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14:00
@SaintWacko That's true.
@OrigamiRobot What do you speak? Come on, name the language.
@fredley Robot.
@SaintWacko Waistcoats?
@OrigamiRobot NARL
@fredley English. As opposed to British English
@fredley Waistcoat = Vest
14:00
@fredley Jackets
@OrigamiRobot No.
Not sure if good or weird...
@SaintWacko I am in England, I am English. How more English can I possibly be?
Bacon Ice Cream
I have never in my life used the word waistcoat
14:01
@Michel Not found
@SaintWacko I have used it many a time
Also, ELEVATOR
@fredley You are English, your language is British English
@SaintWacko You speak American English.
inb4 lift
14:02
@Michel No.
AFF
@OrigamiRobot LIFT
@fredley APARTMENT
@OrigamiRobot FLAT
14:02
CONDO
@fredley and now?
TALLYWACKERS
@fredley TRASH CAN
@OrigamiRobot RUBBISH BIN
I'm out of words to disagree on.
14:04
@OrigamiRobot sec
Also, I do like rubbish.
@fredley ROUND FILE
@OrigamiRobot TIL 'Cookie Sheet' is a thing
@OrigamiRobot Oh, I've got a good one. CHIPS
@fredley Well of course it is, what else would you put cookies on?
@fredley Like the thing you bake cookies on?
@fredley FRIES
14:05
CHIPS
@fredley FRIES
@SaintWacko You make biscuits on a Baking Tray
Actually, let's not fight over potatoes
Cookie Sheet, what a ridiculous term
14:05
Potatoes are too good to fight over
CRISPS
@fredley CHIPS
CRISPS
@fredley POTATOES
That's really all that is needed
@SaintWacko troll
14:07
@fredley It's clearly a cricket ballytangler amirite? Those sods won't know what bally well chumed their cricket bats
blimey
@SaintWacko Don't you dare suggest anything we might agree on
All I need to hear is that something is potatoes and I will want it
@BenBrocka Can't tell if English or Farce...
@fredley FRONT LAWN
@OrigamiRobot FRONT GARDEN
ROUNDABOUT
14:08
@fredley island
@fredley FIRST FLOOR
@kalina srsly? You're supposed to be on my team?
@OrigamiRobot ALLOTMENT
@fredley What's wrong with roundabout?
@fredley RAISED BED GARDEN
14:09
@fredley I am on your team, but roundabout sounds so purile
@fredley TRAFFIC CIRCLE
@kalina You have an odd mind
@SaintWacko NO NO NO NO NO
I see no conflict between roundabout and traffic circle.
Actually, I don't care either way on that one
@SaintWacko On my college campus some buildings had ground floors and some had first floors. It was the worst
14:11
@kalina Aww, you're no fun
I don't even know what you're going for here.
@BenBrocka FWP
@BenBrocka Well sometimes it makes sense if there are two levels that exit to ground... Other times, however...
@OrigamiRobot MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Ground floor = First floor
14:11
@Unionhawk Ground and Lower Ground
@fredley I say manual. Anyone who says "standard" is an idiot.
@OrigamiRobot Floors, like all good things, are indexed at 0
@fredley First and ground.
@BenBrocka I first discovered the difference in Runescape, when I was told to look on the first floor of a building for a clue scroll. Took me forever to figure out they meant the second
@OrigamiRobot stick?
14:12
@fredley Basement is 0
@Unionhawk No. That way madness lies.
@fredley That's fine. "Straight drive" is also fine.
@SaintWacko Nope. Cellar is -1.
@SaintWacko That's mean
@OrigamiRobot No it isn't
14:12
@SaintWacko Yes. I had a quest guide that insisted on the british "First floor" that confused the hell out of me.
@BenBrocka Well, Jagex is a british company
@fredley Fine as in I don't get mad when people say it. I say manual.
I've never heard straight drive
Just manual and stick
@SaintWacko Probably a Southern thing.
@SaintWacko YOU CAN'T EVEN AGREE ON YOUR OWN LANGUAGE, YOU LOSE
14:14
@fredley GAS
@OrigamiRobot PETROL
LIQUID
6 mins ago, by kalina
@fredley island
Gas is one of the four fundamental states of matter (the others being solid, liquid, and plasma). A pure gas may be made up of individual atoms (e.g. a noble gas or atomic gas like neon), elemental molecules made from one type of atom (e.g. oxygen), or compound molecules made from a variety of atoms (e.g. carbon dioxide). A gas mixture would contain a variety of pure gases much like the air. What distinguishes a gas from liquids and solids is the vast separation of the individual gas particles. This separation usually makes a colorless gas invisible to the human observer. The interac...
@SaintWacko @kalina is disqualified for daring to disagree with me
14:15
1 min ago, by fredley
@SaintWacko YOU CAN'T EVEN AGREE ON YOUR OWN LANGUAGE, YOU LOSE
Though, wikipedia redirect says gasoline wins!
@OrigamiRobot Everybody loses :(
I win because I am a robot.
@fredley The only way to win is not to play.
@Unionhawk Petrol is actually a brand name, so gas does make more sense in this case
@SaintWacko :(
14:16
@fredley TIL Petrol is a brand, and not just another one of those british things.
@fbueckert Farmed some flags this weekend ... over 30 =P
@Unionhawk BP - British Petroleum
@Unionhawk See also: Hoover
@Michel Go play video games!
@fbueckert @Michel Yeah, get a life! :P
@fredley Hoover is a brand
@fredley Though, see also: Kleenex. So it is a british thing then...
14:18
@SaintWacko Quite, but we call vacuum cleaners hoovers.
a brand of vacuum
@Unionhawk We don't say Kleenex, we say tissue.
@fredley I call them vacuum cleaners
2
@kalina Stop being wrong about everything
3 mins ago, by fredley
@SaintWacko @kalina is disqualified for daring to disagree with me
14:19
How about them video games
4 mins ago, by fredley
@SaintWacko YOU CAN'T EVEN AGREE ON YOUR OWN LANGUAGE, YOU LOSE
@SaintWacko :(
@BenBrocka NO
what? they're called vacuum cleaners
you don't go around calling every computer on the planet an IBM, do you?
14:19
@kalina PC?
@OrigamiRobot cotton buds
pc, hahaha
@OrigamiRobot Cotton bud
cotton bud.
@OrigamiRobot Earwax Extraction Devices
14:20
Cotton bud? WTF
ear pokey thing.
@djsmiley2k cotton bud
Cotton swab
Why can't anyone accept anything being different here?
jesus.
:/
it's snowing!
(again)
14:20
ZOMG Y OU USE A DIFFERENT NAME
@fbueckert I farmed 4K IP on LOL, get 2 levels on rag2 and played a little of xcom. Besides, get a new manga to read, and watched 6 episodes of Fringe.
@djsmiley2k Don't start along that line
@djsmiley2k Eris.
@kalina is it properly snowing for you?
@djsmiley2k WHY*
14:20
no
Oh, it's stopped again here now.
well yes
@SaintWacko I was without money to go out T_T
but no
5 minutes ago it was a white out.
14:21
We had a very brief, very intense blizzard
it snows properly for about 10 minutes and then the sun comes out
(Brits distracted by weather)
@fredley same, sad times.
and then after 50 minutes it snows properly again for another 10 minutes, and then the sun comes out
@djsmiley2k For you maybe. I have to cycle home
@kalina Yeah, got sun now
But it's cold sun :(
14:21
@fredley I have to get the train `_¬
48F here (9C)
@OrigamiRobot 0
I wish we used SI :(
It's so much better
1c here.
sun is out!
14:23
@kalina yey
@kalina Hip hip hip hooray
Don't you guys call erasers, much to the amusement of Americans, rubbers?
@OrigamiRobot Yes
Also fags
@Michel Play Fire Emblem!
Given the tweets I've seen I'm pretty sure FE is just a dating sim
14:30
@fbueckert never played before, going to take a look
@fredley What an educational day it's been. And not even 11am.
@BenBrocka In a sense, it rather is kinda, although less for your own person and more for your army's relationships. Also you get to fight for each other a lot more literally than in your average dating sim.
@fbueckert I gave my Nintendo 3DS to my Godson. I don't have any nintendo platforms anymore =(
But I love that kind of game =)
Oh, oh, I know!
@OrigamiRobot 2.30!!
You are obviously wrong!
14:32
@fredley MM/DD/YY
@fredley 2:30
@OrigamiRobot Tell me, with a straight face, that that is the best way of representing dates.
Well, actually 9:30
@fredley It isn't. Neither is DD/MM/YY
@OrigamiRobot YYYY/MM/DD
@fredley So about 2:18
14:33
@kalina YYYY-MM-DD
@kalina That's fine too.
@kalina The best way is... Yeah, this
Because that makes it sort properly
Without needing any fancy date sorting
@OrigamiRobot 2.30 is a time of day. 2:30 is a timing, as in a race.
@fredley Nope
2:30 is time of day
and timing
14:34
@fredley 2.30 is a number with value 2 and 3 tenths.
Hmm. Is it just me, or nobody did a DwarfFortress-inspired Minecraft ore mod yet? Sounds like it would be easy enough to do ...
@fredley 0.30 hours is 18 minutes. Learn to math.
@fredley I prefer 0230.
Also, why the hell is 20130227 in the image above "discouraged"? It's a perfectly crumulent way of writing a date.
Also, commas are used to separate thousands.
@MartinSojka Your face is crumulent
14:38
Because it's not particularly human-recognizable as a date, and it does'nt play nice with most date functions either
Basically, I'll accept anything which looks like ^\d{4}(\D?)\d{2}\1\d{2}$ as a valid date.
@fredley BOOGER
"pile of boundryless numbers" is a bad way to store pretty much anything that isn't a single number
@OrigamiRobot SNOT
@BenBrocka s/numbers/digits/
@BenBrocka The "it's not particularly human-recognizable as a date" is not an issue when we know that particular string is supposed to be a date anyway.
14:41
@fredley Snot is also a thing separate from boogers.
@fredley The thing is, you don't know if they're distinct numbers or just digits.
@MartinSojka But what if we don't know?
Hey guys, lets have a reasonable debate about whether eMacs or Vim is a better text editor
@MartinSojka But nothing outputs dates like that anyway, except humans, if you tell them to. And asking humans to input a date like that is insanity
(hint, it's Vim)
14:41
@fredley nano
@GraceNote Then we put a "type:date" meta-data on the field (and optionally a corresponding label beside it).
@OrigamiRobot If you're going down that route, pico
@MartinSojka I see this kind of thing less often in electronica and more often on things, like, plastic gallon jugs.
@GraceNote I see it a lot as "best used before ..." dates and it's commonly just 8 numbers (sometimes just 6, omitting the century).
@fredley Notepad++
14:44
Which, being that I'm in the US, I can never really be sure whether 20130503 is May 3rd or March 5th, based on whether people are following cultural standards of Day->Month or intelligent standards of Month->Day.
Since, go figure, it's not consistent.
@GraceNote I'm a fan of 2013-05-03, I find the US format to be horrible confusing
@MadScientist As am I.
@MadScientist Yeah, that makes sense
@MartinSojka Oh, heavens, the early 2000s were hilarious with this. Who knows what 020403 corresponds to?
I'm trying to convert over to it
14:46
@GraceNote Call me a narrowminded eurocentric, but I do. ;)
And anyone else who thinks something else is wrong. ;)
dd-mm-yy or dd-mm-yyyy or yy-mm-dd or yyyy-mm-dd plz.
I always thought the US format was due to the range of possible values. 1-12/1-31/(This is where it gets confusing)
@MartinSojka On an American label?
13 mins ago, by Unionhawk
ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04.
@djsmiley2k yyyy-mm-dd only please, absolutely no 2 digit years
11-10-12
14:47
@OrigamiRobot It's more of a pattern of speech, we say "January 4th", so when we write dates we follow the same structure.
I think we can all agree that the US format is the stupid one, putting the month before the day just does not make any sense at all
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Still, I don't see where the sense of the month efore day came from
@GraceNote I know, that's just how my brain rationalized it when I was a kid.
@MadScientist You've just been given two possible reasons behind it...
@djsmiley2k ^
@SaintWacko I'm not convinced ;-)
14:48
@GraceNote I'll make sure to specify if I'm talking about °C, °F or K (and give more than one when expecting to deal with strange people), same for mph and km/h. I expect Americans to do the same with their strange date format as well (giving at least the ISO-8859-1 definition in addition to their own local).
@GraceNote We say "Drei-und-fuffzich", that doesn't mean we write 53 as "35" or "3&50". :)
I also thought "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." meant that doctors were scared and/or allergic to apples.
@MartinSojka You're lucky that you have a consistency to follow on. I'm not chiding you, just pointing out that over here, we're dumb enough to put something like 020403 without an agreed standard across the country.
1st January, or January the 1st
@djsmiley2k who even cares anymore?
@fredley The americans do appently :D
14:51
@MartinSojka K is best
Doesn't require a degree symbol
@MartinSojka Aye, you don't write it that way, because it would be dumb. Coincidentally, justified by such logic or not, Month/Day is still pretty dumb.
@MartinSojka Fahrenheit always confuses me, but that is something I don't encounter at all unless on the internet. But I can't find any good argument to prefer one arbitrary temperature scale over another, and most people seem to be rather confused by the Kelvin scale
@MadScientist Fahrenheit is the only imperial scale I actually prefer, mostly because it has larger numbers in the habitable range
But for consistency's sake I really wish we'd just pull off the bandaid and go 100% metric and ISO dates
@BenBrocka I like this aspect too, but I wish 0 was freezing.
@MadScientist I never understood Fahrenheit either. I only vaguely pay attention to it for setting my thermostat to 73 and outside of that and -40, it has absolutely no meaning to me. The scale is weird.
14:54
@SaintWacko The degree symbol is about half-em width at most (with the 1/6th-em space between it and the number in some style guides that makes it some 2/3th-em, or about 1 en extra space). Not much gained aside from one key stroke. Though I do remember I need to maintain about 37°C or 330K body temperature and can't ever remember what it's in °F ...
32 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot
I wish we used SI :(
@MartinSojka But it's two bytes of data, I believe
73 isn't even "warm" or "cold", it's "The temperature I usually set the thermostat to", and any other setting is just relative to that.
The problem in USA is that they don't use the international metric system.
@SaintWacko Two in UTF-8, yes.
14:55
@MartinSojka Many keyboards have no key for that
At least for me
I still don't know how many feet or yards are in a mile.
@OrigamiRobot "Three times as the other" and "around 2k" respectively.
@MartinSojka I might as well say "about a mile"
@OrigamiRobot Straight line or along a great circle?
14:58
Miles are the point where the measurement of distance using such units are worthless. It's easier to measure it in units of minutes and hours.
You know what I do know? There are 1000 meters in a kilometer. WE ALREADY USE BASE 10 WHY WOULD YOU INVENT IMPERIAL AAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
it came first>?
@MadScientist Hmmm, the only good reason I can think of is that with months before day 3/14 is a valid date and we can celebrate Pi day

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