The Bridge

user20683

18:00

@AshleyNunn here's dubstep to make up for it: zirconstudios.bandcamp.com/track/colossus

user15026

@fbueckert apparently I have to wait for an email from Tier 2

user15026

THIS IS PISSING ME OFF

user15026

@WorldEngineer This helps.

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Well, that's stupid.

badp

@BenBrocka Sent two pdf's. Checked Kindle. Nothing. Forced a sync. Nothing.

user15026

18:01

@fbueckert Yep.

fbueckert

Use the time to wait to increase your determination to not back down.

badp

Oh. I probably had to wait for the confirmation email first.

Ben Brocka

Weird, I remember there being a bit of setup involved to use it the first time (you have to authorize your email address IIRC) but I forget exactly what it was

user15026

@fbueckert Oh, I am so not backing down one bit

fbueckert

Ok. Three and a half hours spent working today.

Time to knock off and eat breakfast!

MBraedley

18:05

Damn you steam for making impulse purchases so easy

badp

@WorldEngineer That was surprisingly good.

LessPop_MoreFizz

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Artisanal

Proposed Q&A site for individuals that typically hand-process items that are typically done by an industrial process (i.e Jewelry, Bread, Clothing, Furniture)

Currently in definition.

user20683

@badp he's got a number of good tracks

fbueckert

KOTOR 2 for $2.50. Stupid disk 1! Don't need ya now!

Ullallulloo

@MBraedley De-link your credit card and bury it in a safe in a Norwegian forest.

badp

18:06

(and I said that at great personal risk of getting inundated by suggestions from Gnome)

John

@badp Me and @Ullallulloo have him distracted playing Conclave.

badp

@John Many thanks!

MBraedley

@Ullallulloo unfortunately, I practically have my credit card info memorized anyway

John

@badp You're welcome!

MBraedley

@fbueckert and KOTOR 1

Grace Note

18:08

@LessPop_MoreFizz The suggested duplicate confuses me.

GnomeSlice

@WorldEngineer Zircon is the best

John

@SaintWacko I think I figured out your problem. Were you trying to start another quest with the same character?

GnomeSlice

This sounds more like electro house to me though.

John

I get an error when I try that, too

Making a new character, however...

fbueckert

@MBraedley Own that one already.

user20683

18:09

@GnomeSlice I don't listen to tons of dubstep

user20683

it requires me to get out my spercial headphones

MBraedley

Still have 10 hours or so to decide if I want ME1&2 for PC

fbueckert

Technically, I own KOTOR 2, too, but I can't find my Disk 1.

user20683

*special

GnomeSlice

@WorldEngineer Get them. soundcloud.com/phetsta/said-and-done

John

18:10

Must resist the urge to start yet another Conclave party on impulse....

Ullallulloo

@John There's a limit of ten.

Characters, that is.

John

@Ullallulloo So I see.

I can make 8 more! :D

GnomeSlice

@John Want to make some vanguards and do really hard quests till we die?

John

@GnomeSlice Haha sure.

We can see what happens when you die in this game.

OrigamiRobot

@John Just a warning, it doesn't handle multiple windows/tabs well.

GnomeSlice

18:13

@John Actually... I can't right now.

I have to figure out how to deauthorize all of this shit.

John

@OrigamiRobot Well I have missing people in both of my parties, so..

Oooh my has this thing been sending me email every time my quest has been updated? >.<

OrigamiRobot

@John You have to uncheck that option.

MBraedley

Tomb Raider series for $15. Why do you want more money from me, Steam?

John

@OrigamiRobot Just did.

Got 5 emails already.

Ullallulloo

@John You also have to do it on every new character.

John

18:17

@Ullallulloo :(

SaintWacko

Well, the countdown on Ubuntu is just sitting at 0...

Was this around before?

badp

@SaintWacko bleh, it was a countdown countdown.

ubuntu.com/devices/phone

@SaintWacko yeah, it was

SaintWacko

@badp That too?

badp

@SaintWacko No, that one's new.

SaintWacko

Buuut it's not available yet

Bah

badp

18:24

so well I guess that there's Unity there. Kind of

If only that kind of stuff wasn't already around in the old, terribad Windows Phone 6 days.

SaintWacko

@badp That... actually looks pretty useful

Hmm, I'll have to try it out once it's available

Think it'll be be able to run android apps?

badp

Well, the Ubuntu desktop in docked Android phone can already communicate with basic Android services afaik

GnomeSlice

That was a stupid flag.

badp

so I guess there's at least some basic level of compatibility there. That said, I wouldn't expect it to be awesome

@GnomeSlice it was also not validated, so there's no need to get upset.

GnomeSlice

@badp I'm not upset. But it was silly.

badp

18:29

@SaintWacko The native way to build apps will be QML. I guess that's basically QT?

OrigamiRobot

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A: Are questions about Play TV considered on topic?

I am going to say Play TV is off-topic. The fact that a device is used on a video game console should not automatically make it on topic. From what I can tell, Play TV is about watching TV, not playing games. Defining a console as game specific hardware is starting to get tricky. Their primary...

Discussion?

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot I disagree.

OrigamiRobot

Why?

badp

@OrigamiRobot I think the strongest argument is, it's not the way we've defined the site in Area 51. IIRC

OrigamiRobot

@badp While the PS3 is gaming hardware, Play TV is not.

badp

18:35

...Play TV isn't something of its own. It's an add on for the PS3.

At any rate it's certainly rather borderline

OrigamiRobot

@badp That doesn't make is gaming hardware.

badp

@OrigamiRobot if all questions about PS3 are ontopic (and afaik they are) then questions about PS3 addons are ontopic

please feel free to sprinkle these hyphens in the previous line: ------

MBraedley

Let's consider some precident then. We already migrate most mouse and GPU questions to SU. But we don't migrate accessories that are more gaming specific like controllers. To me, Play TV seems to fit more in the latter. Unfortunately, it doesn't fit we'll with SU.

badp

@MBraedley halt! We treat computers and consoles differently.

Ullallulloo

@badp Because of SuperUser.

MBraedley

18:38

@badp yes, that is another thing to consider

badp

@Ullallulloo because we do, not because of anything else

I'm not sure it makes sense, but I'd rather we considered one problem at a time :P

We are the masters of our own topic - we just need to make sure we have the expertise to cover it adequately

OrigamiRobot

@badp Because of the way consoles are moving, that should no longer be the case.

> Instead of saying "it's only used by a gaming console, so it must be on-topic", let's just start by asking "is it about playing video games in any way?" If the answer is no, it's off-topic. If there is a Play TV question about playing games, it's fine.

Ullallulloo

Well, any person that would know about PlayTV would also be into gaming, right?

MBraedley

Are we going to say we're all things gaming console? If so, be prepared for any number of media centre questions to be asked

Ullallulloo

So it wouldn't require or attract an off-topic userbase.

badp

18:42

@MBraedley Wrong - we've been that so far and we've failed to drown in such questions

OrigamiRobot

Roku can play games. Should questions about setting up HuluPlus on Roku be on-topic?

MBraedley

@badp have we though? I'm sure we've closed or migrated Netflix and YouTube questions before.

badp

@OrigamiRobot Computers can play games and we don't welcome all questions about computers.

Sterno

Saw this on my drive from Wisconsin to Indiana on Monday:

OrigamiRobot

@badp Nope. We allow questions about games.

badp

18:45

Yeah, and the Roku also isn't a gaming console.

OrigamiRobot

Why?

murgatroid99

@MBraedley Most of the netflix questions on here are open

badp

because it isn't.

It just isn't.

OrigamiRobot

Why? It plays games.

Sterno

I also am certain my Christmas present was better than any of yours.

OrigamiRobot

18:46

If I asked about playing Angry Birds on Roku, would it be on topic?

badp

It is not a gaming console. Period. The iPhone isn't, the iPad isn't, the Nexus 7 isn't, the XBox is, the PS3 is, the Wii is, etc.

@OrigamiRobot Yes.

fbueckert

Isn't it about the primary use of the hardware/utility?

OrigamiRobot

@badp So why isn't a HuluPlus question?

badp

@OrigamiRobot because it isn't a gaming console.

OrigamiRobot

And?

badp

18:47

If it isn't about a gaming console it has to be about gaming.

It's not exceedingly complicated, man.

OrigamiRobot

So the fact that the PS3 is a gaming console makes everything it does on topic? Even if it has nothing to do with gaming?

badp

That's the way the site currently is, to my understanding.

OrigamiRobot

Am I the only one who sees a problem with that?

badp

I don't.

Have we been drowning in these questions in the past two years?

No, we haven't.

OrigamiRobot

Does it matter?

badp

18:48

Yes. There's no problem to fix.

Well, mostly.

I'm arguing that there's no need for us to chew off a small part of our topic since it's part of our "Area 51 contract" (afaik, not positive) and it has failed to create trouble

It's not our core expertise but there's no need to close those questions off topic tout court.

Ullallulloo

I think the main thing is whether or not people would buy it without having an interest in gaming.

OrigamiRobot

If someone came out with a coffee pot that connected with the PS3, would that be on-topic?

badp

I'd say that "Does the XBox 360 support Blu Ray playback?" is an on-topic question by any stretch.

Ullallulloo

@OrigamiRobot If they distributed it.

MBraedley

So just to be clear, I'm still on the fence (and really have been all along), but I wanted to offer some addition perspective.

OrigamiRobot

18:52

@Ullallulloo Does that not seem ridiculous to you?

badp

@OrigamiRobot have they distributed a coffee addon to a console in the last dozen years?

Let's worry about coffee addons when they do happen.

OrigamiRobot

@badp Play TV is happening now.

Play TV is not about gaming. Period.

badp

@OrigamiRobot Questions about what standards are and aren't supported would certainly be on topic, for example.

At least in my eyes - use your votes as you see fit.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Yes.

OrigamiRobot

1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot

@Ullallulloo Does that not seem ridiculous to you?

GnomeSlice

18:54

@OrigamiRobot Not really. If it's a game console periphery, gamers will likely be the most knowledgeable about it.

badp

I would assume that if somebody came to Arqade with a PlayTV question, it would be because PlayTV is doing something that other DVB things don't.

OrigamiRobot

Why does the fact that something connects to a console automatically make it about gaming?

badp

Who said it's about gaming? It's about gaming consoles.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Gamers will be the most likely to ask/answer about it, for starters.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Says who?

badp

18:55

Why would have questions about Steam? It's kind of a gaming console - by extension.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Common sense?

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice I have a PS3. I got a Play TV for my mom. She doesn't know anything about gaming.

Sterno

It's definitely iffy, because if you substitute "PS3" for "PC", you get a lot more stuff that can connect to it which has nothing to do with gaming.

badp

My question about how to block people for good from a group was almost closed - which means it wasn't.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot What's a Play TV?

badp

18:56

@Sterno except you can't because PC is not a gaming console and PS3 is

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice ... The topic of this conversation.

badp

Questions about the PS3 controller are on topic

fbueckert

Time to try the Restored Content mod for KOTOR 2

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot I thought we were still talking about the PS3 coffee pot.

badp

Questions about mice... apparently aren't (although that makes little sense and calls for topic expansion, not reduction)

Ullallulloo

18:57

@Sterno You might buy a PC for reasons other than gaming.

OrigamiRobot

@badp Because you can use it to play games. You can't use Play TV to play games.

Ullallulloo

Which I doubt anyone would do with a PS3.

Sterno

@badp The days of consoles being just for gaming are quickly disappearing

Can I ask about how to set up Netflix on my PS3?

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno This

GnomeSlice

@Sterno Yes, of course.

badp

18:57

@Sterno They are still the main selling point. People who just want a media center don't get a Playstation. They get a TiVo set top box or whatever.

murgatroid99

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Q: Trying to install Netflix app

I'm trying to install Netflix on my Playstation 3. I have been through the tutorial on the Netflix site without success. I'm going to "what's new" section and clicking on Netflix (using the X button) but nothing happens. Is there any way to install it offline? Copying it to an USB stick and inst...

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Sterno

@murgatroid99 Alright then!

fbueckert

Yay! Finally we get a bit less fuzzy link for the gaming/non-gaming line.

OrigamiRobot

@murgatroid99 VTC'd

GnomeSlice

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Q: How the heck does Steam's 'Downloads' page work, and how do I remove items From It?

Steam seems to arbitrarily keep things in the Downloads screen and have them show up later. Lately, most things that I have been downloading one or two days previously (why would anyone want to see recent downloads in progress, right?), and my Downloads page has a bunch of unfinished stuff I hav...

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badp

18:59

@OrigamiRobot You can vote it certainly but it shows that community consensus hasn't been with you

GnomeSlice

Two moar votes please.

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