Once my body cooperates and I can search my house properly I shall and if that does not pan out then as soon as my OSAP comes in I will likely rebuy it
user15026
@OrigamiRobot shush you
@OrigamiRobot She owned 999 and her ex took it or it's missing or something
@AshleyNunn Until then, you can play Pandora's Tower!
user15026
@Powerlord Yeah, not entirely sure what happened there :( either way it sucks
user15026
@fbueckert OMG that game is awesome
18:43
@AshleyNunn Told you!
user15026
@fbueckert Although running out of time is a painful emotional experience
@AshleyNunn Yes, it is.
It's supposed to be.
The first time I found her in the basement, I felt so bad.
user15026
@fbueckert I was SO upset
@AshleyNunn And that's how to craft a good emotional experience.
user15026
@fbueckert It was awful
18:45
@AshleyNunn So lesson learned? Never stay away from her that long again.
user15026
@fbueckert Never ever ever
Huh, while it's not being sold directly by Amazon, Radiant Historia is a title that they're fulfilling (meaning Amazon has it in their warehouse) for another company.
and it's like $33 instead of $80 like it was the last time I checked.
@AshleyNunn I'd be excited if they make a sequel.
Temptation to buy growing...
@Powerlord Well worth that price.
user15026
18:47
@fbueckert That would be awesome. Not that I am anywhere near finishing this one, lacking much sit-up-able play time
@AshleyNunn How many towers in are you?
@fbueckert I was hoping they'd reprint it so it'd come back down to $20
Since I missed it when it was that price. :(
user15026
@fbueckert Working on the second. Like I said, going very slowly
user20683
Spock vs Spock
18:48
@AshleyNunn The basement scene is balanced by some very heartwarming moments as you play.
You are able to craft some gifts for her, and she loves them.
I think I'll wait until Pandora's Tower comes down in price.
@Powerlord It may not, depending on the production run.
@fbueckert True.
Oh, speaking of which, did you guys here hear that Atlus USA and XSEED are merging?
user15026
@WorldEngineer Thati s awesome
user15026
@fbueckert I gave her flower seeds, she got pretty excited, and I felt like the best person ever
user15026
18:52
@Powerlord Interesting.
The new name is apparently Marvelous USA
@AshleyNunn Wait until you give her a bracelet or ring.
user15026
@fbueckert Oh man. I suspect it will be an awesome moment
@AshleyNunn One question: does she have a British accent in the voice acting?
XSEED gained major props from me for localizing this game. If you want a game that tugs at your heart, play it.
user15026
@fbueckert Her speech is accented, but I can't decide how
18:56
@AshleyNunn If they kept the European voice acting, it was extremely well done.
Aeron's kinda quiet, though.

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